Re: OT Enablement

2011-06-28 Thread William Robb

On 27/06/2011 11:54 PM, Brian Walters wrote:


Interestingly, that camera originally came to me with a Tokina 35-105
zoom which redefines the terms 'heavy' and 'bulky'.  It weighs in at
about 850 grams and, with it mounted, the camera/lens combination
certainly doesn't qualify for the 'small' tag.


I had one of those. It was the first zoom lens I ever bought, and the 
first zoom lens to turn me off to the entire concept of zoom lenses, and 
started a loathing for the things that I carry to this day.


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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Anthony Farr
On 28 June 2011 11:43, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

(snip)
  I assume you're a flickr members, so that's why the ads are 
 inconspicuous. They're not inconspicuous for non-members. The same is true of 
 photo.net for the most part. However, I think photo.net should avoid pop-ups 
 and stick with banners exclusively, although banners don't generate as many 
 hits as pop-ups, so most websites now employ pop-ups.
 Paul

Just what are non-members seeing on Flickr that members aren't?  Has
anybody ~really~ tested it or are they just guessing and assuming?

To test Paul's claim I walked over to my son's computer and viewed my
Flickr photostream.  My son isn't a Flickr member, and I never use his
computer so it doesn't have any cookies for Flickr or Yahoo that would
give him members privileges.  Neither my computer's nor my son's have
any ad-blocking software at work.  Flash and Java are enabled for us
both.

The pages I saw were ~absolutely~ 100 percent identical to the pages I
see on my own computers.  Every part of the page layout was the same
down to the smallest detail, including the single ad panel below and
to the right of the display picture.

Then I viewed Godfrey's photostream at my son's computer.  No ads at
all, just as it should be because Godfrey is a paid subscriber.  On
Flickr that doesn't just mean no ads for Godder's eyes, it also means
no ads for his viewers.  Not even paid subscribers to photo.net can
make that claim.

I can't imagine what some people are seeing that makes them believe
Flickr is as bad as photo.net.  Flickr advertising is smaller and less
prominently placed than photo.net ads.  There is only one ad on the
standard Flickr photo page against three ads on a standard photo.net
photo page.  Other Flickr display pages such as Lightbox or All
Sizes don't have ads.

If you choose the first link that Godfrey always supplies you'll get a
Lightbox page so you won't need to bitch about any perceived Flickr
crapulence.  For my part I'll tell you which is the clean page when
I supply links.

I reckon people hate Flickr because they've just gotta hate something,
and there's no Mac vs PC debate going on today.

regards, Anthony

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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

2011-06-28 Thread Tim Bray
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Someone should run through the thread and tally the votes.

 I nominate Tim.

OK: 
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AogBdTEc87UVdGZqd2tGdjdiZDU5cDJ6cV9ZU2d5c2chl=en_USauthkey=CPSu6bAG

Think I need an FA77... -T


 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 Another vote here for the 50-135.  No, I haven't measured, that wind
 blowing flapping your undies is my arms waving.

 Often perceived sharpness is a function of DoF.  The 21mm Limited
 isn't all that sharp, but when you're taking pictures of mountains and
 skyscrapers and so on...

 Someone should run through the thread and tally the votes.  -T

 On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Chris Mitchell
 chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 On 22 June 2011 16:25, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I love Frank's sig: Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri 
 Cartier-Bresson
 yet there is little that exceeds sharpness as the mark of a great
 optical design.
 There have been several lenses that have been claimed to be the
 sharpest in the Pentax stable, and others beyond Pentax (Zeiss
 probably most often mentioned).

 So I thought I would ask PDML members for their opinions on which lens
 (or lenses) they would rank as the sharpest in their stable:
 I once cut my finger on an M50/1.7. There was a slight burr on the
 filter thread...

 Chris

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Re: OT Enablement

2011-06-28 Thread Brian Walters
On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 00:05 -0600, William Robb
anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 27/06/2011 11:54 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
 
  Interestingly, that camera originally came to me with a Tokina 35-105
  zoom which redefines the terms 'heavy' and 'bulky'.  It weighs in at
  about 850 grams and, with it mounted, the camera/lens combination
  certainly doesn't qualify for the 'small' tag.
 
 I had one of those. It was the first zoom lens I ever bought, and the 
 first zoom lens to turn me off to the entire concept of zoom lenses, and 
 started a loathing for the things that I carry to this day.



I actually have two of them now.  A previous donation from my
brother-in-law was a Spotmatic II fitted with the M42 version.



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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

2011-06-28 Thread Rob Studdert
On 28 June 2011 16:38, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:

 Think I need an FA77... -T

Sure so long as perceived sharpness is preferable to veiling flare in
your list of lens essentials.

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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:12 -0700, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 the tectonic launch time of
 the Pentax Gallery


Mark!

(Rick is obviously a master of understatement...)



Cheers

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, or the merely glacial launch time of Smugmug... it's
 an annoyance, but not a disabling one.
 
 Rick
 
 http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 
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  From: Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com
  Subject: Photo.net no more
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 1:09 PM
  I just clicked on a PESO hosted on
  photo.net.  It popped up an
  interstitial ad that I had to view or dismiss before I
  could see the
  picture.  This is unacceptable behavior and, sorry
  folks, I just ain't
  clicking on any more photo.net links.
  
  FYI, for those folks depending on photo.net hosting, this
  sort of
  abuse-the-users behavior smacks of desperation; you might
  want to
  think about finding an alternate home for your photographic
  art,
  because at this point I'd be unsurprised if they didn't
  have too long
  to live. -T
  
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Re: Peso Red

2011-06-28 Thread Brian Walters
On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:37 -0400, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13563072
 


Very nice, Dave.  I like the slight vignetting.  Deliberate?


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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

2011-06-28 Thread Boris Liberman

On 6/28/2011 09:43, Rob Studdert wrote:

On 28 June 2011 16:38, Tim Braytb...@textuality.com  wrote:


Think I need an FA77... -T


Sure so long as perceived sharpness is preferable to veiling flare in
your list of lens essentials.



I beg to differ, Rob. My silver FA77 is as fine as any other SMC optic I 
have.


Yet, if Tim needed a reason for yet another enablement, FA77 can easily 
come on top of his list...


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RE: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Bob W
 
  If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't
 want to
  be forced to go shopping first.
 
 A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see
 ads on the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the
 interior of the bus as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably
 have to pay twice as much to ride that bus. It's commerce in a free
 society, and, for the most part, it works.
 Paul
 

OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I
don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is
the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs
which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others,
so I won't go there. 

I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think
that works?

B


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Re: PESO A quiet stream

2011-06-28 Thread Brian Walters
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:08 -0400, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Seen on an ostensible dog-walk this evening. Dog was unimpressed.
 
 http://goo.gl/hovrC  (Flickr lightbox)
 http://goo.gl/fKhhW  (Flickr plain vanilla)



I like that - a simple composition that works.  

As an aside, if it wasn't for the title I wouldn't have been sure what
the background is.  Not that it matters - the background works
regardless.



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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

2011-06-28 Thread David Mann
On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:26 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 My wife has a flip phone and likes to cradle her phone on her shoulder
 so she can do things while talking.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/

:))

I have one but I must confess that I don't often use it as it's a bit 
inconvenient to carry around.  But it does get attention.  I modified mine to 
replace the modern blue LED with a retro red one, along with a couple of other 
small changes.

Dave



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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite.

On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:14 AM, William Robb wrote:

 On 27/06/2011 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 
 
 
 No, I love ads.
 
 To a great extent, you are an ad.
 
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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Jun 28, 2011, at 3:10 AM, Bob W wrote:

 
 If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't
 want to
 be forced to go shopping first.
 
 A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see
 ads on the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the
 interior of the bus as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably
 have to pay twice as much to ride that bus. It's commerce in a free
 society, and, for the most part, it works.
 Paul
 
 
 OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I
 don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is
 the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs
 which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others,
 so I won't go there. 
 
 I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think
 that works?
 

Unfortunately, the advertisers don't lose. Pop-ups score more hits than banner 
ads. I don't know why. Like you, I click them off immediately.
Paul

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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread drd1135
Just for information purposes, I get a pop up window with an ad that I have to 
close in order to see the picture.  I use a MacBook with Safari.   
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On 28 June 2011 11:43, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

(snip)
  I assume you're a flickr members, so that's why the ads are 
 inconspicuous. They're not inconspicuous for non-members. The same is true of 
 photo.net for the most part. However, I think photo.net should avoid pop-ups 
 and stick with banners exclusively, although banners don't generate as many 
 hits as pop-ups, so most websites now employ pop-ups.
 Paul

Just what are non-members seeing on Flickr that members aren't?  Has
anybody ~really~ tested it or are they just guessing and assuming?

To test Paul's claim I walked over to my son's computer and viewed my
Flickr photostream.  My son isn't a Flickr member, and I never use his
computer so it doesn't have any cookies for Flickr or Yahoo that would
give him members privileges.  Neither my computer's nor my son's have
any ad-blocking software at work.  Flash and Java are enabled for us
both.

The pages I saw were ~absolutely~ 100 percent identical to the pages I
see on my own computers.  Every part of the page layout was the same
down to the smallest detail, including the single ad panel below and
to the right of the display picture.

Then I viewed Godfrey's photostream at my son's computer.  No ads at
all, just as it should be because Godfrey is a paid subscriber.  On
Flickr that doesn't just mean no ads for Godder's eyes, it also means
no ads for his viewers.  Not even paid subscribers to photo.net can
make that claim.

I can't imagine what some people are seeing that makes them believe
Flickr is as bad as photo.net.  Flickr advertising is smaller and less
prominently placed than photo.net ads.  There is only one ad on the
standard Flickr photo page against three ads on a standard photo.net
photo page.  Other Flickr display pages such as Lightbox or All
Sizes don't have ads.

If you choose the first link that Godfrey always supplies you'll get a
Lightbox page so you won't need to bitch about any perceived Flickr
crapulence.  For my part I'll tell you which is the clean page when
I supply links.

I reckon people hate Flickr because they've just gotta hate something,
and there's no Mac vs PC debate going on today.

regards, Anthony

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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

2011-06-28 Thread drd1135
That's actually tempting.  She might really like this.  
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On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:26 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 My wife has a flip phone and likes to cradle her phone on her shoulder
 so she can do things while talking.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/

:))

I have one but I must confess that I don't often use it as it's a bit 
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Re: OT Enablement

2011-06-28 Thread drd1135
Sometimes a zoom is just a zoom. 
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On 27/06/2011 11:54 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

 Interestingly, that camera originally came to me with a Tokina 35-105
 zoom which redefines the terms 'heavy' and 'bulky'.  It weighs in at
 about 850 grams and, with it mounted, the camera/lens combination
 certainly doesn't qualify for the 'small' tag.

I had one of those. It was the first zoom lens I ever bought, and the 
first zoom lens to turn me off to the entire concept of zoom lenses, and 
started a loathing for the things that I carry to this day.

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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 5:37 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 Unfortunately, the advertisers don't lose. Pop-ups score more hits than 
 banner ads. I don't know why. Like you, I click them off immediately.

Maybe some people have bad aim.

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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread John Sessoms

From: Sandy Harris

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
wrote:

Well, compared to the Flickr interface, or the tectonic launch
time of the Pentax Gallery, or the merely glacial launch time of
Smugmug... it's an annoyance, but not a disabling one.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW

I've never seen an intrusive ad on that site. I just tested by
clicking on Rick's link (Some nice photos there, by the way.) and got
no ads.

I'm using Firefox on Linux with so ad-blocking and script-blocking
add-ons. I do not recall which, but could look it up if anyone needs
to know.


There is a banner at the top  a banner at the bottom.

Don't know what they're for because the ads are on sites that are 
apparently in my hosts file. All I see of the ads is Unable to connect 
 Even if I could see the ads they're not overly obtrusive.


I've never seen any pop-ups from PESOs on photo.net.


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RE: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bob W

If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't

 want to

  be forced to go shopping first.


 A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see
 ads on the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the
 interior of the bus as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably
 have to pay twice as much to ride that bus. It's commerce in a free
 society, and, for the most part, it works.
 Paul


OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I
don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is
the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs
which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others,
so I won't go there.

I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think
that works?


I understand what you're saying, but I just don't see the in-yer-face 
intrusive nature of the advertising at photo.net.


I am not a member of photo.net, so if it's bad I should be getting the 
brunt of it. Right?


I don't see the ads, but I can see the frames where the ads are located, 
and there's less advertising on the page than in the average newspaper 
or magazine.  There's a banner at the top, and a banner at the bottom, 
and on some pages there's a box off to one side more or less in the middle.



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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:40 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 I understand what you're saying, but I just don't see the in-yer-face
 intrusive nature of the advertising at photo.net.

 I am not a member of photo.net, so if it's bad I should be getting the brunt
 of it. Right?

 I don't see the ads, but I can see the frames where the ads are located, and
 there's less advertising on the page than in the average newspaper or
 magazine.  There's a banner at the top, and a banner at the bottom, and on
 some pages there's a box off to one side more or less in the middle.

There's almost certainly a random component to the advertising. You
can't conclude that pop-over ads don't exist just because you haven't
seen one (yet).

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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Anthony Farr
On 28 June 2011 20:50,  drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just for information purposes, I get a pop up window with an ad that I have 
 to close in order to see the picture.  I use a MacBook with Safari.


Are you referring to Flickr or photo.net? I get an occasional pop up
at photo.net but never at Flickr.  Occasionally the ad-server doesn't
insert the ad into the windows at either site.

As an free Flickr member I see the same ad windows that any other
visitor will see whether a member or not, although the ad content is
localised.  Paying subscribers are excused from seeing ads, apparently
at both sites.  They won't be aware of any advertising unless they
logout, delete their cookies, and then return as a visitor..

regards, Anthony

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    to those who lack in mind and sight
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On 28 June 2011 20:50,  drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just for information purposes, I get a pop up window with an ad that I have 
 to close in order to see the picture.  I use a MacBook with Safari.


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Re: Totally OT: Bluetooth headset for smart phone

2011-06-28 Thread Cotty
On 28/6/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

Cotty, is it 90 imperial or 90 metric?

Years.

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Re: PESO A quiet stream

2011-06-28 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-06-28 3:16 AM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:08 -0400, Bruce Walkerbruce.wal...@gmail.com
wrote:

Seen on an ostensible dog-walk this evening. Dog was unimpressed.

http://goo.gl/hovrC  (Flickr lightbox)
http://goo.gl/fKhhW  (Flickr plain vanilla)



I like that - a simple composition that works.

As an aside, if it wasn't for the title I wouldn't have been sure what
the background is.  Not that it matters - the background works
regardless.



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This is one shot where, if I was really trying to capture more of a 
literal appearance of the scene, I'd have needed HDR techniques.  The 
stream runs through pretty thick plant cover of trees and bushes, but 
the late day sun was reflecting off the water at about 45 degrees 
through a gap straight ahead of my PoV. So there must have been a light 
range of well over a dozen EV or so when I clicked the shutter.


I toyed with reducing the contrast to better bring out the tonal 
variations in the water itself, but I preferred emphasizing the curious 
sparkly lines and stuff in the OOF specular reflections (what can I say, 
I'm still a sucker for that).  But I'm likely to revisit this one and 
play with other renderings. I think there's a lot of latitude in the image.


I appreciate your comments. Thank you Brian.

-bmw

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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 ... I assume you're a flickr members, so that's why the ads are 
 inconspicuous. They're not inconspicuous for non-members. ...

Again, if I send you the links to photos like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/lightbox/
or
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/5865448384/

What advertisements do you see? If I log out of flickr.com and look at
the links, I'm operating as if I had no account there and I see NO
advertisements at all.

I despise advertisements when I'm trying to look at photographs. I'd
use ad blockers to remove them, but they screw up other things that I
need to have working.
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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Stan Halpin
What some of us object to is the big pop-up that appears about 1 second into 
the page-load process. The pop-up covers about 80-90% of the window and (for me 
at least) is blank. Presumably, if I wait long enough, some advertising pitch 
will appear in that pop-up. I have never waited long enough to find out, I just 
close the photo.net window and go on to something else.

Ads on the side, flashing banners, billboards on buses . . . all of that I can 
ignore. The photo.net approach which visually blocks my screen and prevents me 
from seeing anything while they leisurely load an ad for me to ignore, that is 
something with which I do not care to put up.

stan

On Jun 28, 2011, at 8:40 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Bob W
 If I get on a bus that says Trafalgar Square on the front, I don't
  want to
   be forced to go shopping first.
 
  A fallacious argument. You won't have to go shopping, but you will see
  ads on the side of the bus, on the bus shelter, and perhaps on the
  interior of the bus as well. And if they weren't there, you'd probably
  have to pay twice as much to ride that bus. It's commerce in a free
  society, and, for the most part, it works.
  Paul
 
 OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I
 don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is
 the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs
 which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others,
 so I won't go there.
 
 I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think
 that works?
 
 I understand what you're saying, but I just don't see the in-yer-face 
 intrusive nature of the advertising at photo.net.
 
 I am not a member of photo.net, so if it's bad I should be getting the brunt 
 of it. Right?
 
 I don't see the ads, but I can see the frames where the ads are located, and 
 there's less advertising on the page than in the average newspaper or 
 magazine.  There's a banner at the top, and a banner at the bottom, and on 
 some pages there's a box off to one side more or less in the middle.
 
 


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PESO: Let Me In!

2011-06-28 Thread Jack Davis


http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=609

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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

2011-06-28 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-06-28 2:38 AM, Tim Bray wrote:

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Steven Desjardinsdrd1...@gmail.com  wrote:

Someone should run through the thread and tally the votes.

I nominate Tim.

OK: 
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AogBdTEc87UVdGZqd2tGdjdiZDU5cDJ6cV9ZU2d5c2chl=en_USauthkey=CPSu6bAG

Think I need an FA77... -T


Thanks for the spreadsheet, Tim.

I assume that the curious entry for a 5/1.4 is actually the DA* 55/1.4.
I count 3 mentions for that one (Stan Halpin, William Robb and myself).

I bet there'd be an enthusiastic specialized market for a 5mm 1.4. :)

-bmw

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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

2011-06-28 Thread Steven Desjardins
Good job, Tim.  I'm a little surprised by the absence of the DA70.
Maybe no one has one?

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Someone should run through the thread and tally the votes.

 I nominate Tim.

 OK: 
 https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AogBdTEc87UVdGZqd2tGdjdiZDU5cDJ6cV9ZU2d5c2chl=en_USauthkey=CPSu6bAG

 Think I need an FA77... -T


 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:
 Another vote here for the 50-135.  No, I haven't measured, that wind
 blowing flapping your undies is my arms waving.

 Often perceived sharpness is a function of DoF.  The 21mm Limited
 isn't all that sharp, but when you're taking pictures of mountains and
 skyscrapers and so on...

 Someone should run through the thread and tally the votes.  -T

 On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Chris Mitchell
 chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 On 22 June 2011 16:25, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I love Frank's sig: Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri 
 Cartier-Bresson
 yet there is little that exceeds sharpness as the mark of a great
 optical design.
 There have been several lenses that have been claimed to be the
 sharpest in the Pentax stable, and others beyond Pentax (Zeiss
 probably most often mentioned).

 So I thought I would ask PDML members for their opinions on which lens
 (or lenses) they would rank as the sharpest in their stable:
 I once cut my finger on an M50/1.7. There was a slight burr on the
 filter thread...

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Re: Interesting effect: drastic change of color on photograph

2011-06-28 Thread P. J. Alling
It's a bit late but my semi calibrated CRT, (Hitachi SuperScan Elite 
761*), shows them as blue.  I thought it might be the screen being off 
so I tried it on my laptop as well, and the blue elements are blue there 
as well.


On 6/14/2011 11:03 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

Hi All!

After taking photos at a party, I discovered an interesting effect.
It was indoors, with uneven and not very bright light, so, I used
a flash bounced from the ceiling, which made the light rather uniform.

There were some party items in two colors: green and purple.
In all shots, the purple came out as blue. All other colors are
close to the original.
I tried to play with the color temperature and tint in LR, but I cannot
make it without skewing the rest of the colors.
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR31001.jpg

I suspect, that this particular color (dye) fluoresces from the flush,
or something like that.

This brought up an interesting discussion question:
Imagine a well organized party with color matching of various elements
(e.g. wedding, with bride's maids' dresses matching the plates, or
whatever). In that case, the flash can change the way colors appear.
By itself, it is nothing new - the same color on different surfices can
appear differently in different light.
But, - it would be a nightmare for the photographer (and the wedding
organizer, if that person was in charge for the photographs).

This opens up many interesting questions that I've never heard
discussed. On one hand the event organizer should be aware of such
potential problems, -  but I am curious, - how many of them try to
see how things look under the flash light?

I know that, say, stage directors for theaters/ballet are aware of such
issues, - I had a chance of talking with one from a famous Russian
ballet troup touring the US some 12 years ago. They had to deal with
the variation of the light temperature/color in different cities.
Otherwise, slightly blueish tutus (Swan Lake) in a yellowish main
stage white light look green.

If you have worked with the wedding/event organizers who had dealt
with such situations, - I'd be very curious to hear about it.
And if you were the photographer, - how did you deal with it?

Cheers,

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PESO - Just Being Cute

2011-06-28 Thread frank theriault
No big whoop, just a couple of ducklings, but they're hard to resist:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/just-being-cute.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: PESOs - Yonge St, Toronto

2011-06-28 Thread frank theriault
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 A month ago we were in Toronto, and I'm just getting around to sorting 
 through the photos.

 The main drag is Yonge St., which often seems a bit of a mob scene.

 Daytime:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13546053size=lg

 Nighttime:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13546054size=lg

 (K7 and DA 50-200 and 16-45, respectively)

I like 'em both, but the daytime shot is much more dynamic.

It was great seeing you and Joy for a few hours on the Saturday afternoon!

;-)

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Re: PESOs - Yonge St, Toronto

2011-06-28 Thread frank theriault
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Both very nice, Rick. Looks like a fun street.  Cheers, Christine

Looks can be deceiving.

;-)

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Re: PESO: Let Me In!

2011-06-28 Thread frank theriault
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:


 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=609

Wow!  ~Very~ cool shot!

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Re: Peso Red

2011-06-28 Thread David J Brooks
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:37 -0400, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13563072



 Very nice, Dave.  I like the slight vignetting.  Deliberate?

Yes, playing around with LR

Dave


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Re: PESO: Let Me In!

2011-06-28 Thread David J Brooks
Very nice Jack, but i am no longer looking at your photo's. I don't
see any pop up or banner ads so i'm gone.:-)

Dave

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 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=609

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Re: PESO - Just Being Cute

2011-06-28 Thread David J Brooks
A

Dave

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:02 AM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 No big whoop, just a couple of ducklings, but they're hard to resist:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/just-being-cute.html

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: PESO: The Pitch is on the Way

2011-06-28 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for looking, Rick and Steven.

The Pitcher has just released the ball, as the caption tries to
convey.  I experimented with shutter speeds, trying to freeze the
pitcher, but not the ball.  This one (1/750) worked in that regard,
which is what I was basically trying to do in this image.

Dan

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Not as good as the other action shots--did the pitcher just throw the ball, 
 or is he shielding himself from getting clobbered by a line drive?

 Rick

 http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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Re: PESO - Just Being Cute

2011-06-28 Thread Jack Davis
Photographically irresistible. Nice image, Frank!

Jack

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 Dave
 
 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:02 AM, frank theriault
 knarftheria...@gmail.com
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  No big whoop, just a couple of ducklings, but they're
 hard to resist:
 
  http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/just-being-cute.html
 
  Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.
 
  cheers,
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Re: PESO: Let Me In!

2011-06-28 Thread Jack Davis
Don't blame you, Dave. ;)

Jack

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 Subject: Re: PESO: Let Me In!
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 Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 8:13 AM
 Very nice Jack, but i am no longer
 looking at your photo's. I don't
 see any pop up or banner ads so i'm gone.:-)
 
 Dave
 
 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=609
 
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Re: PESO: Let Me In!

2011-06-28 Thread Jack Davis
Left over May Fly..I guess.
Thanks, Frank!

Jack

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 Subject: Re: PESO: Let Me In!
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
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  http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=609
 
 Wow!  ~Very~ cool shot!
 
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Re: PESO: Let Me In!

2011-06-28 Thread Paul Sorenson
Cool...the screen pattern makes it more interesting than just the insect 
alone.


-p

On 6/28/2011 8:54 AM, Jack Davis wrote:



http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=609

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OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
At the Aussie photo show ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

looks like it's very close to production now.

Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
yet.

Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

Excited... :)

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - Just Being Cute

2011-06-28 Thread P. J. Alling

They're just so sweet, until they try to nibble you to death.

On 6/28/2011 11:02 AM, frank theriault wrote:

No big whoop, just a couple of ducklings, but they're hard to resist:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/just-being-cute.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread William Robb

On 28/06/2011 3:35 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite.



A wee testy today? That wasn't an attack any more than saying you are an 
American from Detroit is an attack.

Well, I suppose that might be an attack.

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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Luka Knezevic-Strika
flickr is way cleaner than photo.net for showing a single photo. just
check out godfrey's examples. habit is another thing tough, your eyes
immediately knowing where to look is always a help. but it usually
takes only a couple dozen visits to get used to any layout.
f
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 On 28/06/2011 3:35 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite.


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 American from Detroit is an attack.
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Re: PESO: The Pitch is on the Way

2011-06-28 Thread Rick Womer

That's a lot of blur in the ball for 1/750!

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Tue, 6/28/11, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:


 Thanks for looking, Rick and Steven.
 
 The Pitcher has just released the ball, as the caption
 tries to
 convey.  I experimented with shutter speeds, trying to
 freeze the
 pitcher, but not the ball.  This one (1/750) worked in
 that regard,
 which is what I was basically trying to do in this image.
 
 Dan
 
 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  Not as good as the other action shots--did the pitcher
 just throw the ball, or is he shielding himself from getting
 clobbered by a line drive?
 
  Rick
 
  http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 
  --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
  Subject: PESO: The Pitch is on the Way
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 3:32 PM
  http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=107
 
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Re: PESOs - Yonge St, Toronto

2011-06-28 Thread Rick Womer
We had a great time.  Thanks for the tour!

The rest of our trip was really good, too!  Maybe one of these days I'll get 
more pix up.

Rick

http://photo.net/photos/RickW


--- On Tue, 6/28/11, frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:39 PM, Rick
 Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  A month ago we were in Toronto, and I'm just getting
 around to sorting through the photos.
 
  The main drag is Yonge St., which often seems a bit
 of a mob scene.
 
  Daytime:
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13546053size=lg
 
  Nighttime:
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=13546054size=lg
 
  (K7 and DA 50-200 and 16-45, respectively)
 
 I like 'em both, but the daytime shot is much more
 dynamic.
 
 It was great seeing you and Joy for a few hours on the
 Saturday afternoon!
 
 ;-)
 
 cheers,
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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread P. J. Alling
Interesting it looks like it might even have a 24x36mm sensor.  But I 
guess it's just a mockup so who knows what it will really have when it's 
released.


On 6/28/2011 11:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

At the Aussie photo show ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

looks like it's very close to production now.

Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
yet.

Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

Excited... :)

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Re: PESO: The Pitch is on the Way

2011-06-28 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It must have been a fastball!

Dan

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 That's a lot of blur in the ball for 1/750!

 Rick

 http://photo.net/photos/RickW


 --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:


 Thanks for looking, Rick and Steven.

 The Pitcher has just released the ball, as the caption
 tries to
 convey.  I experimented with shutter speeds, trying to
 freeze the
 pitcher, but not the ball.  This one (1/750) worked in
 that regard,
 which is what I was basically trying to do in this image.

 Dan

 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  Not as good as the other action shots--did the pitcher
 just throw the ball, or is he shielding himself from getting
 clobbered by a line drive?
 
  Rick
 
  http://photo.net/photos/RickW
 
 
  --- On Mon, 6/27/11, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
  Subject: PESO: The Pitch is on the Way
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Monday, June 27, 2011, 3:32 PM
  http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=107
 
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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Bob Sullivan
What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
promotional/reportage bit.

Don't be an ass.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
 I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

 Godfrey

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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:16 AM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Interesting it looks like it might even have a 24x36mm sensor.  But I guess
 it's just a mockup so who knows what it will really have when it's released.

This is very close to final product. It's due in stores around October
according to Ricoh USA and three vendors I've spoken with. I've
already got pre-order deposit sitting on one ...

The sensor is APS-C (16x24mm) format, just like the other GXR A12
units. Specs to that level have been announced by Ricoh already:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1102/11020114ricohmmount.asp

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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

2011-06-28 Thread Scott Loveless
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 So I thought I would ask PDML members for their opinions on which lens
 (or lenses) they would rank as the sharpest in their stable:
 Overall
 and
 Wide Open

I once had an M28/3.5 that I could have used to shave my beard.

Of my current stable, the M50/1.7 is probably sharper wide open than
the FA50/1.4, but I don't much care for the flatness of the photos
it produces.  The FA50 is a much nicer lens to use and just as sharp
as the 1.7 once it's stopped down a bit.

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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

2011-06-28 Thread Ecke PDML
I think my DFA 100 was my sharpest lens, /was/ because I had to sell
it for lack of funds. The DFA 50 will have to go next. Those are/were
the sharpest two in my stable.
=( Ecke

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 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 So I thought I would ask PDML members for their opinions on which lens
 (or lenses) they would rank as the sharpest in their stable:
 Overall
 and
 Wide Open

 I once had an M28/3.5 that I could have used to shave my beard.

 Of my current stable, the M50/1.7 is probably sharper wide open than
 the FA50/1.4, but I don't much care for the flatness of the photos
 it produces.  The FA50 is a much nicer lens to use and just as sharp
 as the 1.7 once it's stopped down a bit.

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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Bob Sullivan
Got a Nexus ad this time thru...  :-)  Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
 promotional/reportage bit.

 Don't be an ass.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
 I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

 Godfrey

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Re: OT Enablement

2011-06-28 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

 G;'day all
 
 Knowing my interest in old cameras, my brother-in-law presented me with
 his old SLR.  I've always wanted to play with one of these:
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/_IGP0567om.jpg

Very cool.  When they came out, I was very intrigued by the thought of a camera 
much smaller and lighter than my SRT-101.

I've got a friend with an OM-1.  Are there any DSLRs that can use the lenses?  
Or do they only work with the micro 4/3 and a fotodiox adapter?

She has two lenses, a 50/1.4 and a (IIRC) Vivitar 24/2.8, so it's probably not 
worth too much effort trying to find a body to use the lenses with.



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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

2011-06-28 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Someone should run through the thread and tally the votes.
 
 I nominate Tim.
 
 OK: 
 https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AogBdTEc87UVdGZqd2tGdjdiZDU5cDJ6cV9ZU2d5c2chl=en_USauthkey=CPSu6bAG

Awesome! thanks.

 
 Think I need an FA77... -T


You only think you need an FA77 because you've never shot with one. Otherwise 
you'd know you need one.

When you're in the Beigh Arya, let me know, we can get together and I'll let 
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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Steven Desjardins
That's very nice.  I'm surprised you didn't buy a plane ticket  ;-)

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

 Godfrey

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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
If you're seeing advertisements, it's a problem on your system with
whatever browser you're using. I've opened it four times, with both
with Safari or Firefox, and not seen a single advertisement .

Can't help such a corrupted system, Bob.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got a Nexus ad this time thru...  :-)  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
 promotional/reportage bit.

 Don't be an ass.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
 I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

 Godfrey

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Re: OT Enablement

2011-06-28 Thread William Robb

On 28/06/2011 12:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



She has two lenses, a 50/1.4 and a (IIRC) Vivitar 24/2.8, so it's probably not 
worth too much effort trying to find a body to use the lenses with.


The Oly-OM 50/1.4 is an awesome lens.

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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

2011-06-28 Thread Steven Desjardins
I don't think I have made enough use of my K28 3.5.  JCO swears by it.
 I need to just stick it on the K7 so I actually take it with me.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 So I thought I would ask PDML members for their opinions on which lens
 (or lenses) they would rank as the sharpest in their stable:
 Overall
 and
 Wide Open

 I once had an M28/3.5 that I could have used to shave my beard.

 Of my current stable, the M50/1.7 is probably sharper wide open than
 the FA50/1.4, but I don't much care for the flatness of the photos
 it produces.  The FA50 is a much nicer lens to use and just as sharp
 as the 1.7 once it's stopped down a bit.

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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Oh, yes, If you're using the web mail Google interface to read your
gmail account, and click on the embedded YouTube player, you'll see
advertisements. If you click on the link I provided instead, you
won't. Using their embedded player crap is something I never do ... I
hate the advertisement overlays.

It's easy to use the link and why I provided it.

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 If you're seeing advertisements, it's a problem on your system with
 whatever browser you're using. I've opened it four times, with both
 with Safari or Firefox, and not seen a single advertisement .

 Can't help such a corrupted system, Bob.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got a Nexus ad this time thru...  :-)  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
 promotional/reportage bit.

 Don't be an ass.

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 What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
 I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
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 That's very nice.  I'm surprised you didn't buy a plane ticket  ;-)

Wish I had. I'd like to visit Australia again anyway!

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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 28, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

 
 On Jun 28, 2011, at 3:10 AM, Bob W wrote:
 
 
 
 I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think
 that works?
 
 
 Unfortunately, the advertisers don't lose. Pop-ups score more hits than 
 banner ads. I don't know why. Like you, I click them off immediately.
 Paul

Perhaps, because a significant number of people trying to close the ad 
accidentally click on it as if they wanted to see it.


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Re: GESO- pushing the K-5

2011-06-28 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Bong Manayon wrote:

 On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:
 
 
 I also like those desturated portraits (especially the first 5).
 
 In addition to two WR lenses you need Bong WR. :-)
 
 
 I was, but after all these years something is wrong with the O rings...

I wonder if it has something to do with the manufacturing date, even though we 
were produced in different factories.

 

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Re: GESO: Rainbow Bridge

2011-06-28 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:03 PM, steve harley wrote:

 On 2011-06-25 10:36 , Charles Robinson wrote:
 Pretty!
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2011/rainbow_bridge/index.html

Nice shot, and I suspect very challenging lighting.

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Re: OT: A thief in the night

2011-06-28 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:12 PM, David Parsons wrote:

 Saw this over at TOP and found it incredibly funny.
 
 http://www.zie.nl/video/opmerkelijk/Meeuw-steelt-camera/m1ezpfqfk1dv

Very funny.  I wonder how he got it back, or whether the video was just posted 
by whoever found it.

Looking at the related links, it seems as if the Dutch word for seagull is an 
onomatopoeia, which is an excuse to tell one of my favorite jokes:

How do you spell onomatopoeia?
Just like it sounds.


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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Bob Sullivan
Playing a Dish TV ad now...   ;-)
And the computer is a new Sony with IE software preloaded.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 If you're seeing advertisements, it's a problem on your system with
 whatever browser you're using. I've opened it four times, with both
 with Safari or Firefox, and not seen a single advertisement .

 Can't help such a corrupted system, Bob.

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 Got a Nexus ad this time thru...  :-)  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
 promotional/reportage bit.

 Don't be an ass.

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 What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
 I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

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Re: OT: A thief in the night

2011-06-28 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:20:11PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:12 PM, David Parsons wrote:
 
  Saw this over at TOP and found it incredibly funny.
  
  http://www.zie.nl/video/opmerkelijk/Meeuw-steelt-camera/m1ezpfqfk1dv
 
 Looking at the related links, it seems as if the Dutch word for seagull is an 
 onomatopoeia . . .

The word is in English, too (just like a lot of other foreign words).

It's possibly seen more often as Seamew than as Mew (similar to the
seagull/gull variants), but both forms can be found in many dictionaries.

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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I see you insist on being an ass.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Playing a Dish TV ad now...   ;-)
 And the computer is a new Sony with IE software preloaded.
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 If you're seeing advertisements, it's a problem on your system with
 whatever browser you're using. I've opened it four times, with both
 with Safari or Firefox, and not seen a single advertisement .

 Can't help such a corrupted system, Bob.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Got a Nexus ad this time thru...  :-)  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
 promotional/reportage bit.

 Don't be an ass.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
 I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

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Re: PESO: Let Me In!

2011-06-28 Thread Larry Colen
Wonderful shot.  It's just a tad dark on my monitor though.

On Jun 28, 2011, at 6:54 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

 
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=609
 
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Re: OT Enablement

2011-06-28 Thread P. J. Alling
43 system and m43 system cameras with adapters are the only ones I know 
of.  I read somewhere that most classic OM system lenses were uncoated, 
but I highly doubt that, most were probably single or double coated.  
They preform rather well, flare wise, for optics with minimal coatings.


On 6/28/2011 2:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Brian Walters wrote:


G;'day all

Knowing my interest in old cameras, my brother-in-law presented me with
his old SLR.  I've always wanted to play with one of these:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/_IGP0567om.jpg

Very cool.  When they came out, I was very intrigued by the thought of a camera 
much smaller and lighter than my SRT-101.

I've got a friend with an OM-1.  Are there any DSLRs that can use the lenses?  
Or do they only work with the micro 4/3 and a fotodiox adapter?

She has two lenses, a 50/1.4 and a (IIRC) Vivitar 24/2.8, so it's probably not 
worth too much effort trying to find a body to use the lenses with.



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Re: OT Enablement

2011-06-28 Thread Paul Dunderdale
They will also work on the Sony Nex system with the appropriate adapters: APS-C 
sensor in the Sony.

Paul


On 28 Jun 2011, at 21:07, P. J. Alling wrote:

 43 system and m43 system cameras with adapters are the only ones I know of.  
 I read somewhere that most classic OM system lenses were uncoated, but I 
 highly doubt that, most were probably single or double coated.  They preform 
 rather well, flare wise, for optics with minimal coatings.
 
 On 6/28/2011 2:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
 
 G;'day all
 
 Knowing my interest in old cameras, my brother-in-law presented me with
 his old SLR.  I've always wanted to play with one of these:
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/_IGP0567om.jpg
 Very cool.  When they came out, I was very intrigued by the thought of a 
 camera much smaller and lighter than my SRT-101.
 
 I've got a friend with an OM-1.  Are there any DSLRs that can use the 
 lenses?  Or do they only work with the micro 4/3 and a fotodiox adapter?
 
 She has two lenses, a 50/1.4 and a (IIRC) Vivitar 24/2.8, so it's probably 
 not worth too much effort trying to find a body to use the lenses with.
 
 
 
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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Bob Sullivan
Checked your link again Godfrey, still playing the Dish TV ad first...  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

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 I see you insist on being an ass.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Playing a Dish TV ad now...   ;-)
 And the computer is a new Sony with IE software preloaded.
 Regards,  Bob S.

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 wrote:
 If you're seeing advertisements, it's a problem on your system with
 whatever browser you're using. I've opened it four times, with both
 with Safari or Firefox, and not seen a single advertisement .

 Can't help such a corrupted system, Bob.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Got a Nexus ad this time thru...  :-)  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
 promotional/reportage bit.

 Don't be an ass.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
 I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

 Godfrey

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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Ken Waller


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- Original Message - 
From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Photo.net no more


I can relate to Paul Stenquist here, who has great many pictures on 
photo.net and re-uploading them may be a big effort for him. Likewise, I 
am bloggin' on Google Blogger since October 2006. So to have to migrate 
would be a big bummer.


FWIW
I've created folders on an external hard drive containing copies of all 
images I've posted on the various internet venues sorted by each posting 
spot so migrating wouldn't be much of an issue. These copies are all web 
sized jpegs, so total size of these files is not an issue. 



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Re: PESO: Let Me In!

2011-06-28 Thread DagT
Nice!!

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Den 28. juni 2011 kl. 15.54 skrev Jack Davis:

 
 
 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=609
 
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OT - Of interest to sailors

2011-06-28 Thread Cotty
Hi listers

If you're not bothered by sailing, look away now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUJfwwtYmoc

A sad day for Gipsy Moth IV.

As Sir Francis Chichester would have said: 'What a to-do' !!



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Re: OT Enablement

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:07 PM, P. J. Alling
webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 43 system and m43 system cameras with adapters are the only ones I know of.
  I read somewhere that most classic OM system lenses were uncoated, but I
 highly doubt that, most were probably single or double coated.  They preform
 rather well, flare wise, for optics with minimal coatings.

Olympus OM system lenses are easily adapted to Olympus and Panasonic
FourThirds, Olympus and Panasonic Micro-FourThirds, Sony NEX, and
Canon EOS lens mounts. They work well on everything from FourThirds
format to full frame. The Olympus Pen F system lenses from the 1960s
were mostly single coated, but OM System (first introduced in the
1972-1973 time period) were almost all multicoated optics like most
SLR lenses post 1970 or so. Some of the OM lenses are highly sought
after and carry big price tags even today, like the 21mm f/2.

I had a kit of Olympus OM equipment for a period of time circa 1975 to
1977. Olympus lenses were always very high quality and the OM-1n and
OM-2 were very compact and nicely made.
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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Your system is obviously possessed by demonic advertisers. Throw it
out, it's affecting your mind.

Does anyone else see advertising in this link?

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Checked your link again Godfrey, still playing the Dish TV ad first...  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 I see you insist on being an ass.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Playing a Dish TV ad now...   ;-)
 And the computer is a new Sony with IE software preloaded.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 If you're seeing advertisements, it's a problem on your system with
 whatever browser you're using. I've opened it four times, with both
 with Safari or Firefox, and not seen a single advertisement .

 Can't help such a corrupted system, Bob.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Got a Nexus ad this time thru...  :-)  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
 promotional/reportage bit.

 Don't be an ass.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
 I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
 gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

 Godfrey

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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread drd1135
The video begins with a short commercial which can be skipped with a click. 
-Original Message-
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Your system is obviously possessed by demonic advertisers. Throw it
out, it's affecting your mind.

Does anyone else see advertising in this link?

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Checked your link again Godfrey, still playing the Dish TV ad first...  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 I see you insist on being an ass.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Playing a Dish TV ad now...   ;-)
 And the computer is a new Sony with IE software preloaded.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 If you're seeing advertisements, it's a problem on your system with
 whatever browser you're using. I've opened it four times, with both
 with Safari or Firefox, and not seen a single advertisement .

 Can't help such a corrupted system, Bob.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Got a Nexus ad this time thru...  :-)  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
 promotional/reportage bit.

 Don't be an ass.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
 I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
 gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

 looks like it's very close to production now.

 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.

 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

 Excited... :)

 Godfrey

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Re: OT Enablement

2011-06-28 Thread drd1135
The E5 is four thirds and should work.  I thought Godfrey had one of these. 
Also, my BlackBerry wants to change Godfrey to Cadaver. 
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43 system and m43 system cameras with adapters are the only ones I know 
of.  I read somewhere that most classic OM system lenses were uncoated, 
but I highly doubt that, most were probably single or double coated.  
They preform rather well, flare wise, for optics with minimal coatings.

On 6/28/2011 2:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Jun 27, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

 G;'day all

 Knowing my interest in old cameras, my brother-in-law presented me with
 his old SLR.  I've always wanted to play with one of these:

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/_IGP0567om.jpg
 Very cool.  When they came out, I was very intrigued by the thought of a 
 camera much smaller and lighter than my SRT-101.

 I've got a friend with an OM-1.  Are there any DSLRs that can use the lenses? 
  Or do they only work with the micro 4/3 and a fotodiox adapter?

 She has two lenses, a 50/1.4 and a (IIRC) Vivitar 24/2.8, so it's probably 
 not worth too much effort trying to find a body to use the lenses with.



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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Your system is obviously possessed by demonic advertisers. Throw it
 out, it's affecting your mind.
 
 Does anyone else see advertising in this link?

When I clicked on it, I saw an ad for the Nexus phone.


 
 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Checked your link again Godfrey, still playing the Dish TV ad first...  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I see you insist on being an ass.
 
 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Playing a Dish TV ad now...   ;-)
 And the computer is a new Sony with IE software preloaded.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 If you're seeing advertisements, it's a problem on your system with
 whatever browser you're using. I've opened it four times, with both
 with Safari or Firefox, and not seen a single advertisement .
 
 Can't help such a corrupted system, Bob.
 
 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Got a Nexus ad this time thru...  :-)  Bob S.
 
 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
 promotional/reportage bit.
 
 Don't be an ass.
 
 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
 I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
 gdigio...@gmail.com wrote:
 At the Aussie photo show ...
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player
 
 looks like it's very close to production now.
 
 Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
 it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
 this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
 yet.
 
 Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
 so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.
 
 Excited... :)
 
 Godfrey
 
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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Checked your link again Godfrey, still playing the Dish TV ad first...  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

Ok, Bob. You claim you see advertising when you click on the link I
posted. Here's a direct screen recording when I click on the link in
Google mail :

http://gallery.me.com/godders#100344/Screen_Recordingbgcolor=black

Do you see any advertising?
Now show me what you see.

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Re: PESO: Let Me In!

2011-06-28 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks, Larry. Yeah, now that you mention it, it's the slightest bit dark on 
mine too.

Jack

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 Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 12:58 PM
 Wonderful shot.  It's just a tad
 dark on my monitor though.
 
 On Jun 28, 2011, at 6:54 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
 
  
  
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Re: OT - Of interest to sailors

2011-06-28 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Cotty wrote:

 Hi listers
 
 If you're not bothered by sailing, look away now
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUJfwwtYmoc
 
 A sad day for Gipsy Moth IV.

I'll say.  It's too bad that the cameraman missed the impact, that would have 
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Re: PESO: Let Me In!

2011-06-28 Thread Jack Davis
Appreciate it, Dag!

Jack

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 Subject: Re: PESO: Let Me In!
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 1:21 PM
 Nice!!
 
 DagT
 http://www.thrane.name
 
 
 
 Den 28. juni 2011 kl. 15.54 skrev Jack Davis:
 
  
  
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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Larry Colen

On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Checked your link again Godfrey, still playing the Dish TV ad first...  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 Ok, Bob. You claim you see advertising when you click on the link I
 posted. Here's a direct screen recording when I click on the link in
 Google mail :
 
 http://gallery.me.com/godders#100344/Screen_Recordingbgcolor=black
 
 Do you see any advertising?
 Now show me what you see.

Godfrey,

What has your knickers in a twist over this?

FWIW, I just clicked the original link and it starts with an ad.

 

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Minimalism

2011-06-28 Thread Don Guthrie

Due to the subject matter I will say no more.

http://donspix.posterous.com/sometimes-less-is-more-in-photos-right-photo#!/



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Re: OT - Of interest to sailors

2011-06-28 Thread Eric Featherstone
On 28 June 2011 21:27, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote:
 Hi listers

 If you're not bothered by sailing, look away now

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUJfwwtYmoc

 A sad day for Gipsy Moth IV.

:-(

I've been down in Gosport since saturday doing my day skipper theory.
Stuck in a classroom I'd managed to miss that this had happened.

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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Bob S is pestering me because I said that I despise advertising when
I'm trying to look at photos in the discussion about photo.wreck.
He's evidently a lover of advertising and photo.wreck. Well, number
one ... this isn't looking at photos. It's looking at a youtube
video. So he's just being a PITA.

But more significantly, I don't see any advertising when I look at the
link I posted, in either FireFox or Safari. The screen capture shows
what I see. I don't have any adblockers installed either. So I'm very
curious as to what Bob is seeing, and why.

I know he's looking with a Windows system and I'm looking with a Mac
OS X system. What are you looking with? What browser?

G

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Checked your link again Godfrey, still playing the Dish TV ad first...  :-)
 Regards,  Bob S.

 Ok, Bob. You claim you see advertising when you click on the link I
 posted. Here's a direct screen recording when I click on the link in
 Google mail :

 http://gallery.me.com/godders#100344/Screen_Recordingbgcolor=black

 Do you see any advertising?
 Now show me what you see.

 Godfrey,

 What has your knickers in a twist over this?

 FWIW, I just clicked the original link and it starts with an ad.



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Re: PDML members: What is your SHARPEST lens?

2011-06-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Tim Bray wrote:

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Someone should run through the thread and tally the votes.

 I nominate Tim.

OK: 
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AogBdTEc87UVdGZqd2tGdjdiZDU5cDJ6cV9ZU2d5c2chl=en_USauthkey=CPSu6bAG

Think I need an FA77... -T

Late additions (my sharpest lenses):

Pentax FA 77 Ltd
Sigma 180mm f/3.5 macro
 
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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W wrote:

OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I
don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is
the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs
which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others,
so I won't go there. 

I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think
that works?

What's simply astonishing is that anyone is even using pop-up ads at
all in 2011. Research by the Norman/Nielsen group has shown that not
only do consumers *hate* pop-ups, they transfer that hatred to the
product. What's more, they also transfer the hatred to the site on
which the ads appear. This has been known since around 2003. 

I can only assume they're counting clicks rather than sales.
 
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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread steve harley

On 2011-06-28 15:08 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I know he's looking with a Windows system and I'm looking with a Mac
OS X system. What are you looking with? What browser?


fwiw, using Safari on Mac OS X 10.5.8 w/o Flash (so i get the HTML5 
version), i see no ad; but when i load YouTube up in Chrome sometimes 
and view Flash versions, i sometimes see preceding ads


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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:20 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 On 2011-06-28 15:08 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 I know he's looking with a Windows system and I'm looking with a Mac
 OS X system. What are you looking with? What browser?

 fwiw, using Safari on Mac OS X 10.5.8 w/o Flash (so i get the HTML5
 version), i see no ad; but when i load YouTube up in Chrome sometimes and
 view Flash versions, i sometimes see preceding ads

That's interesting. How do you have w/o Flash?

I just checked Safari's plug-ins and it lists
  Shockwave Flash 10.1 r102 — from file “Flash Player.plugin”
which is installed by default.

I'm running Safari 5.0.5 on Mac OS X 10.6.8. I don't know which
version (flash or HTML5) I'm seeing, how do you tell?, but it's the
same as what I see in Firefox.

Thanks for the info.
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Re: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Jun 28, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Bob W wrote:
 
 OK, I'm not forced to read or avoid the ads before I can get on the bus. I
 don't strongly object to sites, or buses, carrying ads, what I object to is
 the in-yer-face intrusive approach that photo.net have taken with theirs
 which spoils the experience of looking at your photos and those of others,
 so I won't go there. 
 
 I lose, you lose, photo.net loses, the advertisers lose. How can you think
 that works?
 
 What's simply astonishing is that anyone is even using pop-up ads at
 all in 2011. Research by the Norman/Nielsen group has shown that not
 only do consumers *hate* pop-ups, they transfer that hatred to the
 product. What's more, they also transfer the hatred to the site on
 which the ads appear. This has been known since around 2003. 
 
 I can only assume they're counting clicks rather than sales.

That is probably true. I haven't done any real research, but it seems that even 
many of the major news organizations use pop-up ads. I'm forever clicking ads 
out of the way it seems, and I have occasionally linked to one by accident. 
Perhaps we'll soon be rid of them. All of the web ads I've written in recent 
years have been banner style, although clients frequently ask to see pop-ups or 
other invasive page takeover concepts. But I've never had to produce one.
Paul


 
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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread P. J. Alling

Yes It's an add that Youtube inserts before the actual clip plays.

On 6/28/2011 4:30 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Your system is obviously possessed by demonic advertisers. Throw it
out, it's affecting your mind.

Does anyone else see advertising in this link?

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com  wrote:

Checked your link again Godfrey, still playing the Dish TV ad first...  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgigdigio...@gmail.com  wrote:

I see you insist on being an ass.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com  wrote:

Playing a Dish TV ad now...   ;-)
And the computer is a new Sony with IE software preloaded.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgigdigio...@gmail.com  wrote:

If you're seeing advertisements, it's a problem on your system with
whatever browser you're using. I've opened it four times, with both
with Safari or Firefox, and not seen a single advertisement .

Can't help such a corrupted system, Bob.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com  wrote:

Got a Nexus ad this time thru...  :-)  Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgigdigio...@gmail.com  wrote:

I didn't see any commercials, Bob. Besides, the whole piece is a
promotional/reportage bit.

Don't be an ass.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Bob Sullivanrf.sulli...@gmail.com  wrote:

What a pile of crap to connect to!  I had to watch a commercial before
I could get to any content.  Godfrey, how can you stand that.  :-)
Regards,  Bob S.

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgigdigio...@gmail.com  wrote:

At the Aussie photo show ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln91Hk_gccEfeature=youtube_gdata_player

looks like it's very close to production now.

Someone on DPR suggested it has in-focus confirmation and speculated
it might actually use the lens' RF cam to talk to the body. If so,
this will be the most sophisticated M lens adaptation to a digital cam
yet.

Of course, I also already have a Pentax M42 to Leica M bayonet adapter
so I can use my SMC Takumar 135/3.5 lens on it.

Excited... :)

Godfrey

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Cat photo

2011-06-28 Thread Mark Roberts
Our little friend Zephyr died Saturday ant age 17+
http://www.robertstech.com/temp/

I've always been more of a dog person myself, but since meeting Lisa
and her cats I've come to the conclusion that it's the owner and how
they raise the pet that makes the difference. Zephyr was the
friendliest, most affectionate cats I've ever known. He used to follow
me around like a puppy at times. He'd had chronic pancreatitis for
years and then eventually became diabetic, requiring twice-daily
insulin injections. He also has asthma, with occasional noisy
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RE: Photo.net no more

2011-06-28 Thread Bob W
It was, ahem, ad hominem...

 
 We can always count on Robb for a childish personal attack. How trite.
 
 On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:14 AM, William Robb wrote:
 
  On 27/06/2011 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
 
 
 
  No, I love ads.
 
  To a great extent, you are an ad.




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Re: OT Leica M lens module for Ricoh GXR

2011-06-28 Thread steve harley

On 2011-06-28 15:38 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

That's interesting. How do you have w/o Flash?


there are a few ways to do it, in my case i have the YouTube5 extension, 
which sends a user-agent string (i assume) to YouTube and Vimeo that 
convinces them Flash is not installed, so that they serve up the HTML5 
versions of the videos


for other sites, i am also using Click2Flash plug-in, which basically 
replaces all Flash with a script that allows me to load the Flash on 
demand, eliminating all Flash advertising (and a few hackish 
typographical and menu-type things); now and the i load flash in Safari, 
but usually i bump Flash-required sites over to Chrome, where each tab 
is a process so Flash can't kill the browser





I just checked Safari's plug-ins and it lists
   Shockwave Flash 10.1 r102 — from file “Flash Player.plugin”
which is installed by default.


i've got 10.2.159.1 fwiw; i have the current 10.3 installer queued up, 
and i'd be more fastidiously up-to-date if i hadn't hobbled Flash 
because of threats like these:


http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Adobe-Patches-XSS-ZeroDay-Flaw-in-Flash-Used-in-Google-Gmail-Attack-166249/

same shorter: http://bit.ly/kT7tsq



I'm running Safari 5.0.5 on Mac OS X 10.6.8. I don't know which
version (flash or HTML5) I'm seeing, how do you tell?, but it's the
same as what I see in Firefox.


when YouTube loads the HTML5 version, it displays a badge on the video 
that says something like use original player to revert to the Flash 
version (except on iOS); the controls are also a little different, but i 
don't recall exactly how




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Re: Cat photo

2011-06-28 Thread David J Brooks
That is sad to hear Mark. They do grow onus don't they.

Dave

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 Our little friend Zephyr died Saturday ant age 17+
 http://www.robertstech.com/temp/

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 they raise the pet that makes the difference. Zephyr was the
 friendliest, most affectionate cats I've ever known. He used to follow
 me around like a puppy at times. He'd had chronic pancreatitis for
 years and then eventually became diabetic, requiring twice-daily
 insulin injections. He also has asthma, with occasional noisy
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