date:20160519


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A MARK if I've ever heard one 

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Bill" 

Subject: Re: OT: Telemarketers



On 5/19/2016 8:38 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2016-05-19 15:26 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular
one.


this is Windows Technical Support, we have detected some problems with
your computer …

i have had this one probably 50 times in the last five years; it is my
mission to get one of them to admit that they are ashamed that they scam
people for a living; the closest i have gotten is cuss words in polite
Indian/Pakistani English




I got one of those at work once. I didn't have time to play with him so I 
picked up the emergency horn and gave him a blast with it.


I'm not always the nice person that I appear to be on this mailing list.



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Re: OT: Telemarketers


On 5/19/2016 10:38 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2016-05-19 15:26 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular
one.


this is Windows Technical Support, we have detected some problems with
your computer …

i have had this one probably 50 times in the last five years; it is my
mission to get one of them to admit that they are ashamed that they scam
people for a living; the closest i have gotten is cuss words in polite
Indian/Pakistani English




I've had that one a few times. I tell them I can't understand their
accent and ask if I can speak to someone in the United States.


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Re: OT: Telemarketers


On 5/19/2016 10:33 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Wow never heard of these scams before. Cheers, Christine



I've gotten the IRS scam call. It's not even a real person, just a bunch
of phrases strung together by a computer with pauses in wrong places and
a demand that you call a certain phone number. But I get the same damn
call again and again and again. I've had it come in as many as 10 times
a day (based on the snippets of it on my answering machine).

I just delete those messages from the answering machine. If the IRS
really wants to get in touch with you, they'll send you a letter by
certified mail telling you when and where to appear for the audit.

I'm getting "final expenses insurance", Medicare supplements &
prescription plans. Multiple calls per day with the same robot on the
other end.

There's two ways to deal with them - either don't say anything after you
pick up so the robot gets confused & disconnects or you can answer the
qualifying question (Are you over 65?) with "No" in hopes the logic tree
it's using will somehow decide you're not a good prospect. Neither one
seems to work.

If there was some program that would allow me to take control of the
computer on the other end of the robo-call so I could nuke it, I'd be
interested.

I'll probably take a close look at one of those call blocking devices.
Is there one that I can program with the numbers I want to allow through
that will block everything else?


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Re: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday

I always aim to please, Ann !


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>From: ann sanfedele 
>Subject: Re: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday
>
>Which is what I called the file at first! then changed it to 
>"turnoffstyle" but decided not to title so you guys could have fun :-)
>
>thanks , Ken!
>
>ann
>
>
>On 5/19/2016 7:54 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
>> Well seen (Scene)
>>
>> A suggested titled - 'TurnStyle'
>>
>> Kenneth Waller
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwallerWell seen !
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" 
>> Subject: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday
>>
>>
>>> As seen in the Union Square subway station
>>>
>>> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-2gnz5Wx/XL
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> ann



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Re: PESO 2016 - 091, 092 - GDG

2016-05-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

Thank you all for enjoying my madness. :-)
I shot two more packs of film today. It's so much fun! … This little camera is 
going to cost me a fortune. :-|

G

> On May 19, 2016, at 7:40 PM, Christine Aguila  wrote:
> 
> Very playful, Godfrey. Cheers, Christine 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 19, 2016, at 2:40 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought it was an alien invasion
>> 
>> do I need a smiley here?
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/19/2016 2:15 PM, John wrote:
>>> You need the little board with numbers & stuff to hold up under your chin. 
>>> 8-D
>>> 

>>> On May 19, 2016, at 8:39 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OMG it's hideous!
>>> 
>>> The first one reminds me of Piss Christ. Both very interesting and 
>>> imaginative. Carry on, Godfrey!
>>> 
 On 5/19/2016 9:29 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
 Experimenting with the Impossible I-1 and Yellow Duochrome film...
 
 https://flic.kr/p/Gocj57
 https://flic.kr/p/GociiN
 
 We apologize for the model, but you work with what you have at hand. :-)


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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Philip Northeast


Mark!


 "I'm not always the nice person that I appear to be on this mailing list"


Philip Northeast

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On 20/05/2016 12:46 PM, Bill wrote:

On 5/19/2016 8:38 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2016-05-19 15:26 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular
one.


this is Windows Technical Support, we have detected some problems with
your computer …

i have had this one probably 50 times in the last five years; it is my
mission to get one of them to admit that they are ashamed that they scam
people for a living; the closest i have gotten is cuss words in polite
Indian/Pakistani English




I got one of those at work once. I didn't have time to play with him so
I picked up the emergency horn and gave him a blast with it.

I'm not always the nice person that I appear to be on this mailing list.




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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Bill


On 5/19/2016 8:38 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2016-05-19 15:26 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular
one.


this is Windows Technical Support, we have detected some problems with
your computer …

i have had this one probably 50 times in the last five years; it is my
mission to get one of them to admit that they are ashamed that they scam
people for a living; the closest i have gotten is cuss words in polite
Indian/Pakistani English




I got one of those at work once. I didn't have time to play with him so 
I picked up the emergency horn and gave him a blast with it.


I'm not always the nice person that I appear to be on this mailing list.


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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Brian Walters

On Fri, May 20, 2016, at 12:24 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:
> It is a dead give away when they start with "you have a problem with 
> your windows computer"


Yeah - I just tell them I have a Mac (I don't) and they hang up before I
can.  I'm tempted to string them along but most of the time I just can't
be bothered.


Cheers

Brian

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> 
> On 20/05/2016 11:48 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
> >>From what you related I know my wife and I have chuckled at this guy 
> >>several times before hanging up.
> > Pitiful!
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 19, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Mark Roberts  
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular one.
> >>> I've had those calling me a couple of times.
> >>> The last time I asked: on which computer?
> >>> The guy asked: "How many do you have?"
> >>> I: 12
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> A more interesting variation of that is described here:
> >>> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/11/malwarebytes
> >>
> >> Another common scam is the debt collector demanding you pay a
> >> fictitious debt. Somewhere on YouTube there's a hilarious video in
> >> which one of those crooks calls the emergency phone in an elevator!
> >> (Apparently at least some of those emergency calls can accept incoming
> >> calls.) They guy in the elevator keeps trying to explain "you've
> >> called an *elevator* here!" but the Indian scammer isn't having it.
> >>
> >> My own response messages in Phone Tray Free are varied to suit the
> >> scam, but they all begin with me saying "Hello?" in the normal tone of
> >> voice in which I usually answer the phone, followed by a pause. This
> >> gets the phone bank drone on the other end to pick up, thinking he's
> >> got someone on the line (if you don't waste some of their time it just
> >> leaves them free to hit more numbers, one of which might be someone
> >> who could fall for their ploy). For the numbers that belong to the
> >> credit card scammers the "hello" is followed by the DTMF signal for
> >> "1" (because you have to press 1 to get to a live operator). Then
> >> there's a minute or two of a recording of me pretending to be sealing
> >> with a bad connection. Frustrates and annoys them no end :)
> >>
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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Bill


On 5/19/2016 3:26 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular one.



Me: Hello?

Scammer: Hi, this is Microsoft calling, your computer's activity is 
indicating that you have a virus.


Me: (in my best old person voice) Oh my god, what do I need to do to get 
rid of it?


Scammer: lists off a bunch of instructions that I allow him to think I 
am following.


Me, after wasting as much of his time as I can playing the stupid game: 
I don't see the icon I am supposed to click. I was told that when I 
downloaded something it had to say it was compatible with Apple.


Click.



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Re: PESO 2016 - 091, 092 - GDG

Very playful, Godfrey. Cheers, Christine 

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> On May 19, 2016, at 2:40 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I thought it was an alien invasion
> 
> do I need a smiley here?
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 5/19/2016 2:15 PM, John wrote:
>> You need the little board with numbers & stuff to hold up under your chin. 
>> 8-D
>> 
>>> On 5/19/2016 9:29 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>>> Experimenting with the Impossible I-1 and Yellow Duochrome film...
>>> 
>>> https://flic.kr/p/Gocj57
>>> https://flic.kr/p/GociiN
>>> 
>>> We apologize for the model, but you work with what you have at hand. :-)
>>> 
>>> enjoy!
>>> G
>>> 
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Re: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday

It definitely unsettled me , Christine... more than a little. I even 
commented to the transit gal in the ticket booth about it.


ann

On 5/19/2016 10:27 PM, Christine Aguila wrote:

Very well seen, Anne.   But there is something a little unsettling in the 
picture.   Still, really well seen and composed.

Cheers, Christine

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On May 19, 2016, at 6:43 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

As seen in the Union Square subway station

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-2gnz5Wx/XL

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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread steve harley


On 2016-05-19 15:26 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular one.


this is Windows Technical Support, we have detected some problems with your 
computer …


i have had this one probably 50 times in the last five years; it is my 
mission to get one of them to admit that they are ashamed that they scam 
people for a living; the closest i have gotten is cuss words in polite 
Indian/Pakistani English



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Re: PESO: High Cloud

That's pretty, Dave. Gentle elegance. Cheers, Christine 

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> On May 18, 2016, at 8:15 PM, David Mann  wrote:
> 
> One from Feburary.  I was on my way back from walking along the lake shore 
> (Lake Wanaka) when I noticed this cloud that appeared to be towering over the 
> mountains.
> 
> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1017/#peso
> 
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Re: PESO -- ONe of many Egrets.

Such a pretty bird. Good one P. J. Cheers, Christine 

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> 
> Yea, I know another big water bird.
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20loneofmany.html
> 
> Shot on my way home from the dog's latest vet visit.
> 
> Equipment:  Pentax K-5II w/Kalimar MC 500mm Mirror f8.0.
> 
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Re: OT: Telemarketers

Wow never heard of these scams before. Cheers, Christine 

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> On May 19, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> From what you related I know my wife and I have chuckled at this guy several 
> times before hanging up.
> Pitiful!
> J
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 19, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
>> 
>> Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>> 
>>> Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular one.
>>> I've had those calling me a couple of times.
>>> The last time I asked: on which computer?
>>> The guy asked: "How many do you have?"
>>> I: 12
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A more interesting variation of that is described here:
>>> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/11/malwarebytes
>> 
>> Another common scam is the debt collector demanding you pay a
>> fictitious debt. Somewhere on YouTube there's a hilarious video in
>> which one of those crooks calls the emergency phone in an elevator!
>> (Apparently at least some of those emergency calls can accept incoming
>> calls.) They guy in the elevator keeps trying to explain "you've
>> called an *elevator* here!" but the Indian scammer isn't having it.
>> 
>> My own response messages in Phone Tray Free are varied to suit the
>> scam, but they all begin with me saying "Hello?" in the normal tone of
>> voice in which I usually answer the phone, followed by a pause. This
>> gets the phone bank drone on the other end to pick up, thinking he's
>> got someone on the line (if you don't waste some of their time it just
>> leaves them free to hit more numbers, one of which might be someone
>> who could fall for their ploy). For the numbers that belong to the
>> credit card scammers the "hello" is followed by the DTMF signal for
>> "1" (because you have to press 1 to get to a live operator). Then
>> there's a minute or two of a recording of me pretending to be sealing
>> with a bad connection. Frustrates and annoys them no end :)
>> 
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>> www.robertstech.com
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Re: OT: Telemarketers

Same with us. If it's someone with a valid calling purpose, they leave a 
message and we call them back. 

Cheers, Christine 

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> I long ago got over the notion that I needed to be responsive to phone calls. 
> We haven’t answered the phone in years. Well, a few exceptions but hardly 
> ever. When we had Caller ID we would only answer if a known caller. Now we 
> have the phone ringers turned off, don’t even know there is a call until we 
> hear the answer machine attempt to answer. 95% of robocallers, scammers, and 
> fund raisers hang up without leaving a message, without even waiting for our 
> answer to play through. The occasional caller we want to talk to, we either 
> pick up while they are leaving their message or we call them back. I follow 
> pretty much the same routine with my cell phone.
> 
> stan
> 
>> On May 19, 2016, at 3:00 PM, John  wrote:
>> 
>> WTF is going on with telemarketers.
>> 
>> I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call
>> Registry. I signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.
>> 
>> I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.
>> 
>> I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted
>> to talk to.
>> 
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Re: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday

Very well seen, Anne.   But there is something a little unsettling in the 
picture.   Still, really well seen and composed. 

Cheers, Christine 

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> On May 19, 2016, at 6:43 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> As seen in the Union Square subway station
> 
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-2gnz5Wx/XL
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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Philip Northeast

It is a dead give away when they start with "you have a problem with 
your windows computer"


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On 20/05/2016 11:48 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

From what you related I know my wife and I have chuckled at this guy several 
times before hanging up.

Pitiful!
J



Sent from my iPhone


On May 19, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:

Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular one.
I've had those calling me a couple of times.
The last time I asked: on which computer?
The guy asked: "How many do you have?"
I: 12


A more interesting variation of that is described here:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/11/malwarebytes


Another common scam is the debt collector demanding you pay a
fictitious debt. Somewhere on YouTube there's a hilarious video in
which one of those crooks calls the emergency phone in an elevator!
(Apparently at least some of those emergency calls can accept incoming
calls.) They guy in the elevator keeps trying to explain "you've
called an *elevator* here!" but the Indian scammer isn't having it.

My own response messages in Phone Tray Free are varied to suit the
scam, but they all begin with me saying "Hello?" in the normal tone of
voice in which I usually answer the phone, followed by a pause. This
gets the phone bank drone on the other end to pick up, thinking he's
got someone on the line (if you don't waste some of their time it just
leaves them free to hit more numbers, one of which might be someone
who could fall for their ploy). For the numbers that belong to the
credit card scammers the "hello" is followed by the DTMF signal for
"1" (because you have to press 1 to get to a live operator). Then
there's a minute or two of a recording of me pretending to be sealing
with a bad connection. Frustrates and annoys them no end :)

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Re: OT - Michael Reichmann dead at 71

This is sad news. He started a great sites.  Thanks for sharing.Cheers, 
Christine 

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> On May 19, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Kevin Raber: "It is with a very heavy heart that I must share sad news
> with our readers and the rest of the photographic community.  After an
> extended battle with cancer, the Founder of Luminous-Landscape,
> Michael Reichmann, has passed away."
> 
> https://luminous-landscape.com/sad-day-luminous-landscape/
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RE: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Mark Stringer

I set up a MagicJack using the same number I've had for years.  All calls go
to voice mail. Anything important they leave a message. The telemarketers
and scammers never leave a message.  I get an email with the voice message
attached. All other calls are handled on our cell phones.  The house phone
is heavily muted. It can be heard, you can call out but actually we don't
use it at all. Much cheaper than ATT landline.  We've been operating this
way for about 5 years.  I don't answer my cell phone unless I recognize the
caller.  Of course we all have smartphones and that costs a fortune. ATT dsl
costs a fortune as does cable internet. We have ATT dsl for now.  Fiber
optic has not made it to us yet.  

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Subject: OT: Telemarketers

WTF is going on with telemarketers.

I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call Registry. I
signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.

I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.

I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted to
talk to.

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Re: OT: Telemarketers

>From what you related I know my wife and I have chuckled at this guy several 
>times before hanging up.
Pitiful!
J



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> On May 19, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> 
>> Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular one.
>> I've had those calling me a couple of times.
>> The last time I asked: on which computer?
>> The guy asked: "How many do you have?"
>> I: 12
>> 
>> 
>> A more interesting variation of that is described here:
>> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/11/malwarebytes
> 
> Another common scam is the debt collector demanding you pay a
> fictitious debt. Somewhere on YouTube there's a hilarious video in
> which one of those crooks calls the emergency phone in an elevator!
> (Apparently at least some of those emergency calls can accept incoming
> calls.) They guy in the elevator keeps trying to explain "you've
> called an *elevator* here!" but the Indian scammer isn't having it.
> 
> My own response messages in Phone Tray Free are varied to suit the
> scam, but they all begin with me saying "Hello?" in the normal tone of
> voice in which I usually answer the phone, followed by a pause. This
> gets the phone bank drone on the other end to pick up, thinking he's
> got someone on the line (if you don't waste some of their time it just
> leaves them free to hit more numbers, one of which might be someone
> who could fall for their ploy). For the numbers that belong to the
> credit card scammers the "hello" is followed by the DTMF signal for
> "1" (because you have to press 1 to get to a live operator). Then
> there's a minute or two of a recording of me pretending to be sealing
> with a bad connection. Frustrates and annoys them no end :)
> 
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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

In truth I write only relatively benign scripts for car dealers trying to get 
their lease customers to re-up and/or turn in their car early. Much of it is 
email with only a small percentage of telemarketing. It's all commerce, but I 
do miss the days of straightforward walk in negotiations.

Paul via phone

> On May 19, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Yolanda Rowe  wrote:
> 
> My favorite landline accessory is CPR Call Blocker. I loved it so much that
> I gifted one to my father.
> 
> I use Extreme Call Blocker on my cellphone. It's worth purchasing because I
> can block texts as well as nuisance calls without having them go to voice
> mail.
> 
> Yonnie
> 
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bruce Walker 
> wrote:
> 
>> I have a fairly sophisticated anti-telemarketer system running, a
>> legacy from my anti-spam days when I was an enthusiast. (I wouldn't
>> attempt this project now. I only have to maintain it a couple of times
>> a year.)
>> 
>> I'm running Asterisk -- a software PBX -- and I have a SIP device
>> connecting my phone line to my house TCP/IP network. When a call
>> arrives, Asterisk monitors it and forwards the Caller ID to my script.
>> That farms out searches to the net and checks my white and black lists
>> for a match. It also checks the published North American dial plan
>> lists to see if the number is even legitimately registered to a telco.
>> Many are spoofed and are 100% bogus.
>> 
>> If it determines that the caller is a likely telemarketer, it picks up
>> the call and plays a pre-recorded "I'm sorry, the number you have
>> called is not in service" message to the hapless caller.
>> 
>> I manually maintain the blacklist, but I only have to lookup a caller
>> once every few days. The rest are automatically nuked.
>> 
>> After a number of rings it switches into answering-machine mode, and
>> takes the call normally.
>> 
>> We're rarely bothered by tele-spammers.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular
>> one.
>>> I've had those calling me a couple of times.
>>> The last time I asked: on which computer?
>>> The guy asked: "How many do you have?"
>>> I: 12
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A more interesting variation of that is described here:
>>> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/11/malwarebytes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mark pretty much described the situation. "Do not Call" lists help only
>>> against honest telemarketers.
>>> Besides, "The National Do Not Call Registry does not limit calls by
>>> political organizations, charities, or telephone surveyors."
>>> (according to that very registry site:
>>> https://www.donotcall.gov/faq/faqbusiness.aspx )
>>> 
>>> I've found that some numbers (even those that are spoofed) are repeated.
>>> There are some in-line phone attachments (i.e. hardware) that allow you
>> to
>>> maintain large block-lists.
>>> None of them seems to be ideal, but here is what I've found (based on the
>>> review analysis) to be a reasonable candidate:
>> http://www.amazon.com/telemarketer-screener-programming-accidental-protection/dp/B00E914II6
>>> 
>>> I've just found this one that might deserve taking a look if I'd ever
>> decide
>>> to buy one:
>> http://www.amazon.com/telemarketer-screener-programming-accidental-protection/dp/B00E914II6
>> http://www.amazon.com/Tel-Sentry-V2-0-Automatic-Blocking-Election/dp/B00U1PPWDO
>>> 
>>> I am surprised why none of the phone makers has a large enough block
>> list.
>>> (My Panasonic's list has only 20 or 25 numbers. Gee!)
>>> 
>>> Igor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Doug Brewer Thu, 19 May 2016 13:14:48 -0700 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scammer: The factory warranty on your car has run out.
>>> 
>>> Me: Really? That's tragic. Which car?
>>> 
>>> Scammer: Pardon?
>>> 
>>> Me: Which car lost its factory warranty?
>>> 
>>> Scammer: Our records don't show that.
>>> 
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Re: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday


Thanks, Bruce - and see my reply to Ken :-)

ann


On 5/19/2016 8:02 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

I like it, Ann. And I like Ken's suggested title too. :)


On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:

Well seen (Scene)

A suggested titled - 'TurnStyle'

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" 
Subject: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday




As seen in the Union Square subway station


https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-2gnz5Wx/XL

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Re: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday

Which is what I called the file at first! then changed it to 
"turnoffstyle" but decided not to title so you guys could have fun :-)


thanks , Ken!

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On 5/19/2016 7:54 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Well seen (Scene)

A suggested titled - 'TurnStyle'

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwallerWell seen !


- Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" 
Subject: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday



As seen in the Union Square subway station

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Re: OT: Telemarketers

Igor PDML-StR wrote:

>Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular one.
>I've had those calling me a couple of times.
>The last time I asked: on which computer?
>The guy asked: "How many do you have?"
>I: 12
>
>
>A more interesting variation of that is described here:
>http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/11/malwarebytes

Another common scam is the debt collector demanding you pay a
fictitious debt. Somewhere on YouTube there's a hilarious video in
which one of those crooks calls the emergency phone in an elevator!
(Apparently at least some of those emergency calls can accept incoming
calls.) They guy in the elevator keeps trying to explain "you've
called an *elevator* here!" but the Indian scammer isn't having it.

My own response messages in Phone Tray Free are varied to suit the
scam, but they all begin with me saying "Hello?" in the normal tone of
voice in which I usually answer the phone, followed by a pause. This
gets the phone bank drone on the other end to pick up, thinking he's
got someone on the line (if you don't waste some of their time it just
leaves them free to hit more numbers, one of which might be someone
who could fall for their ploy). For the numbers that belong to the
credit card scammers the "hello" is followed by the DTMF signal for
"1" (because you have to press 1 to get to a live operator). Then
there's a minute or two of a recording of me pretending to be sealing
with a bad connection. Frustrates and annoys them no end :)

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Re: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday

I like it, Ann. And I like Ken's suggested title too. :)


On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> Well seen (Scene)
>
> A suggested titled - 'TurnStyle'
>
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwallerWell seen !
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "ann sanfedele" 
> Subject: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday
>
>
>
>> As seen in the Union Square subway station
>>
>>
>> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2016-and-all-that/i-2gnz5Wx/XL
>>
>> ann
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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Yolanda Rowe

My favorite landline accessory is CPR Call Blocker. I loved it so much that
I gifted one to my father.

I use Extreme Call Blocker on my cellphone. It's worth purchasing because I
can block texts as well as nuisance calls without having them go to voice
mail.

Yonnie

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Bruce Walker 
wrote:

> I have a fairly sophisticated anti-telemarketer system running, a
> legacy from my anti-spam days when I was an enthusiast. (I wouldn't
> attempt this project now. I only have to maintain it a couple of times
> a year.)
>
> I'm running Asterisk -- a software PBX -- and I have a SIP device
> connecting my phone line to my house TCP/IP network. When a call
> arrives, Asterisk monitors it and forwards the Caller ID to my script.
> That farms out searches to the net and checks my white and black lists
> for a match. It also checks the published North American dial plan
> lists to see if the number is even legitimately registered to a telco.
> Many are spoofed and are 100% bogus.
>
> If it determines that the caller is a likely telemarketer, it picks up
> the call and plays a pre-recorded "I'm sorry, the number you have
> called is not in service" message to the hapless caller.
>
> I manually maintain the blacklist, but I only have to lookup a caller
> once every few days. The rest are automatically nuked.
>
> After a number of rings it switches into answering-machine mode, and
> takes the call normally.
>
> We're rarely bothered by tele-spammers.
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> >
> > Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular
> one.
> > I've had those calling me a couple of times.
> > The last time I asked: on which computer?
> > The guy asked: "How many do you have?"
> > I: 12
> > 
> >
> > A more interesting variation of that is described here:
> > http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/11/malwarebytes
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark pretty much described the situation. "Do not Call" lists help only
> > against honest telemarketers.
> > Besides, "The National Do Not Call Registry does not limit calls by
> > political organizations, charities, or telephone surveyors."
> > (according to that very registry site:
> > https://www.donotcall.gov/faq/faqbusiness.aspx )
> >
> > I've found that some numbers (even those that are spoofed) are repeated.
> > There are some in-line phone attachments (i.e. hardware) that allow you
> to
> > maintain large block-lists.
> > None of them seems to be ideal, but here is what I've found (based on the
> > review analysis) to be a reasonable candidate:
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/telemarketer-screener-programming-accidental-protection/dp/B00E914II6
> >
> > I've just found this one that might deserve taking a look if I'd ever
> decide
> > to buy one:
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/telemarketer-screener-programming-accidental-protection/dp/B00E914II6
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/Tel-Sentry-V2-0-Automatic-Blocking-Election/dp/B00U1PPWDO
> >
> > I am surprised why none of the phone makers has a large enough block
> list.
> > (My Panasonic's list has only 20 or 25 numbers. Gee!)
> >
> > Igor
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug Brewer Thu, 19 May 2016 13:14:48 -0700 wrote:
> >
> > Scammer: The factory warranty on your car has run out.
> >
> > Me: Really? That's tragic. Which car?
> >
> > Scammer: Pardon?
> >
> > Me: Which car lost its factory warranty?
> >
> > Scammer: Our records don't show that.
> >
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Re: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday


Well seen (Scene)

A suggested titled - 'TurnStyle'

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "ann sanfedele" 

Subject: Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday



As seen in the Union Square subway station

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Peso - Untitled photo from yesterday


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Re: OT: Telemarketers

I have a fairly sophisticated anti-telemarketer system running, a
legacy from my anti-spam days when I was an enthusiast. (I wouldn't
attempt this project now. I only have to maintain it a couple of times
a year.)

I'm running Asterisk -- a software PBX -- and I have a SIP device
connecting my phone line to my house TCP/IP network. When a call
arrives, Asterisk monitors it and forwards the Caller ID to my script.
That farms out searches to the net and checks my white and black lists
for a match. It also checks the published North American dial plan
lists to see if the number is even legitimately registered to a telco.
Many are spoofed and are 100% bogus.

If it determines that the caller is a likely telemarketer, it picks up
the call and plays a pre-recorded "I'm sorry, the number you have
called is not in service" message to the hapless caller.

I manually maintain the blacklist, but I only have to lookup a caller
once every few days. The rest are automatically nuked.

After a number of rings it switches into answering-machine mode, and
takes the call normally.

We're rarely bothered by tele-spammers.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
> Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular one.
> I've had those calling me a couple of times.
> The last time I asked: on which computer?
> The guy asked: "How many do you have?"
> I: 12
> 
>
> A more interesting variation of that is described here:
> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/11/malwarebytes
>
>
>
> Mark pretty much described the situation. "Do not Call" lists help only
> against honest telemarketers.
> Besides, "The National Do Not Call Registry does not limit calls by
> political organizations, charities, or telephone surveyors."
> (according to that very registry site:
> https://www.donotcall.gov/faq/faqbusiness.aspx )
>
> I've found that some numbers (even those that are spoofed) are repeated.
> There are some in-line phone attachments (i.e. hardware) that allow you to
> maintain large block-lists.
> None of them seems to be ideal, but here is what I've found (based on the
> review analysis) to be a reasonable candidate:
> http://www.amazon.com/telemarketer-screener-programming-accidental-protection/dp/B00E914II6
>
> I've just found this one that might deserve taking a look if I'd ever decide
> to buy one:
> http://www.amazon.com/telemarketer-screener-programming-accidental-protection/dp/B00E914II6
> http://www.amazon.com/Tel-Sentry-V2-0-Automatic-Blocking-Election/dp/B00U1PPWDO
>
> I am surprised why none of the phone makers has a large enough block list.
> (My Panasonic's list has only 20 or 25 numbers. Gee!)
>
> Igor
>
>
>
> Doug Brewer Thu, 19 May 2016 13:14:48 -0700 wrote:
>
> Scammer: The factory warranty on your car has run out.
>
> Me: Really? That's tragic. Which car?
>
> Scammer: Pardon?
>
> Me: Which car lost its factory warranty?
>
> Scammer: Our records don't show that.
>
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Re: OT - Michael Reichmann dead at 71

You're welcome, Godfrey.

MR struck me as a guy with enormous energy and enthusiasm for
photography even after a very long professional career. Also a fresh
outlook: he was one of the first to fully embrace the digital wave. I
learned a lot from his tutorials and writing, and also from all the
guest writers on his site.

Yeah, he'll be missed.


On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> Thanks for posting that.
> Sad to hear it, MR was a good guy. I didn't know him personally, but he was
> always responsive and engaging when I wrote to ask about something he'd
> published.
>
> G
>
> On May 19, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>
> Kevin Raber: "It is with a very heavy heart that I must share sad news
> with our readers and the rest of the photographic community. After an
> extended battle with cancer, the Founder of Luminous-Landscape,
> Michael Reichmann, has passed away."
>
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Re: PESO -- ONe of many Egrets.


Nice bird, nice geometry

ann



On 5/19/2016 4:43 PM, P.J. Alling wrote:

Yea, I know another big water bird.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20loneofmany.html 



Shot on my way home from the dog's latest vet visit.

Equipment:  Pentax K-5II w/Kalimar MC 500mm Mirror f8.0.

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Re: OT - Michael Reichmann dead at 71

2016-05-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


Thanks for posting that.
Sad to hear it, MR was a good guy. I didn't know him personally, but he was 
always responsive and engaging when I wrote to ask about something he'd 
published. 

G

On May 19, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Bruce Walker  wrote:

Kevin Raber: "It is with a very heavy heart that I must share sad news
with our readers and the rest of the photographic community. After an
extended battle with cancer, the Founder of Luminous-Landscape,
Michael Reichmann, has passed away."

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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Igor PDML-StR



Stan,

A while ago, I've known somebody who cross-polinated credit-card 
solicitations with the postage-paid return envelopes. And if asked about 
that person, I'll "take the 5th". ;-)


I enjoyed reading about your father-in-law's approach with that store.
(Even though I am a bit surprised that the manager gave in.)

Thanks for sharing!

Igor

Stanley Halpin Thu, 19 May 2016 14:17:21 -0700 wrote:

My father-in-law would have gotten on well with you Doug. He used to love 
getting solicitations in the mail with postage free return envelopes. He 
would always return those envelopes with as much weight in iron filings as 
he could fit in. Along with a note saying “please take me off your list.”


A small grocery store opened a few hundred yards from his house. Their 
delivery trucks and contracted trash service seemed to be on a 4-5:00 a.m. 
schedule. Ken complained to the manager. The manager apologized but 
explained that he had no control over those schedules. So every morning at 
4-5:00 a.m. when the trucks came Ken would call the store manager at home 
to assure him that all was well, that the deliveries were coming in and 
the trash was going out. The schedules were changed within 2-3 days. 
Passive aggressive behavior is not always a bad thing.


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Yep, and "You've got a virus on your computer" is yet another popular one.
I've had those calling me a couple of times.
The last time I asked: on which computer?
The guy asked: "How many do you have?"
I: 12

A more interesting variation of that is described here:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-04/11/malwarebytes

Mark pretty much described the situation. "Do not Call" lists help
only against honest telemarketers.
Besides, "The National Do Not Call Registry does not limit calls by
political organizations, charities, or telephone surveyors."
(according to that very registry site:
https://www.donotcall.gov/faq/faqbusiness.aspx )

I've found that some numbers (even those that are spoofed) are repeated.
There are some in-line phone attachments (i.e. hardware) that allow you to
maintain large block-lists.
None of them seems to be ideal, but here is what I've found (based on
the review analysis) to be a reasonable candidate:

http://www.amazon.com/telemarketer-screener-programming-accidental-protection/dp/B00E914II6

I've just found this one that might deserve taking a look if I'd ever
decide to buy one:

http://www.amazon.com/telemarketer-screener-programming-accidental-protection/dp/B00E914II6
http://www.amazon.com/Tel-Sentry-V2-0-Automatic-Blocking-Election/dp/B00U1PPWDO

I am surprised why none of the phone makers has a large enough block list.
(My Panasonic's list has only 20 or 25 numbers. Gee!)

Igor

Doug Brewer Thu, 19 May 2016 13:14:48 -0700 wrote:

Scammer: The factory warranty on your car has run out.

Me: Really? That's tragic. Which car?

Scammer: Pardon?

Me: Which car lost its factory warranty?

Scammer: Our records don't show that.

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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

I write scripts for them. Hey, they have bucks.

Paul via phone

> On May 19, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> FWIW I tell them I sold the car.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Doug Brewer 
>> Subject: Re: OT: Telemarketers
>> 
>> Scammer: The factory warranty on your car has run out.
>> 
>> Me: Really? That's tragic. Which car?
>> 
>> Scammer: Pardon?
>> 
>> Me: Which car lost its factory warranty?
>> 
>> Scammer: Our records don't show that.
>> 
>> Me: Then how do you know the warranty has run out?
>> 
>> Scammer: It's the one you drive most.
>> 
>> Me: Oh, yeah? Which one is that?
>> 
>> Scammer: uh
>> 
>> Me: So you don't know what kind of car I have and don't know which car I 
>> drive most. How do you know the factory warranty has run out? Do you 
>> know if I even had a factory warranty?
>> 
>> Scammer:...
>> 
>> Me: I think the factory warranty has run out on *your* car. See how this 
>> works?
>> 
>> Scammer: :hangs up:
>> 
>> I'm so easily entertained.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/19/16 3:00 PM, John wrote:
>>> WTF is going on with telemarketers.
>>> 
>>> I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call
>>> Registry. I signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.
>>> 
>>> I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.
>>> 
>>> I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted
>>> to talk to.
>>> 
>>> Sorry 'bout the rant.
> 
> 
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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Stanley Halpin

My father-in-law would have gotten on well with you Doug. He used to love 
getting solicitations in the mail with postage free return envelopes. He would 
always return those envelopes with as much weight in iron filings as he could 
fit in. Along with a note saying “please take me off your list.”

A small grocery store opened a few hundred yards from his house. Their delivery 
trucks and contracted trash service seemed to be on a 4-5:00 a.m. schedule.  
Ken complained to the manager. The manager apologized but explained that he had 
no control over those schedules. So every morning at 4-5:00 a.m. when the 
trucks came Ken would call the store manager at home to assure him that all was 
well, that the deliveries were coming in and the trash was going out. The 
schedules were changed within 2-3 days. Passive aggressive behavior is not 
always a bad thing.

stan

> On May 19, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
> Scammer: The factory warranty on your car has run out.
> 
> Me: Really? That's tragic. Which car?
> 
> Scammer: Pardon?
> 
> Me: Which car lost its factory warranty?
> 
> Scammer: Our records don't show that.
> 
> Me: Then how do you know the warranty has run out?
> 
> Scammer: It's the one you drive most.
> 
> Me: Oh, yeah? Which one is that?
> 
> Scammer: uh
> 
> Me: So you don't know what kind of car I have and don't know which car I 
> drive most. How do you know the factory warranty has run out? Do you know if 
> I even had a factory warranty?
> 
> Scammer:...
> 
> Me: I think the factory warranty has run out on *your* car. See how this 
> works?
> 
> Scammer: :hangs up:
> 
> I'm so easily entertained.
> 
> 
> On 5/19/16 3:00 PM, John wrote:
>> WTF is going on with telemarketers.
>> 
>> I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call
>> Registry. I signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.
>> 
>> I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.
>> 
>> I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted
>> to talk to.
>> 
>> Sorry 'bout the rant.
>> 
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Re: OT: Telemarketers

FWIW I tell them I sold the car.


-Original Message-
>From: Doug Brewer 
>Subject: Re: OT: Telemarketers
>
>Scammer: The factory warranty on your car has run out.
>
>Me: Really? That's tragic. Which car?
>
>Scammer: Pardon?
>
>Me: Which car lost its factory warranty?
>
>Scammer: Our records don't show that.
>
>Me: Then how do you know the warranty has run out?
>
>Scammer: It's the one you drive most.
>
>Me: Oh, yeah? Which one is that?
>
>Scammer: uh
>
>Me: So you don't know what kind of car I have and don't know which car I 
>drive most. How do you know the factory warranty has run out? Do you 
>know if I even had a factory warranty?
>
>Scammer:...
>
>Me: I think the factory warranty has run out on *your* car. See how this 
>works?
>
>Scammer: :hangs up:
>
>I'm so easily entertained.
>
>
>On 5/19/16 3:00 PM, John wrote:
>> WTF is going on with telemarketers.
>>
>> I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call
>> Registry. I signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.
>>
>> I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.
>>
>> I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted
>> to talk to.
>>
>> Sorry 'bout the rant.



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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Stanley Halpin

I long ago got over the notion that I needed to be responsive to phone calls. 
We haven’t answered the phone in years. Well, a few exceptions but hardly ever. 
When we had Caller ID we would only answer if a known caller. Now we have the 
phone ringers turned off, don’t even know there is a call until we hear the 
answer machine attempt to answer. 95% of robocallers, scammers, and fund 
raisers hang up without leaving a message, without even waiting for our answer 
to play through. The occasional caller we want to talk to, we either pick up 
while they are leaving their message or we call them back. I follow pretty much 
the same routine with my cell phone.

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> On May 19, 2016, at 3:00 PM, John  wrote:
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> WTF is going on with telemarketers.
> 
> I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call
> Registry. I signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.
> 
> I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.
> 
> I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted
> to talk to.
> 
> Sorry 'bout the rant.
> 
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Re: PESO -- ONe of many Egrets.

Nice one, P.J.!

J

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> On May 19, 2016, at 1:43 PM, P.J. Alling  wrote:
> 
> Yea, I know another big water bird.
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20loneofmany.html
> 
> Shot on my way home from the dog's latest vet visit.
> 
> Equipment:  Pentax K-5II w/Kalimar MC 500mm Mirror f8.0.
> 
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PESO -- ONe of many Egrets.

2016-05-19 Thread P.J. Alling


Yea, I know another big water bird.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20loneofmany.html

Shot on my way home from the dog's latest vet visit.

Equipment:  Pentax K-5II w/Kalimar MC 500mm Mirror f8.0.

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Re: OT: Telemarketers

2016-05-19 Thread Doug Brewer


Scammer: The factory warranty on your car has run out.

Me: Really? That's tragic. Which car?

Scammer: Pardon?

Me: Which car lost its factory warranty?

Scammer: Our records don't show that.

Me: Then how do you know the warranty has run out?

Scammer: It's the one you drive most.

Me: Oh, yeah? Which one is that?

Scammer: uh

Me: So you don't know what kind of car I have and don't know which car I 
drive most. How do you know the factory warranty has run out? Do you 
know if I even had a factory warranty?


Scammer:...

Me: I think the factory warranty has run out on *your* car. See how this 
works?


Scammer: :hangs up:

I'm so easily entertained.


On 5/19/16 3:00 PM, John wrote:

WTF is going on with telemarketers.

I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call
Registry. I signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.

I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.

I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted
to talk to.

Sorry 'bout the rant.



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Re: Can higher ISO give you more info about a low contrast scene.

> Bob, I have found over the years that arguing with any engineer about
> anything is an exercise in futility! ;-)

Yes, we're like lawyers, except we don't get paid $500/hr for arguing.  ;)


On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
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>>Mark,
>>I wouldn't argue with an EE from MIT about electronics.
>
> Bob, I have found over the years that arguing with any engineer about
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Re: PESO 2016 - 091, 092 - GDG


I thought it was an alien invasion

do I need a smiley here?

ann


On 5/19/2016 2:15 PM, John wrote:
You need the little board with numbers & stuff to hold up under your 
chin. 8-D


On 5/19/2016 9:29 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Experimenting with the Impossible I-1 and Yellow Duochrome film...

 https://flic.kr/p/Gocj57
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We apologize for the model, but you work with what you have at hand. :-)

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Re: OT: Telemarketers

I'm getting the same thing.  Area codes from every part of the
country.  If I don't recognize it, I automatically ignore it, wait for
it to end, then block it.  Seems to be a moving target though.  I
answered one out of curiosity and it was a robo-call to lower my
mortage rate.


On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 2:00 PM, John  wrote:
> WTF is going on with telemarketers.
>
> I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call
> Registry. I signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.
>
> I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.
>
> I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted
> to talk to.
>
> Sorry 'bout the rant.
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OT - Michael Reichmann dead at 71

Kevin Raber: "It is with a very heavy heart that I must share sad news
with our readers and the rest of the photographic community.  After an
extended battle with cancer, the Founder of Luminous-Landscape,
Michael Reichmann, has passed away."

https://luminous-landscape.com/sad-day-luminous-landscape/

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Re: OT: Telemarketers

We're getting showered with a local
cascade of Solar invaders. Absolutely
unrelenting. That in addition to the usual hawkers and of course, political 
drummers.
I called and requested our number be 
placed on that same list years ago.
I'd advise a politics 
candidate to 
promise doing away with telemarketers. He/She(many) would
get my vote!

J
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> On May 19, 2016, at 12:00 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> WTF is going on with telemarketers.
> 
> I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call
> Registry. I signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.
> 
> I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.
> 
> I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted
> to talk to.
> 
> Sorry 'bout the rant.
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On 5/19/2016 2:47 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Bob Sullivan wrote:


Mark,
I wouldn't argue with an EE from MIT about electronics.


Bob, I have found over the years that arguing with any engineer about
anything is an exercise in futility! ;-)




I know that.

Ever try to convince an engineer to issue a change document because
"that many wires will not fit through 1/2-inch EMT"?

'Cause if the engineer specifies 1/2-inch EMT, the electrician is going
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Re: OT: Telemarketers

John wrote:

>WTF is going on with telemarketers.
>
>I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call
>Registry. I signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.
>
>I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.
>
>I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted
>to talk to.
>
>Sorry 'bout the rant.

Most of the callers aren't really telemarketers, they're criminals
running scams. The old "card services" scam claiming to get a lower
interest rate on your credit card, fake IRS agents demanding money and
fake tech support services wanting to hack your computers. Many of
them are calling from outside the US, so they're not bound by US laws
like the Do Not Call Registry, and even the ones inside this country
are basically criminals, so they don't mind breaking one more law by
calling.

Since I work out of my home office much of the time my computer's
nearly always on. I use a freeware program called Phone Tray Free to
keep a log of nuisance callers and block their calls.

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OT: Telemarketers


WTF is going on with telemarketers.

I have an unlisted number. It's on the FTC National Do Not Call
Registry. I signed up my phone numbers for "Do Not Call" years ago.

I'm still getting robo-calls; more than one an hour.

I can't remember the last time my phone rang & it was someone I wanted
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Re: Can higher ISO give you more info about a low contrast scene.

Bob Sullivan wrote:

>Mark,
>I wouldn't argue with an EE from MIT about electronics.

Bob, I have found over the years that arguing with any engineer about
anything is an exercise in futility! ;-)
 
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Re: Exposure Choices

Thanks, John! Much appreciated.

J

- Original Message -
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Subject: Re: Exposure Choices

I *think* "exposure compensation" in LR is the same as "exposure" in PS.

"Brightness" in PS seems to be something different, affecting contrast.

On 5/19/2016 11:26 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
>
>
> Is result in applying "exposure compensation" in LR significantly
> different than applying an increase in either "exposure" or
> "brightness" in PS? Anyone.
>
> Gently!
>
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Re: PESO 2016 - 091, 092 - GDG

You need the little board with numbers & stuff to hold up under your 
chin. 8-D


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Re: Exposure Choices


I *think* "exposure compensation" in LR is the same as "exposure" in PS.

"Brightness" in PS seems to be something different, affecting contrast.

On 5/19/2016 11:26 AM, Jack Davis wrote:



Is result in applying "exposure compensation" in LR significantly
different than applying an increase in either "exposure" or
"brightness" in PS? Anyone.

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Re: PESO 2016 - 091, 092 - GDG

2016-05-19 Thread Bob W-PDML

OMG it's hideous!

The first one reminds me of Piss Christ. Both very interesting and imaginative. 
Carry on, Godfrey!

> On 19 May 2016, at 14:32, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> Experimenting with the Impossible I-1 and Yellow Duochrome film... 
> 
> https://flic.kr/p/Gocj57
> https://flic.kr/p/GociiN
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> We apologize for the model, but you work with what you have at hand. :-)
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Exposure Choices



Is result in applying "exposure compensation" in LR significantly different 
than applying an
increase in either "exposure" or "brightness" in PS?
Anyone.

Gently!

J

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Re: Can higher ISO give you more info about a low contrast scene.

So basically, expose for the maximum highlight detail and the shadows
should still be *ok*.  The true test of this would be in a very dark
situation, the higher ISO would give you better results, especially if
the brighter portions are pretty dim.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> "so what we're essentially looking at is: what is the difference
> between brightening in-camera by increasing ISO (and using hardware,
> mostly analog amplification) vs. brightening after-the-fact in your
> Raw converter (digital correction)?"
>
> and
>
> "As you can see above: there's a very modest visual difference* in
> noise between shooting at ISO 6400, compared with using the camera's
> base ISO (100) and digitally pushing later."
>
> and
>
> "Now, we're not saying there's no cost to keeping your ISO low and
> brightening in post.** We're saying that the cost of a 6 EV push of an
> ISO 100 shot (vs ISO 6400) is only a mere half a stop or thereabouts
> in shadows, with almost no visible cost in midtones.***"
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Gonz  wrote:
>> The analog amplifier inside (and even in ISO invariant cameras) will
>> still get you a better amplification of the darker portions than the
>> pseudo amplification using the digital values through post processing.
>> Read the dpreview article in more detail for explanation of this.
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Mark Roberts
>>  wrote:
>>> Gonz wrote:
>>>
> Does this mean that you don't get any advantage from shooting a higher 
> iso rather than under exposing at a lower ISO?

Not true.  Exposing at the right ISO will give you less noise at the darker 
end.
>>>
>>> No it won't. If the camera is "ISO Invariant" (and there are lists
>>> available in the links below) you'll get *exactly the same* noise from
>>> underexposing and compensating in post as you would from cranking up
>>> the camera's ISO setting and shooting the correct exposure. This is
>>> because, with these cameras, "turning up the ISO setting" does exactly
>>> the same thing inside the camera.
>>>
>>> https://medium.com/@simonfuhrmann/iso-invariance-in-digital-cameras-a-case-study-7080791b5e78
>>> http://improvephotography.com/34818/iso-invariance/
>>> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7450523388/sony-alpha-7r-ii-real-world-iso-invariance-study
>>>
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Re: Can higher ISO give you more info about a low contrast scene.

2016-05-19 Thread Bob Sullivan

Mark,
I wouldn't argue with an EE from MIT about electronics.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> The analog amplifier inside (and even in ISO invariant cameras) will
> still get you a better amplification of the darker portions than the
> pseudo amplification using the digital values through post processing.
> Read the dpreview article in more detail for explanation of this.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>> Gonz wrote:
>>
 Does this mean that you don't get any advantage from shooting a higher iso 
 rather than under exposing at a lower ISO?
>>>
>>>Not true.  Exposing at the right ISO will give you less noise at the darker 
>>>end.
>>
>> No it won't. If the camera is "ISO Invariant" (and there are lists
>> available in the links below) you'll get *exactly the same* noise from
>> underexposing and compensating in post as you would from cranking up
>> the camera's ISO setting and shooting the correct exposure. This is
>> because, with these cameras, "turning up the ISO setting" does exactly
>> the same thing inside the camera.
>>
>> https://medium.com/@simonfuhrmann/iso-invariance-in-digital-cameras-a-case-study-7080791b5e78
>> http://improvephotography.com/34818/iso-invariance/
>> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7450523388/sony-alpha-7r-ii-real-world-iso-invariance-study
>>
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Re: Can higher ISO give you more info about a low contrast scene.

"so what we're essentially looking at is: what is the difference
between brightening in-camera by increasing ISO (and using hardware,
mostly analog amplification) vs. brightening after-the-fact in your
Raw converter (digital correction)?"

and

"As you can see above: there's a very modest visual difference* in
noise between shooting at ISO 6400, compared with using the camera's
base ISO (100) and digitally pushing later."

and

"Now, we're not saying there's no cost to keeping your ISO low and
brightening in post.** We're saying that the cost of a 6 EV push of an
ISO 100 shot (vs ISO 6400) is only a mere half a stop or thereabouts
in shadows, with almost no visible cost in midtones.***"



On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 10:04 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> The analog amplifier inside (and even in ISO invariant cameras) will
> still get you a better amplification of the darker portions than the
> pseudo amplification using the digital values through post processing.
> Read the dpreview article in more detail for explanation of this.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Mark Roberts
>  wrote:
>> Gonz wrote:
>>
 Does this mean that you don't get any advantage from shooting a higher iso 
 rather than under exposing at a lower ISO?
>>>
>>>Not true.  Exposing at the right ISO will give you less noise at the darker 
>>>end.
>>
>> No it won't. If the camera is "ISO Invariant" (and there are lists
>> available in the links below) you'll get *exactly the same* noise from
>> underexposing and compensating in post as you would from cranking up
>> the camera's ISO setting and shooting the correct exposure. This is
>> because, with these cameras, "turning up the ISO setting" does exactly
>> the same thing inside the camera.
>>
>> https://medium.com/@simonfuhrmann/iso-invariance-in-digital-cameras-a-case-study-7080791b5e78
>> http://improvephotography.com/34818/iso-invariance/
>> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7450523388/sony-alpha-7r-ii-real-world-iso-invariance-study
>>
>>
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Re: Can higher ISO give you more info about a low contrast scene.

The analog amplifier inside (and even in ISO invariant cameras) will
still get you a better amplification of the darker portions than the
pseudo amplification using the digital values through post processing.
Read the dpreview article in more detail for explanation of this.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Mark Roberts
 wrote:
> Gonz wrote:
>
>>> Does this mean that you don't get any advantage from shooting a higher iso 
>>> rather than under exposing at a lower ISO?
>>
>>Not true.  Exposing at the right ISO will give you less noise at the darker 
>>end.
>
> No it won't. If the camera is "ISO Invariant" (and there are lists
> available in the links below) you'll get *exactly the same* noise from
> underexposing and compensating in post as you would from cranking up
> the camera's ISO setting and shooting the correct exposure. This is
> because, with these cameras, "turning up the ISO setting" does exactly
> the same thing inside the camera.
>
> https://medium.com/@simonfuhrmann/iso-invariance-in-digital-cameras-a-case-study-7080791b5e78
> http://improvephotography.com/34818/iso-invariance/
> http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7450523388/sony-alpha-7r-ii-real-world-iso-invariance-study
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Re: Can higher ISO give you more info about a low contrast scene.

Gonz wrote:

>> Does this mean that you don't get any advantage from shooting a higher iso 
>> rather than under exposing at a lower ISO?
>
>Not true.  Exposing at the right ISO will give you less noise at the darker 
>end.

No it won't. If the camera is "ISO Invariant" (and there are lists
available in the links below) you'll get *exactly the same* noise from
underexposing and compensating in post as you would from cranking up
the camera's ISO setting and shooting the correct exposure. This is
because, with these cameras, "turning up the ISO setting" does exactly
the same thing inside the camera.

https://medium.com/@simonfuhrmann/iso-invariance-in-digital-cameras-a-case-study-7080791b5e78
http://improvephotography.com/34818/iso-invariance/
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/7450523388/sony-alpha-7r-ii-real-world-iso-invariance-study

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