date:20150705

Thanks Dan. You're right - I should whittle it down a bit.

B



 On 5 Jul 2015, at 01:27, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That is a stunning group of images, Bob.
 
 My only complaint is that you posted so many at once, I really was not
 able to devote sufficient time and attention to all of them.
 
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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

Bipin, it was shit-stirring because your post, and the links in it, were filled 
with strawman arguments.

The claims you made were at best inflated, at worst fabricated. Not by you but 
by the news sources you cited.

I've already answered the first link by going directly to James Ayala's site.

As for the Sand Hills claim to large portions of the northeastern seabord, it 
was dismissed in 2011 on procedural grounds (improper service, lack of court 
jurisdiction) and the merits of the case were never before the court.

The fact that Obama has endorsed UNDRIP has not changed US policy one bit, 
despite what the right-wing yellow press claims. 

And I have no idea what a bunch of West Bank Jewish settlers protesting in 
Israel have to do with US policy.

So with the greatest of respect, it did appear that you posted for no reason 
but to stir up controversy.

I'm guessing that you generally support indigenous rights around the world, 
including in the US. So do I. But mis-reporting events (even unwittingly) does 
the cause no good, IMHO.

And reporting to this list, with a policy of no guns, politics or religion 
posts doesn't further the cause either. As you've seen, it just ruffles 
feathers. 

Cheers,

frank

On 5 July, 2015 5:11:37 AM EDT, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Larry, I have already posted an addendum explaining why I put
this up to the Photographic Community.

As a Software Engineer, an educated person and an intellectual, that
you are, I am surprised at your use of derogatory language.
I too have been a Dy. Manager Systems and a Change Manager, World Bank
Project, and it might help you to know I am from
the University of Cambridge, GMI Michigan + India's premier schools,
and find your choice of words  excessive and
un-necessary.

Of course my culture, religious upbringing and family background does
not permit me to stoop down to this level.

I do not know why you felt unsecure and threatened with this topic. It
was not my intention to scare you.
Hope you will now take back this not so nice word you use
shit-stirring.

May the Force be with you.
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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

Thanks for the clarification, Frank. Greatly appreciated. There is something on
which we here in the US could profitably reflect—the injustice we have
inflicted on Native American peoples. That, and what justice might amount to in
present circumstances.

On Jul 4, 2015, at 11:55 PM, Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Okay. The UN never said anything about returning the US to First Nations.
Never.

James Alaya is a Special Rapporteur to the UN. He's not the UN. And he never
said anything about returning Manhattan to natives, either. He spoke of some
very specific disputed lands, to wit:

JAMES ANAYA: I’m not sure why that has grabbed the headlines so much. I
simply, in a press conference in Washington when I concluded my visit,
referred to the Black Hills as an example of an unsettled claim. The Black
Hills were taken illegally from the Lakota people, and that was acknowledged
by the United States Supreme Court itself. Compensation was offered, but the
Lakota people have refused to take the money because of the significance that
the Black Hills hold for them. And what I’ve said is that that issue should
be addressed and that ways should be explored by which control or a
reconnection, some kind of restoration, should occur—could occur, by which
the Lakota people could have a greater access to the Black Hills, be more
present there, and that place represent again a part of the people, the
Lakota people, as opposed to simply representing their defeat and the
negative side of history.Now, I haven’t said anything about Mount Rushmore.
Mount Rushmore could stay
under federal control, or it could be part of a joint management between the
federal government and the Lakota people. There are all kinds of
possibilities. I’ve simply said that this matter needs to be looked at as
part of the reconciliation that Congress itself says needs to take place.

Geez, sounds reasonable to me!

Articles like the one posted remind me of the Protocols of the Elders of
Zion: make shit up, falsely attribute it to whomever you want to smear and
let the idiot right-wing press run with it.

Yeah, there's a seed of truth to the extent that Alaya is proposing the
return of ~some~ disputed lands but to then say the the UN is calling for the
return of Manhattan is just an out and out lie. I'm suprised anyone here
bought that without further investigation.
Here's the full interview of Alaya, from his website:

http://unsr.jamesanaya.org/visit-to-usa/un-probe-us-should-address-land-issues-as-part-of-reconciliation-with-native-americans-interview-democracynow

For fuck sake!

Cheers,

frank

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UN wants the US to return Native American lands. Read on here:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/06/un-wants-the-us-to-return-native-american-lands/

The Sand Hill Indian Tribe located in New Jersey filed a lawsuit
“claiming Manhattan, as well as the Hudson Areas, and the states of
NJ, Delaware and Eastern Pennsylvania,” according to a Sand Hill press
release. The Tribes stated “violation of human rights, genocide, and
breaking of treaties etc.”

http://www.vosizneias.com/58248/2010/06/18/new-york-ny-indian-tribe-filed-lawsuit-claiming-manhattan-was-taken-from-them-illegally/

The President announced on December 16 that the U.S. would reverse
course and support the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of
Indigenous People. The Declaration was adopted by the U.N. General
Assembly in 2007, but the U.S., under President Bush, opposed it.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/latest-right-wing-freak-out-obama-wants-to-give-manhattan-back-to-native-americans

Israelis dressed as “Native Americans” protest in front of the US
Embassy in Tel Aviv against US pressure on Israel to freeze settlement
building.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3764489,00.html

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

Thanks again, Frank.

On Jul 5, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

It's interesting that the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of
Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) was declared almost unanimously by the UN. Only
four countries voted against it.

Care to guess who?

Canada, the USA, Australia and New Zealand. All former British colonies. All
now controlled by a white European majority population with a minority
remnant indigenous population.

The US and Canada have since made limited endorsement of UNDRIP, falling
short of accepting that it's anywhere near legally binding.

I make no further comment.

Cheers,

frank

On 5 July, 2015 12:57:23 AM EDT, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Well said, Frank.

I'm not even sure why Bipin posted this now. Apart from being wildly
off topic (nothing wrong with that but we try to avoid politics,
religion etc - see the FAQ - and the post should have been labelled
O.T.), the entire issue dates from 2010-2012.

President Obama's announcement on December 16, as linked by Bipin, was
December 16 2010 and James Alaya's report was May 2012. This is not
exactly 'breaking news'.

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On Sun, Jul 5, 2015, at 01:55 PM, Knarf wrote:
Okay. The UN never said anything about returning the US to First
Nations.
Never.

James Alaya is a Special Rapporteur to the UN. He's not the UN. And
he
never said anything about returning Manhattan to natives, either. He
spoke of some very specific disputed lands, to wit:

JAMES ANAYA: I’m not sure why that has grabbed the headlines so
much. I
simply, in a press conference in Washington when I concluded my
visit,
referred to the Black Hills as an example of an unsettled claim. The
Black Hills were taken illegally from the Lakota people, and that was
acknowledged by the United States Supreme Court itself. Compensation
was
offered, but the Lakota people have refused to take the money because
of
the significance that the Black Hills hold for them. And what I’ve
said
is that that issue should be addressed and that ways should be
explored
by which control or a reconnection, some kind of restoration, should
occur—could occur, by which the Lakota people could have a greater
access
to the Black Hills, be more present there, and that place represent
again
a part of the people, the Lakota people, as opposed to simply
representing their defeat and the negative side of history.Now, I
haven’t
said anything about Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore could stay
under federal control, or it could be part of a joint management
between
the federal government and the Lakota people. There are all kinds of
possibilities. I’ve simply said that this matter needs to be looked
at as
part of the reconciliation that Congress itself says needs to take
place.

Geez, sounds reasonable to me!

Articles like the one posted remind me of the Protocols of the Elders
of
Zion: make shit up, falsely attribute it to whomever you want to
smear
and let the idiot right-wing press run with it.

Yeah, there's a seed of truth to the extent that Alaya is proposing
the
return of ~some~ disputed lands but to then say the the UN is calling
for
the return of Manhattan is just an out and out lie. I'm suprised
anyone
here bought that without further investigation.
Here's the full interview of Alaya, from his website:

http://unsr.jamesanaya.org/visit-to-usa/un-probe-us-should-address-land-issues-as-part-of-reconciliation-with-native-americans-interview-democracynow

For fuck sake!

Cheers,

frank

On 4 July, 2015 1:35:57 PM EDT, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:
UN wants the US to return Native American lands. Read on here:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/06/un-wants-the-us-to-return-native-american-lands/

The Sand Hill Indian Tribe located in New Jersey filed a lawsuit
“claiming Manhattan, as well as the Hudson Areas, and the states of
NJ, Delaware and Eastern Pennsylvania,” according to a Sand Hill
press
release. The Tribes stated “violation of human rights, genocide, and
breaking of treaties etc.”

http://www.vosizneias.com/58248/2010/06/18/new-york-ny-indian-tribe-filed-lawsuit-claiming-manhattan-was-taken-from-them-illegally/

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/latest-right-wing-freak-out-obama-wants-to-give-manhattan-back-to-native-americans

Israelis dressed as “Native Americans” protest in front of the US
Embassy in Tel Aviv against US pressure on Israel to freeze
settlement
building.

Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

Thanks. 

Strangely enough it's not that difficult cycling in the heat. The movement of 
the bike means there's always a breeze over you. Provided you're wearing shades 
and a cap, or helmet I suppose, and slathered with factor 50 it seems to be ok. 
When I stop I make sure I get into the shade immediately though.

B

 On 5 Jul 2015, at 10:25, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 
 On 4/7/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Comments always welcome:
 
 http://www.web-options.com/France2015/
 
 Loved looking at these Bob - thanks for posting. The shots of walls and
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 Hope the trip went well - hard work in the heat I bet!
 

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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

Agreed. Always a breeze on a bike. 

Don't forget water. Drink lots. Drink often. Well over a litre an hour in 
extreme heat.

Cheers,

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Thanks. 

Strangely enough it's not thatat difficult cycling in the heat. The
movement of the bike means there's always a breeze over you. Provided
you're wearing shades and a cap, or helmet I suppose, and slathered
with factor 50 it seems to be ok. When I stop I make sure I get into
the shade immediately though.

B

 On 5 Jul 2015, at 10:25, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 
 On 4/7/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 Comments always welcome:
 
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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

I understand exactly what the settler-protesters were saying:

You white Americans went in and stole native lands and basically commited 
genocide on indigenous peoples. And now you're telling us how to deal with our 
land claim and our inconvenient, unwanted minority of natives - who were here 
first?

I understand the irony. And I understand that they want to make people on this 
continent uncomfortable.

But it won't because (1) their protest wasn't reported and (2) most don't give 
a crap about indeginous people in North America or what's going on in the West 
Bank of Israel. 

Cheers,

frank

On 5 July, 2015 10:17:26 AM EDT, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/07/2015 7:22 AM, Knarf wrote:


 And I have no idea what a bunch of West Bank Jewish settlers
protesting in Israel have to do with US policy.

Israel is the tail that wags the American dog. That might have
something 
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Re: July Pug is Up!

A very enjoyable gallery.

B



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 G'day all
 
 This is the biggest gallery for some time and a very eclectic one it is.
 
 Standouts for me - Ken's St Thomas, Dario's Giulia's Shades and
 Darren's If These Walls Could Talk. . . 
 
 Lot's of other great work, though.  Make sure you take a look!
 
 You'll find the gallery here:
 
 http://pug.komkon.org/
 
 (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
 there).
 
 Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
 infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
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Re: A software cure for soft lenses

2015-07-05 Thread Mark Roberts

Bruce Walker wrote:

When I started out as a young hardware pup I worked under an engineer
whose university thesis involved deconvolution image processing
algorithms running on a custom instruction set CPU that he built using
2901 ECL bit slice parts. Wire-wrapped across a large array of boards.
Pretty darned fast for the time (that being about 1977).

Fast... for 1977. That reminds me of an old Dilbert cartoon in which
Dilbert is being denied his request for a faster computer and told
that a 386 should be sufficient for the 3D rendering he needs to do. 

IT Director: I mean, how many times are you going to do 3D rendering
in your career?

Dilbert: Once, if I hurry.
 
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Re: July Pug is Up!

2015-07-05 Thread David J Brooks

excellent gallery this month. Kinda ashamed of my entry now.

Dave

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 G'day all

 This is the biggest gallery for some time and a very eclectic one it is.

 Standouts for me - Ken's St Thomas, Dario's Giulia's Shades and
 Darren's If These Walls Could Talk. . . 

 Lot's of other great work, though.  Make sure you take a look!

 You'll find the gallery here:

 http://pug.komkon.org/

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 gallery, let me know.

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test

2015-07-05 Thread David J Brooks

I know i'll regret this, but testing anyway

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians


On 05/07/2015 7:22 AM, Knarf wrote:



And I have no idea what a bunch of West Bank Jewish settlers protesting in 
Israel have to do with US policy.


Israel is the tail that wags the American dog. That might have something 
to do with it.



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UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

2015-07-05 Thread Bipin Gupta

Dear Larry, I have already posted an addendum explaining why I put
this up to the Photographic Community.

As a Software Engineer, an educated person and an intellectual, that
you are, I am surprised at your use of derogatory language.
I too have been a Dy. Manager Systems and a Change Manager, World Bank
Project, and it might help you to know I am from
the University of Cambridge, GMI Michigan + India's premier schools,
and find your choice of words  excessive and
un-necessary.

Of course my culture, religious upbringing and family background does
not permit me to stoop down to this level.

I do not know why you felt unsecure and threatened with this topic. It
was not my intention to scare you.
Hope you will now take back this not so nice word you use shit-stirring.

May the Force be with you.
Bipin

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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

2015-07-05 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 4/7/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

Comments always welcome:

http://www.web-options.com/France2015/

Loved looking at these Bob - thanks for posting. The shots of walls and
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Re: test

2015-07-05 Thread Jack Davis

Yes!

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 5, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No
 
 On 5 July, 2015 8:27:18 AM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know i'll regret this, but testing anyway
 
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Re: July Pug is Up!

2015-07-05 Thread Jack Davis

Thanks, Bulent!

J

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Thanks for your efforts, Brian; it does worth it!

Below are my favorites :

Open ... Ann Sanfedele

Wind Turbine ... Matthew Hunt

Polar Pivot ... Jack Davis

Conversations ... Marco Alpert

Bulent
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2015-07-05 8:11 GMT+03:00 Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm:
 G'day all

 This is the biggest gallery for some time and a very eclectic one it is.

 Standouts for me - Ken's St Thomas, Dario's Giulia's Shades and
 Darren's If These Walls Could Talk. . . 

 Lot's of other great work, though.  Make sure you take a look!

 You'll find the gallery here:

 http://pug.komkon.org/

 (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
 there).

 Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
 infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
 gallery, let me know.

 +

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Re: July Pug is Up!

2015-07-05 Thread Jack Davis

Couple of favorites; Matthew Hunt's, Wind Turbine and Darren Addy's, If There 
Walls Could Talk.

J

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Subject: July Pug is Up!

G'day all

This is the biggest gallery for some time and a very eclectic one it is.

Standouts for me - Ken's St Thomas, Dario's Giulia's Shades and
Darren's If These Walls Could Talk. . . 

Lot's of other great work, though.  Make sure you take a look!

You'll find the gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible.  So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery, let me know.

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Next up: 'Simplicity'

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Re: test

No

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

It's interesting that the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of
Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) was declared almost unanimously by the UN. Only
four countries voted against it.

Care to guess who?

Canada, the USA, Australia and New Zealand. All former British colonies. All
now controlled by a white European majority population with a minority remnant
indigenous population.

The US and Canada have since made limited endorsement of UNDRIP, falling short
of accepting that it's anywhere near legally binding.

I make no further comment.

Cheers,

frank

On 5 July, 2015 12:57:23 AM EDT, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Well said, Frank.

President Obama's announcement on December 16, as linked by Bipin, was
December 16 2010 and James Alaya's report was May 2012. This is not
exactly 'breaking news'.

Cheers

Brian

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On Sun, Jul 5, 2015, at 01:55 PM, Knarf wrote:
Okay. The UN never said anything about returning the US to First
Nations.
Never.

James Alaya is a Special Rapporteur to the UN. He's not the UN. And
he
never said anything about returning Manhattan to natives, either. He
spoke of some very specific disputed lands, to wit:

JAMES ANAYA: I’m not sure why that has grabbed the headlines so
much. I
simply, in a press conference in Washington when I concluded my
visit,
referred to the Black Hills as an example of an unsettled claim. The
Black Hills were taken illegally from the Lakota people, and that was
acknowledged by the United States Supreme Court itself. Compensation
was
offered, but the Lakota people have refused to take the money because
of
the significance that the Black Hills hold for them. And what I’ve
said
is that that issue should be addressed and that ways should be
explored
by which control or a reconnection, some kind of restoration, should
occur—could occur, by which the Lakota people could have a greater
access
to the Black Hills, be more present there, and that place represent
again
a part of the people, the Lakota people, as opposed to simply
representing their defeat and the negative side of history.Now, I
haven’t
said anything about Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore could stay
under federal control, or it could be part of a joint management
between
the federal government and the Lakota people. There are all kinds of
possibilities. I’ve simply said that this matter needs to be looked
at as
part of the reconciliation that Congress itself says needs to take
place.

Geez, sounds reasonable to me!

Articles like the one posted remind me of the Protocols of the Elders
of
Zion: make shit up, falsely attribute it to whomever you want to
smear
and let the idiot right-wing press run with it.

Yeah, there's a seed of truth to the extent that Alaya is proposing
the
return of ~some~ disputed lands but to then say the the UN is calling
for
the return of Manhattan is just an out and out lie. I'm suprised
anyone
here bought that without further investigation.
Here's the full interview of Alaya, from his website:

http://unsr.jamesanaya.org/visit-to-usa/un-probe-us-should-address-land-issues-as-part-of-reconciliation-with-native-americans-interview-democracynow

For fuck sake!

Cheers,

frank

On 4 July, 2015 1:35:57 PM EDT, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:
UN wants the US to return Native American lands. Read on here:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/06/un-wants-the-us-to-return-native-american-lands/

The Sand Hill Indian Tribe located in New Jersey filed a lawsuit
“claiming Manhattan, as well as the Hudson Areas, and the states of
NJ, Delaware and Eastern Pennsylvania,” according to a Sand Hill
press
release. The Tribes stated “violation of human rights, genocide, and
breaking of treaties etc.”

http://www.vosizneias.com/58248/2010/06/18/new-york-ny-indian-tribe-filed-lawsuit-claiming-manhattan-was-taken-from-them-illegally/

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/latest-right-wing-freak-out-obama-wants-to-give-manhattan-back-to-native-americans

Israelis dressed as “Native Americans” protest in front of the US
Embassy in Tel Aviv against US pressure on Israel to freeze
settlement
building.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3764489,00.html

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

I agree that it doesn't belong here. OTOH you replied...

So when protesters dress in racist garb, looking like charicatures of North 
American First Nations people and say things like:  When the white man came to 
the US, he didn't ask the Indians where to build and to live. Another country 
will not tell us where to build, how are we to interpret that?

Anyway, I'm bored with this. I wish I'd never responded. 

Have a great day.

Cheers,

frank

On 5 July, 2015 11:17:03 AM EDT, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
I am sorry, Frank, but you got it all wrong. And Bill is quite just as 
wrong. However indeed, this does not belong in the public photography 
related list.

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On 5 July 2015 17:33:58 Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 I understand exactly what the settler-protesters were saying:

 You white Americans went in and stole native lands and basically
commited 
 genocide on indigenous peoples. And now you're telling us how to deal
with 
 our land claim and our inconvenient, unwanted minority of natives -
who 
 were here first?

 I understand the irony. And I understand that they want to make
people on 
 this continent uncomfortable.

 But it won't because (1) their protest wasn't reported and (2) most
don't 
 give a crap about indeginous people in North America or what's going
on in 
 the West Bank of Israel.

 Cheers,

 frank

 On 5 July, 2015 10:17:26 AM EDT, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
wrote:
 On 05/07/2015 7:22 AM, Knarf wrote:
 
 
  And I have no idea what a bunch of West Bank Jewish settlers
 protesting in Israel have to do with US policy.
 
 Israel is the tail that wags the American dog. That might have
 something
 to do with it.

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Re: test

2015-07-05 Thread Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu

Maybe...

Alex

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 Yes!

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 On Jul 5, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

 No

 On 5 July, 2015 8:27:18 AM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know i'll regret this, but testing anyway

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Re: test

2015-07-05 Thread P.J. Alling


Undetermined.

On 7/5/2015 11:56 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote:

Maybe...

Alex

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

Yes!

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 5, 2015, at 5:48 AM, Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

No


On 5 July, 2015 8:27:18 AM EDT, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
I know i'll regret this, but testing anyway

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

2015-07-05 Thread P.J. Alling

Which would explain it.  So the early explorer who named the place was 
an Ancient Greek, maybe even Alexander.


On 7/5/2015 11:55 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

It's been called India since the time of the ancient Greeks.

B


On 5 Jul 2015, at 16:51, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:

One small point, I don't think it was the British who named the whole place India, it was 
the Portuguese Spanish or Italians, (I'm a bit hazy on that, I could look it up I 
suppose), some early explorer wanted to know what the land was called and some local gave 
the name for local area that sounded to the foreigner something like India, 
which most Europeans picked up for the entire sub continent.  [...]



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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

2015-07-05 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 5/7/15, Knarf, discombobulated, unleashed:

I wouldn't have thought that a bike messenger uses that much more water
that steady touring in hot temps but maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe my
experience is not typical.

Yes but Frank you were riding a fixie with no breaks against deadlines.

Check your brain at the door please ;-)

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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

2015-07-05 Thread David J Brooks

nice, thanks for sharing

Dave

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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

On 5 Jul 2015, at 18:25, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 
 On 5/7/15, Knarf, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I wouldn't have thought that a bike messenger uses that much more water
 that steady touring in hot temps but maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe my
 experience is not typical.
 
 Yes but Frank you were riding a fixie with no breaks against deadlines.
 
 Check your brain at the door please ;-)
 

Maybe one or both of us is a strange, extreme physical freak, straining at the 
bell-curve that delineates human.

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

2015-07-05 Thread Boris Liberman

I am sorry, Frank, but you got it all wrong. And Bill is quite just as 
wrong. However indeed, this does not belong in the public photography 
related list.


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On 5 July 2015 17:33:58 Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:


I understand exactly what the settler-protesters were saying:

You white Americans went in and stole native lands and basically commited 
genocide on indigenous peoples. And now you're telling us how to deal with 
our land claim and our inconvenient, unwanted minority of natives - who 
were here first?


I understand the irony. And I understand that they want to make people on 
this continent uncomfortable.


But it won't because (1) their protest wasn't reported and (2) most don't 
give a crap about indeginous people in North America or what's going on in 
the West Bank of Israel.


Cheers,

frank

On 5 July, 2015 10:17:26 AM EDT, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/07/2015 7:22 AM, Knarf wrote:


 And I have no idea what a bunch of West Bank Jewish settlers
protesting in Israel have to do with US policy.

Israel is the tail that wags the American dog. That might have
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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

2015-07-05 Thread Chris Mitchell

Yes, France is lovely at this time of year. Well done on the ride and
the photos.
Chris

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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

I don't drink all that much water when I'm on these trips.

This time I took 2 bottles, totalling 1.5l, and often enough still had plenty
left at the end of the day. My routine is generally to cycle 3 hours in the
morning and 3 in the afternoon. After 1.5 hours stop for a banana and a drink
or an orange. At lunch I might have a can or two of some sort of fruit drink.
This stuff's nice, and quite clean wrt added sugar and similar shit:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0VVx7VOzTUY

Total fluid intake for the cycling part of the day might be 3l.

I think the emphasis on 'hydration', particularly for amateur athletes, is
overdone. 'Drink when you're thirsty' seems to have worked reasonably well for
the 3 million years that preceded commercial sports drinks and bottled water.

http://www.humankinetics.com/2012-releases/2012-releases/waterlogged-the-serious-problem-of-overhydration-in-sports

I've known a couple of super-athletes who've ended up in hospital because
they've over-hydrated. I don't think I know anyone who has ended up there
because of dehydration. That doesn't mean it never happens, of course.

Obviously in the evenings I make sure I get the correct intake of
carbohydrate-based, throat-charming, foaming replenishment fluid...

On 5 Jul 2015, at 13:52, Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Agreed. Always a breeze on a bike.

Don't forget water. Drink lots. Drink often. Well over a litre an hour in
extreme heat.

Cheers,

frank

On 5 July, 2015 5:47:35 Amat EDT, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:
Thanks.

Strangely enough it's not thatat difficult cycling in the heat. The
movement of the bike means there's always a breeze over you. Provided
you're wearing shades and a cap, or helmet I suppose, and slathered
with factor 50 it seems to be ok. When I stop I make sure I get into
the shade immediately though.

On 5 Jul 2015, at 10:25, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

On 4/7/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

Comments always welcome:

http://www.web-options.com/France2015/

Loved looking at these Bob - thanks for posting. The shots of walls
and
windows I like the most.

Hope the trip went well - hard work in the heat I bet!

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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

When I was a bike messenger, when the temperature got up around 30C, if I
waited until I was thirsty to drink I got early signs of heat prostration:
feelings of nausea and light-headedness. They disappeared immediately upon
drinking water.

When I started drinking before I felt thirsty those problems never occured.

I wouldn't have thought that a bike messenger uses that much more water that
steady touring in hot temps but maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe my experience is not
typical.

Anyway, what's most important is that you hydrate sufficiently to meet your
needs, as you obviously did.

Cheers,

frank

On 5 July, 2015 11:28:03 AM EDT, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:
I don't drink all that much water when I'm on these trips.

This time I took 2 bottles, totalling 1.5l, and often enough still had
plenty left at the end of the day. My routine is generally to cycle 3
hours in the morning and 3 in the afternoon. After 1.5 hours stop for a
banana and a drink or an orange. At lunch I might have a can or two of
some sort of fruit drink. This stuff's nice, and quite clean wrt added
sugar and similar shit:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0VVx7VOzTUY

Total fluid intake for the cycling part of the day might be 3l.

I think the emphasis on 'hydration', particularly for amateur athletes,
is overdone. 'Drink when you're thirsty' seems to have worked
reasonably well for the 3 million years that preceded commercial sports
drinks and bottled water.

http://www.humankinetics.com/2012-releases/2012-releases/waterlogged-the-serious-problem-of-overhydration-in-sports

I've known a couple of super-athletes who've ended up in hospital
because they've over-hydrated. I don't think I know anyone who has
ended up there because of dehydration. That doesn't mean it never
happens, of course.

Obviously in the evenings I make sure I get the correct intake of
carbohydrate-based, throat-charming, foaming replenishment fluid...

On 5 Jul 2015, at 13:52, Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:

Agreed. Always a breeze on a bike.

Don't forget water. Drink lots. Drink often. Well over a litre an
hour in extreme heat.

Cheers,

frank

On 5 July, 2015 5:47:35 Amat EDT, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com
wrote:
Thanks.

Strangely enough it's not thatat difficult cycling in the heat. The
movement of the bike means there's always a breeze over you.
Provided
you're wearing shades and a cap, or helmet I suppose, and slathered
with factor 50 it seems to be ok. When I stop I make sure I get into
the shade immediately though.

On 5 Jul 2015, at 10:25, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

On 4/7/15, Bob W-PDML, discombobulated, unleashed:

Comments always welcome:

http://www.web-options.com/France2015/

Loved looking at these Bob - thanks for posting. The shots of walls
and
windows I like the most.

Hope the trip went well - hard work in the heat I bet!

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

2015-07-05 Thread P.J. Alling

One small point, I don't think it was the British who named the whole 
place India, it was the Portuguese Spanish or Italians, (I'm a bit hazy 
on that, I could look it up I suppose), some early explorer wanted to 
know what the land was called and some local gave the name for local 
area that sounded to the foreigner something like India, which most 
Europeans picked up for the entire sub continent.  Much like China was 
named after the much disliked Chin dynasty of the time of early modern 
contacts with Europe, (the Chinese would rather that the international 
name had come from the HAN dynasty).  India was the name in common use 
long before the British had an Empire for India to be part of, as the 
Native Americans, were named Indians mistakenly after the inhabitants of 
a land half a world away, by the Spanish.  Lots of things like that 
happened, the Americas were after all named after a map maker who may or 
may not have actually visited the place rather than after either of the 
two explorers who risked it all to find it.  Just think it could have 
all been named Leifland, or well the lands of the Western Hemisphere are 
often unofficially called Colombia, but what about North and South 
Aqudnick, from a smallish Island off the coast of New England?


On 7/5/2015 4:45 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

I am truly sorry for forgetting to explain the back ground for
releasing this bit of news to the Photographic community.
There were no other intentions than to mention the following:-
a) In Canada I had no objections to photographing the Native Indians
either in their Reserves or in Cities were some
of them held shows and exhibition / sale of native products. The totem
poles were a great draw as well as posing for
a photo with them.
No one ever wanted any money, and I could feel it would have been an
insult if I offered them some.
Of course I had one advantage, my wheatish - light brown skin, and for
the fact that I too was an Indian from a far
away land called Bharat, re-named by the British as India, for God knows why.
They enjoyed our cultural similarities and our tryst with nature.
They loved a Hindu Prayer for Peace, where we command the Tress, all
the Vegetation, the Wind, the Animal kingdom
etc, even our Desires to Be at Peace - Shanti Reva Shanti.
b) In the US, the reactions were rather mixed. Example in San
Francisco we were forbidden to take photos of Indian
Monolithic Art on a huge tree trunk. Else where on reservations it was
50-50 chance that one would not object to
photographing them or their art objects.
The Native Folks though gentle and kind looked kind of poor and unkempt.
What was surprising is that no one ever complained about their fate or
being ill treated.
Much as wanted to I just could not buy any trinkets from them as they
were far too expensive.
Thanks God they were not Made in China, as I see in Curio Shops in US Cities.
Regards.
Bipin.

PS: We were in Cuba during the embargo, and I asked the Catholic
Priest if the natives looked like American Indians.
I was shocked when he told me there are none. The Spaniards
either killed them, or they died of diseases brought
from Spain. He then took me to a life size statue in the Church
Yard to show us what a native looked like - 4949.
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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

2015-07-05 Thread Boris Liberman

Replied off the list.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 05/07/2015 9:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 I am sorry, Frank, but you got it all wrong. And Bill is quite just as
 wrong. However indeed, this does not belong in the public photography
 related list.


 You are right this doesn't belong on a photo forum, but I don't really think
 I am wrong on this one.

 Ariel Sharon, when he was Prime Minister is on record as saying:

 Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do
 that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American
 pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans
 know it.

 And Netanyahu is on record as saying I know what America is, Netanyahu
 said. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right
 direction. They won't get in the way.

 The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate.
 -- Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee on
 10-7-73 on CBS TV's Face The Nation.

 If this isn't the tail wagging the dog, I don't know what is.


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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

It's been called India since the time of the ancient Greeks.

B

 On 5 Jul 2015, at 16:51, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 One small point, I don't think it was the British who named the whole place 
 India, it was the Portuguese Spanish or Italians, (I'm a bit hazy on that, I 
 could look it up I suppose), some early explorer wanted to know what the land 
 was called and some local gave the name for local area that sounded to the 
 foreigner something like India, which most Europeans picked up for the 
 entire sub continent.  [...]

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians


On 05/07/2015 9:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

I am sorry, Frank, but you got it all wrong. And Bill is quite just as
wrong. However indeed, this does not belong in the public photography
related list.


You are right this doesn't belong on a photo forum, but I don't really 
think I am wrong on this one.


Ariel Sharon, when he was Prime Minister is on record as saying:

Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will 
do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about 
American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and 
the Americans know it.


And Netanyahu is on record as saying I know what America is, Netanyahu 
said. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right 
direction. They won't get in the way.


The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate.
-- Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee on 
10-7-73 on CBS TV's Face The Nation.


If this isn't the tail wagging the dog, I don't know what is.

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PESO: Raleigh 'works.


Raleigh had their annual 4th of July fireworks display. Actually, two
simultaneous displays.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/18822838903

This image is looking south.

The building in the left foreground is the new Raleigh Civic Center,
with the Red Hat amphitheater in front of it. The concert in progress
was Barenaked Ladies w/ Violent Femmes. I'd heard of them, but didn't
really know any of their music.

When I looked them up this morning I found that Barenaked Ladies does
the theme song for the TV show Big Bang Theory.

Just beyond the Civic Center is the Lenoir St parking garage.

Fireworks display number one is launching from the parking lot south of
the amphitheater; west of the parking garage. Display number 2 is
launching from a parking lot on the east side of the Lenoir St garage.

The second display is intended to be viewed from Fayetteville St which
is downtown Raleigh's main street running from Capitol Square to
Memorial Auditorium (now the Duke Energy Center for the Performing
Arts). They closed Fayetteville St down for a street fair which
culminated in the second fireworks display.

The fireworks were set for fairly low burst heights, but I found a spot
on the top level of another parking garage where I could see over the
top of the Civic Center  catch both displays.

You can't really see it in this image, but out on the horizon I could
also see the fireworks displays for some of the smaller Wake County
communities (Cleveland, Clayton  Garner).

I hope everyone else enjoyed the 4th as much as I did.

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians


On 7/4/2015 3:47 PM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but
that would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times gone
by.


Yeah, off topic. Nevertheless, just to take this example, returning
the lands claimed, even after adjudication, would at this time be
awkward in a number of respects. It seems unnecessary, however, to
characterize the decisions as “silly.” Especially given the fact of
the genocide committed on native Americans by people coming from
Europe. We would do well to reflect on that fact and on what justice
might require as a response.



Yeah, but how far back do you set the cut-off?

Does Spain have to give half the country back to the Moors?

Do the Vikings have to give up Normandy? Or will it be enough to give
England back to the Anglo-Saxons. For that matter, how much do the
Anglo-Saxons have to give back to the Celts  Picts?

Who gets to take over Gaul? Do the Suebi give up the Rhineland? Do the
Helvetii leave Switzerland?

Are the Achaeans going to have to rebuild the walls of Troy?

Native Americans are migrants themselves if you go back far enough. They
just took a different route out of Asia.

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

2015-07-05 Thread Bob Sullivan

Bill,
Your prejudice is showing.
Don't quote what a long dead US Senator said 42 years ago.
And don't quote Israeli politicians, they barely know what they think, or want.
They pander to our right wing, Christian extremists.
As an American Jew, I support Israel but don't agree with much of what they do.
The old saying, The enemies of your enemies are your friends applies here.
Regards,  Bob S


On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 05/07/2015 9:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 I am sorry, Frank, but you got it all wrong. And Bill is quite just as
 wrong. However indeed, this does not belong in the public photography
 related list.


 You are right this doesn't belong on a photo forum, but I don't really think
 I am wrong on this one.

 Ariel Sharon, when he was Prime Minister is on record as saying:

 Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do
 that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American
 pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans
 know it.

 And Netanyahu is on record as saying I know what America is, Netanyahu
 said. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right
 direction. They won't get in the way.

 The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate.
 -- Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee on
 10-7-73 on CBS TV's Face The Nation.

 If this isn't the tail wagging the dog, I don't know what is.

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians


 On Jul 5, 2015, at 4:22 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 On 7/4/2015 3:47 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
 
 On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
 danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but
 that would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times gone
 by.
 
 Yeah, off topic. Nevertheless, just to take this example, returning
 the lands claimed, even after adjudication, would at this time be
 awkward in a number of respects. It seems unnecessary, however, to
 characterize the decisions as “silly.” Especially given the fact of
 the genocide committed on native Americans by people coming from
 Europe. We would do well to reflect on that fact and on what justice
 might require as a response.
 
 
 Yeah, but how far back do you set the cut-off?

….

The suggestion was that we have something to reflect on. You seem to want to 
avoid having to do that.


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Re: PESO: Rapid Transit

2015-07-05 Thread Rick Womer

It's an interesting and amusing shot, Dan, but I find the faces being
blocked distracting.

Rick
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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 Pedicabs outside the Summer Palace in Beijing
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Re: Can K-5 do depth of field bracketing?


On 7/4/2015 1:38 PM, Bryan Jacoby wrote:

I am going to shoot some portraits and would _like_ shallow DoF (like
f/2.8) but I _need_ a sharp subject.  I was thinking it would be nice
to have each shot at 2 apertures, with the smaller aperture (maybe f/4
or so) as insurance.  Is there a way to get the camera to suto-bracket
the aperture but adjust shutter or ISO to compensate, so that overall
exposure is the same?



I think about as close as you're going to get is to shoot in Aperture
Priority Mode  use the thumb-wheel on the back to change the aperture
between shots. That will keep the exposures the same.

Any flavor of AUTO-bracketing is going toe change the exposure for each
shot.

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians


On 7/5/2015 4:53 PM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Jul 5, 2015, at 4:22 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:

On 7/4/2015 3:47 PM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but
that would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times
gone by.


Yeah, off topic. Nevertheless, just to take this example,
returning the lands claimed, even after adjudication, would at
this time be awkward in a number of respects. It seems
unnecessary, however, to characterize the decisions as “silly.”
Especially given the fact of the genocide committed on native
Americans by people coming from Europe. We would do well to
reflect on that fact and on what justice might require as a
response.



Yeah, but how far back do you set the cut-off?


….

The suggestion was that we have something to reflect on. You seem to
want to avoid having to do that.


Already been there, done that. It's a conversation I grew tired of
beating my head against the wall years ago.

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Re: test

2015-07-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 8:27 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know i'll regret this, but testing anyway

You failed.

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

I don't believe they said those things.

Sharon is going to admit that the anti-Semitic conspiracy theorists who propose 
a Zionist plot to control the world are right? 

1) It's not true (that Jews control the world),

2) Even if it were true they'd never admit it.

Cheers, 

frank

On 5 July, 2015 2:04:36 PM EDT, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05/07/2015 9:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
 I am sorry, Frank, but you got it all wrong. And Bill is quite just
as
 wrong. However indeed, this does not belong in the public photography
 related list.

You are right this doesn't belong on a photo forum, but I don't really 
think I am wrong on this one.

Ariel Sharon, when he was Prime Minister is on record as saying:

Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will

do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about 
American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and

the Americans know it.

And Netanyahu is on record as saying I know what America is,
Netanyahu 
said. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the
right 
direction. They won't get in the way.

The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate.
-- Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee on 
10-7-73 on CBS TV's Face The Nation.

If this isn't the tail wagging the dog, I don't know what is.

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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

The last year or so all I've been straining at is the waistband of my pants. 

Caloric input no longer matches output; I believe input now exceeds output by a 
significant degree.

Cheers,

frank

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On 5 Jul 2015, at 18:25, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:
 
 On 5/7/15, Knarf, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
 I wouldn't have thought that a bike messenger uses that much more
water
 that steady touring in hot temps but maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe my
 experience is not typical.
 
 Yes but Frank you were riding a fixie with no breaks against
deadlines.
 
 Check your brain at the door please ;-)
 

Maybe one or both of us is a strange, extreme physical freak, straining
at the bell-curve that delineates human.

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

But we're not talking about the Normans, Moors or the Vikings. We're talking 
about white European conquerors who invaded the Americas on behalf of their 
imperial masters. Part of that invasion included the attempted genocide of 
certain native groups. Others were imprisoned and culturally raped. 

This is not ancient history. As recently as the 1970s in Canada native children 
were forced to attend residential schools where they were systemically 
sexually and physically abused and were routinely punished if they even spoke 
their native language.

As recently as the 1950s and 60s Inuit communities were forcibly moved to into 
modern communities hundreds of miles from their ancestral homes, all to 
enhance our sovereignty claims to the far north against the Soviets. 

So I don't know when the cut off should be,  but like Africans stolen and 
brought into North American slavery or European Jews rounded up by Germans in 
the 30s and 40s, this claim is recent ~and ongoing~ and so is deserving of our 
government's attention. Justice is possible but we first have to acknowledge a 
problem.

Cheers,

frank





On 5 July, 2015 4:22:44 PM EDT, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
On 7/4/2015 3:47 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

 On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
 danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

 The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but
 that would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times gone
 by.

 Yeah, off topic. Nevertheless, just to take this example, returning
 the lands claimed, even after adjudication, would at this time be
 awkward in a number of respects. It seems unnecessary, however, to
 characterize the decisions as “silly.” Especially given the fact of
 the genocide committed on native Americans by people coming from
 Europe. We would do well to reflect on that fact and on what justice
 might require as a response.


Yeah, but how far back do you set the cut-off?

Does Spain have to give half the country back to the Moors?

Do the Vikings have to give up Normandy? Or will it be enough to give
England back to the Anglo-Saxons. For that matter, how much do the
Anglo-Saxons have to give back to the Celts  Picts?

Who gets to take over Gaul? Do the Suebi give up the Rhineland? Do the
Helvetii leave Switzerland?

Are the Achaeans going to have to rebuild the walls of Troy?

Native Americans are migrants themselves if you go back far enough.
They
just took a different route out of Asia.

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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

2015-07-05 Thread Steve Cottrell

On 5/7/15, Knarf, discombobulated, unleashed:

Caloric input no longer matches output; I believe input now exceeds
output by a significant degree.

In England, I just say I'm a fat bastard ;-)

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RE: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

2015-07-05 Thread Bob W

You should take up cycling ! :o)

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 The last year or so all I've been straining at is the waistband of my
pants.

 Caloric input no longer matches output; I believe input now exceeds output
 by a significant degree.

 Cheers,

 frank

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 wrote:
 On 5 Jul 2015, at 18:25, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote:

  On 5/7/15, Knarf, discombobulated, unleashed:

  I wouldn't have thought that a bike messenger uses that much more
 water
  that steady touring in hot temps but maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe my
  experience is not typical.

  Yes but Frank you were riding a fixie with no breaks against
 deadlines.

  Check your brain at the door please ;-)

 Maybe one or both of us is a strange, extreme physical freak, straining
 at the bell-curve that delineates human.

 B

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RE: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

2015-07-05 Thread Bob W

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John

 And don't forget that the Plains Indians had no horses until after 1520,
 although there is a growing body of paleontological evidence that horses
 once roamed free in North America until the first native Americans
 crossing over from Asia hunted them to extinction some 12,000 years ago.
 

It's my understanding (from reading one or other of Jared Diamond's books)
that the horse actually evolved on the North American plains, and the
incoming people promptly ate them all. 

It's kind of ironic, I think, that if they'd saddled 'em up instead of
roasting them they might have been able to withstand the incoming Eurotrash
when we got there. What were they thinking?

B

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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

Messengers ride hard but it's not flat-out all day long. Most of the time its a 
fast cruise speed with maybe a couple of sprints here and there for an 
important or late call.

Cheers,

frank

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On 5/7/15, Knarf, discombobulated, unleashed:

I wouldn't have thought that a bike messenger uses that much more
water
that steady touring in hot temps but maybe I'm wrong. Or maybe my
experience is not typical.

Yes but Frank you were riding a fixie with no breaks against deadlines.

Check your brain at the door please ;-)

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PESO: Rapid Transit

2015-07-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18048442size=lg
Pedicabs outside the Summer Palace in Beijing
Comments are invited.

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians


On 7/5/2015 4:45 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:


PS: We were in Cuba during the embargo, and I asked the Catholic
Priest if the natives looked like American Indians.
I was shocked when he told me there are none. The Spaniards
either killed them, or they died of diseases brought
from Spain.


Between the time Columbus discovered what would become known as the
Americas and the founding of the Plymouth  Jamestown colonies, 90% of
the new world population died from virgin fields epidemics.

Not just the Spaniards, but the Portuguese, Dutch, English, French ...

And don't forget that the Plains Indians had no horses until after 1520,
although there is a growing body of paleontological evidence that horses
once roamed free in North America until the first native Americans
crossing over from Asia hunted them to extinction some 12,000 years ago.

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Re: PESO: The Great Wall

The dead-centre flagpole really works here, it separates the two different wall 
patterns nicely - almost like creating two frames within the larger one.

And the splash of colour of that flag works two.

All those people on the wall has the look of a mass migration of some sort. 

Cool shot!

Cheers,

frank

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K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
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Re: PESO: The Great Wall

2015-07-05 Thread Darren Addy

I agree with Frank! Neat image.

I seem to recall that you started a what amount of kit to take on
your trip discussion, before you left, Dan. I'm curious what you ended
up taking and, perhaps more importantly using/not using and why. Care
to do a follow-up on that? I'm sure your experience would be valuable
to others in similar situation.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 7:13 PM, Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 The dead-centre flagpole really works here, it separates the two different 
 wall patterns nicely - almost like creating two frames within the larger one.

 And the splash of colour of that flag works two.

 All those people on the wall has the look of a mass migration of some sort.

 Cool shot!

 Cheers,

 frank

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K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians


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 And don't forget that the Plains Indians had no horses until after 1520….

So what? Out of the culture they had and the horse, they developed a beautiful 
culture. And then we slaughtered them. Literally slaughtered them.

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Re: PESO: Raleigh 'works.

2015-07-05 Thread Alan C

Spectacular. A fine image.

Alan C

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Raleigh had their annual 4th of July fireworks display. Actually, two
simultaneous displays.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/18822838903

This image is looking south.

The building in the left foreground is the new Raleigh Civic Center,
with the Red Hat amphitheater in front of it. The concert in progress
was Barenaked Ladies w/ Violent Femmes. I'd heard of them, but didn't
really know any of their music.

When I looked them up this morning I found that Barenaked Ladies does
the theme song for the TV show Big Bang Theory.

Just beyond the Civic Center is the Lenoir St parking garage.

Fireworks display number one is launching from the parking lot south of
the amphitheater; west of the parking garage. Display number 2 is
launching from a parking lot on the east side of the Lenoir St garage.

The second display is intended to be viewed from Fayetteville St which
is downtown Raleigh's main street running from Capitol Square to
Memorial Auditorium (now the Duke Energy Center for the Performing
Arts). They closed Fayetteville St down for a street fair which
culminated in the second fireworks display.

The fireworks were set for fairly low burst heights, but I found a spot
on the top level of another parking garage where I could see over the
top of the Civic Center  catch both displays.

You can't really see it in this image, but out on the horizon I could
also see the fireworks displays for some of the smaller Wake County
communities (Cleveland, Clayton  Garner).

I hope everyone else enjoyed the 4th as much as I did.

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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

2015-07-05 Thread Alan C

Well, they've done it in Africa. Most of the invading European 
colonialists/settlers/conquerers have left. Only in SA are they still 
present in any numbers. Land restitution is rapidly reducing white 
ownership. At the moment, the cut off is 1910, but many want to go much 
further back. The San (Bushmen)  Bakoni are probably the rightful owners, 
having been displaced/assimilated/slaughtered by the advancing black tribes 
in the middle ages long before the Europeans came. With no written records, 
it is impossible to prove anything. Archaeologists are trying to make sense 
of it all. In the end it all boils down to power, nationalism, greed  
probably survival.


Alan C

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Subject: Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians

On 7/4/2015 3:47 PM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Jul 4, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola
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The UN can, of course, try to enforce its silly decisions, but
that would reveal it for what it really is -- a relic of times gone
by.


Yeah, off topic. Nevertheless, just to take this example, returning
the lands claimed, even after adjudication, would at this time be
awkward in a number of respects. It seems unnecessary, however, to
characterize the decisions as “silly.” Especially given the fact of
the genocide committed on native Americans by people coming from
Europe. We would do well to reflect on that fact and on what justice
might require as a response.



Yeah, but how far back do you set the cut-off?

Does Spain have to give half the country back to the Moors?

Do the Vikings have to give up Normandy? Or will it be enough to give
England back to the Anglo-Saxons. For that matter, how much do the
Anglo-Saxons have to give back to the Celts  Picts?

Who gets to take over Gaul? Do the Suebi give up the Rhineland? Do the
Helvetii leave Switzerland?

Are the Achaeans going to have to rebuild the walls of Troy?

Native Americans are migrants themselves if you go back far enough. They
just took a different route out of Asia.

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Re: PESO: Rapid Transit

2015-07-05 Thread Alan C


Imagine trying to pedal that thing uphill with 4 large passengers!

Alan C

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Pedicabs outside the Summer Palace in Beijing
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Re: Some pictures from my recent trip to France

2015-07-05 Thread David Mann

On Jul 6, 2015, at 3:28 am, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:

 I've known a couple of super-athletes who've ended up in hospital because 
 they've over-hydrated. I don't think I know anyone who has ended up there 
 because of dehydration. That doesn't mean it never happens, of course.

Ending up in hospital for dehydration would be pretty major but plenty of 
people end up on IV drips in the recovery tent after endurance races.  I know 
of an ultrarunner who ended up with kidney damage after a desert race.  If 
you’re going through a lot of fluid then you’ll definitely need electrolytes, 
otherwise you’re heading for trouble.  There are plenty of sugar-free options 
available (I use Nuun).  I also buy Powerade as powder and make it up as 
needed, but I usually make it at 1/2 to 2/3 strength.  It’s just too sweet for 
me at full power.  You can make your own sports drink from fruit juice but it 
tends to taste a bit strange.

Drinking to thirst doesn’t work for me but some athletes swear by it.  I think 
when I’m going at a decent pace I just don't notice.  I do notice hunger, but 
still not enough to get adequate nutrition so I have to be quite disciplined.  
It has to be pretty hot for me to even notice the heat, until I stop.

I’ve dehydrated myself pretty well a few times and it takes me at least a full 
day to properly recover.

 Obviously in the evenings I make sure I get the correct intake of 
 carbohydrate-based, throat-charming, foaming replenishment fluid…

The most famous endurance race in NZ was sponsored by a brewery until recently. 
 They’d give you a can of product as you cross the finish line.  I’m actually 
curious to know what they’ll be doing next year.

Cheers,
Dave


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Re: PESO - Fifty for the Flag - Happy Canada Day!

2015-07-05 Thread Igor PDML-StR




Frank, that's a fun (and funny) catch.
But, as others have pointed out already, the combination with TNT is 
explosive.


This reminded me of an old story:
 Back in 1986, while it was still Soviet Union, - Russian city of 
Chelyabinsk was celebrating its 250th birthday. There was a wall-poster 
calendar (very nice-looking and thus popular) produced for that occasion. 
It featured a photo of one of the large movie theaters in the center of 
the city, with a large colorful flower bed in front of it. The top of 
the calendar had a title in large font: Chelyabinsk - 250. Right 
below, at the top of the photo, along the roof-top of the movie theater, 
there was a title of the movie that was showed when the photo was taken: 
(translated from Russian) Ordered to [be] destroy[ed].

 Since it was still in the earliest days of Perestroika, and that mishap
was seen as potentially political, someone in the city administration 
lost his warm chair.


Cheers,

Igor



 Knarf Sat, 04 Jul 2015 06:23:46 -0700 wrote:

Thanks Jack! TNT is the store on whose wall the mural appears. I never 
thought about it but I guess it's a bit odd in conjunction with the flag.



Thanks to all who commented!

Cheers,

frank

On 2 July, 2015 9:17:43 AM EDT, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:

I share Ann's sentiments re the photo, Knarf. Still shuddering over
the explosive/TNT connection
however.

J


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Re: UN Resolution for Return of Native Lands to the Indians


On 05/07/2015 4:14 PM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Jul 5, 2015, at 4:49 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:

And don't forget that the Plains Indians had no horses until after
1520….


So what? Out of the culture they had and the horse, they developed a
beautiful culture. And then we slaughtered them. Literally
slaughtered them.


Well, no. ~WE~ did none of the above. Our forefathers may have (not mine 
actually), but ~WE~ have no blame in what happened in North America 
centuries ago.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhC_KHkihKY

is the logical extreme, I suppose.

I absolutely will not be held to blame for actions that took place 
before I was of voting age.
This doesn't mean I don't recognize that the society I live in does have 
some responsibility to try to make things right.



While all this was going on in North America, my family was being abused 
by the British. To be fair, we had helped in an attempt to overthrow 
their Queen three and a half centuries earlier, so probably we deserved it..


bill


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