Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

2014-03-19 Thread David Mann
On Mar 16, 2014, at 4:28 am, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:

 Thought our PDML cyclists might enjoy a gander at this solution for storing 
 your bikes.  Kind of cool.
 Cheers, Christine
 
 
 http://www.gizmag.com/shelfie-store-bike-seat-weight/31217/pictures#1

That's quite interesting.  Triathletes often hook their bikes onto the racks 
using the seat in that way.

The Marin bike in the second pic is very interesting to me.  I've never seen 
rear suspension like that; it must be an early design.  It looks very heavy.

I'd never hang a bike like that in my house as I'd be too prone to catching a 
pedal or handlebar.  I don't have enough wall space to hang my bikes inside 
anyway :)

Cheers,
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Re: Not so interesting post at Luminous Landscape on why the Photo industry is in the dumper.

2014-03-19 Thread David Mann
On Mar 16, 2014, at 1:38 pm, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oz rode it out pretty well, but then we have some of the worlds the
 most strictly imposed government banking fiduciary rules and
 regulations too.

Our banks are doing well but that's because the vast majority of them (by size) 
are owned by Aussies.  That, and we're selling a cubic snotload of dairy 
products to China.

The building industry is booming due to the earthquake recovery.  It's reported 
to be boosting the economy but it seems more like a broken window fallacy to 
me.  The net effect will be negative as people are not getting fully paid out 
by their insurers.  At least your government stood up to them after the QLD 
floods.  No such luck here.

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OT: Challenge Wanaka on UK Channel 4

2014-03-19 Thread David Mann
This is the race I did in January (I did the easy half-distance option).  If 
you don't care for the sport, watch for the scenery :)

07:30 on Sunday 23rd March.  Looks like you're getting a bit short-changed 
though as it's only half an hour.

I just remembered I still have more photos to go through from that trip.  Pity 
I have about a million boxes to unpack.

Cheers,
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Re: Lucky you if you rented expensive gear from Calumet yesterday...

2014-03-19 Thread Joseph McAllister
Ditto Ken's info on Atlex.

Joseph


On Mar 13, 2014, at 13:26 , Ken Waller wrote:

 Christine FWIW - Atlex http://www.atlex.com/ is a good source for inks  
 papers. I've been using them for years and find not only do they have the 
 products but their prices beat every local source.
 
 Kenneth Waller
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
 
 - Original Message - From: Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com
 Subject: Re: Lucky you if you rented expensive gear from Calumet yesterday...
 
 
 Wow.  Truly bad news.
 
 While downtown the other day, I stopped at the independently owned Central 
 Camera on Wabash ave to get a set of printer ink for the R2880 and some 13 x 
 19 inch Velvet Fine Art paper.  Shockingly, Central Camera and absolutely no 
 ink to sell for the R2880—none—zippo, and the bins for ink cartridges for 
 other printer types were also utterly empty.  No Velvet Fine Art paper was to 
 be found as well.  It seemed so odd, and I facetiously said, “are you going 
 out of business,” and the guy said no—just out.  So I placed my order with 
 BH photo and should get it next week.
 
 With Calumet going out of business and the shelves not looking so good at 
 Central Camera, it will be tough for photographers in Chicago in future.
 
 Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO: High Wire Walker

2014-03-19 Thread Rick Womer
Is she carrying something in her right hand? Or is that background clutter?

Rick


http://photo.net/photos/RickW



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Re: PESO: High Wire Walker

2014-03-19 Thread Bruce Walker
Looks like a folding fan to me.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Is she carrying something in her right hand? Or is that background clutter?

 Rick


 http://photo.net/photos/RickW


 
 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
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 Subject: PESO: High Wire Walker


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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

2014-03-19 Thread Bruce Walker
Might not be suitable for these seats ...
http://artctrldel.com/component/easyblog/entry/bike-seat-sculptures-by-clem-chen?Itemid=117


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Christine Aguila
christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Thought our PDML cyclists might enjoy a gander at this solution for storing 
 your bikes.  Kind of cool.
 Cheers, Christine


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Re: PESO: High Wire Walker

2014-03-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks for looking, Rick and Bruce.

Yes, she is holding a folding white fan, that she flourishes as she
extends her arms for balance.  The fan posed a problem for me, as it
was difficult getting an image where her posture and facial expression
were interesting and appropriate and the fan was not an annoying
distraction, as it apparently is in this shot.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Is she carrying something in her right hand? Or is that background clutter?

 Rick


 http://photo.net/photos/RickW


 
 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:06 PM
 Subject: PESO: High Wire Walker


 This is the partner to the Wire Walker I posted previously:
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 Comments are invited.

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Re: Ecstacy

2014-03-19 Thread Alan C
They say Kruger has an overpopulation of Ellies so all you have to do is 
find a sponsor  start negotiating. BTW, glad to hear you have moved back 
home.


Alan C

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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:25 AM
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On Mar 16, 2014, at 6:04 pm, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:


A Bull Elephant scratching his behind.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/13182963513/lightbox/


I guess he's learned not to scratch there with his trunk.

Elephants are the one thing I wish our wildlife park had.  But they do have 
three species of big cats so I can't complain too much.


Cheers,
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Re: High Wire Walker

2014-03-19 Thread Alan C

Dan, it looks like she is fitted with a mike too? Great shot.

Alan C

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Thanks for looking, Rick and Bruce.

Yes, she is holding a folding white fan, that she flourishes as she
extends her arms for balance.  The fan posed a problem for me, as it
was difficult getting an image where her posture and facial expression
were interesting and appropriate and the fan was not an annoying
distraction, as it apparently is in this shot.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
Is she carrying something in her right hand? Or is that background 
clutter?


Rick


http://photo.net/photos/RickW



From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
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Subject: PESO: High Wire Walker


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Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO: High Wire Walker

2014-03-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Grrit.

I had better luck this year, using the smc DA 50mm F1.8 than I had
last year with a zoom lens.
Dan Matyola
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Gerrit Visser gerrit...@psgv.ca wrote:
 Well done.

 My recent efforts at the Sasasota Circus trying for similar captures
 illustrated the challenges of avialable light photography, aka fail, with my
 WGS2
 gerrit


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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

2014-03-19 Thread steve harley

on 2014-03-19 24:05 David Mann wrote

http://www.gizmag.com/shelfie-store-bike-seat-weight/31217/pictures#1


That's quite interesting.  Triathletes often hook their bikes onto the racks 
using the seat in that way.

The Marin bike in the second pic is very interesting to me.  I've never seen 
rear suspension like that; it must be an early design.  It looks very heavy.


yeah, speaking of minimal gruppos

it's a suspension fork used as seat stays; probably 1995 Marin Team FRS (design 
licensed from Manitou, which had produced similar bikes for a couple of years; 
have never seen on in person myself, but i have one of Marin's better steel 
bikes from 1995 (Pine Mountain)




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Re: metz question

2014-03-19 Thread John

On 3/18/2014 10:39 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:

The new Vivitar Corporation sells brandy new 285HV flash units so
they have new parts as well.
 Sadly the wiring is probably as cheep as possible, but then again I
expect the same is true of the TT560 as both units are made in China,
land of the Cut Corners.



I find both the yonguo and the MPEX dumb strobes quite intriguing.


285HVs just aren't that interesting any more, there are so many good
options out there.

The YN560iii flashes would be better if yongnuo would get around to
releasing the (now 6 months late) YN560TX.

But currently, I'm really liking my Godox V850s (which are nice and
cheap) and AD360s (not so much).

It really is so nice to not have AAs in them anymore.  And of course,
remote power control...

- Peter




OTOH - I  already have the 285HVs. ... and the Quantum Turbo Batteries 
to power them.


I see no need to replace what already works.

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Re: PESO: High Wire Walker

2014-03-19 Thread John

FWIW, I don't think it's a distraction in that shot.

On 3/19/2014 9:14 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Thanks for looking, Rick and Bruce.

Yes, she is holding a folding white fan, that she flourishes as she
extends her arms for balance.  The fan posed a problem for me, as it
was difficult getting an image where her posture and facial expression
were interesting and appropriate and the fan was not an annoying
distraction, as it apparently is in this shot.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

Is she carrying something in her right hand? Or is that background clutter?

Rick


http://photo.net/photos/RickW



From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:06 PM
Subject: PESO: High Wire Walker


This is the partner to the Wire Walker I posted previously:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17711965
Comments are invited.

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Re: GESO [Facebook] Steam on Queen

2014-03-19 Thread Attila Boros
Looks like great fun, and you've got some nice goggles!

I like the portrait of this guy
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152330824459948set=a.10152330823584948.1073741832.555699947type=3l=86043c78e6theater
Trench coat never gets old:)

And also this one:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152330827154948set=a.10152330823584948.1073741832.555699947type=3l=86043c78e6theater
Cute smile, and something caught her eye. Makes me wonder what could it be.

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here are some snaps from the Steampunk vendors and diversions event
 that I attended on Sunday ...

 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152330823584948.1073741832.555699947type=1l=86043c78e6

 Wearing a semblance of appropriate attire myself I felt much more
 comfortable mingling and shooting candidly. I seemed to be accepted as
 one of us. But one thing about Steampunkers and cosplayers is they
 sure ain't camera shy. The Flamenco-Steampunk fusion dancer Zíngari
 cheerfully insisted on posing with my wife.

 Apologies for the Facebook presentation, but it's expedient.

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Re: Opinions

2014-03-19 Thread Attila Boros
First thing I see is the woman with her head cropped and skin tones
too bright. Then I observe the reflection and I was expecting to see
her face, but there's a man's head instead. This is surprising and
confusing but in a good way, it grabs my interest, I'm trying to
figure out what the heck is going on here. I would try a different
processing.

On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:12 AM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:
 I'd be interested to hear your reaction this photo, please:

 http://www.web-options.com/Panorama.jpg

 Love it or hate it, I don't mind, but if you have an opinion I'd love to hear 
 why you think whatever it is you think about it.

 Thanks,
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Re: OT: Shelfie for Cyclists

2014-03-19 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 19 Mar 2014, at 17:43, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 
 on 2014-03-19 24:05 David Mann wrote
 http://www.gizmag.com/shelfie-store-bike-seat-weight/31217/pictures#1
 
 That's quite interesting.  Triathletes often hook their bikes onto the racks 
 using the seat in that way.
 
 The Marin bike in the second pic is very interesting to me.  I've never seen 
 rear suspension like that; it must be an early design.  It looks very heavy.
 
 yeah, speaking of minimal gruppos
 
 it's a suspension fork used as seat stays; probably 1995 Marin Team FRS 
 (design licensed from Manitou, which had produced similar bikes for a couple 
 of years; have never seen on in person myself, but i have one of Marin's 
 better steel bikes from 1995 (Pine Mountain)

My previous bike was a 1994 Marin Stinson, which I had until a couple of years 
ago. I gave it to one of my brothers when I got the Roberts. 

They're great bikes the steel Marins from that era. When it was new people used 
to shout Marin! when I rode past. Even when it was over 15 years old people 
sometimes still complimented it. But when I got back on it after riding the 
Roberts I wondered how I put up with it for so many years.

B
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Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
The converter arrived today. It’s gray and wet outside and not a bird to be 
heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All shot wide open 
with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached. 

Here’s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn’t washed 
her hair:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

Here’s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn’t washed her hair:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

Here’s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her plants. 
It’s at a more modest ISO 3200
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center for 
some birding next week.

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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Well, I sure screwed that up!
Here’s the tight crop of Grace:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712606size=lg

And here’s the silly sign:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712603size=lg
On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 The converter arrived today. It’s gray and wet outside and not a bird to be 
 heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All shot wide open 
 with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached. 
 
 Here’s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn’t washed 
 her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here’s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn’t washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here’s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her 
 plants. It’s at a more modest ISO 3200
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center for 
 some birding next week.
 
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Re: PESO: A nice surprise

2014-03-19 Thread Attila Boros
Very nice warm colors, wouldn't guess it's a cemetery. Weather is
fluctuating here, but warming up on average.

On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 4:01 AM, Jeffery Johnson
jefferytjohn...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 We had a pleasant surprise while back visiting Mount Olivet Cemetery here in
 Nashville TN. It was signs of Spring.

 Saucer Magnolia Blooms On Tree
 http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/p893991559/e2a0aea2e

 A Lone Yellow Daffodil or growing up we called them Buttercups
 http://www.photocapturesbyjeffery.com/p893991559/e108125da

 Don't worry Ann it is safe to view the two links as they are not the actual
 cemetery and the gallery they are in is for flowers and blooms.

 Nice to see Spring.
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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 19, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 Well, I sure screwed that up!
 Here’s the tight crop of Grace:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712606size=lg

Dayum!

I’d say that is reasonably sharp.

 
 And here’s the silly sign:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712603size=lg
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 The converter arrived today. It’s gray and wet outside and not a bird to be 
 heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All shot wide open 
 with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached. 
 
 Here’s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn’t 
 washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here’s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn’t washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here’s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her 
 plants. It’s at a more modest ISO 3200
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center for 
 some birding next week.
 
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High ISO: 10,000 and 16,000

2014-03-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
Talking of High-ISO shooting, here yoy can find a few shots I'm quite happy 
with:

www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5S32947.jpg (ISO 10,000)
www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5S32910.jpg (ISO 16,000)

That's why I don't feel the urge to go K-3.

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Re: High ISO: 10,000 and 16,000

2014-03-19 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 19, 2014, at 16:23 , Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:

 Talking of High-ISO shooting, here yoy can find a few shots I'm quite happy 
 with:
 www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5S32947.jpg (ISO 10,000)
 www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5S32910.jpg (ISO 16,000)
 

Any noise reduction applied, or is that how they came out of the camera?

Those look pretty good!

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Re: High ISO: 10,000 and 16,000

2014-03-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
Some noise reduction applied in Photoshop CS6, while converting RAW into 
JPEG.


Dario

-Messaggio originale- 
From: Charles Robinson

Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:51 PM
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Subject: Re: High ISO: 10,000 and 16,000

On Mar 19, 2014, at 16:23 , Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:

Talking of High-ISO shooting, here yoy can find a few shots I'm quite 
happy with:

www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5S32947.jpg (ISO 10,000)
www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5S32910.jpg (ISO 16,000)



Any noise reduction applied, or is that how they came out of the camera?

Those look pretty good!

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Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread David J Brooks
Hi all

I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
that's a bit to slow.
The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
photo.

So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

Another is on order for Saturday

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining 
it the nickname of the sloth. Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower 
than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good 
candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find 
it THAT slow as you pointed out.
There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and 
is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting 
forever while you try  find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you 
spotted.


Dario

-Messaggio originale- 
From: David J Brooks

Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
To: Pentax Discuss
Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

Hi all

I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
that's a bit to slow.
The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
photo.

So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

Another is on order for Saturday

Dave

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread David J Brooks
Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.

Dave

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining
 it the nickname of the sloth. Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
 than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good
 candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find
 it THAT slow as you pointed out.
 There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
 is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
 forever while you try  find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
 spotted.

 Dario

 -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
 To: Pentax Discuss
 Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question


 Hi all

 I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
 nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
 I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
 hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
 that's a bit to slow.
 The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
 faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
 as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
 anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
 photo.

 So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
 or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
 focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

 Another is on order for Saturday

 Dave

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread Bruce Walker
What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?

Try AF outdoors.

When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...

This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
 exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
 it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
 Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.

 Dave

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
 dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining
 it the nickname of the sloth. Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
 than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good
 candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find
 it THAT slow as you pointed out.
 There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
 is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
 forever while you try  find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
 spotted.

 Dario

 -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
 To: Pentax Discuss
 Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question


 Hi all

 I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
 nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
 I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
 hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
 that's a bit to slow.
 The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
 faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
 as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
 anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
 photo.

 So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
 or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
 focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

 Another is on order for Saturday

 Dave

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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Jack Davis


Paul,
The sign could be impressive, but I haven't any settings, size or distance info.
Would be interested in an f/8ish, solidly rested shot of something fairly 
intricate, such as the sign.
Does the sign shot qualify?

Thanks,

Jack





From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net 
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter


Well, I sure screwed that up!
Here’s the tight crop of Grace:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712606size=lg

And here’s the silly sign:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712603size=lg
On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 The converter arrived today. It’s gray and wet outside and not a bird to be 
 heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All shot wide open 
 with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached. 
 
 Here’s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn’t washed 
 her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here’s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn’t washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here’s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her 
 plants. It’s at a more modest ISO 3200
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center for 
 some birding next week.
 
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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Bruce Walker
Well, I put that 1.4x on my list of highly desirable future buys.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Well, I sure screwed that up!
 Here’s the tight crop of Grace:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712606size=lg

 And here’s the silly sign:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712603size=lg
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 The converter arrived today. It’s gray and wet outside and not a bird to be 
 heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All shot wide open 
 with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached.

 Here’s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn’t 
 washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

 Here’s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn’t washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

 Here’s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her 
 plants. It’s at a more modest ISO 3200
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

 Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center for 
 some birding next week.

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread David J Brooks
Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds  to get in focus. out
side 1-2 seconds
Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to
order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good
Even sales man said its to slow


Dave

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?

 Try AF outdoors.

 When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
 while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...

 This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
 still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
 exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
 it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
 Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.

 Dave

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
 dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, gaining
 it the nickname of the sloth. Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
 than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good
 candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't find
 it THAT slow as you pointed out.
 There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
 is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
 forever while you try  find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
 spotted.

 Dario

 -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
 To: Pentax Discuss
 Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question


 Hi all

 I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
 nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
 I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
 hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
 that's a bit to slow.
 The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
 faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
 as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
 anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
 photo.

 So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
 or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
 focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

 Another is on order for Saturday

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Re: GESO [Facebook] Steam on Queen

2014-03-19 Thread Bruce Walker
Mr. Trench Coat was one of the many attendees who came just to see and
be seen. The whole room was a visual feast, with imaginative outfits
and wacky gadgets everywhere you looked, so the girl could have had
her attention caught by just about anything.

Thank you, Attila!


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looks like great fun, and you've got some nice goggles!

 I like the portrait of this guy
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152330824459948set=a.10152330823584948.1073741832.555699947type=3l=86043c78e6theater
 Trench coat never gets old:)

 And also this one:
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152330827154948set=a.10152330823584948.1073741832.555699947type=3l=86043c78e6theater
 Cute smile, and something caught her eye. Makes me wonder what could it be.

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 Here are some snaps from the Steampunk vendors and diversions event
 that I attended on Sunday ...

 https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152330823584948.1073741832.555699947type=1l=86043c78e6

 Wearing a semblance of appropriate attire myself I felt much more
 comfortable mingling and shooting candidly. I seemed to be accepted as
 one of us. But one thing about Steampunkers and cosplayers is they
 sure ain't camera shy. The Flamenco-Steampunk fusion dancer Zíngari
 cheerfully insisted on posing with my wife.

 Apologies for the Facebook presentation, but it's expedient.

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread Bruce Walker
One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really
thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your
own?


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds  to get in focus. out
 side 1-2 seconds
 Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to
 order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good
 Even sales man said its to slow


 Dave

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?

 Try AF outdoors.

 When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
 while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...

 This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
 still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
 exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
 it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
 Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.

 Dave

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
 dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, 
 gaining
 it the nickname of the sloth. Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
 than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good
 candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't 
 find
 it THAT slow as you pointed out.
 There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
 is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
 forever while you try  find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
 spotted.

 Dario

 -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
 To: Pentax Discuss
 Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question


 Hi all

 I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
 nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
 I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
 hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
 that's a bit to slow.
 The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
 faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
 as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
 anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
 photo.

 So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
 or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
 focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

 Another is on order for Saturday

 Dave

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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
As indicated in the original post, they’re all shot wide open at 250mm. With 
the convert attached to the DA* 60-250/4, wide open is f5.6. All are handheld/


On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
 
 Paul,
 The sign could be impressive, but I haven't any settings, size or distance 
 info.
 Would be interested in an f/8ish, solidly rested shot of something fairly 
 intricate, such as the sign.
 Does the sign shot qualify?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jack
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:06 PM
 Subject: Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter
 
 
 Well, I sure screwed that up!
 Here’s the tight crop of Grace:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712606size=lg
 
 And here’s the silly sign:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712603size=lg
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 The converter arrived today. It’s gray and wet outside and not a bird to be 
 heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All shot wide open 
 with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached. 
 
 Here’s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn’t 
 washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here’s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn’t washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here’s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her 
 plants. It’s at a more modest ISO 3200
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center for 
 some birding next week.
 
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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
The 17-70/4 that Pentax loaned me earlier this year was very fast to lock on 
focus with the K-3. Almost instantaneous in good light and quite fast even in 
dim light.
Paul
On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:17 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all
 
 I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
 nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
 I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
 hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
 that's a bit to slow.
 The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
 faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
 as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
 anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
 photo.
 
 So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
 or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
 focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.
 
 Another is on order for Saturday
 
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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Larry Colen

On Mar 19, 2014, at 3:58 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Well, I put that 1.4x on my list of highly desirable future buys.

I’d settle for a 60-250.


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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread David J Brooks
Not even sure this store stocks Pentax cameras, i'll find out Sat

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really
 thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your
 own?


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds  to get in focus. out
 side 1-2 seconds
 Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to
 order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good
 Even sales man said its to slow


 Dave

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?

 Try AF outdoors.

 When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
 while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...

 This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
 still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
 exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
 it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
 Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.

 Dave

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
 dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, 
 gaining
 it the nickname of the sloth. Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
 than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a good
 candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't 
 find
 it THAT slow as you pointed out.
 There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and
 is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
 forever while you try  find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
 spotted.

 Dario

 -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
 To: Pentax Discuss
 Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question


 Hi all

 I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
 nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
 I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
 hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
 that's a bit to slow.
 The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
 faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
 as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
 anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
 photo.

 So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
 or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
 focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

 Another is on order for Saturday

 Dave

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks Paul. I
d be happy if it focused as well as my 50-200 which is not like the
70-200 Nikon but its fast enough for me. This copy was so slow it
would be useless unless doing still life's.

Dave

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 The 17-70/4 that Pentax loaned me earlier this year was very fast to lock on 
 focus with the K-3. Almost instantaneous in good light and quite fast even in 
 dim light.
 Paul
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:17 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all

 I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
 nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
 I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
 hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
 that's a bit to slow.
 The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
 faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
 as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
 anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
 photo.

 So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
 or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
 focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

 Another is on order for Saturday

 Dave

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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread Bruce Walker
It's a Henry's isn't it? My K-3 came from the unfashionable Brampton
store where they had one counter-width devoted to Pentax. Quite well
represented, I thought.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Not even sure this store stocks Pentax cameras, i'll find out Sat

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
 One last thought: make sure you clean the mount contacts really
 thoroughly. And did you try it on another camera body besides your
 own?


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:58 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Inside and outside. Inside 2 may be 3 seconds  to get in focus. out
 side 1-2 seconds
 Another is on order for Sat if its still the same i'll get them to
 order me the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4 the PF review is good
 Even sales man said its to slow


 Dave

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 What kind of light was illuminating your subject? How contrasty was it?

 Try AF outdoors.

 When working correctly on the K20D, SDM can focus in something like
 0.2 seconds. But in reduced light you can count on many seconds --
 while the smile fades from your portrait subject ...

 This all improves quite noticeably on the K-3. But really low light
 still causes problems that I solve by switching to MF.


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:43 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Could be, i mostly tried it at 650-70 length. It was and i', m not
 exagerating at least 2-3 if not more seconds to focus. You could see
 it in th efinder getting closer and closer and hey there ist in focus.
 Not sure i want something i need to just hold and hope.

 Dave

 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 6:31 PM, Dario Bonazza
 dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, 
 gaining
 it the nickname of the sloth. Generally speaking, SDM lenses are slower
 than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is a 
 good
 candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I don't 
 find
 it THAT slow as you pointed out.
 There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens 
 and
 is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting
 forever while you try  find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you
 spotted.

 Dario

 -Messaggio originale- From: David J Brooks
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
 To: Pentax Discuss
 Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question


 Hi all

 I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
 nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
 I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
 hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
 2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
 that's a bit to slow.
 The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
 faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
 as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
 anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
 photo.

 So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
 or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
 focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

 Another is on order for Saturday

 Dave

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RE: High ISO: 10,000 and 16,000

2014-03-19 Thread Gerrit Visser
Very crispy
Love my K5 for high iso
Gerrit

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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Dario Bonazza
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 5:23 PM
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Subject: High ISO: 10,000 and 16,000

Talking of High-ISO shooting, here yoy can find a few shots I'm quite happy
with:
www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5S32947.jpg (ISO 10,000)
www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5S32910.jpg (ISO 16,000)

That's why I don't feel the urge to go K-3.

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Re: High ISO: 10,000 and 16,000

2014-03-19 Thread Rob Studdert
I'm thinking of trying to pick up a K5IIs to replace my K5 as I still
prefer the dynamics and noise characteristics of the K5 sensor over
the K3. I shot a show Sunday night 1600+ shots using both the K5 and
K3 set at ISO6400 in both cases. The K5 shots look best (when I could
achieve focus)


On 20 March 2014 08:23, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
 Talking of High-ISO shooting, here yoy can find a few shots I'm quite happy
 with:
 www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5S32947.jpg (ISO 10,000)
 www.dariobonazza.com/public/K5S32910.jpg (ISO 16,000)

 That's why I don't feel the urge to go K-3.

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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Kenneth Waller

Paul, any idea what the f stops were for those?

-Original Message-
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Sent: Mar 19, 2014 5:06 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

Well, I sure screwed that up!
Here’s the tight crop of Grace:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712606size=lg

And here’s the silly sign:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712603size=lg
On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 The converter arrived today. It’s gray and wet outside and not a bird to be 
 heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All shot wide open 
 with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached. 
 
 Here’s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn’t 
 washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here’s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn’t washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here’s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her 
 plants. It’s at a more modest ISO 3200
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center for 
 some birding next week.



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Re: High Wire Walker

2014-03-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Alan.  Yes, that is a mike.

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On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
 Dan, it looks like she is fitted with a mike too? Great shot.

 Alan C

 -Original Message- From: Daniel J. Matyola
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:14 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: PESO: High Wire Walker

 Thanks for looking, Rick and Bruce.

 Yes, she is holding a folding white fan, that she flourishes as she
 extends her arms for balance.  The fan posed a problem for me, as it
 was difficult getting an image where her posture and facial expression
 were interesting and appropriate and the fan was not an annoying
 distraction, as it apparently is in this shot.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Is she carrying something in her right hand? Or is that background
 clutter?

 Rick


 http://photo.net/photos/RickW


 
 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:06 PM
 Subject: PESO: High Wire Walker


 This is the partner to the Wire Walker I posted previously:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17711965
 Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO: High Wire Walker

2014-03-19 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, John.
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:54 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote:
 FWIW, I don't think it's a distraction in that shot.


 On 3/19/2014 9:14 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 Thanks for looking, Rick and Bruce.

 Yes, she is holding a folding white fan, that she flourishes as she
 extends her arms for balance.  The fan posed a problem for me, as it
 was difficult getting an image where her posture and facial expression
 were interesting and appropriate and the fan was not an annoying
 distraction, as it apparently is in this shot.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Is she carrying something in her right hand? Or is that background
 clutter?

 Rick


 http://photo.net/photos/RickW


 
 From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:06 PM
 Subject: PESO: High Wire Walker


 This is the partner to the Wire Walker I posted previously:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17711965
 Comments are invited.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread John Francis

He says they're all shot wide open, which would be f/5.6
(f/4 from the 60-250 at full aperture, 1.4x from the TC)

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 08:42:03PM -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote:
 
 Paul, any idea what the f stops were for those?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Sent: Mar 19, 2014 5:06 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter
 
 Well, I sure screwed that up!
 Here?s the tight crop of Grace:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712606size=lg
 
 And here?s the silly sign:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712603size=lg
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  The converter arrived today. It?s gray and wet outside and not a bird to 
  be heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All shot wide 
  open with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached. 
  
  Here?s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn?t 
  washed her hair:
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
  
  Here?s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn?t washed her hair:
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
  
  Here?s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her 
  plants. It?s at a more modest ISO 3200
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
  
  Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center 
  for some birding next week.
 
 
 
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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Yep, they were all shot wide open, which translates to f5.6.


On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:45 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:

 
 He says they're all shot wide open, which would be f/5.6
 (f/4 from the 60-250 at full aperture, 1.4x from the TC)
 
 On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 08:42:03PM -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote:
 
 Paul, any idea what the f stops were for those?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
 Sent: Mar 19, 2014 5:06 PM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter
 
 Well, I sure screwed that up!
 Here?s the tight crop of Grace:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712606size=lg
 
 And here?s the silly sign:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712603size=lg
 On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 The converter arrived today. It?s gray and wet outside and not a bird to 
 be heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All shot wide 
 open with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached. 
 
 Here?s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn?t 
 washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here?s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn?t washed her hair:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Here?s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her 
 plants. It?s at a more modest ISO 3200
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg
 
 Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center 
 for some birding next week.
 
 
 
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Re: Ecstacy

2014-03-19 Thread David Mann
Might be a bit cold in the winter for them this far south.

I'm glad to be home as well, they made a pretty good job of the place but we 
have some ideas for renovations, starting with the kitchen.  A lot of houses 
are going on the market after being repaired.  Makes sense when they've just 
had a free redecoration.

After nearly four days I have taken care of all the boxes in the living room, 
most of the dining area and the bare necessities in the bedroom.  The spare 
rooms look a bit overwhelming but one of those is the wife's responsibility.

The packers were awesome but it was funny finding not one but two burnt-out 
light bulbs in one of the boxes.  We hadn't got around to throwing them away 
and they just pack what's there!

Cheers,
Dave

On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:50 am, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

 They say Kruger has an overpopulation of Ellies so all you have to do is find 
 a sponsor  start negotiating. BTW, glad to hear you have moved back home.
 
 Alan C
 
 -Original Message- From: David Mann
 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:25 AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: PESO: Ecstacy
 
 On Mar 16, 2014, at 6:04 pm, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
 
 A Bull Elephant scratching his behind.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/13182963513/lightbox/
 
 I guess he's learned not to scratch there with his trunk.
 
 Elephants are the one thing I wish our wildlife park had.  But they do have 
 three species of big cats so I can't complain too much.
 
 Cheers,
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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Ken Waller
Would be really interested to see at which f stop the convertor fails to 
focus and how quickly it focuses compared to the focus of the lens by 
itself.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net

Subject: Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter


As indicated in the original post, they’re all shot wide open at 250mm. With 
the convert attached to the DA* 60-250/4, wide open is f5.6. All are 
handheld/



On Mar 19, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:




Paul,
The sign could be impressive, but I haven't any settings, size or distance 
info.
Would be interested in an f/8ish, solidly rested shot of something fairly 
intricate, such as the sign.

Does the sign shot qualify?

Thanks,

Jack





From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter


Well, I sure screwed that up!
Here’s the tight crop of Grace:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712606size=lg

And here’s the silly sign:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712603size=lg
On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
wrote:


The converter arrived today. It’s gray and wet outside and not a bird to 
be heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All shot 
wide open with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached.


Here’s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn’t 
washed her hair:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

Here’s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn’t washed her 
hair:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

Here’s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her 
plants. It’s at a more modest ISO 3200

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center 
for some birding next week.


Paul




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Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

2014-03-19 Thread Ken Waller
Without a side by side comparison I wouldn't say my 16-50 mm f2.8 D* is 
significantly slower than any of my screw drive lenses. Seems noticeably 
faster - and definitely quieter.


Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it

Subject: Re: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question


Well, the DA* 50-135mm SDM is probably the slowest AF lens on Earth, 
gaining it the nickname of the sloth. Generally speaking, SDM lenses are 
slower than both screw-driven ad DC Pentax AF lenses, so the DA 17-70mm is 
a good candidate for being another slow-AF lens. However, I own it and I 
don't find it THAT slow as you pointed out.
There is however another problem I saw on several samples of that lens and 
is the almost impossibility to autofocus above 50mm focal length, hunting 
forever while you try  find the focus. Perhaps that's the problem you 
spotted.


Dario

-Messaggio originale- 
From: David J Brooks

Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:17 PM
To: Pentax Discuss
Subject: Pentax 17-70 f4 and SDM motor question

Hi all

I went to pick up above mentioned lens this afternoon. loks and feel
nice on the K-5, however me thinks there is a problem.
I know the AF of Canon and Nikon are quite fast leaving us Pentaxians
hunting and pecking our way through landscapes and soccer photos, BUT,
2-3 seconds to lock on and focus on a static object.?? Me thinks
that's a bit to slow.
The salesman and i played with it for 10-15 minutes. It did get a tad
faster to focus but it was still painfully slow. I know it will not be
as snappy as my Nikon 70-200 f2,9 VR lens, you can barely hear
anything and it locks on faster than  Mike Johnson deleting  a cat
photo.

So, am i missing something with this SDM system. Is it painfully slow
or should it be as fast or faster to AF on a subject as the screw
focus lenses. Do i need to adjust a menu setting or something.

Another is on order for Saturday

Dave



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Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

2014-03-19 Thread Alan C

Obviously very good optics. So is the EXIF corrected to f5.6?
I'd like to see a shot with the 60-250 at 250mm which would be 350mm at 
f5.6.



Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Stenquist

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 4:02 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

Yep, they were all shot wide open, which translates to f5.6.


On Mar 19, 2014, at 9:45 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote:



He says they're all shot wide open, which would be f/5.6
(f/4 from the 60-250 at full aperture, 1.4x from the TC)

On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 08:42:03PM -0400, Kenneth Waller wrote:


Paul, any idea what the f stops were for those?

-Original Message-

From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net
Sent: Mar 19, 2014 5:06 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Fooling around with the 1.4X converter

Well, I sure screwed that up!
Here?s the tight crop of Grace:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712606size=lg

And here?s the silly sign:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712603size=lg
On Mar 19, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net 
wrote:


The converter arrived today. It?s gray and wet outside and not a bird 
to be heard, but I shot a few pics to see how well it resolves. All 
shot wide open with the DA* 60-250/4 at 250mm and converter attached.


Here?s an ISO 12,800 indoor pic of Grace, who was home sick and hasn?t 
washed her hair:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

Here?s a tight crop of Grace who was home sick and hasn?t washed her 
hair:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

Here?s a shot of a silly sign that my neighbor gave me for watering her 
plants. It?s at a more modest ISO 3200

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17712604size=lg

Very pleased with its performance. Hope to get out to the nature center 
for some birding next week.




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Re: Ecstacy

2014-03-19 Thread Alan C
Does it really make sense to sell? Many old toppies here thought of 
downsizing but found the smaller houses cost nearly as much as their larger 
ones. Unless they want to up-size or re-locate?


Alan C

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From: David Mann

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:32 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Ecstacy

Might be a bit cold in the winter for them this far south.

I'm glad to be home as well, they made a pretty good job of the place but we 
have some ideas for renovations, starting with the kitchen.  A lot of houses 
are going on the market after being repaired.  Makes sense when they've just 
had a free redecoration.


After nearly four days I have taken care of all the boxes in the living 
room, most of the dining area and the bare necessities in the bedroom.  The 
spare rooms look a bit overwhelming but one of those is the wife's 
responsibility.


The packers were awesome but it was funny finding not one but two burnt-out 
light bulbs in one of the boxes.  We hadn't got around to throwing them away 
and they just pack what's there!


Cheers,
Dave

On Mar 20, 2014, at 3:50 am, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:

They say Kruger has an overpopulation of Ellies so all you have to do is 
find a sponsor  start negotiating. BTW, glad to hear you have moved back 
home.


Alan C

-Original Message- From: David Mann
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 7:25 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: PESO: Ecstacy

On Mar 16, 2014, at 6:04 pm, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:


A Bull Elephant scratching his behind.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wisselstroom/13182963513/lightbox/


I guess he's learned not to scratch there with his trunk.

Elephants are the one thing I wish our wildlife park had.  But they do 
have three species of big cats so I can't complain too much.


Cheers,
Dave


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