Re: OT: Need help with a package from UK to USA

2013-12-19 Thread Joseph McAllister
Thanks John and Bob. Not a solution in either case.

Royal Mail (in some sort of fire sale situation, I read) is the umbrella corp 
of ParcelForce. Their prices are pretty much the same as the rest. They only 
seem to differ in the service used to deliver the goods once over here. One 
suggestion made by the seller and by eBay was to find a consolidator who takes 
their time but fills containers to ship under their name. Getting the package 
to a port and getting it delivered might be another sticking point.

ParcelForce, by the way, offers the best prices, up until just below my 
purchase's cubic footage, at which point that service is no longer available.

On Dec 18, 2013, at 12:25 , John wrote:

 Does the British Post Office do parcel post? ... or whatever that's morphed 
 into now-a-days.
 
 On 12/17/2013 9:30 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:
 I just purchased two new old-stock still boxed Aux. sheet-feeders for
 my Apple Laserwriter 8500 for £50 from an outfit in Luton, north of
 London. They suggested I use Parcel2Go for a quote on getting it to
 my home in Washington state. The two units taped together total 9.2
 cu feet but only weigh 10 Kg.
 
 The least expensive shipper is quoting me £141, the most £512. But
 these are 3+ days shipments, much faster than I need. I am only
 interested in getting these intact within the next month or two.
 These sheet-feeders are already almost 20 years old, and a great find,
 just an ocean away.
 
 Could one of you make some suggestions on ways to cross the pond in a
 more reasonable manner?
 
 Luton LU2 to USA 98349

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Re: PESO: White Cliff

2013-12-19 Thread Attila Boros
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 7:56 AM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:

 Pleasant scene, Attila but the image it suffers from the flat lighting.  I
 guess going there early or late wasn't possible - one of the problems of
 vacation photography.

Thanks Brian! I was traveling with friends and getting up early is a
very sensitive topic for them:) And we had to arrive to another
location before late (on foot).

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Re: PESO - Nocturnal construction

2013-12-19 Thread Attila Boros
I like the first one, very nice geometry.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 From the building my office is in:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17629072size=lg

 The view 20 months ago:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15326694size=lg

 Alternative links:

 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17629072-lg.jpg

 and

 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15326694-lg.jpg

 (K-5, FA 28/2.8 and 24-90)

 No trees were harmed in the construction of this building.


 Comments?

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Re: New K-3 firmware update 1.01

2013-12-19 Thread Attila Boros
Changes:
...
Extended enlarged display time for live view

Magnification in live view has a time limit?


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Dario Bonazza
dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 Direct page:
 http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/k3_s.html

 -Messaggio originale- From: Dario Bonazza
 Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 8:27 AM
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 Subject: New K-3 firmware update 1.01


 http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/download_digital.html


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creative photo series of four year old

2013-12-19 Thread Larry Colen
I was rather amused at this series of photos. The young lass could give
Grace a run for her money:

http://www.demilked.com/creative-dad-photographs-4-year-old-daughter-kanna/

then I noticed a suprisingly on topic frame:
http://demilked.uuuploads.com/my-daughter-kanna-toyokazu-nagano/my-daughter-kanna-toyokazu-nagano-20.jpg


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Re: PESO: White Cliff

2013-12-19 Thread Attila Boros
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Bob W wrote:

 It's definitely rock. Probably one of the geological types, in my opinion.

 B

  I think you could pretty much take that for granite.

 stan

My dear Watson, it's sedimentary.

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Re: PESO - Nocturnal construction

2013-12-19 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Ann!

The second is for comparison purposes only (it was a PESO on its own shortly 
after being taken).

Rick

On Dec 18, 2013, at 23:47 , Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 
 
 On 12/18/2013 21:57, Rick Womer wrote:
 From the building my office is in:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17629072size=lg
 LOVe this shot, Rick.  for both the photo-journalism and the geometry.
 
 The view 20 months ago:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15326694size=lg
 The second one - not so much except as a base line
 
 ann
 Alternative links:
 
 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17629072-lg.jpg
 
 and
 
 http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15326694-lg.jpg
 
 (K-5, FA 28/2.8 and 24-90)
 
 No trees were harmed in the construction of this building.
 
 
 Comments?
 
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Re: IS and tripods

2013-12-19 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 2:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi
godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:

 So ... they mean it when they recommend turning off IS for tripod use. It 
 might not affect you in some other lens/exposure time range as much, but it 
 was clearly the problem here.

FWIW, it can go both ways. When I was shooting the Badlands at sunset
with my K10D and DA*300/4, strong winds were causing camera movement
despite a fairly heavy tripod. I started out using the 2-second timer,
which disables SR, but I couldn't get a sharp image at 1/15 until I
turned the timer off and SR back on.

I guess the moral of the story is that if one setting isn't working,
try the other one.

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OT - Photoshop christmas

2013-12-19 Thread Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne

http://vimeo.com/81847258

:-)

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Image settings for K-5 IIs?

2013-12-19 Thread Joe J. Wilensky
Wondering what those of you with the K-5 IIs have found to be the best default 
image settings (at least for jpgs) … do you dial up or down the sharpness 
settings at all? Without an anti-aliasing filter, do you find that 
sharpness/fine sharpness/extra sharpness makes a particularly good match with 
this sensor?

Joe


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Re: OT - Photoshop christmas

2013-12-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:

http://vimeo.com/81847258

Ho ho ho!
 
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Re: Image settings for K-5 IIs?

2013-12-19 Thread Bob Sullivan
Joe,
Been using it as set from the factory.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Joe J. Wilensky jj...@cornell.edu wrote:
 Wondering what those of you with the K-5 IIs have found to be the best 
 default image settings (at least for jpgs) … do you dial up or down the 
 sharpness settings at all? Without an anti-aliasing filter, do you find that 
 sharpness/fine sharpness/extra sharpness makes a particularly good match with 
 this sensor?

 Joe


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Re: Image settings for K-5 IIs?

2013-12-19 Thread Stan Halpin
Also using the factory defaults. I virtually never shoot jpegs so I haven't 
thought about it too much. 

Go Big Red!
stan

On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

 Joe,
 Been using it as set from the factory.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Joe J. Wilensky jj...@cornell.edu wrote:
 Wondering what those of you with the K-5 IIs have found to be the best 
 default image settings (at least for jpgs) … do you dial up or down the 
 sharpness settings at all? Without an anti-aliasing filter, do you find that 
 sharpness/fine sharpness/extra sharpness makes a particularly good match 
 with this sensor?
 
 Joe
 
 


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OT: HELP!

2013-12-19 Thread John

Christmas is coming. I have a 10 year old niece and absolutely NO CLUE.
I have a budget of between $20  $50.

HELP!

Her father is getting everything on her Santa List (which is remarkably
NOT extravagent), so I'm on my own.

PS: Someone sent me this link, and I have a new favorite Christmas song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3M7IR6jkpc

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Re: PESO At Last!

2013-12-19 Thread John

On 12/18/2013 6:03 PM, Bob W wrote:



From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker




On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:31 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:

On 12/17/2013 3:53 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:


Lovely colours, Paul. It's funny: we have a an orchid that bloomed
recently for the first time in years too. I think it's going to
produce a couple more blooms. Hope so, because I missed

shooting the

first one.



Maybe it's some kind of conspiracy?


I fear it's the unseen hand of the Bloominati.



Very good! A Conspiracy of Orchids sounds like the title of an English
Detective novel.

B




Not to be confused with an English Defective Novel.

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Re: PESO - Somber

2013-12-19 Thread John

I would much rather that they not be necessary.

On 12/18/2013 8:59 PM, knarf wrote:

Several years ago a Toronto police officer was shot in the line of duty. I came 
across the funeral procession. Never did process shots of the mounted officers 
leading the procession, until now:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/12/sombre.html?m=1

If you've never seen a police officer or firefighter funeral procession, they 
are quite moving.

Comments welcome.

Cheers,
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Re: PESO: White Cliff

2013-12-19 Thread Don Guthrie

Yep like it lots to see there.

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Another shot from my vacation:http://1x.com/photo/410879

The bright cliff between the trees caught my eye. Probably limestone
or some other calcareous rock.

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Re: OT: Need help with a package from UK to USA

2013-12-19 Thread John
When I was overseas  needed to mail stuff home there was an option 
called Space Available Mail that was really cheap. Mailed a 9x12 
carpet home for $8.00. Took it about 2 weeks to get there (not a big 
deal because I didn't get there for another six months myself).


There may be something like that available, but you probably won't find 
any commercial parcel handling outfits that will offer to find out about 
it for you.


On 12/19/2013 3:02 AM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

Thanks John and Bob. Not a solution in either case.

Royal Mail (in some sort of fire sale situation, I read) is the
umbrella corp of ParcelForce. Their prices are pretty much the same
as the rest. They only seem to differ in the service used to deliver
the goods once over here. One suggestion made by the seller and by
eBay was to find a consolidator who takes their time but fills
containers to ship under their name. Getting the package to a port
and getting it delivered might be another sticking point.

ParcelForce, by the way, offers the best prices, up until just below
my purchase's cubic footage, at which point that service is no longer
available.

On Dec 18, 2013, at 12:25 , John wrote:


Does the British Post Office do parcel post? ... or whatever that's
morphed into now-a-days.

On 12/17/2013 9:30 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

I just purchased two new old-stock still boxed Aux. sheet-feeders
for my Apple Laserwriter 8500 for £50 from an outfit in Luton,
north of London. They suggested I use Parcel2Go for a quote on
getting it to my home in Washington state. The two units taped
together total 9.2 cu feet but only weigh 10 Kg.

The least expensive shipper is quoting me £141, the most £512.
But these are 3+ days shipments, much faster than I need. I am
only interested in getting these intact within the next month or
two. These sheet-feeders are already almost 20 years old, and a
great find, just an ocean away.

Could one of you make some suggestions on ways to cross the pond
in a more reasonable manner?

Luton LU2 to USA 98349


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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread John

Time to trot out the Dire Straits quote again:

And then you get an artist says he doesn't want to paint at all
He takes an empty canvas and sticks it on the wall
The birds of a feather all the phonies and all of the fakes
While the dealers they get together
And they decide who gets the breaks
And who's going to be in the gallery

On 12/18/2013 7:23 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

Earlier in this thread someone mentioned the example of mobiles: once
art, now the baby-crib attachment to keep ankle-biters occupied. We
watch Antiques Roadshow on PBS. The other evening they had a Calder
miniature mobile, appraised at $1M. My mother-in-law's caregiver (NOT
a sophisticate) could not stop laughing at the the thought that
someone would pay that much for such a piece of junk.

I like the notion that Art is the use of some medium to evoke
reactions in others. To make them feel and/or think. The viewer,
reader, listener, etc. may not grasp the artist's motivations, his or
her feelings or ideas that went into some artistic expression, but
the Artist wants to evoke something. [Not necessarily disbelief and
laughter as in my example.]

One thing that makes it all so hard to define and commercialize is
that the viewing/reading/listening public may well not understand the
language being spoken by the Artist. Which is why Art Appreciation
courses used to be offered in some Universities.

stan

On Dec 18, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Bob W wrote:


From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Roberts

John wrote:


A comment was made that it's art when a photograph needs a

paragraph

to explain what it's about.


The more words there are on a gallery wall next to a picture,
the worse the picture. - Gustave Flaubert



http://www.web-options.com/Rouen2013/content/P0030436_large.html






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PESO - Megabridge

2013-12-19 Thread Igor Roshchin


Two more photos of the iconic Russky bridge in Vladivostok (Russia):
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09734-2.jpg

I am less sure about this one:
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09859.jpg

I would like to hear if any shots work for anybody else.


And I am not happy with how this came out, but I thought I'd share
the idea (bridge cables and sun beams):
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09827.jpg
It was an unplanned moment (going on the boat under that bridge, so
there was no repeat opportunities).

Your comments and suggestions are very welcome.

Thank you,

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Re: PESO: White Cliff

2013-12-19 Thread John

I had to tell NoScript to temporarily allow 1x.com before it would show.

On 12/18/2013 10:01 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

No photo there, Atilla.

Rick


http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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Subject: PESO: White Cliff

Another shot from my vacation: http://1x.com/photo/410879

The bright cliff between the trees caught my eye. Probably limestone
or some other calcareous rock.

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Re: OT - Photoshop christmas

2013-12-19 Thread John

I see somebody getting a lump of coal in their stocking.

On 12/19/2013 8:52 AM, Alunfoto - Jostein Øksne wrote:

http://vimeo.com/81847258

:-)

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Re: PESO - Megabridge

2013-12-19 Thread John

Third one might be better if you clone out the head.

On 12/19/2013 11:36 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:



Two more photos of the iconic Russky bridge in Vladivostok (Russia):
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09734-2.jpg

I am less sure about this one:
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09859.jpg

I would like to hear if any shots work for anybody else.


And I am not happy with how this came out, but I thought I'd share
the idea (bridge cables and sun beams):
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09827.jpg
It was an unplanned moment (going on the boat under that bridge, so
there was no repeat opportunities).

Your comments and suggestions are very welcome.

Thank you,

Igor





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Re:PESO - Nocturnal construction

2013-12-19 Thread Don Guthrie
Very interesting photo of the skeleton stage, The finished product could 
provide some more good photos for you.


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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:57:50 -0800 (PST)
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From the building my office is in:


http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17629072size=lg

The view 20 months ago:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=15326694size=lg

Alternative links:

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17629072-lg.jpg

and

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/15326694-lg.jpg



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Re:PESO - Somber

2013-12-19 Thread Don Guthrie
Frank, I find this to be an excellent photograph, telling a story with 
enough mystery to make me want to know the background story as well. 
Finally it is technically good and perfectly titled.


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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 20:59:10 -0500
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Several years ago a Toronto police officer was shot in the line of duty. I came 
across the funeral procession. Never did process shots of the mounted officers 
leading the procession, until now:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/12/sombre.html?m=1

If you've never seen a police officer or firefighter funeral procession, they 
are quite moving.

Comments welcome.

Cheers,
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Re: Image settings for K-5 IIs?

2013-12-19 Thread Bruce Walker
Joe, why not shoot raw and defer that decision to post where you can
always adjust per the subject matter and change your mind later if you
reconsider?

Not meaning to reopen the raw vs jpeg debate, but it's this kind of
question that made me a raw adherent. But perhaps your circumstances
make raw too much of a burden; if so, ignore this suggestion.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Joe J. Wilensky jj...@cornell.edu wrote:
 Wondering what those of you with the K-5 IIs have found to be the best 
 default image settings (at least for jpgs) … do you dial up or down the 
 sharpness settings at all? Without an anti-aliasing filter, do you find that 
 sharpness/fine sharpness/extra sharpness makes a particularly good match with 
 this sensor?

 Joe


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Re:PESO - Megabridge

2013-12-19 Thread Don Guthrie
Well #2 has too many sun splotches for me. # 1 has some drama. Have you 
thought of BW since this is more form than color.


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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:36:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Igor Roshchins...@komkon.org
To:PDML@pdml.net
Subject: PESO - Megabridge
Message-ID:201312191636.rbjgacua015...@trantor.komkon.org



Two more photos of the iconic Russky bridge in Vladivostok (Russia):
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09734-2.jpg

I am less sure about this one:
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09859.jpg

I would like to hear if any shots work for anybody else.


And I am not happy with how this came out, but I thought I'd share
the idea (bridge cables and sun beams):
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09827.jpg
It was an unplanned moment (going on the boat under that bridge, so
there was no repeat opportunities).

Your comments and suggestions are very welcome.

Thank you,

Igor





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App to display pef files in win7 file explorer

2013-12-19 Thread J.C. O'Connell
can anybody recommend an app to allow pentax pef files to display as 
thumbnails in win7 file explorer?

thanks in advance, jco

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Re: App to display pef files in win7 file explorer

2013-12-19 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 12:10 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:

 can anybody recommend an app to allow pentax pef files to display as
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http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=26829

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Re: PESO - Megabridge

2013-12-19 Thread Stan Halpin
I prefer the first - it is more about the bridge. The shoreline is a bit 
cluttered in the 2nd one.
I have mixed feelings about the 3rd. I sometimes get too hung up on technical 
details and don't look at an image as a whole. In this case I dismissed the sun 
and the flare it caused, thought about whether you could get the cables shining 
like that without the sun interfering in the image. Then I reread your note and 
went back for a 2nd and 3rd look. I think it might work as is, maybe crop the 
bottom... 
I know some are fascinated with the star-burst effect, others merely enjoy it, 
and others like me see it as a technical flaw. YMMV.

stan

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 Two more photos of the iconic Russky bridge in Vladivostok (Russia):
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09734-2.jpg
 
 I am less sure about this one:
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09859.jpg
 
 I would like to hear if any shots work for anybody else.
 
 
 And I am not happy with how this came out, but I thought I'd share
 the idea (bridge cables and sun beams):
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09827.jpg
 It was an unplanned moment (going on the boat under that bridge, so
 there was no repeat opportunities).
 
 Your comments and suggestions are very welcome.
 
 Thank you,
 
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for sign lovers (Ansan) - a puzzle

2013-12-19 Thread Igor Roshchin


Just a snapshot of what some might PDMLers might find amusing:
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR06879.jpg

Take a guess about its meaning and location.

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Re: IS and tripods

2013-12-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I think the real take-away is that IS, like AF, AE, and TTL-flash-AE, are all 
tools to be used and exploited for best advantage .. And that the reason there 
are so many options provided for each of them is that no one automation setting 
is best for all circumstances. And sometimes, the best setting is to simply 
switch them off and set the exposure, the focus, the sensitivity yourself, and 
hold the camera still... :-)

Godfrey


 On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:39 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 
 I guess the moral of the story is that if one setting isn't working,
 try the other one.

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Re: OT: HELP!

2013-12-19 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi John:

Maybe go with arts and crafts.  Maybe a starter scrapbook kit, which you could 
find at say a Michael’s arts and crafts store.  Maybe puzzles or smart games.  
Is she a techy?  Does she have a tablet?  Maybe a gift card to her 
corresponding app store?  Does she like music?  Would her parents allow a 
little iPod shuffle, which I think is listed at $49.99?  One in her favorite 
color?
I’m not so good at gifts either, but I gave it a go.  Good luck!  I haven’t 
even started my Christmas shopping yet.  

Cheers, Christine


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 Christmas is coming. I have a 10 year old niece and absolutely NO CLUE.
 I have a budget of between $20  $50.
 
 HELP!
 
 Her father is getting everything on her Santa List (which is remarkably
 NOT extravagent), so I'm on my own.
 
 PS: Someone sent me this link, and I have a new favorite Christmas song:
 
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Re: SD Formatter

2013-12-19 Thread Christine Aguila
That’s what I do as well.  Cheers, Christine


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 I use the in camera format to erase cards for re-use.
 
 On 12/18/2013 12:25 PM, John Francis wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 11:55:16AM -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote:
 I've read several places that in camera formatting is preferred over 
 computer formatting.
 
 That's what I do.  I wouldn't bet that a camera can read a card
 formatted with every possible variation possible while staying
 within the format specifications.
 
 
 
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Re: IS and tripods

2013-12-19 Thread Christine Aguila
Good reminder, Godfrey!  Love the photo, and Season’t Greetings to you as well! 
 Cheers, Christine


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 This is just as cautionary for Pentax cameras with IBIS as it is with Olympus 
 IBIS …
 
 I had the E-M1 on a tripod this evening to do our annual holiday 
 self-portrait. This is always a tricky thing as the lights tend to saturate, 
 so I run -EV compensation and soft ambient lighting to bring it up. Exposures 
 with the ZD 11-22 @ 11mm were in the ISO 400 @ f/8 @ 4-5 seconds range. 
 
 After four blurry shots, using both SAF and MF focusing, I was beginning to 
 wonder what had gone wrong with the camera. 
 Then it dawned on me ... I turned off IS. The next two captures were razor 
 sharp.
 
 So ... they mean it when they recommend turning off IS for tripod use. It 
 might not affect you in some other lens/exposure time range as much, but it 
 was clearly the problem here. 
 
 Godfrey
 
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Re: IS and tripods

2013-12-19 Thread P.J. Alling
Which is pretty much why I'm so annoyed that you have to menudive in 
Pentax cameras since the K20D to turn it off.


On 12/19/2013 2:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

This is just as cautionary for Pentax cameras with IBIS as it is with Olympus 
IBIS …

I had the E-M1 on a tripod this evening to do our annual holiday self-portrait. 
This is always a tricky thing as the lights tend to saturate, so I run -EV 
compensation and soft ambient lighting to bring it up. Exposures with the ZD 
11-22 @ 11mm were in the ISO 400 @ f/8 @ 4-5 seconds range.

After four blurry shots, using both SAF and MF focusing, I was beginning to 
wonder what had gone wrong with the camera.
Then it dawned on me ... I turned off IS. The next two captures were razor 
sharp.

So ... they mean it when they recommend turning off IS for tripod use. It might 
not affect you in some other lens/exposure time range as much, but it was 
clearly the problem here.

Godfrey

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Re: IS and tripods

2013-12-19 Thread Dario Bonazza

Not menu. Info panel with direct setting.
Dario

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From: P.J. Alling

Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:08 PM
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Which is pretty much why I'm so annoyed that you have to menudive in
Pentax cameras since the K20D to turn it off.

On 12/19/2013 2:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
This is just as cautionary for Pentax cameras with IBIS as it is with 
Olympus IBIS …


I had the E-M1 on a tripod this evening to do our annual holiday 
self-portrait. This is always a tricky thing as the lights tend to 
saturate, so I run -EV compensation and soft ambient lighting to bring it 
up. Exposures with the ZD 11-22 @ 11mm were in the ISO 400 @ f/8 @ 4-5 
seconds range.


After four blurry shots, using both SAF and MF focusing, I was beginning 
to wonder what had gone wrong with the camera.
Then it dawned on me ... I turned off IS. The next two captures were razor 
sharp.


So ... they mean it when they recommend turning off IS for tripod use. It 
might not affect you in some other lens/exposure time range as much, but 
it was clearly the problem here.


Godfrey

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Re: IS and tripods

2013-12-19 Thread Zos Xavius
You have to menudive? If you set a 2 second timer or MLU it is
disabled automatically.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:08 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Which is pretty much why I'm so annoyed that you have to menudive in Pentax
 cameras since the K20D to turn it off.


 On 12/19/2013 2:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 This is just as cautionary for Pentax cameras with IBIS as it is with
 Olympus IBIS …

 I had the E-M1 on a tripod this evening to do our annual holiday
 self-portrait. This is always a tricky thing as the lights tend to saturate,
 so I run -EV compensation and soft ambient lighting to bring it up.
 Exposures with the ZD 11-22 @ 11mm were in the ISO 400 @ f/8 @ 4-5 seconds
 range.

 After four blurry shots, using both SAF and MF focusing, I was beginning
 to wonder what had gone wrong with the camera.
 Then it dawned on me ... I turned off IS. The next two captures were razor
 sharp.

 So ... they mean it when they recommend turning off IS for tripod use. It
 might not affect you in some other lens/exposure time range as much, but it
 was clearly the problem here.

 Godfrey

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 http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3769/11446664346_4d89b856ee_o.jpg



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Re: IS and tripods

2013-12-19 Thread Dario Bonazza

Not menu. Info display with direct on/off switching.
A hardware switch is a bit better, of course.
Dario

-Messaggio originale- 
From: P.J. Alling

Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:08 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: IS and tripods

Which is pretty much why I'm so annoyed that you have to menudive in
Pentax cameras since the K20D to turn it off.

On 12/19/2013 2:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
This is just as cautionary for Pentax cameras with IBIS as it is with 
Olympus IBIS …


I had the E-M1 on a tripod this evening to do our annual holiday 
self-portrait. This is always a tricky thing as the lights tend to 
saturate, so I run -EV compensation and soft ambient lighting to bring it 
up. Exposures with the ZD 11-22 @ 11mm were in the ISO 400 @ f/8 @ 4-5 
seconds range.


After four blurry shots, using both SAF and MF focusing, I was beginning 
to wonder what had gone wrong with the camera.
Then it dawned on me ... I turned off IS. The next two captures were razor 
sharp.


So ... they mean it when they recommend turning off IS for tripod use. It 
might not affect you in some other lens/exposure time range as much, but 
it was clearly the problem here.


Godfrey

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Re: creative photo series of four year old

2013-12-19 Thread Christine Aguila
Those are great!  Thanks for posting.  I really like the light too. Cheers, 
Christine


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 I was rather amused at this series of photos. The young lass could give
 Grace a run for her money:
 
 http://www.demilked.com/creative-dad-photographs-4-year-old-daughter-kanna/
 
 then I noticed a suprisingly on topic frame:
 http://demilked.uuuploads.com/my-daughter-kanna-toyokazu-nagano/my-daughter-kanna-toyokazu-nagano-20.jpg
 
 
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Re: IS and tripods

2013-12-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Nice pic. When I do all-day multi vehicle car shoots for pubs I do both 
handheld and tripod with the 60-250. I never turn off shake reduction and 
generally don't use the remote or mirror up. Haven't seen a problem, but I 
think I'll use the remote next time. That shouldn't slow me down much.

Paul via phone

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 
 Good reminder, Godfrey!  Love the photo, and Season’t Greetings to you as 
 well!  Cheers, Christine
 
 
 On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:
 
 This is just as cautionary for Pentax cameras with IBIS as it is with 
 Olympus IBIS …
 
 I had the E-M1 on a tripod this evening to do our annual holiday 
 self-portrait. This is always a tricky thing as the lights tend to saturate, 
 so I run -EV compensation and soft ambient lighting to bring it up. 
 Exposures with the ZD 11-22 @ 11mm were in the ISO 400 @ f/8 @ 4-5 seconds 
 range. 
 
 After four blurry shots, using both SAF and MF focusing, I was beginning to 
 wonder what had gone wrong with the camera. 
 Then it dawned on me ... I turned off IS. The next two captures were razor 
 sharp.
 
 So ... they mean it when they recommend turning off IS for tripod use. It 
 might not affect you in some other lens/exposure time range as much, but it 
 was clearly the problem here. 
 
 Godfrey
 
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Re: for sign lovers (Ansan) - a puzzle

2013-12-19 Thread Alan C

Don't walk on prone megaliths? Easter Island?

Alan C

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Just a snapshot of what some might PDMLers might find amusing:
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR06879.jpg

Take a guess about its meaning and location.

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Re: for sign lovers (Ansan) - a puzzle

2013-12-19 Thread Christine Aguila
I was thinking don’t climb on the faces on Mount Rushmore.  Kind of looks like 
a face profile lying down.  :-)  Cheers, Christine


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 Don't walk on prone megaliths? Easter Island?
 
 Alan C
 
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OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Stan Halpin
A cousin is working on family history stuff and recently came up with this 
photo of my father (15 yrs old at the time) and his siblings in 1937.

The question is, what make/model was the family car?

http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1babf2a8

Thanks!

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Re: IS and tripods

2013-12-19 Thread Zos Xavius
SR is on whether you turn it off or not. With it off it just locks
into place. I've used it on tripods and it doesn't seem to make much
difference with it on so I never turn it off. I usually use a 2s timer
90% of the time anyways.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Nice pic. When I do all-day multi vehicle car shoots for pubs I do both 
 handheld and tripod with the 60-250. I never turn off shake reduction and 
 generally don't use the remote or mirror up. Haven't seen a problem, but I 
 think I'll use the remote next time. That shouldn't slow me down much.

 Paul via phone

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:02 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:

 Good reminder, Godfrey!  Love the photo, and Season’t Greetings to you as 
 well!  Cheers, Christine


 On Dec 19, 2013, at 1:34 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com 
 wrote:

 This is just as cautionary for Pentax cameras with IBIS as it is with 
 Olympus IBIS …

 I had the E-M1 on a tripod this evening to do our annual holiday 
 self-portrait. This is always a tricky thing as the lights tend to 
 saturate, so I run -EV compensation and soft ambient lighting to bring it 
 up. Exposures with the ZD 11-22 @ 11mm were in the ISO 400 @ f/8 @ 4-5 
 seconds range.

 After four blurry shots, using both SAF and MF focusing, I was beginning to 
 wonder what had gone wrong with the camera.
 Then it dawned on me ... I turned off IS. The next two captures were razor 
 sharp.

 So ... they mean it when they recommend turning off IS for tripod use. It 
 might not affect you in some other lens/exposure time range as much, but it 
 was clearly the problem here.

 Godfrey

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Re: OT: Need help with a package from UK to USA

2013-12-19 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 17/12/13, Joseph McAllister, discombobulated, unleashed:

The least expensive shipper is quoting me £141, the most £512. But these
are 3+ days shipments, much faster than I need. I am only interested in
getting these intact within the next month or two. These sheetfeeters
are already almost 20 years old, and a great find, just an ocean away.

Could one of you make some suggestions on ways to cross the pond in a
more reasonable manner? 

Joseph if you want to get the things sent to me I'll forward them onto
you at a sensible rate in your time frame.

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PESO 2013 - 212 - GDG

2013-12-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Wandering through some photos made a few years back and this one popped out at 
me again, from the last time I attended the lighting of the Pigeon Point 
Lighthouse classic fresnel lens lamp... 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11453914113/

thanks for looking, comments always appreciated.

enjoy!

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Re: GESO: Mammatus Cloud

2013-12-19 Thread Charles Robinson
On Dec 18, 2013, at 12:08 , Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

 Regardless of comments from the peanut gallery, your images are great  look 
 very similar to some of these. I had never heard of such clouds before.
 

My only good shots of those clouds is from 2004, before I even had a DSLR.  
Olympus C4040z (4 megapixels!)

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2004/clouds/index.html
 
 http://gallery.multi.net.nz/gallery/49/#geso
 

Fun clouds, Dave!I like the 7th image the best.  That one would look really 
nice blown up ray big, to get the scale.

 -Charles

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Re: 17 mph

2013-12-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Yes. There's a road right near me with a curve marked as 19 mph. 
As if anyone's speedometer has that kind of resolution, eh? 

G

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 It is rather unusual to see a speed limit that is not ending in 5 or 0
 (in either mph or km/h):
 http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR09032.jpg
 
 Spotted at Oak Ridge National Lab.


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Re: PESO 2013 - 212 - GDG

2013-12-19 Thread Jack Davis
Familiar scene, but one with a very mood, Godfrey

Jack




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Subject: PESO 2013 - 212 - GDG

Wandering through some photos made a few years back and this one popped out at 
me again, from the last time I attended the lighting of the Pigeon Point 
Lighthouse classic fresnel lens lamp... 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/11453914113/

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17 mph

2013-12-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

It is rather unusual to see a speed limit that is not ending in 5 or 0
(in either mph or km/h):
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR09032.jpg

Spotted at Oak Ridge National Lab.

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Re: 17 mph

2013-12-19 Thread Jack Davis
I, of course, don't know know where it was shot or what difference it would 
make, but could the 17 by kilometers?

Jack




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Subject: 17 mph 


It is rather unusual to see a speed limit that is not ending in 5 or 0
(in either mph or km/h):
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR09032.jpg

Spotted at Oak Ridge National Lab.

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Re: 17 mph

2013-12-19 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 02:36:47PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote:
 
 It is rather unusual to see a speed limit that is not ending in 5 or 0
 (in either mph or km/h):
 http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR09032.jpg

Which is exactly why they do it on certain roads in our area
such as Quito and Dry Creek.  They are twisty roads in, or
near town, and people don't realize that they have to 
pay attention. The unusual numbers on the speed limit signs
are better at catching people's attention.

 
 Spotted at Oak Ridge National Lab.

Isn't that near Walt's hood?

 
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Re: PESO - Somber

2013-12-19 Thread Ken Waller
From the officers look to the down turned head of the foremost horse you 
sure captured the moment ! Well done.


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- Original Message - 
From: knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com

Subject: PESO - Somber


Several years ago a Toronto police officer was shot in the line of duty. I 
came across the funeral procession. Never did process shots of the mounted 
officers leading the procession, until now:


http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/12/sombre.html?m=1

If you've never seen a police officer or firefighter funeral procession, 
they are quite moving.


Comments welcome.

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Re: 17 mph

2013-12-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

Thu Dec 19 14:48:47 EST 2013
Jack Davis wrote:

 I, of course, don't know know where it was shot or what difference it
 would make, but could the 17 by kilometers?
 
 Jack

Jack,

 17 km =~ 10.5 miles
(16 km would've beem closer to 10 miles)

17 miles =~ 23 km.

So, neither would make a round number.

Indeed, as Godfrey and Larry wrote, it is done for attracting attention
at a spot where it is required.

Thu Dec 19 14:40:55 EST 2013
Larry Colen wrote:

  
  Spotted at Oak Ridge National Lab.
 
 Isn't that near Walt's hood?
  
I actually don't know where Walt leaves. Oak Ridge is near Knoxville, TN.
In any case, I had a rather dense schedule during that business trip.

Cheers,

Igor

Thu Dec 19 14:38:42 EST 2013
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Yes. There's a road right near me with a curve marked as 19 mph. 
 As if anyone's speedometer has that kind of resolution, eh? 
 

Resolution - yes,
Precision - maybe,
Accuracy - no.

Just a change in tire pressure can change the speedometer reading
for the same actual speed by a few mph.



Cheers!

Igor



 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 14:36:47 -0500 (EST)
 From: Igor Roshchin 


 It is rather unusual to see a speed limit that is not ending in 5 or 0
 (in either mph or km/h):
 http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR09032.jpg

 Spotted at Oak Ridge National Lab.

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Re: for sign lovers (Ansan) - a puzzle

2013-12-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

Bingo!
You nailed it, Alan!

I forgot to take a photo of the sign with the object, but
this gives a clue (actually, you can see the sign from the back, just
left of the stone sculpture):
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR06880.jpg

Igor



Thu Dec 19 13:24:59 EST 2013
Alan C wrote:

 Don't walk on prone megaliths? Easter Island?
 
 Alan C
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Igor Roshchin
 Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:41 PM
 To: PDML at pdml.net
 Subject: for sign lovers (Ansan) - a puzzle
 
 
 
 Just a snapshot of what some might PDMLers might find amusing:
 http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR06879.jpg
 
 Take a guess about its meaning and location.
 
 Igor
 

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Re: PESO - Somber

2013-12-19 Thread Bulent Celasun
The whole and the details all fit.
Somber, indeed.

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2013/12/19 knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com:
 Several years ago a Toronto police officer was shot in the line of duty. I 
 came across the funeral procession. Never did process shots of the mounted 
 officers leading the procession, until now:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/12/sombre.html?m=1

 If you've never seen a police officer or firefighter funeral procession, they 
 are quite moving.

 Comments welcome.

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Re: OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Zos Xavius
It looks like a ford. Not much to go on here though.

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 A cousin is working on family history stuff and recently came up with this 
 photo of my father (15 yrs old at the time) and his siblings in 1937.

 The question is, what make/model was the family car?

 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1babf2a8

 Thanks!

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Re: OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Paul Sorenson
My first inclination was Ford, too.  Any other pix that show the car 
any better?


-p

On 12/19/2013 2:19 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

It looks like a ford. Not much to go on here though.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Stan Halpin
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A cousin is working on family history stuff and recently came up with this 
photo of my father (15 yrs old at the time) and his siblings in 1937.

The question is, what make/model was the family car?

http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1babf2a8

Thanks!

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Re: PESO - Megabridge

2013-12-19 Thread Igor Roshchin



Thu Dec 19 11:48:48 EST 2013
John wrote:

 Third one might be better if you clone out the head.

I was thinking about that, - but just because I am not happy with the
image overall, I just don't want to waste time on that brain surgery.
:-)



Don,

Thanks for your comments.
I don't think BW works here. At least, - not in the way I intend it:
http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09734-3.jpg

Igor

Thu Dec 19 12:00:29 EST 2013
Don Guthrie wrote:

 Well #2 has too many sun splotches for me. # 1 has some drama. Have you 
 thought of BW since this is more form than color.
 
 pdml-request at pdml.net wrote:
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  Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:36:12 -0500 (EST)
  From: Igor Roshchinstr at komkon.org
  To:PDML at pdml.net
  Subject: PESO - Megabridge
  Message-ID:201312191636.rBJGaCua015309 at trantor.komkon.org
 
 
 
  Two more photos of the iconic Russky bridge in Vladivostok (Russia):
  http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09734-2.jpg
 
  I am less sure about this one:
  http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09859.jpg
 
  I would like to hear if any shots work for anybody else.
 
 
  And I am not happy with how this came out, but I thought I'd share
  the idea (bridge cables and sun beams):
  http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09827.jpg
  It was an unplanned moment (going on the boat under that bridge, so
  there was no repeat opportunities).
 
  Your comments and suggestions are very welcome.
 
  Thank you,
 
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Re: PESO - Megabridge

2013-12-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

Thanks, Stan.

I don't like star-burst effect universally, but occasionally, I find
them interesting.
Thanks for looking and commenting.

Igor



Thu Dec 19 12:21:05 EST 2013
Stan Halpin wrote:


I prefer the first - it is more about the bridge. The shoreline is a bit
cluttered in the 2nd one.
I have mixed feelings about the 3rd. I sometimes get too hung up on
technical details and don't look at an image as a whole. In this case I
dismissed the sun and the flare it caused, thought about whether you
could get the cables shining like that without the sun interfering in
the image. Then I reread your note and went back for a 2nd and 3rd look.
I think it might work as is, maybe crop the bottom... 
I know some are fascinated with the star-burst effect, others merely
enjoy it, and others like me see it as a technical flaw. YMMV.

stan

On Dec 19, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

 
 
 Two more photos of the iconic Russky bridge in Vladivostok (Russia):
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09734-2.jpg
 
 I am less sure about this one:
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09859.jpg
 
 I would like to hear if any shots work for anybody else.
 
 
 And I am not happy with how this came out, but I thought I'd share
 the idea (bridge cables and sun beams):
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09827.jpg
 It was an unplanned moment (going on the boat under that bridge, so
 there was no repeat opportunities).
 
 Your comments and suggestions are very welcome.
 
 Thank you,
 
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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
What is photographic art?

An oxymoron.

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Re: PESO - Somber

2013-12-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
striking image, Frank, and very well done.

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:59 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 Several years ago a Toronto police officer was shot in the line of duty. I 
 came across the funeral procession. Never did process shots of the mounted 
 officers leading the procession, until now:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/12/sombre.html?m=1

 If you've never seen a police officer or firefighter funeral procession, they 
 are quite moving.

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Re: PESO - Megabridge

2013-12-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I like the first image:  simple, clear and powerful.

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 Two more photos of the iconic Russky bridge in Vladivostok (Russia):
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09734-2.jpg

 I am less sure about this one:
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09859.jpg

 I would like to hear if any shots work for anybody else.


 And I am not happy with how this came out, but I thought I'd share
 the idea (bridge cables and sun beams):
 http://42graphy.org/misc/_IR09827.jpg
 It was an unplanned moment (going on the boat under that bridge, so
 there was no repeat opportunities).

 Your comments and suggestions are very welcome.

 Thank you,

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Re: creative photo series of four year old

2013-12-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
totemo kawaii desu yo!
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On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 I was rather amused at this series of photos. The young lass could give
 Grace a run for her money:

 http://www.demilked.com/creative-dad-photographs-4-year-old-daughter-kanna/

 then I noticed a suprisingly on topic frame:
 http://demilked.uuuploads.com/my-daughter-kanna-toyokazu-nagano/my-daughter-kanna-toyokazu-nagano-20.jpg


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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Bruce Walker
So, no photograph is art? No art includes photographs?

BS.


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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Mark Roberts
What is photographic art?

A stupid thing to debate over.
 
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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I'm just trying to insert a bit of levity into a weighty situation.

Of course, many photographs are art.  Anything by HC-B, and much of
that by AA, for easy examples.

My photographs are not art.  At best, they are pleasant or nicely
illustrative.  There are, however, several photographers on this list
who consistently produce art with their cameras.  To name them would
tend to get into personal taste and disruptive argumentation.  G

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 4:18 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 So, no photograph is art? No art includes photographs?

 BS.


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 What is photographic art?

 An oxymoron.

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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Nothing is to stupid to be debated on this list!  G:

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Re: OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Stan Halpin
No others at this point. My Aunt has many of the photos from that era, but I 
don't have ready access. 

stan
 
On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

 My first inclination was Ford, too.  Any other pix that show the car any 
 better?
 
 -p
 
 On 12/19/2013 2:19 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
 It looks like a ford. Not much to go on here though.
 
 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 A cousin is working on family history stuff and recently came up with this 
 photo of my father (15 yrs old at the time) and his siblings in 1937.
 
 The question is, what make/model was the family car?
 
 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1babf2a8
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Stan Halpin

On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Nothing is to stupid to be debated on this list!  G:
 
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I disagree.

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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Bill

On 19/12/2013 3:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Nothing is to stupid to be debated on this list!  G:



You'll know it's too stupid to debate when I wade in.

/thread

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Re: PESO: White Cliff

2013-12-19 Thread Attila Boros
Thanks Don and John! The site uses javascript to load a higher
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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Stan Halpin wrote:

On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Nothing is to stupid to be debated on this list!  G:
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

I disagree.

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Re: New K-3 firmware update 1.01

2013-12-19 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:27:29 +0100 Dario Bonazza wrote:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/download_digital.html


Hmm, this looks somewhat interresting:

- Improved performance of continuous shooting when using phase-matching 
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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Mark - did you pay for the arguement??

ann

On 12/19/2013 17:32, Mark Roberts wrote:

Stan Halpin wrote:


On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


Nothing is to stupid to be debated on this list!  G:

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


I disagree.


No you don't!




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Re: for sign lovers (Ansan) - a puzzle

2013-12-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I just got here... so I should look before seeing other responses...
(I'm still licking my wounds over the demise of some photo files)

No climbing on the rocks?

but it looks like don't climb on the whale

ann


On 12/19/2013 12:41, Igor Roshchin wrote:



Just a snapshot of what some might PDMLers might find amusing:
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR06879.jpg

Take a guess about its meaning and location.

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Re: for sign lovers (Ansan) - a puzzle

2013-12-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele
So what I've learned from this is that at least two of you have been to 
Easter Island


ann

On 12/19/2013 15:12, Igor Roshchin wrote:


Bingo!
You nailed it, Alan!

I forgot to take a photo of the sign with the object, but
this gives a clue (actually, you can see the sign from the back, just
left of the stone sculpture):
http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR06880.jpg

Igor



Thu Dec 19 13:24:59 EST 2013
Alan C wrote:


Don't walk on prone megaliths? Easter Island?

Alan C


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:41 PM
To: PDML at pdml.net
Subject: for sign lovers (Ansan) - a puzzle



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http://42graphy.org/snapshots/misc/_IR06879.jpg

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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 04:56:41PM -0500, Stan Halpin wrote:
 
 On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 
  Nothing is to stupid to be debated on this list!  G:
  
  Dan Matyola
  http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
  
 
 I disagree.

You're right, that should be Nobody is too stupid to debate on this list.

 
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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Larry Colen
On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 04:29:34PM -0500, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 I'm just trying to insert a bit of levity into a weighty situation.
 
 Of course, many photographs are art.  Anything by HC-B, and much of
 that by AA, for easy examples.

I don't know about that, you saw what happened when one of HC-B's 
photos was posted to a critique site.

 
 My photographs are not art.  At best, they are pleasant or nicely
 illustrative.  There are, however, several photographers on this list
 who consistently produce art with their cameras.  To name them would
 tend to get into personal taste and disruptive argumentation.  G

One of my ongoing sources of cognitive dissonance is people mistaking
my photos for art. One way of recognizing the refined taste of the
PDML is that has rarely, if ever, happened here.  

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Re: OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Darren Addy
Well, I'll play Sherlock here.
The lines of the car (we can't discount TRUCK, but the window shape of
the open door suggests CAR to me) are definitely mid-30s. The photo
was taken in 1937, which was essentially the close of the Depression.
So a new car struck me a bit affluent. So I did a little searching.
Assuming that Odessa is Odessa, Texas we can do a little research
on that area. It seems that Ector County was part of the Texas oil
boom, with a big strick in the area in 1926. Odessa became the
shipping and oilfield supply center for the county's burgeoning
petroleum boom. County lands produced almost 12,330,000 barrels of oil
in 1938.  In 1930 3,958 people lived in Ector County; the population
increased to 15,051 in 1940.
http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/hce02

Now let's turn our attention to auto dealerships in Odessa in the
mid-30s. Today there exists a Sewell Ford in Odessa. Did it exist in
the mid-30s? Yep! In fact, In 1935, (Sewell) sons Carl Sr. and Woody,
purchased the the bankrupt Love Motor Company in Odessa. Located at
2nd Street  Texas Avenue, Carl Sewell Motor sold half of their
22-vehicle inventory on opening day. New cars sold from $695 - $1,035.
A new truck could be bought for $635.
http://www.vancesnewsletter.com/sewell-ford-history.html

Could this car be a 1935 Ford Sedan, purchased on that opening day in
1935? Let's take a look: http://goo.gl/UcR6RB
Notice the horizontal bar going across the grill that, if extended,
would go across the top portion of the headlights? It can be seen in
Stan's family picture. Notice the shape of the bottom corners of the
windshield (also a match). Notice the groove running through the
middle of the front bumper?  I'm guessing that we are looking at a
1935 Ford Sedan, purchased from Sewell Ford in Odessa, TX in 1935.
http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=118448

But that's just a guess.
:)



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 No others at this point. My Aunt has many of the photos from that era, but I 
 don't have ready access.

 stan

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

 My first inclination was Ford, too.  Any other pix that show the car any 
 better?

 -p

 On 12/19/2013 2:19 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
 It looks like a ford. Not much to go on here though.

 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 A cousin is working on family history stuff and recently came up with this 
 photo of my father (15 yrs old at the time) and his siblings in 1937.

 The question is, what make/model was the family car?

 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1babf2a8

 Thanks!

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Re: OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Darren Addy
By the way, it appears that the horizontal bars in the grill were not
present in the 1936 Fords.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, I'll play Sherlock here.
 The lines of the car (we can't discount TRUCK, but the window shape of
 the open door suggests CAR to me) are definitely mid-30s. The photo
 was taken in 1937, which was essentially the close of the Depression.
 So a new car struck me a bit affluent. So I did a little searching.
 Assuming that Odessa is Odessa, Texas we can do a little research
 on that area. It seems that Ector County was part of the Texas oil
 boom, with a big strick in the area in 1926. Odessa became the
 shipping and oilfield supply center for the county's burgeoning
 petroleum boom. County lands produced almost 12,330,000 barrels of oil
 in 1938.  In 1930 3,958 people lived in Ector County; the population
 increased to 15,051 in 1940.
 http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/hce02

 Now let's turn our attention to auto dealerships in Odessa in the
 mid-30s. Today there exists a Sewell Ford in Odessa. Did it exist in
 the mid-30s? Yep! In fact, In 1935, (Sewell) sons Carl Sr. and Woody,
 purchased the the bankrupt Love Motor Company in Odessa. Located at
 2nd Street  Texas Avenue, Carl Sewell Motor sold half of their
 22-vehicle inventory on opening day. New cars sold from $695 - $1,035.
 A new truck could be bought for $635.
 http://www.vancesnewsletter.com/sewell-ford-history.html

 Could this car be a 1935 Ford Sedan, purchased on that opening day in
 1935? Let's take a look: http://goo.gl/UcR6RB
 Notice the horizontal bar going across the grill that, if extended,
 would go across the top portion of the headlights? It can be seen in
 Stan's family picture. Notice the shape of the bottom corners of the
 windshield (also a match). Notice the groove running through the
 middle of the front bumper?  I'm guessing that we are looking at a
 1935 Ford Sedan, purchased from Sewell Ford in Odessa, TX in 1935.
 http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=118448

 But that's just a guess.
 :)



 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 No others at this point. My Aunt has many of the photos from that era, but I 
 don't have ready access.

 stan

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

 My first inclination was Ford, too.  Any other pix that show the car any 
 better?

 -p

 On 12/19/2013 2:19 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
 It looks like a ford. Not much to go on here though.

 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 A cousin is working on family history stuff and recently came up with 
 this photo of my father (15 yrs old at the time) and his siblings in 1937.

 The question is, what make/model was the family car?

 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1babf2a8

 Thanks!

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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Stan Halpin

On Dec 19, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Stan Halpin wrote:
 
 On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
 
 Nothing is to stupid to be debated on this list!  G:
 
 Dan Matyola
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 I disagree.
 
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Re: New K-3 firmware update 1.01

2013-12-19 Thread Bruce Walker
Improved stability for general performance was good enough for me. I
installed it just now. Camera came through it fine.


On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Jan van Wijk pen...@dfsee.com wrote:
 On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:27:29 +0100 Dario Bonazza wrote:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/download_digital.html


 Hmm, this looks somewhat interresting:

 - Improved performance of continuous shooting when using 
 phase-matching autofocus.

 Will install it tomorrow :)

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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Bruce Walker
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 /thread

Heh. Optimist.

Try mentioning the war.

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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Bill

On 19/12/2013 6:10 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:


/thread


Heh. Optimist.

Try mentioning the war.


Don't ever mention the war

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Re: OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Stan Halpin
Thanks Darren! Interesting sleuthing, but Odessa may have thrown you off the 
track.
In fact we are dealing with Odessa NY, a burg of 300-500 people at the time. 
(Smaller now.)
Nearest locales likely to have had dealerships (in rough order of distance) 
are: Montour Falls, Watkins Glen, Elmira, Corning, and Ithaca.
My father's family were dairy farmers, and my grandfather was arguably the most 
successful and affluent farmer in that portion of what was and is New York 
State's poorest county. Big fish, small pond. He bought and leased quite a few 
acres from others who didn't have the resources to make it through the 
depression.

On my mother's side, there was a long-standing preference for GM products. On 
my father's side, IIRC the tendency was for Chrysler. I hardly knew my 
grandfather, he died in the early '50s, but from the stories I've heard he was 
likely to go for a good deal, brand-loyalty be damned.

Crank the above into your calculations and see what that produces...

stan

On Dec 19, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

 Well, I'll play Sherlock here.
 The lines of the car (we can't discount TRUCK, but the window shape of
 the open door suggests CAR to me) are definitely mid-30s. The photo
 was taken in 1937, which was essentially the close of the Depression.
 So a new car struck me a bit affluent. So I did a little searching.
 Assuming that Odessa is Odessa, Texas we can do a little research
 on that area. It seems that Ector County was part of the Texas oil
 boom, with a big strick in the area in 1926. Odessa became the
 shipping and oilfield supply center for the county's burgeoning
 petroleum boom. County lands produced almost 12,330,000 barrels of oil
 in 1938.  In 1930 3,958 people lived in Ector County; the population
 increased to 15,051 in 1940.
 http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/hce02
 
 Now let's turn our attention to auto dealerships in Odessa in the
 mid-30s. Today there exists a Sewell Ford in Odessa. Did it exist in
 the mid-30s? Yep! In fact, In 1935, (Sewell) sons Carl Sr. and Woody,
 purchased the the bankrupt Love Motor Company in Odessa. Located at
 2nd Street  Texas Avenue, Carl Sewell Motor sold half of their
 22-vehicle inventory on opening day. New cars sold from $695 - $1,035.
 A new truck could be bought for $635.
 http://www.vancesnewsletter.com/sewell-ford-history.html
 
 Could this car be a 1935 Ford Sedan, purchased on that opening day in
 1935? Let's take a look: http://goo.gl/UcR6RB
 Notice the horizontal bar going across the grill that, if extended,
 would go across the top portion of the headlights? It can be seen in
 Stan's family picture. Notice the shape of the bottom corners of the
 windshield (also a match). Notice the groove running through the
 middle of the front bumper?  I'm guessing that we are looking at a
 1935 Ford Sedan, purchased from Sewell Ford in Odessa, TX in 1935.
 http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=118448
 
 But that's just a guess.
 :)
 
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 No others at this point. My Aunt has many of the photos from that era, but I 
 don't have ready access.
 
 stan
 
 On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
 
 My first inclination was Ford, too.  Any other pix that show the car any 
 better?
 
 -p
 
 On 12/19/2013 2:19 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
 It looks like a ford. Not much to go on here though.
 
 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 A cousin is working on family history stuff and recently came up with 
 this photo of my father (15 yrs old at the time) and his siblings in 1937.
 
 The question is, what make/model was the family car?
 
 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1babf2a8
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I looked for features.
It's got the 2  strips on the door and the vertical lined grille.  Plus the
horizontal bars across the grille, though only one is visible.
The grille is also tall.
Headlights in a similar position and the lower corners of the windshield
round similarly.

I first looked at the 36 Ford, but though the window and door matched the
grille did not.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1936_Ford_Model_68_730_De_Luxe_Fordor
_Touring_Sedan_dk.jpg

So one year old and voila.  I think this is it, or at worst a different
variant of the same year.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1935_Ford_Model_48_730_De_Luxe_Fordor
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Re: OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Darren Addy
Odessa, NY and not Odessa TX? Missed it by THAT much.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Stan Halpin
s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 Thanks Darren! Interesting sleuthing, but Odessa may have thrown you off the 
 track.
 In fact we are dealing with Odessa NY, a burg of 300-500 people at the time. 
 (Smaller now.)
 Nearest locales likely to have had dealerships (in rough order of distance) 
 are: Montour Falls, Watkins Glen, Elmira, Corning, and Ithaca.
 My father's family were dairy farmers, and my grandfather was arguably the 
 most successful and affluent farmer in that portion of what was and is New 
 York State's poorest county. Big fish, small pond. He bought and leased quite 
 a few acres from others who didn't have the resources to make it through the 
 depression.

 On my mother's side, there was a long-standing preference for GM products. On 
 my father's side, IIRC the tendency was for Chrysler. I hardly knew my 
 grandfather, he died in the early '50s, but from the stories I've heard he 
 was likely to go for a good deal, brand-loyalty be damned.

 Crank the above into your calculations and see what that produces...

 stan

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

 Well, I'll play Sherlock here.
 The lines of the car (we can't discount TRUCK, but the window shape of
 the open door suggests CAR to me) are definitely mid-30s. The photo
 was taken in 1937, which was essentially the close of the Depression.
 So a new car struck me a bit affluent. So I did a little searching.
 Assuming that Odessa is Odessa, Texas we can do a little research
 on that area. It seems that Ector County was part of the Texas oil
 boom, with a big strick in the area in 1926. Odessa became the
 shipping and oilfield supply center for the county's burgeoning
 petroleum boom. County lands produced almost 12,330,000 barrels of oil
 in 1938.  In 1930 3,958 people lived in Ector County; the population
 increased to 15,051 in 1940.
 http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/hce02

 Now let's turn our attention to auto dealerships in Odessa in the
 mid-30s. Today there exists a Sewell Ford in Odessa. Did it exist in
 the mid-30s? Yep! In fact, In 1935, (Sewell) sons Carl Sr. and Woody,
 purchased the the bankrupt Love Motor Company in Odessa. Located at
 2nd Street  Texas Avenue, Carl Sewell Motor sold half of their
 22-vehicle inventory on opening day. New cars sold from $695 - $1,035.
 A new truck could be bought for $635.
 http://www.vancesnewsletter.com/sewell-ford-history.html

 Could this car be a 1935 Ford Sedan, purchased on that opening day in
 1935? Let's take a look: http://goo.gl/UcR6RB
 Notice the horizontal bar going across the grill that, if extended,
 would go across the top portion of the headlights? It can be seen in
 Stan's family picture. Notice the shape of the bottom corners of the
 windshield (also a match). Notice the groove running through the
 middle of the front bumper?  I'm guessing that we are looking at a
 1935 Ford Sedan, purchased from Sewell Ford in Odessa, TX in 1935.
 http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=118448

 But that's just a guess.
 :)



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 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 No others at this point. My Aunt has many of the photos from that era, but 
 I don't have ready access.

 stan

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

 My first inclination was Ford, too.  Any other pix that show the car any 
 better?

 -p

 On 12/19/2013 2:19 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
 It looks like a ford. Not much to go on here though.

 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 A cousin is working on family history stuff and recently came up with 
 this photo of my father (15 yrs old at the time) and his siblings in 
 1937.

 The question is, what make/model was the family car?

 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1babf2a8

 Thanks!

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2013-12-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
I click download on the App Store. And the word downloading appears. Then 
nothing. Am I missing something? 

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Re: OSX 10.9 download

2013-12-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
You should see the progress bar in the App Store app showing it downloading. 
It's a very large download … 4 or 5 gigabytes plus … which will take overnight 
on most home network services. (I have decent service here; a 2.75G file I 
needed from the office took almost three hours to download. At the office, it 
would have taken four minutes.)

If you continue to have trouble downloading it, I'd recommend going to an Apple 
Retail Store if there's one reasonably nearby and doing the download and 
installation there. They can also suss out for you if there's some other 
problem. 

G

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Re: OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Rick Womer
Dang, Darren!  I was =really= impressed for about 43 seconds.

Rick

On Dec 19, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

 Thanks Darren! Interesting sleuthing, but Odessa may have thrown you off the 
 track.
 In fact we are dealing with Odessa NY, a burg of 300-500 people at the time. 
 (Smaller now.)
 Nearest locales likely to have had dealerships (in rough order of distance) 
 are: Montour Falls, Watkins Glen, Elmira, Corning, and Ithaca.
 My father's family were dairy farmers, and my grandfather was arguably the 
 most successful and affluent farmer in that portion of what was and is New 
 York State's poorest county. Big fish, small pond. He bought and leased quite 
 a few acres from others who didn't have the resources to make it through the 
 depression.
 
 On my mother's side, there was a long-standing preference for GM products. On 
 my father's side, IIRC the tendency was for Chrysler. I hardly knew my 
 grandfather, he died in the early '50s, but from the stories I've heard he 
 was likely to go for a good deal, brand-loyalty be damned.
 
 Crank the above into your calculations and see what that produces...
 
 stan
 
 On Dec 19, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
 
 Well, I'll play Sherlock here.
 The lines of the car (we can't discount TRUCK, but the window shape of
 the open door suggests CAR to me) are definitely mid-30s. The photo
 was taken in 1937, which was essentially the close of the Depression.
 So a new car struck me a bit affluent. So I did a little searching.
 Assuming that Odessa is Odessa, Texas we can do a little research
 on that area. It seems that Ector County was part of the Texas oil
 boom, with a big strick in the area in 1926. Odessa became the
 shipping and oilfield supply center for the county's burgeoning
 petroleum boom. County lands produced almost 12,330,000 barrels of oil
 in 1938.  In 1930 3,958 people lived in Ector County; the population
 increased to 15,051 in 1940.
 http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/hce02
 
 Now let's turn our attention to auto dealerships in Odessa in the
 mid-30s. Today there exists a Sewell Ford in Odessa. Did it exist in
 the mid-30s? Yep! In fact, In 1935, (Sewell) sons Carl Sr. and Woody,
 purchased the the bankrupt Love Motor Company in Odessa. Located at
 2nd Street  Texas Avenue, Carl Sewell Motor sold half of their
 22-vehicle inventory on opening day. New cars sold from $695 - $1,035.
 A new truck could be bought for $635.
 http://www.vancesnewsletter.com/sewell-ford-history.html
 
 Could this car be a 1935 Ford Sedan, purchased on that opening day in
 1935? Let's take a look: http://goo.gl/UcR6RB
 Notice the horizontal bar going across the grill that, if extended,
 would go across the top portion of the headlights? It can be seen in
 Stan's family picture. Notice the shape of the bottom corners of the
 windshield (also a match). Notice the groove running through the
 middle of the front bumper?  I'm guessing that we are looking at a
 1935 Ford Sedan, purchased from Sewell Ford in Odessa, TX in 1935.
 http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=118448
 
 But that's just a guess.
 :)
 
 
 
 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 No others at this point. My Aunt has many of the photos from that era, but 
 I don't have ready access.
 
 stan
 
 On Dec 19, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
 
 My first inclination was Ford, too.  Any other pix that show the car any 
 better?
 
 -p
 
 On 12/19/2013 2:19 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:
 It looks like a ford. Not much to go on here though.
 
 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Stan Halpin
 s...@stans-photography.info wrote:
 A cousin is working on family history stuff and recently came up with 
 this photo of my father (15 yrs old at the time) and his siblings in 
 1937.
 
 The question is, what make/model was the family car?
 
 http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1babf2a8
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: OT: Old-car identification?

2013-12-19 Thread Stan Halpin
Thanks Collin, I think you've got it!

stan

On Dec 19, 2013, at 7:51 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

 I looked for features.
 It's got the 2  strips on the door and the vertical lined grille.  Plus the
 horizontal bars across the grille, though only one is visible.
 The grille is also tall.
 Headlights in a similar position and the lower corners of the windshield
 round similarly.
 
 I first looked at the 36 Ford, but though the window and door matched the
 grille did not.
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1936_Ford_Model_68_730_De_Luxe_Fordor
 _Touring_Sedan_dk.jpg
 
 So one year old and voila.  I think this is it, or at worst a different
 variant of the same year.
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1935_Ford_Model_48_730_De_Luxe_Fordor
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Re: OSX 10.9 download

2013-12-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Thanks Godfrey. It downloaded in about 30 minutes. I thought I'd see a progress 
bar in the download folder. 

Paul via phone

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:
 
 You should see the progress bar in the App Store app showing it downloading. 
 It's a very large download … 4 or 5 gigabytes plus … which will take 
 overnight on most home network services. (I have decent service here; a 2.75G 
 file I needed from the office took almost three hours to download. At the 
 office, it would have taken four minutes.)
 
 If you continue to have trouble downloading it, I'd recommend going to an 
 Apple Retail Store if there's one reasonably nearby and doing the download 
 and installation there. They can also suss out for you if there's some other 
 problem. 
 
 G
 
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OT: Coolest email I've gotten in a while...

2013-12-19 Thread Charles Robinson
Just got this in my inbox:

Dear Charles,

my name is Wolfgang Flür, I was a Kraftwerk member from 1973-1986 (all albums / 
tours), the electro drummer.
Today I have found your photos from us of the 1981 Computerworld tour in Bremen 
and am so what of excited. You are a very good photographer I find.
My quest is if I can use some for them for my website like a little slideshow 
for instance for all Kraftwerk fans and include your photographer's name of 
course.
Would be very nice to hear positive from you. Are you still living in Germany?

Very best greetings, merry Christmas and happy new year to you and your family,

Wolfgang Flür

WOW!

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Re: OSX 10.9 download

2013-12-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
But my startup hard drive is toast. Of course I have multiple backups.

Paul via phone

 On Dec 19, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 Thanks Godfrey. It downloaded in about 30 minutes. I thought I'd see a 
 progress bar in the download folder. 
 
 Paul via phone
 
 On Dec 19, 2013, at 8:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote:
 
 You should see the progress bar in the App Store app showing it downloading. 
 It's a very large download … 4 or 5 gigabytes plus … which will take 
 overnight on most home network services. (I have decent service here; a 
 2.75G file I needed from the office took almost three hours to download. At 
 the office, it would have taken four minutes.)
 
 If you continue to have trouble downloading it, I'd recommend going to an 
 Apple Retail Store if there's one reasonably nearby and doing the download 
 and installation there. They can also suss out for you if there's some other 
 problem. 
 
 G
 
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Re: OSX 10.9 download

2013-12-19 Thread steve harley

on 2013-12-19 17:58 Paul Stenquist wrote

I click download on the App Store. And the word downloading appears. Then 
nothing. Am I missing something?


Apple lately seems to assume everyone has immense bandwidth and thus needs no 
feedback about anything coming down the pipe …


a tip, for others if not you, Paul:

you can quit the App Store and see the download status as a lo-fi thermometer 
in an icon in Launchpad; you can click on this icon to pause the download if 
you temporarily need bandwidth for something else; click again to resume


i know this because i have just completed the 5.3GB download over the last 
three days on my 60KB/s crap DSL; now i've got two SSDs to install in two 
laptops and a bunch of cloning and deauthorizing/reauthorizing to do




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Re: OT: Coolest email I've gotten in a while...

2013-12-19 Thread steve harley

on 2013-12-19 19:47 Charles Robinson wrote

Just got this in my inbox:

Dear Charles,

my name is Wolfgang Flür, I was a Kraftwerk member from 1973-1986 (all albums / 
tours), the electro drummer.


that is nice, all you work i not in vain

much nicer than the are you *THE* Steve Harley? emails i get now and then


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Re: What is photographic art?

2013-12-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I'll never get over Macho Grande!

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 19/12/2013 6:10 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:


 /thread


 Heh. Optimist.

 Try mentioning the war.

 Don't ever mention the war


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Re: OT: Coolest email I've gotten in a while...

2013-12-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
That's very cool -- and flattering.

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On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
 Just got this in my inbox:

 Dear Charles,

 my name is Wolfgang Flür, I was a Kraftwerk member from 1973-1986 (all albums 
 / tours), the electro drummer.
 Today I have found your photos from us of the 1981 Computerworld tour in 
 Bremen and am so what of excited. You are a very good photographer I find.
 My quest is if I can use some for them for my website like a little slideshow 
 for instance for all Kraftwerk fans and include your photographer's name of 
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 Would be very nice to hear positive from you. Are you still living in Germany?

 Very best greetings, merry Christmas and happy new year to you and your 
 family,

 Wolfgang Flür

 WOW!

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