Blurry pictures

2013-10-27 Thread Bob W
Yesterday's meet-up at the Photographers' Gallery for the Lartigue
exhibition, and the side-trip to the Tony Ray-Jones / Martin Parr show at
the Science Museum naturally brought to the fore some important questions
about the nature of Art-with-a-capital-A. 

I decided to apply my critical faculties to the pictures I took yesterday,
most of which are here, with accompanying pensées de l'artiste:
http://www.web-options.com/ArtQ/

Chris referred me to this year's Reith Lectures given by Grayson Perry, so I
read the transcripts when I got home. I urge you to do likewise, they are
very interesting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9

Meantime, here's some people dancin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2j8f7H2WY

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Re: Blurry pictures

2013-10-27 Thread Subash Jeyan
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 07:00:13 -
Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

 I decided to apply my critical faculties to the pictures I took
 yesterday, most of which are here, with accompanying pensées de
 l'artiste: http://www.web-options.com/ArtQ/

a little disappointed not to see a 'fart' in there somewhere (or did i
miss it?) but otherwise enjoyed seeing known faces from the PDML. :)

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Re: the lightroom/photoshop interface seems broken

2013-10-27 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 05:11:15PM -0700, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 You simply restated the same impossible thing. A DNG file is a raw file. 

I don't actually tremendously care whether the data is stored in the
Bayer representation with each color separated in an array that lightroom
can combine later. Or whether the color data is combined with the surrounding
pixels.  What I do want is that each pixel in the file has all fourteen
bits of data, from each of the three channels.  If you want to interpolate
the values for each color channel between actual Bayer elements, that's 
hunky dory.  My goal is to be able to combine the photos, using all of the 
data that's available and process the resulting image in the same way
that I can a raw file, raher than the defective way that Photoshop does 
it throwing away a tremendous amount of data. 


 
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  On Oct 26, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
  
  On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 06:51:43PM -0400, David Parsons wrote:
  You can't do that.  Creating the panorama requires that PS save the
  file as something other than RAW.  There's no such thing as a panorama
  RAW file because there are no panorama sensors.
  
  OK, let me rephrase that, I want to take several DNGs can combine them
  into a DNG panorama with all the data of the panos.
  
  
  After saving the file and having it reimport into LR, you can use any
  of the exposure adjustments on the file.
  
  On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
  I finally got things to the point that I could click on my photos,
  click on edit in- merge as a panorama in photoshop and it would
  collect them all into one, merged panorama.  However, not only does
  it throw away all of the adjustments that I did in lightroom, the
  psd file I get back, despite saying that it's a 16 bit file, seems
  to only have 8 bits of data, because all of the information in the
  shadows is lost.
  
  I can't even dial in my adjustments in camera raw, because the
  data seems to have been lost before it was combined into a panorama.
  
  What I *want* is for it to take the raw files, combine those into
  a panorama and return a panorama, high resolution raw file that I
  can then edit in lightroom.
  
  
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GESO: To London with Bob and Cotty

2013-10-27 Thread Chris Mitchell
Bob's already told you about the exhibitions. I preferred the Tony
Ray-Jones / Martin Parr one, but Lartigue was intriguing.

Some pictures here (the first 2 are taken with my Pentax A2.8 lens)
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/LondonOct13/

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Re: the lightroom/photoshop interface seems broken

2013-10-27 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 07:51:57PM -0400, David Parsons wrote:
 Still not possible, since DNG is a representation of RAW data before
 it has been demosaiced.
 
 What's wrong with simply using .PSD files?

Because when I apply the exposure corrections to the .PSD file
all of the data in the shadows has been lost, and when I increase
the exposure I get the same bizarre high contrast image I would from
a JPEG.

The image had both sunset lit clouds and rocks in shade, so it had
a tremendous dynamic range.  For each particular frame, I can process it
in lightroom to get something reasonable.

Let's take three pixels (in one color) shot at three different exposures.

If you had a 16 bit sensor the values would be (in hex, because it's easier
to do the math)

FFAA 0888 0055

We'll take three eight bit readings:

00FF 0008  -8 stops
00FF 0088 0005  0 stops
00FF 00F8 0055 +8 stops

It should be able to do the math, based on the exif data
and give me
FF00 0800 
FF00 0880 0050
FF00 0F80 0055

Then, throwing way the clipped values, that should get me
FF00 0880 0055

Giving me an image with 16 bits of range and 8 bits of precision.

Instead, what it is doing is the equivalent of raw data
that is
FFAA 0888 0555 
and giving me a pano with
00FF 0008 

 
 On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
  On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 06:51:43PM -0400, David Parsons wrote:
  You can't do that.  Creating the panorama requires that PS save the
  file as something other than RAW.  There's no such thing as a panorama
  RAW file because there are no panorama sensors.
 
  OK, let me rephrase that, I want to take several DNGs can combine them
  into a DNG panorama with all the data of the panos.
 
 
  After saving the file and having it reimport into LR, you can use any
  of the exposure adjustments on the file.
 
  On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
   I finally got things to the point that I could click on my photos,
   click on edit in- merge as a panorama in photoshop and it would
   collect them all into one, merged panorama.  However, not only does
   it throw away all of the adjustments that I did in lightroom, the
   psd file I get back, despite saying that it's a 16 bit file, seems
   to only have 8 bits of data, because all of the information in the
   shadows is lost.
  
   I can't even dial in my adjustments in camera raw, because the
   data seems to have been lost before it was combined into a panorama.
  
   What I *want* is for it to take the raw files, combine those into
   a panorama and return a panorama, high resolution raw file that I
   can then edit in lightroom.
  
  
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Re: Blurry pictures

2013-10-27 Thread Chris Mitchell
 I decided to apply my critical faculties to the pictures I took yesterday,
 most of which are here, with accompanying pensées de l'artiste:
 http://www.web-options.com/ArtQ/

 Chris referred me to this year's Reith Lectures given by Grayson Perry, so I
 read the transcripts when I got home. I urge you to do likewise, they are
 very interesting:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9

Shame you couldn't have got a they're smiling so it's probably not
art in there.

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Re: the lightroom/photoshop interface seems broken

2013-10-27 Thread Larry Colen
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 09:47:42PM -0400, Matthew Hunt wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  Still not possible, since DNG is a representation of RAW data before
  it has been demosaiced.
 
 DNG is capable of storing RGB data (I think the DNG output of Vuescan
 is basically that). It's basically a wrapper around TIFF.

 
 Hugin can assemble a panorama with multiple exposures for each
 position, and output stitched HDR (linear, non-tone-mapped) output,
 which I think is basically what Larry wants, but I have not had
 success using those files in Lightroom. I would guess the scaling
 convention is wrong, or something.

I am downloading it now, I'll give it a try.

I just assembled three panoramas. When I tried to process them in 
PS HDR, it said that they had to be the same size.  Of course, with a 
17,000 x 2,600 pixel photo, it seems impossible to have that fine of 
control over the dimensions.


 
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Re: In Honer of the World Series K-01

2013-10-27 Thread Chris Mitchell
Excellent shot Don. Did you tailgate?

Chris

On 22 October 2013 17:30, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote:
 Haven't shared much lately so here is something for baseball fans. Although
 even our out of country soccer fans might like it. I have no interest in the
 outcome of this year's contest since it has no teams I follow. So here's a
 salute to teams that did not make it.

 Taken with K-01 and Rokinon fisheye at Target Field.

 http://donspix.smugmug.com/Architecture/Buildings-Architecture/i-K3hrzzR/0/XL/Target%20Field%20MPLS%20MN%20%2027035-XL.jpg

  or

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/10424183654/

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Re: VESO: Something a little different - Aruba timelapse

2013-10-27 Thread Chris Mitchell
Well done and great choice of music. Will watch again!

Chris

On 25 October 2013 00:51, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 V for video.

 I've been playing around with timelapse and hyperlapse recently, and
 with my recent vacation to Aruba, I decided to make this video to
 occupy me (my 4th time to Aruba, and I can only spend so much time in
 the sun  :) ).

 All but two of the segments were taken with my K-5 either using the
 built-in invtervalometer or continuous shooting with a remote release.
  Two were shot with my iPhone 5 using a timelapse app (and then I
 broke the files down so I could match the processing).

 I'm pretty happy with how it turned out,

 http://youtu.be/wxGruraS88Q

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Re: End of an era

2013-10-27 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 26 October 2013 18:37, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Chris, I think that Pentax has several rather unique lenses (say, 50/1.2,
 either K or A - no matter) that could be well used on your Fuji cameras...

 But otherwise, I hear you.

There are a few gaps in the Fujinon range and the 28 f2.8 and 50 1.7
are useful as is a 135 3.5 I've got languishing in a cupboard. I don't
think I'll buy any more Pentax lenses though. I do intend to do some
film work with the MXes.

Chris

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Re: PESP - If Only !!

2013-10-27 Thread Chris Mitchell
Ha!

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 The table was full of cameras.

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Re: PESO - If Only !!

2013-10-27 Thread Bob Sullivan
That's cruel...

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Re: PESO - Awaiting Harvest

2013-10-27 Thread Bob Sullivan
Introduce those guys to some pesticides!
That's the worst looking corn I've ever seen.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 All around Lancaster County are fields of drying corn.  Amish teams with 
 horse-drawn machinery harvest the dried ears and then the stalks for animal 
 feed.  I couldn't get an action shot, but the backlit stalks one fine morning 
 attracted me:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17565349

 or

 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17565349-lg.jpg

 (K-5, DA 50-200)

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PESO: Showing the youngsters how it's done.

2013-10-27 Thread Alan C

12km into the Skukuza Half-Marathon on 3rd August.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/10511352746/

(Courtesy of Action Photo)

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Re: PESO - Awaiting Harvest

2013-10-27 Thread Richard Womer
The Amish have enough troubles without pesticides.

Rick

On Oct 27, 2013, at 08:02 , Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Introduce those guys to some pesticides!
 That's the worst looking corn I've ever seen.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
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 All around Lancaster County are fields of drying corn.  Amish teams with 
 horse-drawn machinery harvest the dried ears and then the stalks for animal 
 feed.  I couldn't get an action shot, but the backlit stalks one fine 
 morning attracted me:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17565349
 
 or
 
 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17565349-lg.jpg
 
 (K-5, DA 50-200)
 
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Re: GESO: To London with Bob and Cotty

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/10/13, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:

Bob's already told you about the exhibitions. I preferred the Tony
Ray-Jones / Martin Parr one, but Lartigue was intriguing.

Some pictures here (the first 2 are taken with my Pentax A2.8 lens)
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/LondonOct13/

Like this!

http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/LondonOct13/slides/DSCF5175.html


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Re: GESO: To London with Bob and Cotty

2013-10-27 Thread Richard Womer
Nice pix, Chris!  the first and fourth are my favor(u)rites.

Rick

On Oct 27, 2013, at 03:56 , Chris Mitchell wrote:

 Bob's already told you about the exhibitions. I preferred the Tony
 Ray-Jones / Martin Parr one, but Lartigue was intriguing.
 
 Some pictures here (the first 2 are taken with my Pentax A2.8 lens)
 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/LondonOct13/
 
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PESO: Snake-skin

2013-10-27 Thread Alan C

Snake-skin on our stoep this morning. The dog  cats were very agitated.
Hopefully from a non-venomous brown house snake. My garden helper said he 
saw a snake last week but his description wasn't conclusive.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/10511675215/

Perhaps I should have coiled it up?

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Re: Blurry pictures

2013-10-27 Thread Richard Womer
Hmmm…

So, Bob, was it delirium tremens, too much caffeine, or both when you were 
shooting?

Cheers,

Rick

On Oct 27, 2013, at 03:00 , Bob W wrote:

 Yesterday's meet-up at the Photographers' Gallery for the Lartigue
 exhibition, and the side-trip to the Tony Ray-Jones / Martin Parr show at
 the Science Museum naturally brought to the fore some important questions
 about the nature of Art-with-a-capital-A. 
 
 I decided to apply my critical faculties to the pictures I took yesterday,
 most of which are here, with accompanying pensées de l'artiste:
 http://www.web-options.com/ArtQ/
 
 Chris referred me to this year's Reith Lectures given by Grayson Perry, so I
 read the transcripts when I got home. I urge you to do likewise, they are
 very interesting:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9
 
 Meantime, here's some people dancin'
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2j8f7H2WY
 
 B
 
 
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Re: the lightroom/photoshop interface seems broken

2013-10-27 Thread Rob Studdert
Dedicated pano packages allow one set of the bracketed images to act
as the positional anchors for the stitching on each of the layers so
that they are in absolute registration when the layers are combined.
This of course assumes that the rig was on a steady tripod as the
brackets were exposed.

On 27 October 2013 20:22, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 09:47:42PM -0400, Matthew Hunt wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 7:51 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

  Still not possible, since DNG is a representation of RAW data before
  it has been demosaiced.

 DNG is capable of storing RGB data (I think the DNG output of Vuescan
 is basically that). It's basically a wrapper around TIFF.


 Hugin can assemble a panorama with multiple exposures for each
 position, and output stitched HDR (linear, non-tone-mapped) output,
 which I think is basically what Larry wants, but I have not had
 success using those files in Lightroom. I would guess the scaling
 convention is wrong, or something.

 I am downloading it now, I'll give it a try.

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PESO - Fire!

2013-10-27 Thread knarf
Quick grab:

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/10/fire.html?m=1

Very quick.

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Re: PESP - If Only !!

2013-10-27 Thread knarf
You're a sick bastard, you know that?

Cheers,
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The table was full of cameras.

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Re: PESO - Fire!

2013-10-27 Thread Bob W
I like that. - it looks like a toy fire engine.

B

 On 27 Oct 2013, at 12:51, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Quick grab:
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/10/fire.html?m=1
 
 Very quick.
 
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Re: Blurry pictures

2013-10-27 Thread Bob W
Whaddaya mean?! It's Art!!

B

 On 27 Oct 2013, at 12:46, Richard Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Hmmm…
 
 So, Bob, was it delirium tremens, too much caffeine, or both when you were 
 shooting?
 
 Cheers,
 
 Rick
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 03:00 , Bob W wrote:
 
 Yesterday's meet-up at the Photographers' Gallery for the Lartigue
 exhibition, and the side-trip to the Tony Ray-Jones / Martin Parr show at
 the Science Museum naturally brought to the fore some important questions
 about the nature of Art-with-a-capital-A. 
 
 I decided to apply my critical faculties to the pictures I took yesterday,
 most of which are here, with accompanying pensées de l'artiste:
 http://www.web-options.com/ArtQ/
 
 Chris referred me to this year's Reith Lectures given by Grayson Perry, so I
 read the transcripts when I got home. I urge you to do likewise, they are
 very interesting:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9
 
 Meantime, here's some people dancin'
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2j8f7H2WY
 
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Re: PESP - If Only !!

2013-10-27 Thread Attila Boros
Nice menu! I wonder what you had for dessert:)

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PESO - George Pegs the Rail

2013-10-27 Thread knarf
I wasn't going to post this (as I've posted so many bmx freestyle shots of 
late) but I am extremely excited to find out this morning that photos with 
bicycles in them are ~automatically~ deemed art!

http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/10/george-pegs-rail.html?m=1

I have so many bike shots I ~must~ be an artist.

Yay!

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Re: PESO - Fire!

2013-10-27 Thread Attila Boros
Good panning! I like the bright red color.

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 I like that. - it looks like a toy fire engine.

 B

 On 27 Oct 2013, at 12:51, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 Quick grab:

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/10/fire.html?m=1

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Re: In Honer of the World Series K-01

2013-10-27 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
 It just isn't cricket.

 Alan

Thank Goodness!

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Re: the lightroom/photoshop interface seems broken

2013-10-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Oct 27, 2013, at 12:40 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 … What I do want is that each pixel in the file has all fourteen bits of 
 data, from each of the three channels. … 

I think you're confused. 

14 bit is the output quantization space used by the A-D converter when 
transforming the image date from sensor capture to raw storage. The data is 
never represented in that form in any RGB component rendering. 

The minimum loss post-chroma interpolation and gamma correction is represented 
in an RGB-component file with 16-bits per component and ProPhoto RGB color 
space. So, if you want the minimum losses for panorama assembly, convert the 
data to TIFF 16bit, making your best adjustments to retain all the tonal 
gradations, then hand that off to the panorama stitching engine if it can 
accept that kind of data. 

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Re: PESO: Snake-skin

2013-10-27 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It makes an interesting abstract against the pavers.

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 Snake-skin on our stoep this morning. The dog  cats were very agitated.
 Hopefully from a non-venomous brown house snake. My garden helper said he
 saw a snake last week but his description wasn't conclusive.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/10511675215/

 Perhaps I should have coiled it up?

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Re: PESO - Fire!

2013-10-27 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice job of panning!
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 Quick grab:

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Re: PESO - George Pegs the Rail

2013-10-27 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice action shot!
His helmet looks just like a tree.  G

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 bicycles in them are ~automatically~ deemed art!

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/10/george-pegs-rail.html?m=1

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Re: GESO: To London with Bob and Cotty

2013-10-27 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nice set.

That pink bike would go great with a pink Pentax.  G

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On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Chris Mitchell
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 Bob's already told you about the exhibitions. I preferred the Tony
 Ray-Jones / Martin Parr one, but Lartigue was intriguing.

 Some pictures here (the first 2 are taken with my Pentax A2.8 lens)
 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/LondonOct13/

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Re: Blurry pictures

2013-10-27 Thread knarf
Sadly I couldn't listen to the Grayson Perry lecture on my android as a bbc app 
that is not available here is required. Did manage to listen to a truncated 
version on Youtube and what I heard/saw was quite interesting. 

As you may know I struggle greatly with the concept of art/artist. Hearing him 
say (if I understood him) that a small cadre of intellectuals 
(pseudo-intellectuals?) control the definition of art, decide what is/isn't art 
and obfuscate the whole mish-mash with purposefully impenetrable language kind 
of confirms what I've suspected all along.

But as I said, maybe I missed his point.

As I've said before it's gotten to the point that (to paraphrase a US senator's 
definition of pornogrpahy), I can't define art but I know it when I see it.

I get to define or decide if something's art ~for me~ but so does everyone else.

Anyway, sounds like you gents must have had a wonderful day and a very 
interesting discussion afterwards (while sharpening the daggers to plunge into 
the hearts of us Pentaxians). Seriously, lovely cameras and I still lust for  
X100.

I thoroughly enjoyed your photos with wry comments. As mentioned in another 
post, it's a real boost to realize that since I'm a photographer of black and 
white bicycle photos I must be an artist!

:O

Cheers 
frank


Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
Yesterday's meet-up at the Photographers' Gallery for the Lartigue
exhibition, and the side-trip to the Tony Ray-Jones / Martin Parr show
at
the Science Museum naturally brought to the fore some important
questions
about the nature of Art-with-a-capital-A. 

I decided to apply my critical faculties to the pictures I took
yesterday,
most of which are here, with accompanying pensées de l'artiste:
http://www.web-options.com/ArtQ/

Chris referred me to this year's Reith Lectures given by Grayson Perry,
so I
read the transcripts when I got home. I urge you to do likewise, they
are
very interesting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9

Meantime, here's some people dancin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2j8f7H2WY

B

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Re: PESO: Snake-skin

2013-10-27 Thread knarf
I know a pentaxian and former list member (maybe lurking?) who could put that 
to good use.

Hello, Cesar?   :-)

Actually I think he needs actual snakeskin, not molted skin. I just can't hear 
or read the word snakeskin without thinking of Cesar and his LXen.

Like your photo, btw. Nice textures, interesting subject.

Cheers,
frank

Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
Snake-skin on our stoep this morning. The dog  cats were very
agitated.
Hopefully from a non-venomous brown house snake. My garden helper said
he 
saw a snake last week but his description wasn't conclusive.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/10511675215/

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Re: Blurry pictures

2013-10-27 Thread Bruce Walker
That's a hoot but also instructional. Thank you for helping to settle
the question once and for all.

(I too was expecting fart. Next time?)


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 Yesterday's meet-up at the Photographers' Gallery for the Lartigue
 exhibition, and the side-trip to the Tony Ray-Jones / Martin Parr show at
 the Science Museum naturally brought to the fore some important questions
 about the nature of Art-with-a-capital-A.

 I decided to apply my critical faculties to the pictures I took yesterday,
 most of which are here, with accompanying pensées de l'artiste:
 http://www.web-options.com/ArtQ/

 Chris referred me to this year's Reith Lectures given by Grayson Perry, so I
 read the transcripts when I got home. I urge you to do likewise, they are
 very interesting:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9

 Meantime, here's some people dancin'
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2j8f7H2WY

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Re: PESO - Awaiting Harvest

2013-10-27 Thread knarf
Oi!

Don't get me started on pesticides and modern industrial farming.

;-)

Cheers,
frank

Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Introduce those guys to some pesticides!
That's the worst looking corn I've ever seen.
Regards,  Bob S.

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wrote:
 All around Lancaster County are fields of drying corn.  Amish teams
with horse-drawn machinery harvest the dried ears and then the stalks
for animal feed.  I couldn't get an action shot, but the backlit stalks
one fine morning attracted me:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17565349

 or

 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17565349-lg.jpg

 (K-5, DA 50-200)

 Comments?

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Re: PESO - Awaiting Harvest

2013-10-27 Thread knarf
I don't know why but I really like this!

So dark, almost evil feeling - and I usually don't like dark and evil.

The textures, composition, muted colours, I find it all very compelling.

Terrific photo!

Cheers,
frank

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All around Lancaster County are fields of drying corn.  Amish teams
with horse-drawn machinery harvest the dried ears and then the stalks
for animal feed.  I couldn't get an action shot, but the backlit stalks
one fine morning attracted me:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17565349

or

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17565349-lg.jpg

(K-5, DA 50-200)

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Re: OT: Audio recording on the cheap

2013-10-27 Thread J.C. O'Connell
FWIW, for all my digital recording on the PC, I use an application 
called Goldwave.

Its highly versatile, intuiative, and inexpensive. (only $40). recommended.




On 10/26/2013 7:32 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

Hey I'm late to the party but another satisfied Zoom + Audacity user
here and I have had access to all sorts of great recording gear and
software.


On 27 October 2013 02:52, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

On 10/26/2013 9:22 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:


On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 2:07 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

Dunno about the mic, but Audacity is a great mixing software. Free,
too.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/


Agree with Audacity. An excellent piece of freeware. I'd recommend the
Zoom range of portable digital recorders. Quality mics and SD card.
I've got the more up market H4N, but there's one to suit every budget.

Agree with Audacity and especially the Zoom recorders. Super flexible,
great fidelity. Sensitive, near studio quality mics inside. I bought
an H2 for my wife who has used it extensively over the last few years
for doing interviews and during practice sessions for her CD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_H2

Another Audacity/Zoom H2 user here, since 2005.

I recently added an Olympus LS-7 PCM Linear recorder to my bag too. It's
much smaller, lighter; the sound quality is right there with the Zoom and
the controls are a little nicer.

G

Thanks for the suggestions, Bruce, Chris and Godfrey.

I'll do a little comparison shopping and see where I land on the options.
I've still got some practicing to do, as my strumming and singing are still
a tad halting when I try to do them together, so I have a little time. But
I'm making much better progress than I'd expected. In fact, I think my
guitar playing by itself is better than it was when I stopped years ago.
But, I never sang in front of anyone until about a year ago, let alone try
to play and sing at the same time.

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Re: OT: Audio recording on the cheap

2013-10-27 Thread J.C. O'Connell

update: goldwave was $40 when I bought it about 10 years ago, its $59 now.


On 10/27/2013 10:50 AM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
FWIW, for all my digital recording on the PC, I use an application 
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Its highly versatile, intuiative, and inexpensive. (only $40). 
recommended.





On 10/26/2013 7:32 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

Hey I'm late to the party but another satisfied Zoom + Audacity user
here and I have had access to all sorts of great recording gear and
software.


On 27 October 2013 02:52, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

On 10/26/2013 9:22 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On Oct 26, 2013, at 5:16 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com 
wrote:



On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 2:07 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

Dunno about the mic, but Audacity is a great mixing software. Free,
too.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Agree with Audacity. An excellent piece of freeware. I'd 
recommend the

Zoom range of portable digital recorders. Quality mics and SD card.
I've got the more up market H4N, but there's one to suit every 
budget.
Agree with Audacity and especially the Zoom recorders. Super 
flexible,

great fidelity. Sensitive, near studio quality mics inside. I bought
an H2 for my wife who has used it extensively over the last few years
for doing interviews and during practice sessions for her CD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_H2

Another Audacity/Zoom H2 user here, since 2005.

I recently added an Olympus LS-7 PCM Linear recorder to my bag too. 
It's
much smaller, lighter; the sound quality is right there with the 
Zoom and

the controls are a little nicer.

G

Thanks for the suggestions, Bruce, Chris and Godfrey.

I'll do a little comparison shopping and see where I land on the 
options.
I've still got some practicing to do, as my strumming and singing 
are still
a tad halting when I try to do them together, so I have a little 
time. But

I'm making much better progress than I'd expected. In fact, I think my
guitar playing by itself is better than it was when I stopped years 
ago.
But, I never sang in front of anyone until about a year ago, let 
alone try

to play and sing at the same time.

-- Walt


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Re: LED on camera light

2013-10-27 Thread Mark C

HI Ken -

I bought a Bolt VM-110 LED Ringllight for macro work earlier this year. 
I have to say that I found it to be of marginal use for outdoor macros. 
It says it is GN 15' @ ISO 100. I figured that would be bright enough 
but it falls short even for fill light in bright sun. By contrast, the 
relatively low powered AF360FGZ is GN 98.5 @ ISO 100. Not sure of the GN 
on those models you are considering.


I bought the Bolt to use with the Q. One of its limitations is that when 
using a lens without a leaf shutter, the body can only synch the 
electronic shutter with a flash at 1/3rd of a second. I got the Bolt 
light in hopes of circumventing this limitation when using the K mount 
adapter, but it is of limited use.


Mark

On 10/24/2013 5:03 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Any comments/experiences with these

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting 



I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations.


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Re: PESO - George Pegs the Rail

2013-10-27 Thread Brendan MacRae
Good one, Frank!

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nice action shot!
 His helmet looks just like a tree.  G

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 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:08 AM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 I wasn't going to post this (as I've posted so many bmx freestyle shots of 
 late) but I am extremely excited to find out this morning that photos with 
 bicycles in them are ~automatically~ deemed art!

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/10/george-pegs-rail.html?m=1

 I have so many bike shots I ~must~ be an artist.

 Yay!

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Re: PESO - Woodpile 2

2013-10-27 Thread Richard Womer
If only…

I spent every afternoon during the fall splitting firewood… having spent the 
whole summer paddling canoes and rowing boats… and still remained scrawny.  

Rick


On Oct 27, 2013, at 00:42 , Alan C wrote:

 And bodybuilding as the article says!
 
 Alan
 
 -Original Message- From: Richard Womer
 Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:56 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: PESO - Woodpile 2
 
 Me too, actually.
 
 I like the article!  As a teenager in semi-rural Connecticut, I earned my
 spending money splitting firewood with a maul, wedge, and sledgehammer.
 People would have trees taken down and cut into 2-foot logs, then hire me to
 make firewood out of them.  Excellent for discharging aggressive impulses!
 
 Rick
 
 On Oct 26, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:
 
 I like the first one better too.
 
 Considering your subject, have you happened upon this?
 
 http://www.norwaypost.no/index.php/component/content/article/27833
 
 Jostein
 
 -Opprinnelig melding- From: Richard Womer
 Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 4:23 AM
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 Subject: PESO - Woodpile 2
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17565343
 
 or
 
 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17565343-lg.jpg
 
 (K-5, DA 16-45)
 
 Comments?
 
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Re: VESO: Something a little different - Aruba timelapse

2013-10-27 Thread Brendan MacRae
Well done, David. The opening shot is especially nice!

-Brendan

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:56 AM, Chris Mitchell
chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 Well done and great choice of music. Will watch again!

 Chris

 On 25 October 2013 00:51, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote:
 V for video.

 I've been playing around with timelapse and hyperlapse recently, and
 with my recent vacation to Aruba, I decided to make this video to
 occupy me (my 4th time to Aruba, and I can only spend so much time in
 the sun  :) ).

 All but two of the segments were taken with my K-5 either using the
 built-in invtervalometer or continuous shooting with a remote release.
  Two were shot with my iPhone 5 using a timelapse app (and then I
 broke the files down so I could match the processing).

 I'm pretty happy with how it turned out,

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Re: PESO - Fire!

2013-10-27 Thread Richard Womer
Great panning on this one, Frank.  I like it.

Rick

On Oct 27, 2013, at 08:51 , knarf wrote:

 Quick grab:
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2013/10/fire.html?m=1
 
 Very quick.
 
 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome.
 
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Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Eric Weir

I’ve now had a couple experiences with my new K-5. The first was just 
experimenting in a walk in my neighborhood. The second was at a regional cross 
country championship meet which the team from the high school in the community 
in which I used to work was favored to win and did. 

From the first I could see that I will eventually get to the place where I can 
take much better photos with this camera. The second was pretty discouraging, 
though, though again strictly regarding my technique, not the camera. Two 
problems: 

[1] I was focusing manually. I tried to set focus up ahead of time at each of 
the two locations from which I was shooting to increase my chances for getting 
at least a few sharp shots, but I didn’t get one. 

[2] It was early morning with lots of shade. The auto ISO setting ranged 
between 2200 and 3200---I didn’t realize until I turned the camera on at this 
shoot that it had an auto ISO feature—so there was a lot of noise. I had more 
success reducing it in Lightroom than I had had previously with images created 
with the *ist DS, but combined with the lack of focus the result was 
disappointing.

The takeaway goes without saying: Much, much more experience. Learning the 
camera. Learning photography. Developing a technique. Not a lot of time left 
for that, but I’ll give it as much as I can. 

Regards,
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Re: GESO: To London with Bob and Cotty

2013-10-27 Thread Eric Weir

On Oct 27, 2013, at 8:38 AM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

 On 27/10/13, Chris Mitchell, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Bob's already told you about the exhibitions. I preferred the Tony
 Ray-Jones / Martin Parr one, but Lartigue was intriguing.
 
 Some pictures here (the first 2 are taken with my Pentax A2.8 lens)
 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/LondonOct13/
 
 Like this!
 
 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/LondonOct13/slides/DSCF5175.html

Me, too.

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Re: Blurry pictures

2013-10-27 Thread Bob W
On 27 Oct 2013, at 14:07, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sadly I couldn't listen to the Grayson Perry lecture on my android as a bbc 
 app that is not available here is required. Did manage to listen to a 
 truncated version on Youtube and what I heard/saw was quite interesting. 

It's worth reading the transcripts, which you'll find on the same site. He's 
basically talking about the institutional theory of art. The main criticism of 
that theory is that it doesn't give any clues as to what criteria the art world 
has for deciding whether something is in or out. There are 2 more lectures to 
appear.

 
 As you may know I struggle greatly with the concept of art/artist. Hearing 
 him say (if I understood him) that a small cadre of intellectuals 
 (pseudo-intellectuals?) control the definition of art, decide what is/isn't 
 art and obfuscate the whole mish-mash with purposefully impenetrable language 
 kind of confirms what I've suspected all along.
 
 But as I said, maybe I missed his point.

Not at all - that's the institutional theory.

 
 As I've said before it's gotten to the point that (to paraphrase a US 
 senator's definition of pornogrpahy), I can't define art but I know it when 
 I see it.
 
 I get to define or decide if something's art ~for me~ but so does everyone 
 else.
 

One of the interesting questions for me is, why do people care? Calling 
something art, whether it's good or bad, carries with it some notion of value, 
but the object or performance or whatever is not changed. One of the points 
that GP makes is that most of what we see today as new art is dross, and nobody 
should be embarrassed to say so. By and large the good stuff survives, and the 
dross from bygone ages is forgotten. Most of what we see in galleries today 
will be forgotten. Occasionally forgotten greats are rediscovered, such as 
Vermeer, but most of the stuff that sinks into obscurity does so deservedly.

 Anyway, sounds like you gents must have had a wonderful day and a very 
 interesting discussion afterwards (while sharpening the daggers to plunge 
 into the hearts of us Pentaxians). Seriously, lovely cameras and I still lust 
 for  X100.

I hope you get one sometime - you'd enjoy it.

 
 I thoroughly enjoyed your photos with wry comments. As mentioned in another 
 post, it's a real boost to realize that since I'm a photographer of black and 
 white bicycle photos I must be an artist!

Thanks. Bicycles are a good shape. I bought a cheap second-hand one, which 
happens to be black and white, today to tide me over until my Roberts is 
repaired.

B

 
 :O
 
 Cheers 
 frank
 
 
 Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 
 I decided to apply my critical faculties to the pictures I took
 yesterday,
 most of which are here, with accompanying pensées de l'artiste:
 http://www.web-options.com/ArtQ/
 
 Chris referred me to this year's Reith Lectures given by Grayson Perry,
 so I
 read the transcripts when I got home. I urge you to do likewise, they
 are
 very interesting:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9

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Re: Blurry pictures

2013-10-27 Thread Bob W
On 27 Oct 2013, at 14:25, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's a hoot but also instructional. Thank you for helping to settle
 the question once and for all.

Yes, it was pretty easy really. Don't know why it's taken so long.

 
 (I too was expecting fart. Next time?)

Too obvious!

B
 
 
 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 Yesterday's meet-up at the Photographers' Gallery for the Lartigue
 exhibition, and the side-trip to the Tony Ray-Jones / Martin Parr show at
 the Science Museum naturally brought to the fore some important questions
 about the nature of Art-with-a-capital-A.
 
 I decided to apply my critical faculties to the pictures I took yesterday,
 most of which are here, with accompanying pensées de l'artiste:
 http://www.web-options.com/ArtQ/
 
 Chris referred me to this year's Reith Lectures given by Grayson Perry, so I
 read the transcripts when I got home. I urge you to do likewise, they are
 very interesting:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9
 
 Meantime, here's some people dancin'
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cs2j8f7H2WY
 
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Re: Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Use autofocus and choose a single point that you can locate on a runner's head 
as you pan. Set ISO to 800 or 1600 and shoot in TV mode at 1/500th. Bingo.

Paul via phone

 On Oct 27, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
 I’ve now had a couple experiences with my new K-5. The first was just 
 experimenting in a walk in my neighborhood. The second was at a regional 
 cross country championship meet which the team from the high school in the 
 community in which I used to work was favored to win and did. 
 
 From the first I could see that I will eventually get to the place where I 
 can take much better photos with this camera. The second was pretty 
 discouraging, though, though again strictly regarding my technique, not the 
 camera. Two problems: 
 
 [1] I was focusing manually. I tried to set focus up ahead of time at each of 
 the two locations from which I was shooting to increase my chances for 
 getting at least a few sharp shots, but I didn’t get one. 
 
 [2] It was early morning with lots of shade. The auto ISO setting ranged 
 between 2200 and 3200---I didn’t realize until I turned the camera on at this 
 shoot that it had an auto ISO feature—so there was a lot of noise. I had more 
 success reducing it in Lightroom than I had had previously with images 
 created with the *ist DS, but combined with the lack of focus the result was 
 disappointing.
 
 The takeaway goes without saying: Much, much more experience. Learning the 
 camera. Learning photography. Developing a technique. Not a lot of time left 
 for that, but I’ll give it as much as I can. 
 
 Regards,
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PESO - Elegance

2013-10-27 Thread Bruce Walker
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10481880253/

A _very_ different look from the previous one of
photographer-turned-model-for-a-day Alina Antoniou. This was Alina's
very first session as a model. I thought we worked very well together.

Lighting: Pentax AF540FGZ flash in Westcott 28 Medium Apollo, boomed overhead.

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Re: Blurry pictures

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/10/13, knarf, discombobulated, unleashed:

Anyway, sounds like you gents must have had a wonderful day and a very
interesting discussion afterwards (while sharpening the daggers to
plunge into the hearts of us Pentaxians). Seriously, lovely cameras and
I still lust for  X100.

After trying Bob's X100 with the new firmware, I am lusting too! The
manual focus actually works now.


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Re: Can't run photoshop

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 26/10/13, steve harley, discombobulated, unleashed:

but for those waiting in the wings, i would let the dust settle before 
upgrading to 10.9 (still running 10.7 myself)

10.6.8 ;-)

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Re: Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Eric Weir

On Oct 27, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 Use autofocus and choose a single point that you can locate on a runner's 
 head as you pan. Set ISO to 800 or 1600 and shoot in TV mode at 1/500th. 
 Bingo.
 
Thanks, Paul. [1] I’ll have to buy an autofocus lens. [In spite of my desire to 
learn to focus manually, recommendations? By I guess nearly everyone’s 
standards here, it would have to be cheap—very cheap.] [2] Not possible 
manually? 

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Re: Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Eric Weir

On Oct 27, 2013, at 2:12 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 The auto ISO setting ranged between 2200 and 3200---I didn’t realize until I 
 turned the camera on at this shoot that it had an auto ISO feature….

Just figured out that I had the camera on TAv. I though I had it on Tv.

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Re: Can't run photoshop

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 26/10/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

When I got my mac mini, I just copied everything from my old iMac.
This is the first time since getting it that I've tried to run photoshop.
I'm trying to combine several files into a panorama from lightroom 4 using
photoshop CS5, but it isn't letting me do it.  Photoshop won't even launch
on it's own.  

Hmm, wouldn't advise just copying across when setting up a new Mac. You
need to use Migration Assistant, or SuperDuper! which I have been using
for years, is well supported and works flawlessly.

http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html

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Re: Can't run photoshop

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 26/10/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

OK, I just copied it for values of just copied being run migration
assistant

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Re: K-3 Video on Youtube

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
Guys, I think any video posted in this day and age has to be subjected
to a certain amount of salt pinchage. Doesn't the fact that the word
'Ricoh' emblazoned on the end give any clues as the nature of the agenda here?

Clearly the content is not strictly unbiased journalism - far from it.
But as a piece of video depicting some guy photographing a model using
branded hardware, it stands just fine, surely.

Personally I'd wait til http://www.youtube.com/user/DigitalRevCom has
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Re: PESP - If Only !!

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/10/13, knarf, discombobulated, unleashed:

You're a sick bastard, you know that?

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Re: Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Sure it's possible manually. We all did it that way. And you have the right 
idea: prefocus on a spot on the track. But it takes practice. Keep at it. In 
terms of autofocus, the da50-200 is an excellent inexpensive lens.

Paul via phone

 On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Use autofocus and choose a single point that you can locate on a runner's 
 head as you pan. Set ISO to 800 or 1600 and shoot in TV mode at 1/500th. 
 Bingo.
 
 Thanks, Paul. [1] I’ll have to buy an autofocus lens. [In spite of my desire 
 to learn to focus manually, recommendations? By I guess nearly everyone’s 
 standards here, it would have to be cheap—very cheap.] [2] Not possible 
 manually? 
 
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Re: PESO - Elegance

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/10/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10481880253/

A _very_ different look from the previous one of
photographer-turned-model-for-a-day Alina Antoniou. This was Alina's
very first session as a model. I thought we worked very well together.

Lighting: Pentax AF540FGZ flash in Westcott 28 Medium Apollo, boomed
overhead.


VERY nice :-) not sure about the cardboard box though ;-)
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Re: Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Eric Weir

On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:

  [1] I’ll have to buy an autofocus lens. [In spite of my desire to learn to 
 focus manually, recommendations? By I guess nearly everyone’s standards here, 
 it would have to be cheap—very cheap.] 

What about this?: 50-200 F4-5.6 SMC DA ED WR.

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Re: Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Excellent choice.

Paul via phone

 On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 [1] I’ll have to buy an autofocus lens. [In spite of my desire to learn to 
 focus manually, recommendations? By I guess nearly everyone’s standards 
 here, it would have to be cheap—very cheap.]
 
 What about this?: 50-200 F4-5.6 SMC DA ED WR.
 
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 Decatur, GA  USA
 eew...@bellsouth.net
 
 We have different explanations. So what?
 
 - Brother Shankara
 
 
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Re: PESO - Elegance

2013-10-27 Thread Attila Boros
Deja vu:) It's certainly very different and seems you had a lot of fun
experimenting. Light is spot on as usual and the dress suits her well.
Don't care about the cardboard box, but I'd like the background
completely white.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 27/10/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10481880253/

A _very_ different look from the previous one of
photographer-turned-model-for-a-day Alina Antoniou. This was Alina's
very first session as a model. I thought we worked very well together.

Lighting: Pentax AF540FGZ flash in Westcott 28 Medium Apollo, boomed
overhead.


 VERY nice :-) not sure about the cardboard box though ;-)
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Re: Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Eric Weir

On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 Excellent choice.

Thanks, Paul. It’s affordable. And it’s not huge.

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Re: End of an era

2013-10-27 Thread mike wilson
On 26/10/2013, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:

 that one-off auto focus
 lens; a real museum piece.

Was just given one of those last week.  Now to find the ME-F.

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Re: Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yes, a good buy. But huge is never an obstacle for a committed photographer.

Paul via phone

 On Oct 27, 2013, at 4:17 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Excellent choice.
 
 Thanks, Paul. It’s affordable. And it’s not huge.
 
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Re: FSF: It is Friday in Leningrad (85mm f1.8 A 35-105mm f3.5 Macro)

2013-10-27 Thread Darren Addy
Update: both lenses are now sold. Thanks!

On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 10:48 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 The link as provided previously did not work. This should.

 On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Secondly, I've got a stack-o-primes Pentax-A 35-105mm f3.5.

 Why do you call it “stack-o-primes”? Because it’s as good as a prime at each 
 focal length?

 Anyway, I have it. Used it to shoot a very lively candidate forum a couple 
 weeks ago in the community where I used to work. Got some pretty good shots 
 in relatively low-light with my DS. 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/eeweir/10142047436/in/set-72157636298108246/ 
 [A mixed bag for this group. Not for the original audience.] Woulda been a 
 lot better with the K-5.

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Re: GESO: To London with Bob and Cotty

2013-10-27 Thread mike wilson
On 27/10/2013, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 Bob's already told you about the exhibitions. I preferred the Tony
 Ray-Jones / Martin Parr one, but Lartigue was intriguing.

 Some pictures here (the first 2 are taken with my Pentax A2.8 lens)
 http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/LondonOct13/

http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/LondonOct13/slides/DSCF5206.html

Ars longa.

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Re: PESO - Elegance

2013-10-27 Thread Bruce Walker
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 27/10/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10481880253/

A _very_ different look from the previous one of
photographer-turned-model-for-a-day Alina Antoniou. This was Alina's
very first session as a model. I thought we worked very well together.

Lighting: Pentax AF540FGZ flash in Westcott 28 Medium Apollo, boomed
overhead.


 VERY nice :-) not sure about the cardboard box though ;-)

Thanks, Steve. It's actually a 3/4 plywood box weighing about 40 lbs.
We were shooting in an exercise room; our choices of props was limited
to kettle weights, therapy balls in various colours, and
weight-lifting stuff. And the big box. :-)

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Re: PESO - Elegance

2013-10-27 Thread Bruce Walker
Thanks, Attila.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 Deja vu:) It's certainly very different and seems you had a lot of fun
 experimenting. Light is spot on as usual and the dress suits her well.
 Don't care about the cardboard box, but I'd like the background
 completely white.

 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 On 27/10/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10481880253/

A _very_ different look from the previous one of
photographer-turned-model-for-a-day Alina Antoniou. This was Alina's
very first session as a model. I thought we worked very well together.

Lighting: Pentax AF540FGZ flash in Westcott 28 Medium Apollo, boomed
overhead.


 VERY nice :-) not sure about the cardboard box though ;-)
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PDML stand for...

2013-10-27 Thread Richard Womer
In view of Chris Mitchell's recent defection, and as we become a more diverse 
group in our photo equipment, I'm wondering if PDML really does denote Pentax 
Discuss Mail List.

It might, instead, stand for:

Pentax Diaspora Mail List
Pentax Death Mourning League
Pentax Disgust/Despair/Desertion Mail List
Pentax Defectors Mail List
Photographers Desiring More Leicas

Or….?

Rick
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Re: Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Jack Davis
It is an excellent choice, as Paul says. Another, probably more versatile 
over time, would be the DA 16~45 f/4. A constant aperture lens which delivers 
extremely nice results. It's been discontinued, but check with KEH on a regular 
basis and chances are you'll find one.

Jack



From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
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Subject: Re: Initial experiences with K-5


Excellent choice.

Paul via phone

 On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 [1] I’ll have to buy an autofocus lens. [In spite of my desire to learn to 
 focus manually, recommendations? By I guess nearly everyone’s standards 
 here, it would have to be cheap—very cheap.]
 
 What about this?: 50-200 F4-5.6 SMC DA ED WR.
 
 --
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 Decatur, GA  USA
 eew...@bellsouth.net
 
 We have different explanations. So what?
 
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Re: K-3 Video on Youtube

2013-10-27 Thread Bill

On 26/10/2013 10:30 PM, Rob Studdert wrote:

We are good detectors of smarm factor I guess.


Perhaps. To me it just looked like an infomercial with a cute girl.

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Re: PESO - Elegance

2013-10-27 Thread knarf
That's a lovely, exotic photo!

Cheers,
frank

Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/10481880253/

A _very_ different look from the previous one of
photographer-turned-model-for-a-day Alina Antoniou. This was Alina's
very first session as a model. I thought we worked very well together.

Lighting: Pentax AF540FGZ flash in Westcott 28 Medium Apollo, boomed
overhead.

Comments welcome.

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Re: K-3 Video on Youtube

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/10/13, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

Perhaps. To me it just looked like an infomercial with a cute girl.

lol

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Re: PDML stand for...

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/10/13, Richard Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:

In view of Chris Mitchell's recent defection, and as we become a more
diverse group in our photo equipment, I'm wondering if PDML really does
denote Pentax Discuss Mail List.

It might, instead, stand for:

Pentax Diaspora Mail List
Pentax Death Mourning League
Pentax Disgust/Despair/Desertion Mail List
Pentax Defectors Mail List
Photographers Desiring More Leicas

Or?

Pentax Does Mean Denial

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Re: PESO - Elegance

2013-10-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/10/13, Bruce Walker, discombobulated, unleashed:

And the big box. :-)

Just photoshop those lighter edges to match the rest of it and I'll buy ;-)

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K-3 Vs. D600

2013-10-27 Thread Dario Bonazza

http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/default.asp?newsID=5438news=pentax+K-3+Nikon+D600+head+to+head+comparison+Pentax+wins

I'm not interested in discussing minor details for deciding which is best. I 
think the possibility of such a discussion is already a strong answer.


Dario 



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Re: PDML stand for...

2013-10-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 10/27/2013 18:04, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 27/10/13, Richard Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:


In view of Chris Mitchell's recent defection, and as we become a more
diverse group in our photo equipment, I'm wondering if PDML really does
denote Pentax Discuss Mail List.

It might, instead, stand for:

Pentax Diaspora Mail List
Pentax Death Mourning League
Pentax Disgust/Despair/Desertion Mail List
Pentax Defectors Mail List
Photographers Desiring More Leicas

Or?


Pentax Does Mean Denial


you're cheating, Cotty - last word has to start with L

Punsters Do Make list

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Re: K-3 Vs. D600

2013-10-27 Thread Zos Xavius
http://evan-theelectricalengineer.blogspot.com/

D800 vs Nokia 808

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Dario Bonazza
dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/default.asp?newsID=5438news=pentax+K-3+Nikon+D600+head+to+head+comparison+Pentax+wins

 I'm not interested in discussing minor details for deciding which is best. I
 think the possibility of such a discussion is already a strong answer.

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Re: K-3 Vs. D600

2013-10-27 Thread Zos Xavius
Whoops I meant lumia 1020

On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://evan-theelectricalengineer.blogspot.com/

 D800 vs Nokia 808

 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Dario Bonazza
 dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/default.asp?newsID=5438news=pentax+K-3+Nikon+D600+head+to+head+comparison+Pentax+wins

 I'm not interested in discussing minor details for deciding which is best. I
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Re: K-3 Vs. D600

2013-10-27 Thread knarf
That's pretty cool.

Cheers,
frank

Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/default.asp?newsID=5438news=pentax+K-3+Nikon+D600+head+to+head+comparison+Pentax+wins

I'm not interested in discussing minor details for deciding which is
best. I 
think the possibility of such a discussion is already a strong answer.

Dario 

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Re: PDML stand for...

2013-10-27 Thread Attila Boros
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

 On 10/27/2013 18:04, Steve Cottrell wrote:

 On 27/10/13, Richard Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:

 In view of Chris Mitchell's recent defection, and as we become a more
 diverse group in our photo equipment, I'm wondering if PDML really does
 denote Pentax Discuss Mail List.

 It might, instead, stand for:

 Pentax Diaspora Mail List
 Pentax Death Mourning League
 Pentax Disgust/Despair/Desertion Mail List
 Pentax Defectors Mail List
 Photographers Desiring More Leicas

 Or?


 Pentax Does Mean Denial

 you're cheating, Cotty - last word has to start with L

 Punsters Do Make list


Pundits Desire More Lenses

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Re: PDML stand for...

2013-10-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
People come and go. And all are welcome. But IMO it should remain the Pentax 
discuss mail list.

Paul via phone

 On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Richard Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 In view of Chris Mitchell's recent defection, and as we become a more diverse 
 group in our photo equipment, I'm wondering if PDML really does denote 
 Pentax Discuss Mail List.
 
 It might, instead, stand for:
 
 Pentax Diaspora Mail List
 Pentax Death Mourning League
 Pentax Disgust/Despair/Desertion Mail List
 Pentax Defectors Mail List
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 Or….?
 
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Re: Initial experiences with K-5

2013-10-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Agreed. Another excellent bargain autofocus lens.

Paul via phone

 On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:37 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 It is an excellent choice, as Paul says. Another, probably more versatile 
 over time, would be the DA 16~45 f/4. A constant aperture lens which delivers 
 extremely nice results. It's been discontinued, but check with KEH on a 
 regular basis and chances are you'll find one.
 
 Jack
 
 
 
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net 
 Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 12:54 PM
 Subject: Re: Initial experiences with K-5
 
 
 Excellent choice.
 
 Paul via phone
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:31 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 3:05 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 [1] I’ll have to buy an autofocus lens. [In spite of my desire to learn to 
 focus manually, recommendations? By I guess nearly everyone’s standards 
 here, it would have to be cheap—very cheap.]
 
 What about this?: 50-200 F4-5.6 SMC DA ED WR.
 
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Re: K-3 Vs. D600

2013-10-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
It can't possibly be that good. The pentax's full frame is not of the dimension 
a full frame must be.

Paul via phone

 On Oct 27, 2013, at 6:05 PM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it 
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 http://www.digitalcamerareview.com/default.asp?newsID=5438news=pentax+K-3+Nikon+D600+head+to+head+comparison+Pentax+wins
 
 I'm not interested in discussing minor details for deciding which is best. I 
 think the possibility of such a discussion is already a strong answer.
 
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Re: PDML stand for...

2013-10-27 Thread Stan Halpin
Pentaxians Demanding More Lenses


On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Richard Womer wrote:

 In view of Chris Mitchell's recent defection, and as we become a more diverse 
 group in our photo equipment, I'm wondering if PDML really does denote 
 Pentax Discuss Mail List.
 
 It might, instead, stand for:
 
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 Or….?
 
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Re: PDML stand for...

2013-10-27 Thread Stan Halpin
Or, Pentaxians Despairing of Modern Lenses

stan

On Oct 27, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

 Pentaxians Demanding More Lenses
 
 
 On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Richard Womer wrote:
 
 In view of Chris Mitchell's recent defection, and as we become a more 
 diverse group in our photo equipment, I'm wondering if PDML really does 
 denote Pentax Discuss Mail List.
 
 It might, instead, stand for:
 
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 Photographers Desiring More Leicas
 
 Or….?
 
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Re: LED on camera light

2013-10-27 Thread kwaller

Thanks Mark.

I can't find the GN for the unit I ordered so I'll have to see how it 
performs for myself.


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- Original Message - 
From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net

Subject: Re: LED on camera light



HI Ken -

I bought a Bolt VM-110 LED Ringllight for macro work earlier this year. I 
have to say that I found it to be of marginal use for outdoor macros. It 
says it is GN 15' @ ISO 100. I figured that would be bright enough but it 
falls short even for fill light in bright sun. By contrast, the relatively 
low powered AF360FGZ is GN 98.5 @ ISO 100. Not sure of the GN on those 
models you are considering.


I bought the Bolt to use with the Q. One of its limitations is that when 
using a lens without a leaf shutter, the body can only synch the 
electronic shutter with a flash at 1/3rd of a second. I got the Bolt light 
in hopes of circumventing this limitation when using the K mount adapter, 
but it is of limited use.


Mark

On 10/24/2013 5:03 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Any comments/experiences with these

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting

I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations.


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Re: OT: Lens Coffee Mug

2013-10-27 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Oct 24, 2013, at 12:25 , Darren Addy wrote:

 Unfortunately, it's a Canon lens, but maybe that makes it more fun to
 drink out of.
 
 Makes a GREAT in-car urinal!

Better in the car. Sitting on it's rear lens cap full of coffee is a disaster 
waiting to happen indoors. Cup holder in the car make it stable.

FYI- Drink fast, as the lens/cup(s) have no insulating capacity. I intend to 
give mine away for only $0.10 at my next yard sale.


 
 On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
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 http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-camera-lens-coffee-mug-0?p=10utm_source=pc-occasionsutm_medium=emailsid=309f7515-c7a8-463b-8702-93766adca158division=central-jerseyuser=32f029f8ca24964820edee77957de5e8035f5050f64cf4e6bf5ba2ad1c75a0eedate=20131024s=bodyc=buttond=groupon_occasions_deal
 
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Re: PDML stand for...

2013-10-27 Thread kwaller

People Departing Mailing List

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info

Subject: Re: PDML stand for...


Or, Pentaxians Despairing of Modern Lenses

stan

On Oct 27, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:


Pentaxians Demanding More Lenses


On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Richard Womer wrote:

In view of Chris Mitchell's recent defection, and as we become a more 
diverse group in our photo equipment, I'm wondering if PDML really does 
denote Pentax Discuss Mail List.


It might, instead, stand for:

Pentax Diaspora Mail List
Pentax Death Mourning League
Pentax Disgust/Despair/Desertion Mail List
Pentax Defectors Mail List
Photographers Desiring More Leicas

Or….?

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Re: PDML stand for...

2013-10-27 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 People come and go. And all are welcome. But IMO it should remain the Pentax 
 discuss mail list.

 Paul via phone

People also have two systems and stick around.;-)

Dave

 On Oct 27, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Richard Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 In view of Chris Mitchell's recent defection, and as we become a more 
 diverse group in our photo equipment, I'm wondering if PDML really does 
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 It might, instead, stand for:

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Re: K-3 manual now available (PDF)

2013-10-27 Thread Joseph McAllister
Stan, your K5 and K20 have built in speakers as well. Shoot a movie, play it 
back, and press your ear close to the holes i the body that are not the mic.

On Oct 23, 2013, at 21:15 , Stan Halpin wrote:

 Ken - I have started into the K-3 manual Darren posted. It looks exactly like 
 the pdf versions of K10, K20, K5,  K5ii manuals that I have used before. 
 Same layout, same level of detail on descriptions of e.g. menu functions, 
 etc. And the What is in the box? page shows that the hardcopy manual is 
 included.
 One thing that strikes me so far is how much more prominent the video-related 
 functions are. And I had not realized that it has a built-in speaker! Verbal 
 alerts? Hey dummy, the flash won't work until you turn it on! I'll read 
 more tomorrow. . .
 
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Test

2013-10-27 Thread P.J. Alling

For some reason g-mail cannot find PDML.net
when I address it directly trying a reply.

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An appeal for Divergence and Simplicity from the Luminous Landscape

2013-10-27 Thread P.J. Alling
Ruminating on the K-3 and the various reviews of the K-5 family of 
cameras where the reviewer took off points for clunky ways to get into 
video mode, (this was especially true of DPReview IIRC), I found myself 
wanting to scream in the guy's face.  What is it about it being 
primarily a Still camera that you don't get?  This little article 
from Luminous Landscape makes covers most of my arguments, without the 
Pending assault charges, though I think his plea for simplicity of 
control might go a bit too far in the other direction, and having a 
third dial dedicated entirely to ISO... Pushing a button and turning one 
of the e-dials isn't all that onerous as long as the button is in a 
convenient location.


NO Pentax content in the essay but hell half of us don't use Pentax as 
our primary camera system anymore anyway.


http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/an_appeal_for_divergence_and_simplicity.shtml

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Re: Test

2013-10-27 Thread P.J. Alling
Sorry to have put this in the wrong thread, figured out the problem, 
seems there was an extranious character that got saved in the PDML address.


Carry on.

On 10/27/2013 8:38 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

For some reason g-mail cannot find PDML.net
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Re: Maverick OSX

2013-10-27 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Oct 25, 2013, at 07:34 , Paul Stenquist wrote:

 Would it were so. Downloading Epson drivers for Macs is never simple. They 
 all come from Apple these days, and Epson's needs are apparently  not a high 
 priority for our friends in Cupertino.

Go figure. 

I'm sure Epson's s/w team got Maverick months ago. 

Apple (for last 6 years) has included Epson's driver with the OS. However, 
Epson has to get them to Apple. This has happened before. 

Godders?





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Re: Maverick OSX

2013-10-27 Thread P.J. Alling
If they're going to use Maverick as a code name I hope they at least 
supplied a kick ass poker game...


On 10/24/2013 9:26 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Has anyone upgraded their Mac to Maverick? Any glitches. It's supposed to speed 
some things up and has some nice new features. But I'm a little nervous about 
diving right in on this one. Sounds like a significant change.

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Re: OT: Lens Coffee Mug

2013-10-27 Thread P.J. Alling
Kind of old news actually, though you should understand it.  After all 
they'll sell a lot more mugs to Canon fan-boys than to discerning Pentax 
users...


On 10/24/2013 3:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-camera-lens-coffee-mug-0?p=10utm_source=pc-occasionsutm_medium=emailsid=309f7515-c7a8-463b-8702-93766adca158division=central-jerseyuser=32f029f8ca24964820edee77957de5e8035f5050f64cf4e6bf5ba2ad1c75a0eedate=20131024s=bodyc=buttond=groupon_occasions_deal

Unfortunately, it's a Canon lens, but maybe that makes it more fun to
drink out of.

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