Re: OT: Coffee

2017-12-05 Thread mike wilson
The capsules themselves are often made completely from recyclable material, so
that side is of lesser concern - assuming they stay in the cycle.  Of greater
concern is the environmental cost of machine production and the oxygen wasted by
the people who promote these devices.

WRT cost of product, I once overheard sopmeone in a supermarket espousing the
chapness of the capsules they had found.  Examining the product during an
overwhelming burst of curiosity, I found thy were paying over £11 for 100g of
coffee.  Sad, sad people.

> On 05 December 2017 at 20:29 Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> 
> Coffee capsules are an environmental disaster. The whole thing is a classic
> example of wasteful production and unnecessary technology designed simply to
> screw more money out of the consumer by selling them useless crap.
> 
> > On 5 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> > 
> > On that subject, I recently received a very good espresso/coffee machine.
> > 
> > https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/illy-reg-y3-2-espresso-coffee-machine/3328580?skuId=61763098=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_coffeetea_online_id=61763098=pla_channel=online=1o4=224233276482=c==g=558372011=609_id=h-73354b0251f621c2c41ac0fdecf49233_t-1512482115=EAIaIQobChMIsIXx9oLz1wIViUsNCh0A9AQuEAYYBCABEgIstPD_BwE
> > 
> > It requires special capsules, and they are not cheap, but they are
> > extremely convenient, and inexpensive compared to buying coffee from
> > StarBuck or even Duncan Donuts.
> > 
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> > 
> >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Coffee is good. It's one of the few real pleasures in life that actually
> >> helps prevent rather than induce gout, so one the few earthly pleasures
> >> remaining to me on my road to martyrdom. Compared to me Simeon Stylites
> >> lived a life of sybaritic esurience.
> >>> 
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Re: PESO it's a little snowy in Santa Cruz

2017-12-05 Thread Paul Sorenson

Should be easy...since we have a bunch of old coots here.

-p


On 12/5/2017 3:58 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Larry Colen wrote:

I got a few quick snaps around Corcoran lagoon this weekend:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/23989491177/in/album-72157690549042455/ 




For those interested in the whole set:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157690549042455


Someone told me that what I thought was a duck is actually an American 
Coot. Does anyone on this list know how to identify a coot?




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Re: PESO it's a little snowy in Santa Cruz

2017-12-05 Thread Alan C

Or buy a mini-submersible.

Alan C

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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
Look at the feet. Ducks' feet are three toed with webbing between the 
toes. Coots have three toes, but the webbing consists of flaps of skin on 
each toe that fold when the foot passes through the water forwards, and 
fan out to form a webbed paddle when the foot passes backwards into the 
water. Coots are also generally small, have a small head, not very 
duck-like beak, and kinda thin legs. Like this:


Good to know. Next time I see it, I'll ask it to come out of the water
so that I can look at the feet.



American Coot: 
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4545/27084002639_a4f4da5133.jpg


G
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No matter where you go, look out for coots.


On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Does anyone on this list know how to identify a coot?




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Re: December PUG is up!

2017-12-05 Thread Mark Roberts
ann sanfedele wrote:

>I counted the parks I've been to in North America 
>and there are 7 of them.. (two of the same park, amazingly - YOHO) 
>including mine, of course...

Some people just have good taste :-)
 
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Re: December PUG is up!

2017-12-05 Thread Jack Davis
Kind of you, Ann. Thanks!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 5:31 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Jack - that one was particularly nice for it's painterlyness.. like a 
> Bierstradt
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 12/5/2017 6:15 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> Thanks for Moulton Barn comments,
>> Dan!
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not a large gallery, but a very enjoyable one, with many entrancing
>>> portraits of National Parks all over the globe.
>>> 
>>> Rick Wormer's "Haleakala Crater"  touches my soul, as that is just about my
>>> favorite spot on the planet -- next to the beaches of South Maui.  
>>> Jack Davis' "Moulton Barn" is perhaps THE classic national park view, and
>>> he managed to take that oft-photographed site and make it feel alive.
>>> Jn van Wijk's "Painted Desert Locals" is perhaps the most dynamic;  I love
>>> the way he capture both the perched bird and the airborne in that
>>> well-composed image.
>>> My favorite, however, is Ken Waller's "Caribou."  What a magnificent beast,
>>> and what a splendid pose.  The background is just right:  Out of focus
>>> enough to avoid distracting the eye, yet clear enough to strongly convey
>>> the environment.
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Brian Walters 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 G'day all,
 
 A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very
 good,
 showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.
 
 View here:
 
 http://pug.komkon.org/
 
 (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
 there).
 
 Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
 infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
 gallery,
 let me know.
 
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 Cheers
 
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Re: December PUG is up!

2017-12-05 Thread Jack Davis
He (or she) had to have remembered
you, Ann. Believe.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 5:27 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> But a gorgeous one!  I counted the parks I've been to in North America and 
> there are 7 of them.. (two of the same park, amazingly - YOHO) including 
> mine, of course...
> Love the caribou at Denali, Ken - and Brian's Pinnacles leaps out at me... 
> but so much prettiness throughout.
> 
> My personal favorite is for a very personal reason.. (in addition to it being 
> a lovely shot)
> I think I know those ravens at the Painted Desert!
> WHen did you take the photo, Jan?
> I named  the one in front "Sam" .. Ok, maybe it isn't Sam and his wife, but I 
> made friends with a Raven on the blue mesa overlook in the late 80's - He was 
> stealing crackers from me then I couldnt resist (what you are not supposed to 
> do) feeding him.  A couple of years later, nearing the overlook , I saw a 
> raven overhead and called out to him..
> damned if he didn't come in for a landing, right in front of me... much to 
> the delight of RIchard's daughter who was traveling with us.
> 
> While it is unlikely Sam recognized me and was just looking for anyone to 
> give him a handout, the ranger
> said it was entirely possible it was the same guy, as ravens settle in to 
> favorite places and also mate for life.
> 
> I took this photo of Sam in 1990 - and it got dolled up for inclusion in my 
> book of poetry..
> 
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Books-in-Print/The-Part-of-Fortune/i-SHfm4CB/A
> 
> If you are curious about the verse I wrote for him ...
> 
> https://books.google.com/books?id=iLbJDAAAQBAJ=PA56=PA56=The+Raven+at+Blue+Mesa+Ann+Sanfedele=bl=4M_RE5tkLa=dfweoZ6DtuAAP7vuibaNg3H66js=en=X=0ahUKEwjk6tC0nPTXAhUSkeAKHeW-AUEQ6AEIKzAA#v=onepage=The%20Raven%20at%20Blue%20Mesa%20Ann%20Sanfedele=false
> 
> I forgot how to do tinyurl .. sorry
> 
> sorry for the outpouring of emotion... Sam was an important part of my life
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 12/5/2017 4:47 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>> G'day all,
>> 
>> A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very good,
>> showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.
>> 
>> View here:
>> 
>> http://pug.komkon.org/
>> 
>> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery there).
>> 
>> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
>> infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the gallery,
>> let me know.
>> 
>> +
>> 
>> First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.
>> 
>> Full Submissions Guidelines here:
>> 
>> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>> 
>> You can submit here:
>> 
>> http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Brian
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Re: December PUG is up!

2017-12-05 Thread Subash Jeyan
great gallery. enjoyed looking at each one of them but quite liked David
Mann's "pontoon" and Brian Walters' "the pinnacles".

~subash


On Wed, 6 Dec 2017 08:47:26 +1100 (AEDT)
Brian Walters  wrote:

> View here:
> 
> http://pug.komkon.org/

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Re: December PUG is up!

2017-12-05 Thread ann sanfedele
Jack - that one was particularly nice for it's painterlyness.. like a 
Bierstradt


ann

On 12/5/2017 6:15 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Thanks for Moulton Barn comments,
Dan!

J

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

Not a large gallery, but a very enjoyable one, with many entrancing
portraits of National Parks all over the globe.

Rick Wormer's "Haleakala Crater"  touches my soul, as that is just about my
favorite spot on the planet -- next to the beaches of South Maui.  
Jack Davis' "Moulton Barn" is perhaps THE classic national park view, and
he managed to take that oft-photographed site and make it feel alive.
Jn van Wijk's "Painted Desert Locals" is perhaps the most dynamic;  I love
the way he capture both the perched bird and the airborne in that
well-composed image.
My favorite, however, is Ken Waller's "Caribou."  What a magnificent beast,
and what a splendid pose.  The background is just right:  Out of focus
enough to avoid distracting the eye, yet clear enough to strongly convey
the environment.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Brian Walters 
wrote:


G'day all,

A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very
good,
showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.

View here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
gallery,
let me know.

+

First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO it's a little snowy in Santa Cruz

2017-12-05 Thread ann sanfedele

I was suckered - thought it might be real snow..
nice one!
ann

On 12/5/2017 3:32 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

I got a few quick snaps around Corcoran lagoon this weekend:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/23989491177/in/album-72157690549042455/ 



For those interested in the whole set:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157690549042455

The first are of chestnut backed chickadees, they aren't very good 
photographically (those little bastards aren't very cooperative 
subjects) I posted them so my friend RJ could help ID them.  I've got 
a few of some duck, I don't know what sort, but judging by it's red 
eyes, it might be wintering here from hell.  There's some sort of 
unidentified pink flower and leaves of what I think might be nasturtiums.





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Re: December PUG is up!

2017-12-05 Thread ann sanfedele
But a gorgeous one!  I counted the parks I've been to in North America 
and there are 7 of them.. (two of the same park, amazingly - YOHO) 
including mine, of course...
Love the caribou at Denali, Ken - and Brian's Pinnacles leaps out at 
me... but so much prettiness throughout.


My personal favorite is for a very personal reason.. (in addition to it 
being a lovely shot)

I think I know those ravens at the Painted Desert!
WHen did you take the photo, Jan?
I named  the one in front "Sam" .. Ok, maybe it isn't Sam and his wife, 
but I made friends with a Raven on the blue mesa overlook in the late 
80's - He was stealing crackers from me then I couldnt resist (what you 
are not supposed to do) feeding him.  A couple of years later, nearing 
the overlook , I saw a raven overhead and called out to him..
damned if he didn't come in for a landing, right in front of me... much 
to the delight of RIchard's daughter who was traveling with us.


While it is unlikely Sam recognized me and was just looking for anyone 
to give him a handout, the ranger
said it was entirely possible it was the same guy, as ravens settle in 
to favorite places and also mate for life.


I took this photo of Sam in 1990 - and it got dolled up for inclusion in 
my book of poetry..


https://annsan.smugmug.com/Works-in-Print/Books-in-Print/The-Part-of-Fortune/i-SHfm4CB/A

If you are curious about the verse I wrote for him ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=iLbJDAAAQBAJ=PA56=PA56=The+Raven+at+Blue+Mesa+Ann+Sanfedele=bl=4M_RE5tkLa=dfweoZ6DtuAAP7vuibaNg3H66js=en=X=0ahUKEwjk6tC0nPTXAhUSkeAKHeW-AUEQ6AEIKzAA#v=onepage=The%20Raven%20at%20Blue%20Mesa%20Ann%20Sanfedele=false

I forgot how to do tinyurl .. sorry

sorry for the outpouring of emotion... Sam was an important part of my life

ann

On 12/5/2017 4:47 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all,

A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very good,
showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.

View here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the gallery,
let me know.

+

First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Cheers

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Re: December PUG is up!

2017-12-05 Thread Ken Waller

As usual Brian thanks for the effort you put in to the PUG !

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Walters" 

Subject: December PUG is up!



G'day all,

A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very 
good,

showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.

View here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery 
there).


Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the 
gallery,

let me know.

+

First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Cheers

Brian



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Re: PESO it's a little snowy in Santa Cruz

2017-12-05 Thread Larry Colen



Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Look at the feet. Ducks' feet are three toed with webbing between the toes. 
Coots have three toes, but the webbing consists of flaps of skin on each toe 
that fold when the foot passes through the water forwards, and fan out to form 
a webbed paddle when the foot passes backwards into the water. Coots are also 
generally small, have a small head, not very duck-like beak, and kinda thin 
legs. Like this:


Good to know. Next time I see it, I'll ask it to come out of the water 
so that I can look at the feet.




American Coot: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4545/27084002639_a4f4da5133.jpg

G
-
No matter where you go, look out for coots.


On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Does anyone on this list know how to identify a coot?




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Re: PESO it's a little snowy in Santa Cruz

2017-12-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Look at the feet. Ducks' feet are three toed with webbing between the toes. 
Coots have three toes, but the webbing consists of flaps of skin on each toe 
that fold when the foot passes through the water forwards, and fan out to form 
a webbed paddle when the foot passes backwards into the water. Coots are also 
generally small, have a small head, not very duck-like beak, and kinda thin 
legs. Like this: 

American Coot: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4545/27084002639_a4f4da5133.jpg

G
- 
No matter where you go, look out for coots. 

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
> Does anyone on this list know how to identify a coot?

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Re: December PUG is up!

2017-12-05 Thread Jack Davis
Thanks for Moulton Barn comments, 
Dan!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Not a large gallery, but a very enjoyable one, with many entrancing
> portraits of National Parks all over the globe.
> 
> Rick Wormer's "Haleakala Crater"  touches my soul, as that is just about my
> favorite spot on the planet -- next to the beaches of South Maui.  
> Jack Davis' "Moulton Barn" is perhaps THE classic national park view, and
> he managed to take that oft-photographed site and make it feel alive.
> Jn van Wijk's "Painted Desert Locals" is perhaps the most dynamic;  I love
> the way he capture both the perched bird and the airborne in that
> well-composed image.
> My favorite, however, is Ken Waller's "Caribou."  What a magnificent beast,
> and what a splendid pose.  The background is just right:  Out of focus
> enough to avoid distracting the eye, yet clear enough to strongly convey
> the environment.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Brian Walters 
> wrote:
> 
>> G'day all,
>> 
>> A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very
>> good,
>> showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.
>> 
>> View here:
>> 
>> http://pug.komkon.org/
>> 
>> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
>> there).
>> 
>> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
>> infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
>> gallery,
>> let me know.
>> 
>> +
>> 
>> First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.
>> 
>> Full Submissions Guidelines here:
>> 
>> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
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Re: PESO it's a little snowy in Santa Cruz

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Well, I'm an old coot, or so they tell me.

Dan

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On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:

>
>
> Larry Colen wrote:
>
>> I got a few quick snaps around Corcoran lagoon this weekend:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/23989491177/in/album-
>> 72157690549042455/
>>
>>
>> For those interested in the whole set:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157690549042455
>>
>
> Someone told me that what I thought was a duck is actually an American
> Coot. Does anyone on this list know how to identify a coot?
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Re: December PUG is up!

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Not a large gallery, but a very enjoyable one, with many entrancing
portraits of National Parks all over the globe.

Rick Wormer's "Haleakala Crater"  touches my soul, as that is just about my
favorite spot on the planet -- next to the beaches of South Maui.  
Jack Davis' "Moulton Barn" is perhaps THE classic national park view, and
he managed to take that oft-photographed site and make it feel alive.
Jn van Wijk's "Painted Desert Locals" is perhaps the most dynamic;  I love
the way he capture both the perched bird and the airborne in that
well-composed image.
My favorite, however, is Ken Waller's "Caribou."  What a magnificent beast,
and what a splendid pose.  The background is just right:  Out of focus
enough to avoid distracting the eye, yet clear enough to strongly convey
the environment.

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On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Brian Walters 
wrote:

> G'day all,
>
> A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very
> good,
> showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.
>
> View here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/
>
> (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
> there).
>
> Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
> infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
> gallery,
> let me know.
>
> +
>
> First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.
>
> Full Submissions Guidelines here:
>
> http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
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> You can submit here:
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>
> Cheers
>
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Re: PESO it's a little snowy in Santa Cruz

2017-12-05 Thread Larry Colen



Larry Colen wrote:

I got a few quick snaps around Corcoran lagoon this weekend:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/23989491177/in/album-72157690549042455/


For those interested in the whole set:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157690549042455


Someone told me that what I thought was a duck is actually an American 
Coot. Does anyone on this list know how to identify a coot?


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December PUG is up!

2017-12-05 Thread Brian Walters
G'day all,

A late surge of submissions got us up to a reasonable number - all very good,
showing the diversity of National Parks in several countries.

View here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery there).

Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the gallery,
let me know.

+

First up for 2018: 'Shadow'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Cheers

Brian

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Re: OT: Coffee

2017-12-05 Thread Jack Davis
I've tried, but thus far I am unable to
"enjoy" Starbuck's coffee. 

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> With all the many threats to the environment today, coffee capsules are at
> best an insignificant part of the problem.  I would generate far more
> environmentally deleterious trash by purchasing my coffee from StarBuck$ or
> a local barista, many of whom still use Styrofoam cups.
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> Coffee capsules are an environmental disaster. The whole thing is a
>> classic example of wasteful production and unnecessary technology designed
>> simply to screw more money out of the consumer by selling them useless crap.
>> 
>>> On 5 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On that subject, I recently received a very good espresso/coffee machine.
>>> 
>>> https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/illy-reg-y3-
>> 2-espresso-coffee-machine/3328580?skuId=61763098=
>> PS_googlepla_nonbrand_coffeetea_online_id=
>> 61763098=pla_channel=online=1o4&
>> creative=224233276482=c==g&
>> mrkgadid=558372011=609_id=h-73354b0251f621c2c41ac0fdecf492
>> 33_t-1512482115=EAIaIQobChMIsIXx9oLz1wIViUsNCh
>> 0A9AQuEAYYBCABEgIstPD_BwE
>>> 
>>> It requires special capsules, and they are not cheap, but they are
>>> extremely convenient, and inexpensive compared to buying coffee from
>>> StarBuck or even Duncan Donuts.
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> 
 On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML 
>> wrote:
 
 Coffee is good. It's one of the few real pleasures in life that actually
 helps prevent rather than induce gout, so one the few earthly pleasures
 remaining to me on my road to martyrdom. Compared to me Simeon Stylites
 lived a life of sybaritic esurience.
> 
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Re: OT: Coffee

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
With all the many threats to the environment today, coffee capsules are at
best an insignificant part of the problem.  I would generate far more
environmentally deleterious trash by purchasing my coffee from StarBuck$ or
a local barista, many of whom still use Styrofoam cups.


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On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> Coffee capsules are an environmental disaster. The whole thing is a
> classic example of wasteful production and unnecessary technology designed
> simply to screw more money out of the consumer by selling them useless crap.
>
> > On 5 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> >
> > On that subject, I recently received a very good espresso/coffee machine.
> >
> > https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/illy-reg-y3-
> 2-espresso-coffee-machine/3328580?skuId=61763098=
> PS_googlepla_nonbrand_coffeetea_online_id=
> 61763098=pla_channel=online=1o4&
> creative=224233276482=c==g&
> mrkgadid=558372011=609_id=h-73354b0251f621c2c41ac0fdecf492
> 33_t-1512482115=EAIaIQobChMIsIXx9oLz1wIViUsNCh
> 0A9AQuEAYYBCABEgIstPD_BwE
> >
> > It requires special capsules, and they are not cheap, but they are
> > extremely convenient, and inexpensive compared to buying coffee from
> > StarBuck or even Duncan Donuts.
> >
> > Dan Matyola
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >
> >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Coffee is good. It's one of the few real pleasures in life that actually
> >> helps prevent rather than induce gout, so one the few earthly pleasures
> >> remaining to me on my road to martyrdom. Compared to me Simeon Stylites
> >> lived a life of sybaritic esurience.
> >>>
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PESO it's a little snowy in Santa Cruz

2017-12-05 Thread Larry Colen

I got a few quick snaps around Corcoran lagoon this weekend:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/23989491177/in/album-72157690549042455/

For those interested in the whole set:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157690549042455

The first are of chestnut backed chickadees, they aren't very good 
photographically (those little bastards aren't very cooperative 
subjects) I posted them so my friend RJ could help ID them.  I've got a 
few of some duck, I don't know what sort, but judging by it's red eyes, 
it might be wintering here from hell.  There's some sort of unidentified 
pink flower and leaves of what I think might be nasturtiums.


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Re: OT: Coffee

2017-12-05 Thread Bob W-PDML
Coffee capsules are an environmental disaster. The whole thing is a classic 
example of wasteful production and unnecessary technology designed simply to 
screw more money out of the consumer by selling them useless crap.

> On 5 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> On that subject, I recently received a very good espresso/coffee machine.
> 
> https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/illy-reg-y3-2-espresso-coffee-machine/3328580?skuId=61763098=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_coffeetea_online_id=61763098=pla_channel=online=1o4=224233276482=c==g=558372011=609_id=h-73354b0251f621c2c41ac0fdecf49233_t-1512482115=EAIaIQobChMIsIXx9oLz1wIViUsNCh0A9AQuEAYYBCABEgIstPD_BwE
> 
> It requires special capsules, and they are not cheap, but they are
> extremely convenient, and inexpensive compared to buying coffee from
> StarBuck or even Duncan Donuts.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> Coffee is good. It's one of the few real pleasures in life that actually
>> helps prevent rather than induce gout, so one the few earthly pleasures
>> remaining to me on my road to martyrdom. Compared to me Simeon Stylites
>> lived a life of sybaritic esurience.
>>> 

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Re: Baboon antics

2017-12-05 Thread Ken Waller
There's a video on You Tube about some monkeys teasing otters, and finally 
getting all heck beaten out of them by the otters that have had enough of 
the monkeys taunting - it appears the otters won.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Alan C" 

Subject: OT: Baboon antics


Some of you may enjoy this.  Baboons don't like getting their feet wet. 
Taken from the Letaba River Bridge from which I have shown many photos. 
The same behaviour is often seen right in front of Letaba camp too.


http://www.wildcard.co.za/chacma-baboons-letaba-bridge-crossing-kruger/?utm_source=Wild+Card+HERO+2016_campaign=f8e3830a20-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_12_05_medium=email_term=0_e0ab6eba3f-f8e3830a20-54989061

Alan C



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Re: PESO - Garden Bench in the Morning

2017-12-05 Thread Rick Womer
Thanks, Dan. The dynamic range in the scene was huge, and took a fair
amount of tweaking in LR. This made the shadows a bit murky, but I
think it still works overall.

Rick

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> Wonderful light, peaceful mood.
>
>
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> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>
>> On my way to work, about a month ago:
>>
>> https://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/18431749-orig.jpg
>>
>> (K-5, FA 50/1.7)
>>
>> Comments appreciated!
>>
>> Rick
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PESOs the Funky Godfather

2017-12-05 Thread Larry Colen

I saw a friend's band play Saturday night.

A couple favorites from the set:

vocalist:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/24984381768/in/album-72157661300954507/

drummer:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/38826108572/in/album-72157661300954507/

If you want to see the whole set:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157661300954507




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Re: PESO: BF

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Thanks, Jack

Painted ladies are frustrating photographic  subjects.  The underside of
the wings are rather dull, while the upper surfaces much more interesting
and colorful.  Rxcept in flight, they almost always keep their wings
folded, even while feeding. Even when they do open their wings while on the
ground or a branch, it is only for a brief "twitch," making it almost
impossible to get a good image of the upper wing surface.  Swallowtails and
even Monarchs are more cooperative in this regard, although never easy.

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On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Jack Davis  wrote:

> Perhaps one of your best, Dan!
> J
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 3, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2017/12/3/bf
> >
> > K-5 IIs, FA 100 mm macro F 2.8
> > Comments are invited.
> >
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Re: Time to feed the kitty

2017-12-05 Thread Jan van Wijk
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 12:47:39 -0500 Doug Brewer wrote:
>
>
>Thanks to everyone who has donated so far, and if others wish to throw in, my 
>paypal address is d...@alphoto.com.

I just donated using that, keep up the good work!

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Re: Time to feed the kitty

2017-12-05 Thread Doug Brewer
I did, Dan, along with others. We're currently at $351.49, which will 
give us 4.6 more months if we're not charged for the extra bandwidth. 
I'll put in another ticket for them to take a look at our usage, which 
doesn't seem to me to be that much busier than usual.


Thanks to everyone who has donated so far, and if others wish to throw 
in, my paypal address is d...@alphoto.com.


A chicken with a message twist-tied to its shin will be dispatched shortly.

On 12/5/17 12:16 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Doug:
There seems to be some concern over whether the website for donations is
working or not.
Please confirm whether or not you received a donation from me.
Thanks, Dan


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On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Doug Brewer 
wrote:


Good morning, troops.

I've just used up the last few drachmae in the List Fund to pay for this
month's shenanigans. Please consider loosening your grip on your coin
purses and donating to the cause.

It costs $76.10 a month to keep the tubes open, so your generosity is
welcome and appreciated.

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Re: OT: Coffee

2017-12-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
MickeyD coffee is supplied by Gavina.. really good stuff, a gourmet roast. .  

Starbucks has some good roasts, but their standard "Pikes Place" drip blend is 
wretched crap. Their "Cafe Verona" is really good however.  

G

> On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:08 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> I HATE to eat at McDonald's, but their coffee is dependably quite good, all
> over the world.  Certainly better than StarBuck$.

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Re: Time to feed the kitty

2017-12-05 Thread Larry Colen



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Doug:
There seems to be some concern over whether the website for donations is
working or not.
Please confirm whether or not you received a donation from me.
Thanks, Dan


Paypal told me that it worked.




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I've just used up the last few drachmae in the List Fund to pay for this
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Re: Time to feed the kitty

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Doug:
There seems to be some concern over whether the website for donations is
working or not.
Please confirm whether or not you received a donation from me.
Thanks, Dan


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On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Doug Brewer 
wrote:

> Good morning, troops.
>
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> month's shenanigans. Please consider loosening your grip on your coin
> purses and donating to the cause.
>
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> welcome and appreciated.
>
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Re: OT: Coffee

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I HATE to eat at McDonald's, but their coffee is dependably quite good, all
over the world.  Certainly better than StarBuck$.

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On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 11:56 AM, John  wrote:

> Making your own coffee at home is great, because you can get it exactly the
> way you want it.
>
> OTOH, when you're miles & miles from home, nothing beats the McDonald's
> drive-thru
>
>
> On 12/5/2017 08:57, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>
>> On that subject, I recently received a very good espresso/coffee machine.
>>
>> https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/illy-reg-y3-2
>> -espresso-coffee-machine/3328580?skuId=61763098=PS_
>> googlepla_nonbrand_coffeetea_online_id=61763098&
>> adtype=pla_channel=online=1o4=
>> 224233276482=c==g=
>> 558372011=609_id=h-73354b0251f621c2c41ac0fdecf492
>> 33_t-1512482115=EAIaIQobChMIsIXx9oLz1wIViUsNCh0A9AQuEA
>> YYBCABEgIstPD_BwE
>>
>> It requires special capsules, and they are not cheap, but they are
>> extremely convenient, and inexpensive compared to buying coffee from
>> StarBuck or even Duncan Donuts.
>>
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>>
>> Coffee is good. It's one of the few real pleasures in life that actually
>>> helps prevent rather than induce gout, so one the few earthly pleasures
>>> remaining to me on my road to martyrdom. Compared to me Simeon Stylites
>>> lived a life of sybaritic esurience.
>>>
>>> On 4 Dec 2017, at 21:54, John  wrote:

 The article says it's some kind of meta-review of all the studies the

>>> BMJ found on the subject, so it's averaging all the good results & bad
>>> results together and the net result appears to be "Coffee Good!"
>>>

 On 12/4/2017 10:49, P. J. Alling wrote:
> Coffee is either very good for you or very bad for you, depending on
> the study.  I prefer to believe the studies that say it's very good
> for you, because well, I drink a lot of coffee.
> It puts me in mind of an old girlfriend who while puffing on a
> cigarette was complaining about how bad they were for you.  I
> suggested that she quit, and that I'd help all I could.  Her response
> was, and I quote; "I don't want to stop smoking, I just want it to be
> good for me."
>
>> On 11/23/2017 12:19 PM, John wrote:
>> BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.
>> http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278
>>
>


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Re: OT: Coffee

2017-12-05 Thread John

Making your own coffee at home is great, because you can get it exactly the
way you want it.

OTOH, when you're miles & miles from home, nothing beats the McDonald's
drive-thru


On 12/5/2017 08:57, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On that subject, I recently received a very good espresso/coffee machine.

https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/illy-reg-y3-2-espresso-coffee-machine/3328580?skuId=61763098=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_coffeetea_online_id=61763098=pla_channel=online=1o4=224233276482=c==g=558372011=609_id=h-73354b0251f621c2c41ac0fdecf49233_t-1512482115=EAIaIQobChMIsIXx9oLz1wIViUsNCh0A9AQuEAYYBCABEgIstPD_BwE

It requires special capsules, and they are not cheap, but they are
extremely convenient, and inexpensive compared to buying coffee from
StarBuck or even Duncan Donuts.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:


Coffee is good. It's one of the few real pleasures in life that actually
helps prevent rather than induce gout, so one the few earthly pleasures
remaining to me on my road to martyrdom. Compared to me Simeon Stylites
lived a life of sybaritic esurience.


On 4 Dec 2017, at 21:54, John  wrote:

The article says it's some kind of meta-review of all the studies the

BMJ found on the subject, so it's averaging all the good results & bad
results together and the net result appears to be "Coffee Good!"



On 12/4/2017 10:49, P. J. Alling wrote:
Coffee is either very good for you or very bad for you, depending on
the study.  I prefer to believe the studies that say it's very good
for you, because well, I drink a lot of coffee.
It puts me in mind of an old girlfriend who while puffing on a
cigarette was complaining about how bad they were for you.  I
suggested that she quit, and that I'd help all I could.  Her response
was, and I quote; "I don't want to stop smoking, I just want it to be
good for me."

On 11/23/2017 12:19 PM, John wrote:
BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278






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Re: Time to feed the kitty

2017-12-05 Thread Chris Mitchell
On 3 December 2017 at 19:20, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

> It is working now.
>
> Not for me it isn't. I sent via email address used on previous payment.

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Re: OT: Baboon antics

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Their evident joy is compelling, and the series is very well photographed
and presented.


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On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 2:02 AM, Alan C  wrote:

> Some of you may enjoy this.  Baboons don't like getting their feet wet.
> Taken from the Letaba River Bridge from which I have shown many photos. The
> same behaviour is often seen right in front of Letaba camp too.
>
> http://www.wildcard.co.za/chacma-baboons-letaba-bridge-cross
> ing-kruger/?utm_source=Wild+Card+HERO+2016_campaign=
> f8e3830a20-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_12_05_medium=email&
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Re: PESO Vanishing points

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Great control of perspective!

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On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Rob Studdert 
wrote:

> This is a pic that I shot a couple of weeks back, I escaped into the
> city with a camera and just shot whatever took my eye. I'm so busy
> shooting other peoples stuff that I don't get to shoot for myself all
> that much these days. The shot worked in colour but it's better in B
> I think (apologies to FB users that may have already seen the pic)
> EXIF top left
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Re: OT: Coffee

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On that subject, I recently received a very good espresso/coffee machine.

https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/store/product/illy-reg-y3-2-espresso-coffee-machine/3328580?skuId=61763098=PS_googlepla_nonbrand_coffeetea_online_id=61763098=pla_channel=online=1o4=224233276482=c==g=558372011=609_id=h-73354b0251f621c2c41ac0fdecf49233_t-1512482115=EAIaIQobChMIsIXx9oLz1wIViUsNCh0A9AQuEAYYBCABEgIstPD_BwE

It requires special capsules, and they are not cheap, but they are
extremely convenient, and inexpensive compared to buying coffee from
StarBuck or even Duncan Donuts.

Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> Coffee is good. It's one of the few real pleasures in life that actually
> helps prevent rather than induce gout, so one the few earthly pleasures
> remaining to me on my road to martyrdom. Compared to me Simeon Stylites
> lived a life of sybaritic esurience.
>
> > On 4 Dec 2017, at 21:54, John  wrote:
> >
> > The article says it's some kind of meta-review of all the studies the
> BMJ found on the subject, so it's averaging all the good results & bad
> results together and the net result appears to be "Coffee Good!"
> >
> >> On 12/4/2017 10:49, P. J. Alling wrote:
> >> Coffee is either very good for you or very bad for you, depending on
> >> the study.  I prefer to believe the studies that say it's very good
> >> for you, because well, I drink a lot of coffee.
> >> It puts me in mind of an old girlfriend who while puffing on a
> >> cigarette was complaining about how bad they were for you.  I
> >> suggested that she quit, and that I'd help all I could.  Her response
> >> was, and I quote; "I don't want to stop smoking, I just want it to be
> >> good for me."
> >>> On 11/23/2017 12:19 PM, John wrote:
> >>> BBC website has a story that coffee may be good for you.
> >>> http://www.bbc.com/news/health-42081278
> >
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Re: PESO - Garden Bench in the Morning

2017-12-05 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Wonderful light, peaceful mood.


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On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 9:36 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

> On my way to work, about a month ago:
>
> https://d6d2h4gfvy8t8.cloudfront.net/18431749-orig.jpg
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Re: OT: Baboon antics

2017-12-05 Thread Jack Davis
Enjoyed, Alan!
Thanks for posting.

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Some of you may enjoy this.  Baboons don't like getting their feet wet. Taken 
> from the Letaba River Bridge from which I have shown many photos. The same 
> behaviour is often seen right in front of Letaba camp too.
> 
> http://www.wildcard.co.za/chacma-baboons-letaba-bridge-crossing-kruger/?utm_source=Wild+Card+HERO+2016_campaign=f8e3830a20-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_12_05_medium=email_term=0_e0ab6eba3f-f8e3830a20-54989061
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Re: PESO Vanishing points

2017-12-05 Thread Alan C
I eventually figured that out. Some lifeboats - more like survival capsules! 
They've come a long way since the Titanic.


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-Original Message- 
From: Rob Studdert

Sent: 5 December, 2017 9:44 AM
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Indeed, I missed the hint, lifeboats they are.



On 5 December 2017 at 18:09, John  wrote:

I think he means the life boats.

On 12/5/2017 01:18, Rob Studdert wrote:


Hi Alan,

Yes that's an exceedingly large cruise ship,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Explorer_of_the_Seas

The awnings are a part of the passenger terminal's public viewing area.

Cheers,


On 5 December 2017 at 15:47, Alan C  wrote:


Rob, that's an intriguing photo. Is that a giant cruise ship on the
left?
If
so, what are those protruding caravan like things above the people?

Alan C

-Original Message- From: Rob Studdert
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Subject: PESO Vanishing points


This is a pic that I shot a couple of weeks back, I escaped into the
city with a camera and just shot whatever took my eye. I'm so busy
shooting other peoples stuff that I don't get to shoot for myself all
that much these days. The shot worked in colour but it's better in B
I think (apologies to FB users that may have already seen the pic)
EXIF top left

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bo4xz7gqerjcyna/001_IMGZ03277-HDR_exif.jpg?dl=0

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