Re: PESO - Paddington Street Gardens

2015-07-23 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 23 July 2015 at 18:20, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bob S: I've spent about 2 years living in the UK, so have enjoyed a
 bit of it's weather.

 Just jerking Chris M's chain, or feeding his delusions (not sure of
 the state of his reality testing).

My reality needs no testing - as I was saying to the mermaid in my
bathroom this morning.

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Re: OT: Biking with Karin and Chris

2015-07-23 Thread ann sanfedele

Love those last 3... cause I like to laugh

ann

On 7/23/2015 4:46 PM, Bob W wrote:

Here's my side of the story. Any resemblance between Chris's pictures and
mine is purely coincidental.

http://www.web-options.com/Cotswolds2015/

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Re: Lens Hood for 16-45 / 4 Zoom

2015-07-23 Thread Darren Addy
That's rather deceptive. I thought it was the official Pentax made
model, from the description.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Thanks, Bipin. I’ll check it out. I got the hood I ordered from NewEgg. Not 
 happy with it. It screws on instead of slipping on the way the original 
 Pentax hood does, which means it can’t be mounted on the lens backward, which 
 was very convenient when the lens is not in use. I may get a chance to try 
 these disposable hoods yet.

 Eric

 On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Eric, I have seen this rubberised foam sheets - about 1 to 2 mm
 thick and as light as a feather - at Michaels, Wall Mart and other
 craft stores. Paid 89 cents for a sheet. Here in India it is dirt
 cheap. Comes in one side black and the other side white, full black or
 full white.
 Kids use them for school projects and here in India I see them sold on
 the road side as shoe insole inserts.

 You print the lens hood on paper and then use it as a template on your
 rubberised foam sheet. There is an exact name for this sheet, just
 that I can't remember.

 I have also used it for making flash diffuser and bounce card.

 Regards.
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Re: Lens Hood for 16-45 / 4 Zoom

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:31 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's rather deceptive. I thought it was the official Pentax made
 model, from the description.

So did I. Though disappointed, I appreciate your calling it to my attention in 
the first place.

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Re: Lens Hood for 16-45 / 4 Zoom

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir
Yeah, shoulda read more carefully. I might still have hoped that it functioned 
the way the Pentax hood functions, though.

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:58 PM, Eric Featherstone eric.featherst...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 This bit of the item name ...Pro Digital Lens Hood (Flower Design)
 (67mm)... made me think it wasn't the genuine hood.
 
 On 23 July 2015 at 22:31, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's rather deceptive. I thought it was the official Pentax made
 model, from the description.
 
 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Thanks, Bipin. I’ll check it out. I got the hood I ordered from NewEgg. Not 
 happy with it. It screws on instead of slipping on the way the original 
 Pentax hood does, which means it can’t be mounted on the lens backward, 
 which was very convenient when the lens is not in use. I may get a chance 
 to try these disposable hoods yet.
 
 Eric
 
 On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Eric, I have seen this rubberised foam sheets - about 1 to 2 mm
 thick and as light as a feather - at Michaels, Wall Mart and other
 craft stores. Paid 89 cents for a sheet. Here in India it is dirt
 cheap. Comes in one side black and the other side white, full black or
 full white.
 Kids use them for school projects and here in India I see them sold on
 the road side as shoe insole inserts.
 
 You print the lens hood on paper and then use it as a template on your
 rubberised foam sheet. There is an exact name for this sheet, just
 that I can't remember.
 
 I have also used it for making flash diffuser and bounce card.
 
 Regards.
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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Ken Waller
Similarily, there are single element 'close up' lenses that are only one 
element like a filter and they screw on like a filter but are called lenses.


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- Original Message - 
From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: What's in the name?



I understand that Igor.  Despite what evidences of ignorance I may
post here, I do know the difference between a lens and a filter.

I had assumed that the terminology originated when it was first
applied to a lens that had the polarizing built into the lens itself,
and that was later replaced by a filter that could be uses on any lens
of an appropriate diameter.

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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org 
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Dan,

And I assume you know why that would be incorrect usage?
Because (hopefully!) no lensing occurs in a filter (which is supposed 
to

have flat, plane-parallel surfaces).

Cheers,

Igor



 Daniel J. Matyola Thu, 23 Jul 2015 07:36:01 -0700 wrote:

I thought that PL stood for polarizing lens.

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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

...



Now, my 3 guesses that I mentioned yesterday but didn't write to avoid 
any

bias were: lens, light, and luminescence that would be in the scientific
term circularly polarized luminescence. Obviously, none of these would
be
correct in CPL filter.

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Re: Hood for 16-45/4

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 $22.95 shipping included.

Make that $26.90.

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OT: Biking with Karin and Chris

2015-07-23 Thread Bob W
Here's my side of the story. Any resemblance between Chris's pictures and
mine is purely coincidental. 

http://www.web-options.com/Cotswolds2015/

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PESO: Working Under Cover

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
In Tiananmen Square:
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18058362
K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
Comments are invited.

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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 Thanks, Steve. That looks like the right kind of thing. My only question is 
 packing it for an overseas trip. Given your experience, could the bag be 
 collapsed/compressed for packing into a carryon or checked duffle bag.
 
 I *just* got it.  However the external mount attached to the bag is small, 
 the bicycle mount portions would fit inside of it, and if you fill the space 
 in the bag not used by camera or bike gear with socks and underwear, the 
 fabric of the bag shouldn't take up much space.

Thanks, Larry. This is the most attractive option so far. Let me know what you 
think of it after you’ve had some experience with it.

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Re: Hood for 16-45/4

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 20, 2015, at 12:20 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 
 too late for Erik, but the 17-70 hood apparently works well on the 16-45 and 
 is $23 at BH; one can imagine a perfect 17mm hood would cause slight 
 vignetting wide open at 16mm, but i'd be surprised if the hood is perfect, or 
 that it matters
 
 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/618597-REG/Pentax_38763_PH_RBM67_Lens_Hood_for.html

It’s on it’s way, Steve. $22.95 shipping included. I may still give Bipin’s 
printed hood a try. Would be very convenient for travel.

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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 Eric Weir wrote:
 Looks like I’m going to be on a bike for several days while in Italy. 
 Wondering about carrying a camera, in my case a K5, on a bicycle on a 
 bicycle tour. Especially balancing protecting the camera while underway with 
 accessibility to the camera for taking photos. Suggestions? Special 
 equipment?
 
 I just bought one myself. Ibera makes two sizes, I went for the larger one:
 http://www.amazon.com/Ibera-Clip-On-Quick-Release-Bicycle-Handlebar/dp/B0097DUIOE
 
 They also have a smaller one.
 http://www.amazon.com/Quick-Release-Handlebar-Shoulder-Dividers-Reflective/dp/B00GYGCKY8/ref=pd_sim_468_3?ie=UTF8refRID=0S4K2DRGMDQ3S4X4Y6XV

Thanks, Steve. That looks like the right kind of thing. My only question is 
packing it for an overseas trip. Given your experience, could the bag be 
collapsed/compressed for packing into a carryon or checked duffle bag.  

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Re: Lens Hood for 16-45 / 4 Zoom

2015-07-23 Thread steve harley

On 2015-07-23 15:36 , steve harley wrote:

i would send it back and get the one for the 17-70; you'll save money even
with return shipping


i should say, i haven't tried the 17-70 hood, but i found a discussion or 
review that said it would work just like the regular hood (e.g. reversible); 
i would confirm that with another source before ordering



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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Thanks, Steve.

Sorry, Larry. “Thanks, Larry!

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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Larry Colen



Eric Weir wrote:

On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Larry Colenl...@red4est.com  wrote:

Eric Weir wrote:

Looks like I’m going to be on a bike for several days while in Italy. Wondering 
about carrying a camera, in my case a K5, on a bicycle on a bicycle tour. 
Especially balancing protecting the camera while underway with accessibility to 
the camera for taking photos. Suggestions? Special equipment?

I just bought one myself. Ibera makes two sizes, I went for the larger one:
http://www.amazon.com/Ibera-Clip-On-Quick-Release-Bicycle-Handlebar/dp/B0097DUIOE

They also have a smaller one.
http://www.amazon.com/Quick-Release-Handlebar-Shoulder-Dividers-Reflective/dp/B00GYGCKY8/ref=pd_sim_468_3?ie=UTF8refRID=0S4K2DRGMDQ3S4X4Y6XV


Thanks, Steve. That looks like the right kind of thing. My only question is 
packing it for an overseas trip. Given your experience, could the bag be 
collapsed/compressed for packing into a carryon or checked duffle bag.


I *just* got it.  However the external mount attached to the bag is 
small, the bicycle mount portions would fit inside of it, and if you 
fill the space in the bag not used by camera or bike gear with socks and 
underwear, the fabric of the bag shouldn't take up much space.


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Re: Lens Hood for 16-45 / 4 Zoom

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Featherstone
This bit of the item name ...Pro Digital Lens Hood (Flower Design)
(67mm)... made me think it wasn't the genuine hood.

On 23 July 2015 at 22:31, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's rather deceptive. I thought it was the official Pentax made
 model, from the description.

 On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Thanks, Bipin. I’ll check it out. I got the hood I ordered from NewEgg. Not 
 happy with it. It screws on instead of slipping on the way the original 
 Pentax hood does, which means it can’t be mounted on the lens backward, 
 which was very convenient when the lens is not in use. I may get a chance to 
 try these disposable hoods yet.

 Eric

 On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Eric, I have seen this rubberised foam sheets - about 1 to 2 mm
 thick and as light as a feather - at Michaels, Wall Mart and other
 craft stores. Paid 89 cents for a sheet. Here in India it is dirt
 cheap. Comes in one side black and the other side white, full black or
 full white.
 Kids use them for school projects and here in India I see them sold on
 the road side as shoe insole inserts.

 You print the lens hood on paper and then use it as a template on your
 rubberised foam sheet. There is an exact name for this sheet, just
 that I can't remember.

 I have also used it for making flash diffuser and bounce card.

 Regards.
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Re: PESO: Working Under Cover

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
We were there in mid-May.  I was warm, but not especially hot.  I was
outdoors from 8:00 AM until sundown, without a hat, and I was not
really uncomfortable.  f course, I was not wearing a uniform.

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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Eric Featherstone
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 On 23 July 2015 at 22:10, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 In Tiananmen Square:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18058362
 K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
 Comments are invited.


 I guess it was hot? When I went in Feb 2012 it was pretty cold; the
 moat around the forbidden city, and the lakes in the parks were
 frozen. Badaling high up in the hills was icy windy. Still all a very
 enjoyable experience though.

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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread ann sanfedele

stealing lines from Carlin are ya..

ann

On 7/23/2015 1:17 PM, John wrote:
... and why do people park their cars in driveways  drive them on 
parkways?


On 7/23/2015 12:24 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

speaking of obscure language questions...

As my sons were growing up, we wondered what happened to Frigerators.
We knew about re-frigerators, but where were the originals?
A big landfill somewhere?
When the milk gets warm and you put it back in the refrigerator, whats
happening?
You replacing the original frigeration it had before breakfast?

And Be'Jesus.
If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?
How is it replenished?
How do you know if you have enough?

Regards,  Bob S.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org 
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I know that there are quite a few language and grammar geeks among 
PDMLers.

That's why I thought I'd share this linguistic question that
got me puzzled.

I see that almost everybody who is talking about Circular Polarizers 
uses an
abbreviation CPL, either as a noun or adjective (e.g. CPL filter). 
The
curious part is that none of the online photography articles and 
reviews

that talks about CPL bothers to deabbreviate it.
(Just as a reference, all scientific journals where I've published my
articles require to define any abbreviation before using it for the 
first

time, even for those that are common in the field.)

So, my question is What does the `L' in CPL stand for?
I have 3 versions of what it might be (or what photographers who use 
that
abbreviation might mean), including a standard one that is typically 
used in
optical methods in physics, chemistry and related areas of science. 
None of

those 3 would be strictly speaking correct.
So, I am suspecting that I might be missing something more obvious.

So, what does the `L' in CPL stand for?

Thank you,

Igor


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Re: Hood for 16-45/4

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 20, 2015, at 12:20 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 
 too late for Erik, but the 17-70 hood apparently works well on the 16-45 and 
 is $23 at BH; one can imagine a perfect 17mm hood would cause slight 
 vignetting wide open at 16mm, but i'd be surprised if the hood is perfect, or 
 that it matters
 
 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/618597-REG/Pentax_38763_PH_RBM67_Lens_Hood_for.html

Damn, Steve. This is even cheaper than the one I got from NewEgg. Thanks again.

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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 22, 2015, at 6:35 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 OP/TECH Stabilizer Strap.
 
 http://optechusa.com/straps/stabilizer-strap.html

Thanks, John. I have it. I bought it for the walk I did in England back in 
September of 2013. I ended up leaving it in my duffle bag and carrying the 
camera in my hand. Even with a light weight lens—A 28/2.8—having the weight of 
the camera on my neck 8-10 hours everyday got to be pretty tiresome, even a 
little painful. 

I find carrying the camera in my hand to be convenient. I always do so on hikes 
in the North Georgia mountains. I wrap the shoulder strap around my wrist, so 
even if I let go of the camera it doesn’t fall to the ground. It certainly 
makes the camera very accessible, and I don’t find it awkward at all. 

Of course, if I were to take a full body fall, as I have a couple times, the 
camera is at risk. But that’s the case pretty much however you carry the 
camera, and so far my camera hasn’t suffered a scratch. 

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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 
 Eric Weir wrote:
 
 On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com 
 wrote:
 
 For my bicycle travels I've used a Tamrac Velocity 7 sling pack.
 Holds a camera and one or two lenses. Fast, easy access. Worked very
 well for me
 
 Thanks, Mark. I picked up a Pentax sling bag during a visit to KEH a 
 few months back. I like Larry’s suggestion, but the sling bag might 
 work pretty well.
 
 It all depends on how much time you'll be spending walking around off
 the bike. The more time you're going to be on foot at various
 destinations the better a sling pack/bag will work. If you're going to
 me emphasizing the cycling and not venturing far from the bike for
 photography, something that mounts on the bike makes more sense.

Thanks, Mark.

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Re: Another Pentax Lens De-Flowered

2015-07-23 Thread Ken Waller

Say it like it is Cotty - it was just deflowered it was de-balled.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv

Subject: Another Pentax Lens De-Flowered



Some minor surgery the other day to the wonderful SMC 17/4 fisheye,
converting it for use as a cine prime - more in a moment.

Some may know that I had previously done the same with my A*85/1.4 last
year: removed the detent balls and springs from the aperture ring to
allow smooth and continuous aperture change while shooting video. It is
very effective and the images from it onto the Canon C100 super-35
sensor are luscious beyond dreams. The super 35 sensor size is smaller
than 'full-frame' (36X24mm) and only a tad larger than APS-C...

see chart:

http://cvp.com/images/uploaded/sensor_table.gif

...so fields of view are similar to Pentax DSLR territory, which means
shooting wider angles are more of a challenge. For wide zoom work - for
instance when filming groups of people at close quarters - needing wide
shots and closer detail at will, I have been using the Canon EF17-40/4.
The problem with that lens is that the aperture is controlled via a
click-wheel on the camera body, and when performing a move (say) from
bright to dark and needing to adjust aperture ('pull stop') dynamically
during the shot, the aperture steps are visible - even when the camera
is set at 1/3 increment control - and so not acceptable.

To get round this I'll be sourcing a copy of the only decent wide zoom
lens on the market with an aperture ring - the Nikkor AF-S 17-35/2.8 and
then having it doctored, literally, by a company that specialises in
transforming still lenses for cine use;

http://www.thelensdoctor.co.uk/page6.html

They'll remove the clicks from the aperture ring  and dampen it to avoid
inadvertent movement. The Nikkor is a bit more involved than the old MF
Pentax lenses, so it's worth doing properly. Why? Because the cine
alternatives are cost-prohibitive for my needs. That's further down the 
line.


Meanwhile I remembered the 17/4 sitting in a drawer and thought it would
be fun to convert it for cine use. An hour removing the aperture clicks
and a bit of jiggery-pokery re-situating the return spring and fitting
an EF mount (sourced from the few I had specially made about 15 years
ago when i first modified some lenses to Canon use) and hey presto.
Early tests with it are fantastic - love the barrel distortion this lens
offers and the field of view works really well on the C100. Will come in
very useful for in-your-face wide shots in music sequences etc.

I'm working on some video I shot while sailing in the Baltic earlier in
the summer where I used the 85/1.4 so when that's completed I'll post a
link to view. Will hopefully get a chance to use the 17/4 in anger soon,
watch this space.

Hope all are well, am dipping in on the list sporadically and often.
Very little stills photography going on at the moment sadly!

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Re: Lens Hood for 16-45 / 4 Zoom

2015-07-23 Thread steve harley

On 2015-07-23 15:28 , Eric Weir wrote:

Thanks, Bipin. I’ll check it out. I got the hood I ordered from NewEgg. Not 
happy with it. It screws on instead of slipping on the way the original Pentax 
hood does, which means it can’t be mounted on the lens backward, which was very 
convenient when the lens is not in use. I may get a chance to try these 
disposable hoods yet.


i would send it back and get the one for the 17-70; you'll save money even 
with return shipping





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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:09 PM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Disappointed that you’ve found banking with full-size cameras a challenge.

Damn auto spellcheck! (I know, I don’t have to use it.) Needless to say, should 
have been “biking” not “banking.

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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir
Thanks, Godfrey. Sounds a lot like the bag Larry found. I’ll check it out, too.

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:
 
 I missed the start of this thread. 
 
 My solution has been to use an Ortlieb Mini-O bag outfitted with a mount that 
 mates to the front bag mount on my bike (a Brompton) and use the Ortlieb 
 camera insert in that. The bag is a nice size for a modest-sized camera/2-3 
 lens kit, is frame-mounted so no wobblies, is weatherproof, and has a 
 shoulder strap included when you have parked/stored the bike. Take the insert 
 out and it's a decent general purpose carryall too. 
 
 It's got structure in it so it doesn't fold down to jam into other luggage, 
 but if your other luggage is big enough, just fill it with whatever else will 
 fit and stuff it in as is. 
 
 Now I just have to get my hip replacement surgery done so that I can ride my 
 bicycle again... :-/
 
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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Jostein Øksne
I believe polariser is a word created from polarised light filter, hence 
PL-filter.


Jostein

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From: Igor PDML-StR

Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:27 AM
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: What's in the name?


I know that there are quite a few language and grammar geeks among
PDMLers. That's why I thought I'd share this linguistic question that
got me puzzled.

I see that almost everybody who is talking about Circular Polarizers
uses an abbreviation CPL, either as a noun or adjective (e.g. CPL
filter). The curious part is that none of the online photography
articles and reviews that talks about CPL bothers to deabbreviate it.
(Just as a reference, all scientific journals where I've
published my articles require to define any abbreviation before using it
for the first time, even for those that are common in the field.)

So, my question is What does the `L' in CPL stand for?
I have 3 versions of what it might be (or what photographers who use that
abbreviation might mean), including a standard one that is typically
used in optical methods in physics, chemistry and related areas
of science. None of those 3 would be strictly speaking correct.
So, I am suspecting that I might be missing something more obvious.

So, what does the `L' in CPL stand for?

Thank you,

Igor


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Re: OT: First Adult Bike

2015-07-23 Thread Mark C

Nice bike, nice photo! Grace looks like she wants to be on her way already.

On 7/22/2015 5:08 PM, paul stenquist wrote:

Gracie has her first adult bike. I bought her a 2014 Giant Tempt 5, which was 
new but somewhat reduced since it’s last year’s model. Seems to work great. It 
has 27.5 wheels but an Adult Small frame. Went to a good bike shop nearby, and 
they measured her and had her test drive some bikes. This one seems to be 
excellent. Was surprised to learn it’s American made, or at least marketed by a 
U.S. company. (I’m often skeptical of “American made” claims.)

Here’s a truly awful phone pic in bad light with Grace squinting:-)

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18058025size=lg



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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 
 For my bicycle travels I've used a Tamrac Velocity 7 sling pack.
 Holds a camera and one or two lenses. Fast, easy access. Worked very
 well for me

Thanks, Mark. I picked up a Pentax sling bag during a visit to KEH a few months 
back. I like Larry’s suggestion, but the sling bag might work pretty well.

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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir

 On Jul 22, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:
 
 P.s. If I were to do a really long tour - months, perhaps - I would give some 
 thought to fitting a porteur rack to the front of the bike and either putting 
 a camera bag directly on that, or using a large front bag and putting a 
 camera bag inside that.

Looks like Larry’s found a bag that essentially does that.

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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I missed the start of this thread. 

My solution has been to use an Ortlieb Mini-O bag outfitted with a mount that 
mates to the front bag mount on my bike (a Brompton) and use the Ortlieb camera 
insert in that. The bag is a nice size for a modest-sized camera/2-3 lens kit, 
is frame-mounted so no wobblies, is weatherproof, and has a shoulder strap 
included when you have parked/stored the bike. Take the insert out and it's a 
decent general purpose carryall too. 

It's got structure in it so it doesn't fold down to jam into other luggage, but 
if your other luggage is big enough, just fill it with whatever else will fit 
and stuff it in as is. 

Now I just have to get my hip replacement surgery done so that I can ride my 
bicycle again... :-/

G
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Re: PESO - The Final Grebe Shot

2015-07-23 Thread Jack Davis
What Dan said!

J


Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 22, 2015, at 9:02 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Nice sense of movement imparted by the wake.
 Strong composition and interesting poses.
 
 
 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:03 PM, frank theriault
 knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 Okay, not the last ~ever~ but the last from Sunday's shoot. I think
 this is my favourite because it's earlier, before the skies got really
 dark - the aperture was a bit smaller so both grebes are fairly well
 focused (by my standards, anyway):
 
 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/the-final-grebe-shot.html
 
 Let me know what you think. Comments always welcome. Hope you enjoy.
 
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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Darren Addy
It isn't an acronym. PL was originally the abbreviation printed on
linear polarizers from almost all manufacturers. When circular
polarizers came into being (and were necessary to avoid exposure and
focus problems with modern cameras that use semi-silvered mirrors or
prisms to split the light entering the viewfinder in order to
calculate exposure and focusing distance) they had to be
differentiated in some way. You will see them called CPL, PL-CIR, and
PL-C (perhaps others) by various manufacturers.

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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Bob W-PDML
I have a couple of similar bags. One of them is too small for a SLR kit. The 
other is an Arkel bag, which is a highly-regarded brand, but in fact it's 
enormous so I haven't used it yet, on the grounds that nature abhors a vacuum 
so I'd end up filling it, and that goes against my principle of keeping it 
light.

http://www.arkel-od.com/en/arkel-large-handlebar-bag.html

B



 On 23 Jul 2015, at 23:12, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 
 On Jul 22, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:
 
 P.s. If I were to do a really long tour - months, perhaps - I would give 
 some thought to fitting a porteur rack to the front of the bike and either 
 putting a camera bag directly on that, or using a large front bag and 
 putting a camera bag inside that.
 
 Looks like Larry’s found a bag that essentially does that.
 
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Re: Charles S. Aguila

2015-07-23 Thread Marco Alpert
Profound condolences, Christine. Lovely memories.

- Marco

On Jul 23, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:

 Hi Everyone:
 
 Tuesday night, my dad—Charles S. Aguila--passed away.  He was 84 and had been 
 suffering with congestive heart failure.  My dad would have fit right in 
 PDML.  He had a great sense of humor, was extremely generous, told funny 
 stories, and was a solid photographer in his own right.  Someday, I’ll scan 
 some of his slides and post them; they are really quite good.  He used to 
 shoot with a Minolta—I think.  I don’t know if his camera is still in the 
 house.
 
 Some of his funniest stories were about his paratrooper days.  Dad served in 
 Korea, and when his tour was completed he reenlisted in the reserves, went to 
 jump school, and served as a paratrooper in the 12th Special Forces. He never 
 jumped during active duty, but he completed 60+ jumps during his reserve 
 service.   He also earned Canadian wings during jump school training in 
 Canada.  After 31 years of military service, he retired Master Sergeant E9.
 
 He is 81 in the photo below.  When I took this photo three years ago, I 
 thought for sure he’d be around for a good while longer.  He looks so fit and 
 young for 81.  But in the last year and a half, his health turned.  He died 
 at home with everyone near by and surrounded in love.
 
 Love you, Dad!  Miss you tons!
 Christine
 
 http://www.caguilaphotography.com/dad/content/81st_birthday_large.html
 
 
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Re: Charles S. Aguila

2015-07-23 Thread Alan C

Sincere condolences, Christine. He was obviously quite a guy.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Christine Aguila

Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 4:05 AM
To: PDML List
Subject: Charles S. Aguila

Hi Everyone:

Tuesday night, my dad—Charles S. Aguila--passed away.  He was 84 and had 
been suffering with congestive heart failure.  My dad would have fit right 
in PDML.  He had a great sense of humor, was extremely generous, told funny 
stories, and was a solid photographer in his own right.  Someday, I’ll scan 
some of his slides and post them; they are really quite good.  He used to 
shoot with a Minolta—I think.  I don’t know if his camera is still in the 
house.


Some of his funniest stories were about his paratrooper days.  Dad served in 
Korea, and when his tour was completed he reenlisted in the reserves, went 
to jump school, and served as a paratrooper in the 12th Special Forces. He 
never jumped during active duty, but he completed 60+ jumps during his 
reserve service.   He also earned Canadian wings during jump school training 
in Canada.  After 31 years of military service, he retired Master Sergeant 
E9.


He is 81 in the photo below.  When I took this photo three years ago, I 
thought for sure he’d be around for a good while longer.  He looks so fit 
and young for 81.  But in the last year and a half, his health turned.  He 
died at home with everyone near by and surrounded in love.


Love you, Dad!  Miss you tons!
Christine

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Re: PESO - Lunchtime Sun

2015-07-23 Thread Alan C

Looks like an Oracle!

Alan C

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Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 2:40 AM
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http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18049362size=lg

The Paddington Street Gardens were once a cemetery, and there are still a 
few mausoleums on the property.


Comments appreciated.

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Re: Charles S. Aguila

2015-07-23 Thread Dario Bonazza

Warm condolences Christine.
My dad passed away aged 82 last year, and I miss him so much.
Dario

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Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 4:05 AM
To: PDML List
Subject: Charles S. Aguila

Hi Everyone:

Tuesday night, my dad—Charles S. Aguila--passed away.  He was 84 and had 
been suffering with congestive heart failure.  My dad would have fit right 
in PDML.  He had a great sense of humor, was extremely generous, told funny 
stories, and was a solid photographer in his own right.  Someday, I’ll scan 
some of his slides and post them; they are really quite good.  He used to 
shoot with a Minolta—I think.  I don’t know if his camera is still in the 
house.


Some of his funniest stories were about his paratrooper days.  Dad served in 
Korea, and when his tour was completed he reenlisted in the reserves, went 
to jump school, and served as a paratrooper in the 12th Special Forces. He 
never jumped during active duty, but he completed 60+ jumps during his 
reserve service.   He also earned Canadian wings during jump school training 
in Canada.  After 31 years of military service, he retired Master Sergeant 
E9.


He is 81 in the photo below.  When I took this photo three years ago, I 
thought for sure he’d be around for a good while longer.  He looks so fit 
and young for 81.  But in the last year and a half, his health turned.  He 
died at home with everyone near by and surrounded in love.


Love you, Dad!  Miss you tons!
Christine

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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread David Mann
So they can fly off a runway.

 On Jul 24, 2015, at 5:17 am, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 ... and why do people park their cars in driveways  drive them on parkways?
 
 On 7/23/2015 12:24 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
 speaking of obscure language questions...
 
 As my sons were growing up, we wondered what happened to Frigerators.
 We knew about re-frigerators, but where were the originals?
 A big landfill somewhere?
 When the milk gets warm and you put it back in the refrigerator, whats
 happening?
 You replacing the original frigeration it had before breakfast?
 
 And Be'Jesus.
 If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?
 How is it replenished?
 How do you know if you have enough?
 
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:
 
 I know that there are quite a few language and grammar geeks among PDMLers.
 That's why I thought I'd share this linguistic question that
 got me puzzled.
 
 I see that almost everybody who is talking about Circular Polarizers uses an
 abbreviation CPL, either as a noun or adjective (e.g. CPL filter). The
 curious part is that none of the online photography articles and reviews
 that talks about CPL bothers to deabbreviate it.
 (Just as a reference, all scientific journals where I've published my
 articles require to define any abbreviation before using it for the first
 time, even for those that are common in the field.)
 
 So, my question is What does the `L' in CPL stand for?
 I have 3 versions of what it might be (or what photographers who use that
 abbreviation might mean), including a standard one that is typically used in
 optical methods in physics, chemistry and related areas of science. None of
 those 3 would be strictly speaking correct.
 So, I am suspecting that I might be missing something more obvious.
 
 So, what does the `L' in CPL stand for?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Igor
 
 
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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Mark Roberts
Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 Similarily, there are single element 'close up' lenses that are only one
 element like a filter and they screw on like a filter but are called lenses.

Yes!  I have one of those someplace, but I haven't used it for 15 or 20 years.

The best ones are two elements cemented together and are achromatic.
Pentax made some really good ones, of which I have a couple in 77mm
thread. Quite useful when you don't want to carry a dedicated macro
lens. I've also got a Sigme 2-element close-up lens in 58mm size and
it's very, very good.
 
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Charles S. Aguila

2015-07-23 Thread Christine Aguila
Hi Everyone:

Tuesday night, my dad—Charles S. Aguila--passed away.  He was 84 and had been 
suffering with congestive heart failure.  My dad would have fit right in PDML.  
He had a great sense of humor, was extremely generous, told funny stories, and 
was a solid photographer in his own right.  Someday, I’ll scan some of his 
slides and post them; they are really quite good.  He used to shoot with a 
Minolta—I think.  I don’t know if his camera is still in the house.

Some of his funniest stories were about his paratrooper days.  Dad served in 
Korea, and when his tour was completed he reenlisted in the reserves, went to 
jump school, and served as a paratrooper in the 12th Special Forces. He never 
jumped during active duty, but he completed 60+ jumps during his reserve 
service.   He also earned Canadian wings during jump school training in Canada. 
 After 31 years of military service, he retired Master Sergeant E9.

He is 81 in the photo below.  When I took this photo three years ago, I thought 
for sure he’d be around for a good while longer.  He looks so fit and young for 
81.  But in the last year and a half, his health turned.  He died at home with 
everyone near by and surrounded in love.

Love you, Dad!  Miss you tons!
Christine

http://www.caguilaphotography.com/dad/content/81st_birthday_large.html


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Re: Charles S. Aguila

2015-07-23 Thread Knarf
I'm so sorry Christine! 

I share Darren's sentiments but not his eloquence. I will simply say that as I 
lost my dad fifteen years ago, I feel your pain. 

My sincerest condolences to you and your family. 

That photo is a perfect remembrance of him. I know it will be treasured.

Best regards,

frank

On 23 July, 2015 10:05:32 PM EDT, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com 
wrote:
Hi Everyone:

Tuesday night, my dad—Charles S. Aguila--passed away.  He was 84 and
had been suffering with congestive heart failure.  My dad would have
fit right in PDML.  He had a great sense of humor, was extremely
generous, told funny stories, and was a solid photographer in his own
right.  Someday, I’ll scan some of his slides and post them; they are
really quite good.  He used to shoot with a Minolta—I think.  I don’t
know if his camera is still in the house.

Some of his funniest stories were about his paratrooper days.  Dad
served in Korea, and when his tour was completed he reenlisted in the
reserves, went to jump school, and served as a paratrooper in the 12th
Special Forces. He never jumped during active duty, but he completed
60+ jumps during his reserve service.   He also earned Canadian wings
during jump school training in Canada.  After 31 years of military
service, he retired Master Sergeant E9.

He is 81 in the photo below.  When I took this photo three years ago, I
thought for sure he’d be around for a good while longer.  He looks so
fit and young for 81.  But in the last year and a half, his health
turned.  He died at home with everyone near by and surrounded in love.

Love you, Dad!  Miss you tons!
Christine

http://www.caguilaphotography.com/dad/content/81st_birthday_large.html


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Re: OT: Biking with Karin and Chris

2015-07-23 Thread Rick Womer
Purely.

A good friend used to keep his aeroplane at a disused RAF base at Little 
Rissington, not far from Great Barrington. Very nice countryside around there, 
both to drive through and fly over.

It amused me that the two villages were about the same size, despite the 
egomaniacal title of the latter.

Rick

On Jul 23, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Bob W wrote:

 Here's my side of the story. Any resemblance between Chris's pictures and
 mine is purely coincidental. 
 
 http://www.web-options.com/Cotswolds2015/
 
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Re: Charles S. Aguila

2015-07-23 Thread Darren Addy
Christine,
You have my sincere condolences. It was very generous of you to share
this with us and also the photo of your dear father. We are with you
in your time of grief. Anyone who has ever experienced losing a loved
one can feel your heartbreak. Somehow it is the sharing of that
feeling and letting others share in our pain that helps us through.
I'm sure your father was very proud of you, Christine, and would be
grateful to know how much he is missed.

Respectfully,
Darren Addy

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 Hi Everyone:

 Tuesday night, my dad—Charles S. Aguila--passed away.  He was 84 and had been 
 suffering with congestive heart failure.  My dad would have fit right in 
 PDML.  He had a great sense of humor, was extremely generous, told funny 
 stories, and was a solid photographer in his own right.  Someday, I’ll scan 
 some of his slides and post them; they are really quite good.  He used to 
 shoot with a Minolta—I think.  I don’t know if his camera is still in the 
 house.

 Some of his funniest stories were about his paratrooper days.  Dad served in 
 Korea, and when his tour was completed he reenlisted in the reserves, went to 
 jump school, and served as a paratrooper in the 12th Special Forces. He never 
 jumped during active duty, but he completed 60+ jumps during his reserve 
 service.   He also earned Canadian wings during jump school training in 
 Canada.  After 31 years of military service, he retired Master Sergeant E9.

 He is 81 in the photo below.  When I took this photo three years ago, I 
 thought for sure he’d be around for a good while longer.  He looks so fit and 
 young for 81.  But in the last year and a half, his health turned.  He died 
 at home with everyone near by and surrounded in love.

 Love you, Dad!  Miss you tons!
 Christine

 http://www.caguilaphotography.com/dad/content/81st_birthday_large.html


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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Ken Waller

I have several Nikon and A Canon that are very good.

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- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com

Subject: Re: What's in the name?



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:


On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:

Similarily, there are single element 'close up' lenses that are only one
element like a filter and they screw on like a filter but are called 
lenses.


Yes!  I have one of those someplace, but I haven't used it for 15 or 20 
years.


The best ones are two elements cemented together and are achromatic.
Pentax made some really good ones, of which I have a couple in 77mm
thread. Quite useful when you don't want to carry a dedicated macro
lens. I've also got a Sigme 2-element close-up lens in 58mm size and
it's very, very good.

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Re: Charles S. Aguila

2015-07-23 Thread Ken Waller

So sorry for your loss Christine.
If I would have met him I would have thanked him for his dedication and 
service to his country.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com

To: PDML List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:05 PM
Subject: Charles S. Aguila



Hi Everyone:

Tuesday night, my dad—Charles S. Aguila--passed away.  He was 84 and had 
been suffering with congestive heart failure.  My dad would have fit right 
in PDML.  He had a great sense of humor, was extremely generous, told 
funny stories, and was a solid photographer in his own right.  Someday, I’ll 
scan some of his slides and post them; they are really quite good.  He 
used to shoot with a Minolta—I think.  I don’t know if his camera is still 
in the house.


Some of his funniest stories were about his paratrooper days.  Dad served 
in Korea, and when his tour was completed he reenlisted in the reserves, 
went to jump school, and served as a paratrooper in the 12th Special 
Forces. He never jumped during active duty, but he completed 60+ jumps 
during his reserve service.   He also earned Canadian wings during jump 
school training in Canada.  After 31 years of military service, he retired 
Master Sergeant E9.


He is 81 in the photo below.  When I took this photo three years ago, I 
thought for sure he’d be around for a good while longer.  He looks so fit 
and young for 81.  But in the last year and a half, his health turned.  He 
died at home with everyone near by and surrounded in love.


Love you, Dad!  Miss you tons!
Christine

http://www.caguilaphotography.com/dad/content/81st_birthday_large.html



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PESO - Lunchtime Sun

2015-07-23 Thread Rick Womer
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18049362size=lg

The Paddington Street Gardens were once a cemetery, and there are still a few 
mausoleums on the property.

Comments appreciated.

Rick



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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
 Similarily, there are single element 'close up' lenses that are only one
 element like a filter and they screw on like a filter but are called lenses.

Yes!  I have one of those someplace, but I haven't used it for 15 or 20 years.


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Re: Charles S. Aguila

2015-07-23 Thread Jack Davis
Touching, sweet remembrances.

My condolences, Christina.

J
Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Christine Aguila christ...@caguila.com wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 Tuesday night, my dad—Charles S. Aguila--passed away.  He was 84 and had been 
 suffering with congestive heart failure.  My dad would have fit right in 
 PDML.  He had a great sense of humor, was extremely generous, told funny 
 stories, and was a solid photographer in his own right.  Someday, I’ll scan 
 some of his slides and post them; they are really quite good.  He used to 
 shoot with a Minolta—I think.  I don’t know if his camera is still in the 
 house.
 
 Some of his funniest stories were about his paratrooper days.  Dad served in 
 Korea, and when his tour was completed he reenlisted in the reserves, went to 
 jump school, and served as a paratrooper in the 12th Special Forces. He never 
 jumped during active duty, but he completed 60+ jumps during his reserve 
 service.   He also earned Canadian wings during jump school training in 
 Canada.  After 31 years of military service, he retired Master Sergeant E9.
 
 He is 81 in the photo below.  When I took this photo three years ago, I 
 thought for sure he’d be around for a good while longer.  He looks so fit and 
 young for 81.  But in the last year and a half, his health turned.  He died 
 at home with everyone near by and surrounded in love.
 
 Love you, Dad!  Miss you tons!
 Christine
 
 http://www.caguilaphotography.com/dad/content/81st_birthday_large.html
 
 
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RE: Charles S. Aguila

2015-07-23 Thread John Coyle
Sorry to hear that, Christine, my sincere condolences.
From that photo, the likeness is amazing.

John in Brisbane



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Hi Everyone:

Tuesday night, my dad—Charles S. Aguila--passed away.  He was 84 and had been 
suffering with congestive heart failure.  My dad would have fit right in PDML.  
He had a great sense of humor, was extremely generous, told funny stories, and 
was a solid photographer in his own right.  Someday, I’ll scan some of his 
slides and post them; they are really quite good.  He used to shoot with a 
Minolta—I think.  I don’t know if his camera is still in the house.

Some of his funniest stories were about his paratrooper days.  Dad served in 
Korea, and when his tour was completed he reenlisted in the reserves, went to 
jump school, and served as a paratrooper in the 12th Special Forces. He never 
jumped during active duty, but he completed 60+ jumps during his reserve 
service.   He also earned Canadian wings during jump school training in Canada. 
 After 31 years of military service, he retired Master Sergeant E9.

He is 81 in the photo below.  When I took this photo three years ago, I thought 
for sure he’d be around for a good while longer.  He looks so fit and young for 
81.  But in the last year and a half, his health turned.  He died at home with 
everyone near by and surrounded in love.

Love you, Dad!  Miss you tons!
Christine

http://www.caguilaphotography.com/dad/content/81st_birthday_large.html


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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Never thought about it. PL was the label on filter boxes that contained 
polarizing filters when I worked the camera counter, just like O, G, A, Y, etc, 
coded other filter boxes. I guess CPL became popular after that for circular 
polarizers. 

I wouldn't waste too much time on trying to ascertain a specific derivation. 

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Re: Lens Hood for 16-45 / 4 Zoom

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir
Thanks, Bipin. I’ll check it out. I got the hood I ordered from NewEgg. Not 
happy with it. It screws on instead of slipping on the way the original Pentax 
hood does, which means it can’t be mounted on the lens backward, which was very 
convenient when the lens is not in use. I may get a chance to try these 
disposable hoods yet.

Eric

 On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:59 PM, Bipin Gupta bip...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Eric, I have seen this rubberised foam sheets - about 1 to 2 mm
 thick and as light as a feather - at Michaels, Wall Mart and other
 craft stores. Paid 89 cents for a sheet. Here in India it is dirt
 cheap. Comes in one side black and the other side white, full black or
 full white.
 Kids use them for school projects and here in India I see them sold on
 the road side as shoe insole inserts.
 
 You print the lens hood on paper and then use it as a template on your
 rubberised foam sheet. There is an exact name for this sheet, just
 that I can't remember.
 
 I have also used it for making flash diffuser and bounce card.
 
 Regards.
 Bipin
 
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Re: PESO: Working Under Cover

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Featherstone
On 23 July 2015 at 22:10, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 In Tiananmen Square:
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18058362
 K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
 Comments are invited.


I guess it was hot? When I went in Feb 2012 it was pretty cold; the
moat around the forbidden city, and the lakes in the parks were
frozen. Badaling high up in the hills was icy windy. Still all a very
enjoyable experience though.

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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread steve harley

On 2015-07-23 11:17 , John wrote:

... and why do people park their cars in driveways  drive them on parkways?


don't people drive bikes and ride cars, after all?


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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Weir
Thanks, Bob. I think I am going to enjoy myself. This is the company with which 
I’ll (probably) be booking a tour in the next day or so. 
http://www.salentobicitour.org/en My schedule won’t permit doing the entire 
thing, but I’ll join the Trulli and Salento tour three days in. I know you 
wouldn’t bother with a company like this, that you’d strike out on your own. 
I’m not quite confident of myself enough for that yet. I like what I sense of 
this company. Very eco conscious. And very accommodating of me. A bit of a 
price, though. But as my English sister said, “You can’t take it with you.

The Fuji cameras are very appealing. I’ve been eyeing them for some time now. 
They are available from KEH pretty reasonably. Don’t know if I can afford the 
convenience of the X20 for this trip, though. 

Disappointed that you’ve found banking with full-size cameras a challenge. I 
have a Domke bag that’s slightly larger than your’s. I carry it with the camera 
in it all the time. The camera should come out of the bag much, much more often 
than it does, though. 


 On Jul 22, 2015, at 2:47 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:
 
 Hi Eric,
 
 You will enjoy yourself with or without a camera. I haven't fully resolved 
 your question yet, but I can certainly tell you what my experiences have been.
 
 On my most recent tours, over the last year to eighteen months, I've taken a 
 Fuji X20 which I keep in a CCS compact pouch (http://www.ccscentre.co.uk) for 
 protection, which I put in a waterproof stuff-sac for, er, waterproofing 
 stuff, along with my other crap like passport and wallet. 
 
 This in turn goes in my handlebar bag 
 (http://banjobrothers.com/products/current/canvas-and-leather-bags/canvas-saddle-bag-small/
   - they call it a saddle bag, but it works very well as a bar bag).
 
 This generally works fine and is quite quick to use when pootling along on my 
 velocipede I see something photogenic. My quibbles are mostly related to the 
 camera's usability, but they are general quibbles rather than bike-specific. 
 
 I would prefer to take an SLR + 2 or 3 lenses, and I've done that on a few 
 occasions, but it is more difficult. The last time I did this I strapped a 
 Domke F5-XB camera bag 
 (http://www.domkebags.co.uk/shop-online/f-5xb-medium-shoulder-belt-bag/ ) to 
 the handlebars. This has the makings of a perfect camera/bike bag, but it has 
 some serious shortcomings. First, it is not robust enough to take the wear 
 from rubbing against the head-tube - I wore a hole in the bag in 3 weeks, so 
 it needs some leather or similar patching if it's used like this. Second the 
 way it's strapped to the bar is rather ad hoc, and it caused the bartape to 
 unravel; it also made it difficult to use the horizontal part off the 
 handlebar; finally it was a drag to remove and replace when I left the bike.
 
 I have also used panniers, and just stuffed everything into one of them, but 
 I don't like panniers generally, so I no longer use them. From the photo 
 point of view it was such a pain to get the camera out that I rarely took 
 pictures.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 B
 
 
 
 On 22 Jul 2015, at 16:12, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Looks like I’m going to be on a bike for several days while in Italy. 
 Wondering about carrying a camera, in my case a K5, on a bicycle on a 
 bicycle tour. Especially balancing protecting the camera while underway with 
 accessibility to the camera for taking photos. Suggestions? Special 
 equipment?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: Carrying camera on a bicycle

2015-07-23 Thread Mark Roberts
Eric Weir wrote:

 On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com 
 wrote:
 
 For my bicycle travels I've used a Tamrac Velocity 7 sling pack.
 Holds a camera and one or two lenses. Fast, easy access. Worked very
 well for me

Thanks, Mark. I picked up a Pentax sling bag during a visit to KEH a 
few months back. I like Larry’s suggestion, but the sling bag might 
work pretty well.

It all depends on how much time you'll be spending walking around off
the bike. The more time you're going to be on foot at various
destinations the better a sling pack/bag will work. If you're going to
me emphasizing the cycling and not venturing far from the bike for
photography, something that mounts on the bike makes more sense.
 
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PESO: On Guard

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
A member of the Chinese People's Armed Police Force (CAPF) stands
guard as Chinese tourists queue up in Tiananmen Square:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18055690size=lg
K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
Comments are invited.

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Re: PESO: On Guard

2015-07-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
Interesting. And perhaps courageous on your part. 

Paul via phone

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 A member of the Chinese People's Armed Police Force (CAPF) stands
 guard as Chinese tourists queue up in Tiananmen Square:
 
 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18055690size=lg
 K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
 Comments are invited.
 
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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I thought that PL stood for polarizing lens.

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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:


 Hi Darren,

 So, the initial PL was for PoLarizer (as Bill suggested)?
 That's weird! But those things happen...

 I am recalling that when I saw PL many years ago, I actually thought it
 could've been for Linear Polarizer but possibly in a different language
 (e.g. French), where the word sequence is reverse (polarisant lin'eaire).


 As for varios markings for Cirular Polarizers, I found that at least two
 companies/brands also used PLD (Quantaray) or P.L.D. (Marumi):
 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/800690332-USE/
 Any idea what that D stands for? And why it is writed with the periods
 (dots?) as an initialism?
 http://www.marumi-filter.co.jp/en/product/02/dhg_s_cpld.php
 (You can see it engraved on the filter.)

 In the letter case, it is funny that they write Circular PL on the
 website.


 Now, my 3 guesses that I mentioned yesterday but didn't write to avoid any
 bias were: lens, light, and luminescence that would be in the scientific
 term circularly polarized luminescence. Obviously, none of these would be
 correct in CPL filter.

 Igor



  Darren Addy Thu, 23 Jul 2015 04:44:15 -0700 wrote:

 It isn't an acronym. PL was originally the abbreviation printed on
 linear polarizers from almost all manufacturers. When circular
 polarizers came into being (and were necessary to avoid exposure and
 focus problems with modern cameras that use semi-silvered mirrors or
 prisms to split the light entering the viewfinder in order to
 calculate exposure and focusing distance) they had to be
 differentiated in some way. You will see them called CPL, PL-CIR, and
 PL-C (perhaps others) by various manufacturers.

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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Igor PDML-StR



Hi Darren,

So, the initial PL was for PoLarizer (as Bill suggested)?
That's weird! But those things happen...

I am recalling that when I saw PL many years ago, I actually thought it 
could've been for Linear Polarizer but possibly in a different language 
(e.g. French), where the word sequence is reverse (polarisant lin'eaire).



As for varios markings for Cirular Polarizers, I found that at least two 
companies/brands also used PLD (Quantaray) or P.L.D. (Marumi):

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/800690332-USE/
Any idea what that D stands for? And why it is writed with the periods 
(dots?) as an initialism?

http://www.marumi-filter.co.jp/en/product/02/dhg_s_cpld.php
(You can see it engraved on the filter.)

In the letter case, it is funny that they write Circular PL on the 
website.



Now, my 3 guesses that I mentioned yesterday but didn't write to avoid any 
bias were: lens, light, and luminescence that would be in the scientific 
term circularly polarized luminescence. Obviously, none of these would 
be correct in CPL filter.


Igor



 Darren Addy Thu, 23 Jul 2015 04:44:15 -0700 wrote:

It isn't an acronym. PL was originally the abbreviation printed on
linear polarizers from almost all manufacturers. When circular
polarizers came into being (and were necessary to avoid exposure and
focus problems with modern cameras that use semi-silvered mirrors or
prisms to split the light entering the viewfinder in order to
calculate exposure and focusing distance) they had to be
differentiated in some way. You will see them called CPL, PL-CIR, and
PL-C (perhaps others) by various manufacturers.

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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread P.J. Alling
I think the use of PL by some manufactures goes way back, there was once 
a standardized filter nominclature, that used letters, A for red, K[#] 
for Yellows, G for Deep Yellow.  I don't know all of them, (One often 
sees the letter designation combined with the Wratten number used by 
Kodak, which can be confusing as some Wratten numbers include a trailing 
letter.  So an A filter is a Wratten #25 which is described as red 
tricolor, and might be designated by say Tiffen as an A-25, while, a 
lighter red filter has a Wratten number of 23A.


I always assumed that the the PL designation for a polarizer was used 
because P conflicted with some long forgotten standard letter code for 
a color filter. CPL was just a logical extension from that.  I have no 
idea why some manufactures decided on A for red, K for Yellow or G for a 
specific shade of Deep Yellow, nor could I find a complete listing of 
alternate letter codes for different photographic color filters, so this 
is just speculation on my part.


It does make sense in a way.  Polarizing filters were a relatively late 
addition to the photographic arsenal using them on non SLR cameras was 
tricky, some of the Rube Goldberg solutions to using them with 
rangefinder equipped cameras look fragile at best, and the Graflex style 
reflex cameras viewing screens were already so dim that focusing and 
composing with a polarizer in front of the lens seems impractical.  So 
it seems that P might have been used for some color.


On 7/23/2015 10:32 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Hi Darren,

So, the initial PL was for PoLarizer (as Bill suggested)?
That's weird! But those things happen...

I am recalling that when I saw PL many years ago, I actually thought 
it could've been for Linear Polarizer but possibly in a different 
language (e.g. French), where the word sequence is reverse (polarisant 
lin'eaire).



As for varios markings for Cirular Polarizers, I found that at least 
two companies/brands also used PLD (Quantaray) or P.L.D. (Marumi):

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/800690332-USE/
Any idea what that D stands for? And why it is writed with the 
periods (dots?) as an initialism?

http://www.marumi-filter.co.jp/en/product/02/dhg_s_cpld.php
(You can see it engraved on the filter.)

In the letter case, it is funny that they write Circular PL on the 
website.



Now, my 3 guesses that I mentioned yesterday but didn't write to avoid 
any bias were: lens, light, and luminescence that would be in the 
scientific term circularly polarized luminescence. Obviously, none 
of these would be correct in CPL filter.


Igor



 Darren Addy Thu, 23 Jul 2015 04:44:15 -0700 wrote:

It isn't an acronym. PL was originally the abbreviation printed on
linear polarizers from almost all manufacturers. When circular
polarizers came into being (and were necessary to avoid exposure and
focus problems with modern cameras that use semi-silvered mirrors or
prisms to split the light entering the viewfinder in order to
calculate exposure and focusing distance) they had to be
differentiated in some way. You will see them called CPL, PL-CIR, and
PL-C (perhaps others) by various manufacturers.




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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I understand that Igor.  Despite what evidences of ignorance I may
post here, I do know the difference between a lens and a filter.

I had assumed that the terminology originated when it was first
applied to a lens that had the polarizing built into the lens itself,
and that was later replaced by a filter that could be uses on any lens
of an appropriate diameter.

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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:

 Dan,

 And I assume you know why that would be incorrect usage?
 Because (hopefully!) no lensing occurs in a filter (which is supposed to
 have flat, plane-parallel surfaces).

 Cheers,

 Igor



  Daniel J. Matyola Thu, 23 Jul 2015 07:36:01 -0700 wrote:

 I thought that PL stood for polarizing lens.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola



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 ...


 Now, my 3 guesses that I mentioned yesterday but didn't write to avoid any
 bias were: lens, light, and luminescence that would be in the scientific
 term circularly polarized luminescence. Obviously, none of these would
 be
 correct in CPL filter.

 Igor


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Re: PESO: On Guard

2015-07-23 Thread Knarf
Quite chilling. 26 years ago you wouldn't have been taking that picture. 

One nit: I wish his feet weren't cut off. But maybe you didn't want to spend a 
lot of time composing? Wouldn't blame you...

Cheers,

frank

On 23 July, 2015 10:46:59 AM EDT, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
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A member of the Chinese People's Armed Police Force (CAPF) stands
guard as Chinese tourists queue up in Tiananmen Square:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18055690size=lg
K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
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Re: PESO: On Guard

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Paul and Frank.

I noted that there seemed to be fewer police visible in Beijing than
in Tokyo, but that the ones in Tokyo were quite friendly in posture
and demeanor, while the ones in Beijing were definitely not.  They
were stiff and formal at all times.  Our Beijing guide, Jim, did not
think it would be a problem to include the police or military in an
image of the square, but implied in the way he said it that it
probably was not a good idea to take an image of a policeman or
military guard as such.  I did include them in a few images, but never
really pointed directly at one, nor did I take an image while one was
looking at me.   In this instance, I think I was panning on the woman
with the blue umbrella, and snapped the image while the policeman was
in the frame.
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Paul Stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Interesting. And perhaps courageous on your part.

 Paul via phone

 On Jul 23, 2015, at 10:46 AM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

 A member of the Chinese People's Armed Police Force (CAPF) stands
 guard as Chinese tourists queue up in Tiananmen Square:

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18055690size=lg
 K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
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Re: PESO - Paddington Street Gardens

2015-07-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
~typically~ Rick, Really?!?
Your trying to build favor with Bob-W and Cotty.
Only 33 percent sunshine in London...60+ percent in Chicago.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 London is full of small beautiful parks, including this one--peaceful morning 
 and afternoon, and bustling at lunchtime on a ~typically~ lovely English 
 mid-day.

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18049363size=lg

 (K-5, DA 16-45)

 Comments appreciated.

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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Dan,

And I assume you know why that would be incorrect usage?
Because (hopefully!) no lensing occurs in a filter (which is supposed 
to have flat, plane-parallel surfaces).


Cheers,

Igor



 Daniel J. Matyola Thu, 23 Jul 2015 07:36:01 -0700 wrote:

I thought that PL stood for polarizing lens.

Dan Matyola
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

...



Now, my 3 guesses that I mentioned yesterday but didn't write to avoid any
bias were: lens, light, and luminescence that would be in the scientific
term circularly polarized luminescence. Obviously, none of these would be
correct in CPL filter.

Igor



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Re: PESO - The Final Grebe Shot

2015-07-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Nice shot Frank.
I like the composition, the posture of the birds, and the wake they made.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 Okay, not the last ~ever~ but the last from Sunday's shoot. I think
 this is my favourite because it's earlier, before the skies got really
 dark - the aperture was a bit smaller so both grebes are fairly well
 focused (by my standards, anyway):

 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/the-final-grebe-shot.html

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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread Igor PDML-StR



PJ,

Thank you for that interesting idea. It sounds as a very possible 
scenario.


Igor


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I think the use of PL by some manufactures goes way back, there was once a 
standardized filter nominclature, that used letters, A for red, K[#] for 
Yellows, G for Deep Yellow.



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Re: OT: First Adult Bike

2015-07-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
Paul,
I'm sure the years are fleeting, but very precious...worth all the difficulties.
You and your wife, your daughter, and Gracie will remember the the time forever.
You get extra Mensch points.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
 Thanks Godfrey. It will be ten years next month since she came to live with 
 us. The years are fleeting.

 Paul via phone

 On Jul 22, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote:

 Gracie has certainly grown up a lot since I first saw a picture of her, 
 what, almost a decade ago now! Nice bike, a pretty young lady ... A photo to 
 treasure regardless of how awful it might be.

 I hope she enjoys the heck out of it. :-)

 Godfrey


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 Gracie has her first adult bike. I bought her a 2014 Giant Tempt 5, which 
 was new but somewhat reduced since it’s last year’s model. Seems to work 
 great. It has 27.5 wheels but an Adult Small frame. Went to a good bike 
 shop nearby, and they measured her and had her test drive some bikes. This 
 one seems to be excellent. Was surprised to learn it’s American made, or at 
 least marketed by a U.S. company. (I’m often skeptical of “American made” 
 claims.)

 Here’s a truly awful phone pic in bad light with Grace squinting:-)

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Re: PESO - The Final Grebe Shot

2015-07-23 Thread Paul Stenquist
What Dan said. Excellent!

Paul via phone

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 Nice sense of movement imparted by the wake.
 Strong composition and interesting poses.
 
 
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 Okay, not the last ~ever~ but the last from Sunday's shoot. I think
 this is my favourite because it's earlier, before the skies got really
 dark - the aperture was a bit smaller so both grebes are fairly well
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 http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2015/07/the-final-grebe-shot.html
 
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Re: PESO - The Final Grebe Shot

2015-07-23 Thread Toralf Lund

On 23/07/15 04:03, frank theriault wrote:

Okay, not the last ~ever~ but the last from Sunday's shoot. I think
this is my favourite because it's earlier, before the skies got really
dark - the aperture was a bit smaller so both grebes are fairly well
focused (by my standards, anyway):
I didn't look at the others, I must admit, but I like this one. 
Especially the colour/reflections in the water.


- Toralf




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Re: PESO: On Guard

2015-07-23 Thread John

I expect that by now, they're about as blasé about being photographed as
the Palace Guards in London.

On 7/23/2015 10:59 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Interesting. And perhaps courageous on your part.

Paul via phone


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A member of the Chinese People's Armed Police Force (CAPF) stands
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http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18055690size=lg
K-5 II S, DA 18-135 zoom
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Re: PESO: On Guard

2015-07-23 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:51 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 I expect that by now, they're about as blasé about being photographed as
 the Palace Guards in London.

They did not appear blasé about anything, and there were no Chinese
tourists taking photos of the police or soldiers.


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Re: PESO - Se på koret

2015-07-23 Thread David J Brooks
works for me

Dave

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 A couple of months ago, I came across this choir singing in the street. As
 usual, I found the spectators more interesting than the performers:

 http://se.toralf.net/post/124734050808/kor

 Shot on Ektar 100 film. Shameless praise is welcome, as always. Oh, and
 other comments, too :-)

 I have certain doubts about the focus, or lack thereof, myself - but *maybe*
 it works...

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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread John

... and why do people park their cars in driveways  drive them on parkways?

On 7/23/2015 12:24 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:

speaking of obscure language questions...

As my sons were growing up, we wondered what happened to Frigerators.
We knew about re-frigerators, but where were the originals?
A big landfill somewhere?
When the milk gets warm and you put it back in the refrigerator, whats
happening?
You replacing the original frigeration it had before breakfast?

And Be'Jesus.
If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?
How is it replenished?
How do you know if you have enough?

Regards,  Bob S.


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I know that there are quite a few language and grammar geeks among PDMLers.
That's why I thought I'd share this linguistic question that
got me puzzled.

I see that almost everybody who is talking about Circular Polarizers uses an
abbreviation CPL, either as a noun or adjective (e.g. CPL filter). The
curious part is that none of the online photography articles and reviews
that talks about CPL bothers to deabbreviate it.
(Just as a reference, all scientific journals where I've published my
articles require to define any abbreviation before using it for the first
time, even for those that are common in the field.)

So, my question is What does the `L' in CPL stand for?
I have 3 versions of what it might be (or what photographers who use that
abbreviation might mean), including a standard one that is typically used in
optical methods in physics, chemistry and related areas of science. None of
those 3 would be strictly speaking correct.
So, I am suspecting that I might be missing something more obvious.

So, what does the `L' in CPL stand for?

Thank you,

Igor


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Re: PESO: On Guard

2015-07-23 Thread John

How often do English tourists photograph the Palace Guards in London?


On 7/23/2015 1:04 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:51 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:

I expect that by now, they're about as blasé about being photographed as
the Palace Guards in London.


They did not appear blasé about anything, and there were no Chinese
tourists taking photos of the police or soldiers.


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Re: PESO - Paddington Street Gardens

2015-07-23 Thread Rick Womer
Bob S: I've spent about 2 years living in the UK, so have enjoyed a
bit of it's weather.

Just jerking Chris M's chain, or feeding his delusions (not sure of
the state of his reality testing).

Rick
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:20 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
 It's always sunny in Southern Britain - you have to go North, where Mike
 Wilson lives, if you want to be miserable. It rains far more in Chicago than
 it does here, and is much more extreme weatherwise.

 Your trying to build favor with Bob-W and Cotty.

 That might work with Chris M, but it's useless with me and Cotty. Bribery
 and cheap women who are not too fussy, that's what works if you want to
 curry favour with us.

 B

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan

 ~typically~ Rick, Really?!?
 Your trying to build favor with Bob-W and Cotty.
 Only 33 percent sunshine in London...60+ percent in Chicago.
 Regards,  Bob S.

 On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
  London is full of small beautiful parks, including this one--peaceful
 morning
 and afternoon, and bustling at lunchtime on a ~typically~ lovely English
 mid-
 day.
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18049363size=lg
 
  (K-5, DA 16-45)
 
  Comments appreciated.
 
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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread John

On 7/23/2015 1:06 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bob Sullivan wrote:


speaking of obscure language questions...

As my sons were growing up, we wondered what happened to Frigerators.
We knew about re-frigerators, but where were the originals?
A big landfill somewhere?
When the milk gets warm and you put it back in the refrigerator, whats
happening?
You replacing the original frigeration it had before breakfast?

And Be'Jesus.
If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?
How is it replenished?
How do you know if you have enough?


Hmm. You sound a bit gruntled (the opposite of disgruntled).
But don't worry about me. I'm off to find the ineffable and determine
if it can, in fact, be effed.




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Re: PESO - Nicolas

2015-07-23 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks Bob. An illuminating post about an illuminating post.

Rick

On Jul 23, 2015, at 1:12 AM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

 On 23 Jul 2015, at 05:55, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote:
 
 On 22 July 2015 at 05:22, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote:
 Look at the size of the chain used to lock the bike to the lamp-post!
 
 The chain is there to prevent the lamp-post from being stolen.
 Chris
 
 
 There's been a spate of lamppost thefts recently. When the police were asked 
 who was responsible they replied we're completely in the dark, but we're not 
 making light of it.
 
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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread Darren Addy
And, as Steven Wright famously asked, Does anybody have another word
for thesaurus?.

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Another Pentax Lens De-Flowered

2015-07-23 Thread Steve Cottrell
Some minor surgery the other day to the wonderful SMC 17/4 fisheye,
converting it for use as a cine prime - more in a moment.

Some may know that I had previously done the same with my A*85/1.4 last
year: removed the detent balls and springs from the aperture ring to
allow smooth and continuous aperture change while shooting video. It is
very effective and the images from it onto the Canon C100 super-35
sensor are luscious beyond dreams. The super 35 sensor size is smaller
than 'full-frame' (36X24mm) and only a tad larger than APS-C...

see chart:

http://cvp.com/images/uploaded/sensor_table.gif

...so fields of view are similar to Pentax DSLR territory, which means
shooting wider angles are more of a challenge. For wide zoom work - for
instance when filming groups of people at close quarters - needing wide
shots and closer detail at will, I have been using the Canon EF17-40/4.
The problem with that lens is that the aperture is controlled via a
click-wheel on the camera body, and when performing a move (say) from
bright to dark and needing to adjust aperture ('pull stop') dynamically
during the shot, the aperture steps are visible - even when the camera
is set at 1/3 increment control - and so not acceptable.

To get round this I'll be sourcing a copy of the only decent wide zoom
lens on the market with an aperture ring - the Nikkor AF-S 17-35/2.8 and
then having it doctored, literally, by a company that specialises in
transforming still lenses for cine use;

http://www.thelensdoctor.co.uk/page6.html

They'll remove the clicks from the aperture ring  and dampen it to avoid
inadvertent movement. The Nikkor is a bit more involved than the old MF
Pentax lenses, so it's worth doing properly. Why? Because the cine
alternatives are cost-prohibitive for my needs. That's further down the line.

Meanwhile I remembered the 17/4 sitting in a drawer and thought it would
be fun to convert it for cine use. An hour removing the aperture clicks
and a bit of jiggery-pokery re-situating the return spring and fitting
an EF mount (sourced from the few I had specially made about 15 years
ago when i first modified some lenses to Canon use) and hey presto.
Early tests with it are fantastic - love the barrel distortion this lens
offers and the field of view works really well on the C100. Will come in
very useful for in-your-face wide shots in music sequences etc.

I'm working on some video I shot while sailing in the Baltic earlier in
the summer where I used the 85/1.4 so when that's completed I'll post a
link to view. Will hopefully get a chance to use the 17/4 in anger soon,
watch this space.

Hope all are well, am dipping in on the list sporadically and often.
Very little stills photography going on at the moment sadly!

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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Featherstone
On 23 July 2015 at 20:09, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 And, as Steven Wright famously asked, Does anybody have another word
 for thesaurus?.

synonymy

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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread Bob W-PDML
My dictionary, lexicon, wordbook, wordfinder, vocabulary, synonymy, 
encyclopaedia, storehouse, repository, treasury does...

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[Chambers Thesaurus (iOS) © Chambers Harrap Publishers Ltd.]

 On 23 Jul 2015, at 20:09, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 And, as Steven Wright famously asked, Does anybody have another word
 for thesaurus?.
 
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RE: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread Igor PDML-StR



The same as redact is not to dact again, and reduce is not to make 
someone a duce once more.


:-)

Igor


Bob W Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:41:39 -0700 wrote:

Call me boring, but I know the answer to that. The re in refrigerate does
not imply that is being made cold again. In the Latin it just implies a
change of state, from warm to cold.


Interestingly (or not), in French too 're' does not necessarily imply a
repetition but can act to reinforce the root meaning.

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Re: Any wisdom on step-up rings? (and What polarizer) - Thank you!

2015-07-23 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Many thanks to everybody who shared their thoughts and pointers on both 
subjects (polarizers and step-up rings)!

I didn't respond to everybody but carefully read all responses.


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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread David J Brooks
If the professor on Gilligan's Island make a radio out of a coconut,
why can't he fix a hole in a boat?

Dave

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
 speaking of obscure language questions...

 As my sons were growing up, we wondered what happened to Frigerators.
 We knew about re-frigerators, but where were the originals?
 A big landfill somewhere?
 When the milk gets warm and you put it back in the refrigerator, whats
 happening?
 You replacing the original frigeration it had before breakfast?

 And Be'Jesus.
 If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?
 How is it replenished?
 How do you know if you have enough?

 Regards,  Bob S.


 On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:

 I know that there are quite a few language and grammar geeks among PDMLers.
 That's why I thought I'd share this linguistic question that
 got me puzzled.

 I see that almost everybody who is talking about Circular Polarizers uses an
 abbreviation CPL, either as a noun or adjective (e.g. CPL filter). The
 curious part is that none of the online photography articles and reviews
 that talks about CPL bothers to deabbreviate it.
 (Just as a reference, all scientific journals where I've published my
 articles require to define any abbreviation before using it for the first
 time, even for those that are common in the field.)

 So, my question is What does the `L' in CPL stand for?
 I have 3 versions of what it might be (or what photographers who use that
 abbreviation might mean), including a standard one that is typically used in
 optical methods in physics, chemistry and related areas of science. None of
 those 3 would be strictly speaking correct.
 So, I am suspecting that I might be missing something more obvious.

 So, what does the `L' in CPL stand for?

 Thank you,

 Igor


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Re: PESO - Se på koret

2015-07-23 Thread Toralf Lund

On 23/07/15 18:23, David J Brooks wrote:

works for me


Good to hear. Thanks.

- Toralf


Dave

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 5:48 AM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:

A couple of months ago, I came across this choir singing in the street. As
usual, I found the spectators more interesting than the performers:

http://se.toralf.net/post/124734050808/kor

Shot on Ektar 100 film. Shameless praise is welcome, as always. Oh, and
other comments, too :-)

I have certain doubts about the focus, or lack thereof, myself - but *maybe*
it works...

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Re: PESO - Paddington Street Gardens

2015-07-23 Thread David J Brooks
lovely spot

Dave

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 London is full of small beautiful parks, including this one--peaceful morning 
 and afternoon, and bustling at lunchtime on a ~typically~ lovely English 
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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18049363size=lg

 (K-5, DA 16-45)

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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 23 Jul 2015, at 18:21, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote:
 
 On 7/23/2015 1:06 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 Bob Sullivan wrote:
 
 speaking of obscure language questions...
 
 As my sons were growing up, we wondered what happened to Frigerators.
 We knew about re-frigerators, but where were the originals?
 A big landfill somewhere?
 When the milk gets warm and you put it back in the refrigerator, whats
 happening?
 You replacing the original frigeration it had before breakfast?
 
 And Be'Jesus.
 If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?
 How is it replenished?
 How do you know if you have enough?
 
 Hmm. You sound a bit gruntled (the opposite of disgruntled).
 But don't worry about me. I'm off to find the ineffable and determine
 if it can, in fact, be effed.
 
 
 
 Yeah, EFF 'em all!
 

The vicar of Fetcham and Effingham [*]
Scratches his balls as he's blessing 'em
And when they're quite knackered
He has them re-lacquered
By six Chinese girls while he's effing 'em

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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread P.J. Alling

On 7/23/2015 1:06 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bob Sullivan wrote:


speaking of obscure language questions...

As my sons were growing up, we wondered what happened to Frigerators.
We knew about re-frigerators, but where were the originals?
A big landfill somewhere?
When the milk gets warm and you put it back in the refrigerator, whats
happening?
You replacing the original frigeration it had before breakfast?

And Be'Jesus.
If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?
How is it replenished?
How do you know if you have enough?

Hmm. You sound a bit gruntled (the opposite of disgruntled).
But don't worry about me. I'm off to find the ineffable and determine
if it can, in fact, be effed.
  


That brings up a story, best left unsaid.

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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread Mark Roberts
John wrote:

... and why do people park their cars in driveways  drive them on parkways?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/410/why-do-we-drive-on-the-parkway-and-park-on-the-driveway
 
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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread Igor PDML-StR



Maybe because a driveway is a way to the drive, while a parkway is a way 
to the park? ;-)



John Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:18:54 -0700 wrote:

... and why do people park their cars in driveways  drive them on 
parkways?




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Re: PESO - Se på koret

2015-07-23 Thread Toralf Lund

On 23/07/15 12:31, Knarf wrote:

I think it works.

Good :-)


  Lots of red. Kind of pulls it together somehow.


It was definitely the red that caught my eye at the time. Especially the 
balloons.



Thank you,

- Toralf



Cheers,

frank

On 22 July, 2015 5:48:20 AM EDT, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:

A couple of months ago, I came across this choir singing in the street.

As usual, I found the spectators more interesting than the performers:

http://se.toralf.net/post/124734050808/kor

Shot on Ektar 100 film. Shameless praise is welcome, as always. Oh, and

other comments, too :-)

I have certain doubts about the focus, or lack thereof, myself - but
*maybe* it works...

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RE: PESO - Paddington Street Gardens

2015-07-23 Thread Bob W
It's always sunny in Southern Britain - you have to go North, where Mike
Wilson lives, if you want to be miserable. It rains far more in Chicago than
it does here, and is much more extreme weatherwise. 

 Your trying to build favor with Bob-W and Cotty.

That might work with Chris M, but it's useless with me and Cotty. Bribery
and cheap women who are not too fussy, that's what works if you want to
curry favour with us.

B

 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan
 
 ~typically~ Rick, Really?!?
 Your trying to build favor with Bob-W and Cotty.
 Only 33 percent sunshine in London...60+ percent in Chicago.
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Rick Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
  London is full of small beautiful parks, including this one--peaceful
morning
 and afternoon, and bustling at lunchtime on a ~typically~ lovely English
mid-
 day.
 
  http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18049363size=lg
 
  (K-5, DA 16-45)
 
  Comments appreciated.
 
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Re: OT: First Adult Bike

2015-07-23 Thread David J Brooks
nice bike,

Dave

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 Gracie has her first adult bike. I bought her a 2014 Giant Tempt 5, which was 
 new but somewhat reduced since it’s last year’s model. Seems to work great. 
 It has 27.5 wheels but an Adult Small frame. Went to a good bike shop nearby, 
 and they measured her and had her test drive some bikes. This one seems to be 
 excellent. Was surprised to learn it’s American made, or at least marketed by 
 a U.S. company. (I’m often skeptical of “American made” claims.)

 Here’s a truly awful phone pic in bad light with Grace squinting:-)

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OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread Bob Sullivan
speaking of obscure language questions...

As my sons were growing up, we wondered what happened to Frigerators.
We knew about re-frigerators, but where were the originals?
A big landfill somewhere?
When the milk gets warm and you put it back in the refrigerator, whats
happening?
You replacing the original frigeration it had before breakfast?

And Be'Jesus.
If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?
How is it replenished?
How do you know if you have enough?

Regards,  Bob S.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org wrote:

 I know that there are quite a few language and grammar geeks among PDMLers.
 That's why I thought I'd share this linguistic question that
 got me puzzled.

 I see that almost everybody who is talking about Circular Polarizers uses an
 abbreviation CPL, either as a noun or adjective (e.g. CPL filter). The
 curious part is that none of the online photography articles and reviews
 that talks about CPL bothers to deabbreviate it.
 (Just as a reference, all scientific journals where I've published my
 articles require to define any abbreviation before using it for the first
 time, even for those that are common in the field.)

 So, my question is What does the `L' in CPL stand for?
 I have 3 versions of what it might be (or what photographers who use that
 abbreviation might mean), including a standard one that is typically used in
 optical methods in physics, chemistry and related areas of science. None of
 those 3 would be strictly speaking correct.
 So, I am suspecting that I might be missing something more obvious.

 So, what does the `L' in CPL stand for?

 Thank you,

 Igor


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RE: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread Bob W
Call me boring, but I know the answer to that. The re in refrigerate does
not imply that is being made cold again. In the Latin it just implies a
change of state, from warm to cold. 

Interestingly (or not), in French too 're' does not necessarily imply a
repetition but can act to reinforce the root meaning.

 If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?

It doesn't go anywhere, it just becomes Was'Jesus.

 How is it replenished?

you find someone nice to Be'Jazzle you

 How do you know if you have enough?

Your cup runneth over

B

 -Original Message-
 From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob Sullivan
 Sent: 23 July 2015 17:25
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Subject: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)
 
 speaking of obscure language questions...
 
 As my sons were growing up, we wondered what happened to Frigerators.
 We knew about re-frigerators, but where were the originals?
 A big landfill somewhere?
 When the milk gets warm and you put it back in the refrigerator, whats
 happening?
 You replacing the original frigeration it had before breakfast?
 
 And Be'Jesus.
 If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?
 How is it replenished?
 How do you know if you have enough?
 
 Regards,  Bob S.
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Igor PDML-StR pdml...@komkon.org
 wrote:
 
  I know that there are quite a few language and grammar geeks among
 PDMLers.
  That's why I thought I'd share this linguistic question that got me
  puzzled.
 
  I see that almost everybody who is talking about Circular Polarizers
  uses an abbreviation CPL, either as a noun or adjective (e.g. CPL
  filter). The curious part is that none of the online photography
  articles and reviews that talks about CPL bothers to deabbreviate it.
  (Just as a reference, all scientific journals where I've published my
  articles require to define any abbreviation before using it for the
  first time, even for those that are common in the field.)
 
  So, my question is What does the `L' in CPL stand for?
  I have 3 versions of what it might be (or what photographers who use
  that abbreviation might mean), including a standard one that is
  typically used in optical methods in physics, chemistry and related
  areas of science. None of those 3 would be strictly speaking correct.
  So, I am suspecting that I might be missing something more obvious.
 
  So, what does the `L' in CPL stand for?
 
  Thank you,
 
  Igor
 
 
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Re: What's in the name?

2015-07-23 Thread John

I've seen it abreviated as C-Pl, and that's the form I try to remember
to use. My best guess is it's C for Circular and Pl for PoLarizer.

On 7/22/2015 10:27 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


I know that there are quite a few language and grammar geeks among
PDMLers. That's why I thought I'd share this linguistic question that
got me puzzled.

I see that almost everybody who is talking about Circular Polarizers
uses an abbreviation CPL, either as a noun or adjective (e.g. CPL
filter). The curious part is that none of the online photography
articles and reviews that talks about CPL bothers to deabbreviate it.
(Just as a reference, all scientific journals where I've published my
articles require to define any abbreviation before using it for the
first time, even for those that are common in the field.)

So, my question is What does the `L' in CPL stand for?
I have 3 versions of what it might be (or what photographers who use
that abbreviation might mean), including a standard one that is
typically used in optical methods in physics, chemistry and related
areas of science. None of those 3 would be strictly speaking correct.
So, I am suspecting that I might be missing something more obvious.

So, what does the `L' in CPL stand for?

Thank you,

Igor




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Re: OT: Obscure Questions (was What's in the name?)

2015-07-23 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Sullivan wrote:

speaking of obscure language questions...

As my sons were growing up, we wondered what happened to Frigerators.
We knew about re-frigerators, but where were the originals?
A big landfill somewhere?
When the milk gets warm and you put it back in the refrigerator, whats
happening?
You replacing the original frigeration it had before breakfast?

And Be'Jesus.
If you can scare the Be'Jesus out of somebody, where does it go?
How is it replenished?
How do you know if you have enough?

Hmm. You sound a bit gruntled (the opposite of disgruntled). 
But don't worry about me. I'm off to find the ineffable and determine
if it can, in fact, be effed.
 
-- 
Mark Roberts - Photography  Multimedia
www.robertstech.com





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Re: PESO - Se på koret

2015-07-23 Thread Knarf
I think it works. Lots of red. Kind of pulls it together somehow.

Cheers,

frank

On 22 July, 2015 5:48:20 AM EDT, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:
A couple of months ago, I came across this choir singing in the street.

As usual, I found the spectators more interesting than the performers:

http://se.toralf.net/post/124734050808/kor

Shot on Ektar 100 film. Shameless praise is welcome, as always. Oh, and

other comments, too :-)

I have certain doubts about the focus, or lack thereof, myself - but 
*maybe* it works...

- Toralf

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Re: PESO - Se på koret

2015-07-23 Thread Jack Davis
What Frank said!

J

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 On Jul 23, 2015, at 3:31 AM, Knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think it works. Lots of red. Kind of pulls it together somehow.
 
 Cheers,
 
 frank
 
 On 22 July, 2015 5:48:20 AM EDT, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote:
 A couple of months ago, I came across this choir singing in the street.
 
 As usual, I found the spectators more interesting than the performers:
 
 http://se.toralf.net/post/124734050808/kor
 
 Shot on Ektar 100 film. Shameless praise is welcome, as always. Oh, and
 
 other comments, too :-)
 
 I have certain doubts about the focus, or lack thereof, myself - but 
 *maybe* it works...
 
 - Toralf
 
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