Re: What's the difference between SMC-A SMCP-A
The P stands for Pentax, can you spell Pentax, P E N T A X. I knew you could. Seriously they are the same lens. Just that for some the manufacture is understood. The actually name of the lens is smc PENTAX-A 1:4-5.6 35-80mm as mentioned here: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/zooms/medium/A35-80f4-5.6.html Gary wrote: While looking for some info on my SMC-A 35-80/4-5.6 I came across the same lens with the designation SMCP-A. What's the difference? What does the P designate? Thanks, Gary -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: GESO
Not necessarily true, at least about the selling part, the US military has the option to buy the excess equipment, the money then goes into escrow until the dispute between the US and whoever is resolved. The Cole was originally destined for the Shaw of Iran's navy, before the revolution IIRC. It's I'd rather owe you than cheat you, codified into law... Graywolf wrote: Apparently you do not understand beaucracy. They can not send back the money that is even more of an offense than sending him the aircraft. So the aircraft belong to him, but can not be delivered. The money belongs to them, but they can not spend it. And of course they can not sell the aircraft to someone else. We had a name for this kind of situation when I was in the Air Force, we called it a Cluster *. * a four letter word meaning fornicate (obvious question here). graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: cbwaters Subject: GESO We got to see a couple C130s that belong to Libya but have been parked here in Georgia since they were constructed several years ago. Apparently, Mr. Qadhafi ordered and paid for the cargo planes but he was placed on the naughty list (WELL in advance of their designation as a member of the AXIS of EVIL) before they could be delivered. Did they refund his money? William Robb -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: What's the difference between SMC-A SMCP-A
Just noticed that actually should be actual, (damned spell checker). John Forbes wrote: If you just put SMC, people might think you mean Santa Monica Colege, that well-known lens manufacturer. On the other hand, if you put SMCP, people will know you mean Pentax, unless of course they think you mean Sport Medisch Centrum Papendal, who also make fine lenses, as everybody knows. So you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. John On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 11:58:03 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The P stands for Pentax, can you spell Pentax, P E N T A X. I knew you could. Seriously they are the same lens. Just that for some the manufacture is understood. The actually name of the lens is smc PENTAX-A 1:4-5.6 --- 35-80mm as mentioned here: http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/zooms/medium/A35-80f4-5.6.html Gary wrote: While looking for some info on my SMC-A 35-80/4-5.6 I came across the same lens with the designation SMCP-A. What's the difference? What does the P designate? Thanks, Gary -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Enablement Dilemma
D-FA 100mm and 50mm macros, DA 14mm, DA 40mm, not real earth shattering but the did release them. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Seems like just about all the new lenses are zooms ... what primes has Pentax released recently? Shel [Original Message] From: Paul Stenquist I love the DA 16-45, but I haven't used the Tamron. Remember also that Pentax is going to release a DA 12-25. That will provide an ultra wide digital alternative. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor
Pedant. Paul Stenquist wrote: Bob wins. Nonsense isn't an English sentence. However, Damn is a complete sentence if the word da,m is used as a verb and the doer of the action is an understood you. On Apr 16, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Bob W wrote: Hi, It's pretty hard to parse a one word sentence. Nonsense! At least you give more than one syllable to work with. Damn. -- Cheers, Bob -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: ist-D Focus Woes, Please Help!
I don't suspect the mirror, autofocus is as dependent on the mirror as is manual focus. However the autofocus in Pentax cameras is below the mirror and follows a different light path than the view through the pentaprism. I suspect that the ground glass is in a different effective plane than the autofocus sensor and both are out of sync with the sensor. Paul Stenquist wrote: Hmmm. Well, the autofocus shots are a lot closer than the manual focus shots. Other than that, it's hard to draw many conclusions from this. I guess you should have your camera checked out. It seems to be causing you a lot of problems and aggravation. Since the autofocus shots are closer than the manual, I suppose the mirror is a suspect. Have you ever dropped the camera? Paul On Apr 16, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Don Sanderson wrote: http://www.donsauction.com/pdml/50web/index.htm This is a small gallery of 11 shots I took this morning. The last one (FocusPoint.jpg) shows the point I had the camera, in spot focus mode, aimed at. The first 5 (141-145.jpg) are manually focused shots taken with the A50/1.4 at 1/2000 and 1.4. The next 5 are taken with the FA50/1.7 at 1/2000 and 1.7. I allowed this lens to autofocus. Mounted on a solid tripod, on concrete, 2sec mirror prefire. Focus wanders all over. Technique the same for all, hold my hand in front of the 1.7 to de-focus, allow it to focus and shoot. The 1.4 I manually de-focused, re-focused and shot. Shot as large .jpg, cropped and 'auto-levels' in PS Elements. No sharpening in-camera or in PS. Gallery created in Elements. This seems to happen frequently with any 50mm or shorter lens, especially wide open. The problem is probably just more evident with shallow DOF. ***ALL of the shots looked sharp in the viewfinder!*** If they didn't because AF 'missed' I de-focused and tried again. Any ideas? I thought maybe the mirror wasn't returning properly each time, throwing the viewfinder image off, that doesn't look to be possible though. *HELP Don -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Gone Again and a GFM note
The French and Germans governments are trying to do something in law they were never able to do with military force, because the British always managed to stop them. Bob W wrote: Hi, [...] I personally do not see what is the big outcry about passports. You intend to vote, you register to vote. You intend to drive a vehicle, you get a driver's licence. You intend to travel to another country, you get a passport. Acquiring the appropriate documents to do certain things has been a fact of life, worldwide, for a very long time now -- and passports in particular are nothing new. [...] We're trying to do away with them in Yurp. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO PAW - Antique Movie Prop
That is just so beautifully awful... Shel Belinkoff wrote: Saw this as I was driving by a most unusual shop filled with odd antiques and old movie props and paraphernalia. This was leaning against a wall in the shop driveway, and I immediately turned around, parked the car, and grabbed a couple of shots with a little PS I had with me. Some time later I went back when the light was more appropriate for the scene and got this rendition. It sure loses detail when scanned and resized. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/prop.html Tech details: Pentax MX, K35/3.5 @ 5.6, Fuji Reala, Nikon Coolscan V, Photoshop CS, Springbank 21 Shel -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO - Dimples
I second Shel, Aaaw. Bruce Dayton wrote: Hello pentax-discuss, I was needing to test the A 28-135/4 lens for suitability for some of my wedding and portrait work. So I requested my 4 year old daughter to help me out. She can be a ham at times, but is a good sport. I do like the rendering this lens has on skin - reasonably sharp, but not harsh. Any thoughts you have would be appreciated. Pentax *istD, A 28-135/4 near 100-135mm ISO 400, 1/250 sec @ f/5.6 http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1790.htm Converted from Raw to 16 bit Tiff with Capture One LE and sized/sharpened for web with BreezeBrowser Pro. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: Natural World
Just remember to keep telling yourself that Frank. frank theriault wrote: On 4/14/05, John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank, spelling! Your photos are really pretty, and they're really good. Of course they are. I was just joking around. vbg cheers, frank -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Pentax KX meter problem
I've never opened a KX but if it's like an MX it's under the bottom plate. John Whittingham wrote: If that's not it then the power switch that closes when the shutter release is pressed part way may not be contacting and need a cleaning. That would be under the top plate, yes? John -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Hurrah for Shel Disrobing the Emperor
I don't think that the powers that be take the total number of computers sold and divide into the population. Estimates are done with questionnaires and statistical extrapolation. (I wouldn't have any computers at all since I build my own and use many cast off parts from friends and clients if only store bought counted). IIRC the actual estimate of households with computers is closer to 75-80%. Heck even my mother has a computer, and a more unlikely soul never existed. Graywolf wrote: Yep, it is easier to send prints to grandma. It is easier to pass prints around for your friends to look at. Prints are really the only reason slides and video never became the mainstream snapshot media. Also, folks on this list, seem to forget that 1/2 the people in this country do not own computers, and 75+% of the people in the world do not have them. Come to think of it since most of us here own maybe 5 computers what does that do for that 1 computer per 2 people statistic? I took some film into Wal-Marts the other day (the local one has downsized the minilab to about 1/3 its area BTW), the nice girl there said she had a hard time getting the yellow out of my prints. She did a good job though as the tan hat in the photos came out neutral gray... graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Jostein wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, it's about economics, not quality. Even more so in the consumer market, because you don't ever need to have a picture printed again. Many, many people are happy with viewing their pictures on the camera LCD. Add the ones who look at them on a computer monitor and you have the great majority of the modern camera buying public. The economic repercussions of this in the photographic marketplace have only just begun. Dunno Mike, I think if you drop the print from the consumer equation, you're basically into the realm of home video where stills will loose against moving pictures any day. I think that most of the consumers still shoot stills with a print in mind. Jostein -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Pentax KX meter problem
I know. John Whittingham wrote: I've never opened a KX but if it's like an MX it's under the bottom plate. Oh please let it be under the bottom plate, it would make life much simpler. John -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO - Takeoff
Close enough... Bruce Dayton wrote: This morning when going on my walk, I decided to take the K 200/2.5 out. As I was walking up on this scene, there was a hawk perched on a signpost. I set the exposure using the green button technique way in advance, knowing that I would have to act fast if he took off. Now I was wishing for the 400mm instead of this 200. Just couldn't get close enough before he did take flight. Pentax *istD, Pentax K 200/2.5 ISO 200, 1/1000 sec, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1762a.htm Converted from Raw to 16 bit Tiff using Capture One LE. Cropped in PictureWindow Pro. Sized/sharpened for web using BreezeBrowser Pro. Comments welcome -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO Natural World II
Wasn't Natural World smart aleck enough? Kenneth Waller wrote: ...so this turtle swims into a pond and tells the other turtle, I sure am TIREd. couldn't resist. The image just begs for a smart aleck title. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Apr 14, 2005 12:42 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: PESO Natural World II Another turtle shot. Same location. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_nature2.html As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored... Technical: Pentax *ist-D/ iso 200/shutter speed 1/350sec. smc-PENTAX-F 70-210mm/210mm/f6.7. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Pentax KX meter problem
Sadly the KX meter is a one of a kind. I think you can use Spotmatic F, K1000 and KM meters interchangeably (I may be wrong about the KM). The KX was a whole other bird. John Whittingham wrote: My experience is that the meter electronics is the weak link of the KX. It's not *much* of a weak link - they aren't exactly dropping like flies - but I've seen more KX's with dead meters than any other Pentax I've known. If the worst comes to the worst I'll use it with an external meter I guess, but first I think I'll take a closer look, thanks for the information though. Is there anything I could salvage the parts from, K1000?, or is it impossible to tell without a schematic? John -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: Daffodils
When you crop a fisheye shot to APS size it's not really a fisheye anymore, though the Pentax 17mm f4 shows a good deal more distortion than the Sigma Amita used IIRC. frank theriault wrote: On 4/11/05, Amita Guha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The daffodils are in bloom finally! http://sunny16.smugmug.com/gallery/478517 Amita When one gets a fisheye, it must be used!! (I just used mine for non-traditional fisheye shots this past weekend g). I like this one. The OOF bits of the main subject don't bother me at all. In fact I think they're kinda cool. Had you not mentioned it was a fisheye I'd have never known. Nice shot! cheers, frank -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: 50mm lenses test pages: help with japanese translation
You're right about the M50 1.7 Shel, it was the replacement for the [K]55 1.8. I'm not sure that the M50 1.4 would be called a major redesign, (except for the mechanics that is), but all of the tooling had to be changed which along with improvements in coatings may account for some difference in results. Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi Godfrey, I doubt it. The M series was a major redesign from the K, and the look I get from the K50/1.4 and the M50/1.4 is different. As far as I can recall,, there was never a K50/1.7, so your comment doesn't seem right on that point, either. Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi the M and K should be identical optically, the A, F and FA versions identical optically. I've never owned any other Pentax 50/1.4 so I can't compare. The f/1.7 versions are supposed to be the same, optically, from the K through the FA. I know the A and F versions render identically. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
PESO: Natural World
Took the dog out for a walk, brought the camera, the turtles are out it must be spring... Cropped about 30%. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_nature.html As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. Tech. Info. Pentax *ist-D/ iso 200/shutter speed 1/350sec. smc-PENTAX-F 70-210mm/210mm/f6.7. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: Natural World
Well I've gotten enough comments about this being over exposed so I decided to give it a little rework. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_nature1a.html Just a few minor adjustments to brightness, and a bit more contrast. frank theriault wrote: On 4/13/05, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Took the dog out for a walk, brought the camera, the turtles are out it must be spring... Cropped about 30%. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_nature.html As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. Like it. It could be a poster or ad for an environmental group like Greenpeace or something. Poor little turkles (as my sister used to call them, like, 40 years ago - she'd kill me if she knew I said that g). Surviving amid all that crap and garbage. Mind you, those poor little turkles will likely be here after the nuclear winter, after 50% of the present land-mass is submerged beneath the melting ice-caps, after the sun goes nova and burns off all the water on our surface, they'll be plodding along... Anyway, nice photo. Focus, composition, all that photo stuff, it's all there. It seems maybe just a teensy bit overexposed? Or is that just me? cheers, frank -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
PESO Natural World II
Another turtle shot. Same location. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_nature2.html As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored... Technical: Pentax *ist-D/ iso 200/shutter speed 1/350sec. smc-PENTAX-F 70-210mm/210mm/f6.7. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
PESO -- Natural World III
Yea, yea, I'm milking this but just one more. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_nature3.html Technical: Pentax *ist-D/ iso 200/shutter speed 1/90sec. smc-PENTAX-F 70-210mm/210mm/f8.0 -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: A pic from second roll of film in MX
Peter Williams wrote: -Original Message- From: Doug Franklin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You're being immortalized in code! It's sort of the 21st century version of being immortalized in song. :-) I'm a williams and I'm OK, I photograph all day and I sleep all night, How could anyone write doggerel worse than the original... -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: End of Contax-Kyocera
It was only a matter of time... Thibouille wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0504/05041201contaxend.asp -- Thibouille -- Z1,SuperA,KX,MX,P30t and KR-10x ... -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: A pic from second roll of film in MX
My IBM-360/370 assembly language class project was to build a SNOBOL compiler. (It's not like I chose to do that, it was required of everyone...) Doug Franklin wrote: On Tue, 12 Apr 2005 08:24:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well none of the above makes any sense to me except that I *know* SNO-BOL is a toilet cleaner. It's also an early 1960's programming language that focuses on processing strings and doing pattern matching. An early name for it was SEXI (String EXtraction Interpreter). One implementation was called SPITBOL. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: A pic from second roll of film in MX
Hell, I don't remember, it's been 23 years... Herb Chong wrote: did you use tab or space as concatenate operator? Herb... - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: Re: A pic from second roll of film in MX My IBM-360/370 assembly language class project was to build a SNOBOL compiler. (It's not like I chose to do that, it was required of everyone...) -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: OT: Warning about Nigeria Buyer
Actually the truly amazing thing is that anyone would actually fall for any of them... Joseph Tainter wrote: Thanks for the warning, Richard. Interesting how Nigerians have become international scam specialists. Joe -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Careening Wildly OT: was [Re: A pic from second roll of film in MX]
I had a professor who had his entire programming output on Hollerith cards. His reasoning was that they were more stable than magnetic tape. I wonder if he kept a reader... Herb Chong wrote: i have some of my programming assignments from that time. threw out the card decks after a few years, but some listings still. Herb - Original Message - From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: A pic from second roll of film in MX Hell, I don't remember, it's been 23 years... -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: OT: Warning about Nigeria Buyer
I think I'd spray paint the brick a nice gold color Gonz wrote: Putting a brick in a box and slapping the FEDEX Label otta do it. rg Richard Chu wrote: I just want to share a recent experience with everyone so that you folks are aware of this type of fraud. I advertised a digital camera for sale in the Recycler.com, which I believe is a southern California circulation for mostly private individuals selling used items (some businesses also sell new items in this paper). The Recycler ads are also posted at their website. I have sold several items (bicycle, cameras, computer printers, etc.) to local buyers through this method. Usually the buyer and I would meet at an agreed location to complete the transaction. I got several emails from people who are interested in buying the camera. I followed up with the first interested party and was told that this lady was from Michigan. She agreed to send me a Western Union money order and got my mailing address. I subsequently received an email that appeared to be a confirmation email from Western Union that a money order should arrive in 4-7 days. The lady told me that she would take care of the shipping cost and would send me a FEDEX label. She also told me to go ahead and drop off the package once I receive the confirmation email from Western Union. I told her to go ahead and send me that label but I would only send the package after I receive the money order. She emailed me the label for a Nigerian address and also arranged FEDEX to pick up the package from my house. I wasn't at home when FEDEX came and told her again that I would not release the package until I receive the payment. Later I got another email from her stating that she had put the payment on hold since I had not released the package. An email supposedly from Western Union arrived stating that the payment had been witheld until I release the package. I have sent a copy of the Western Union email to Western Union for verification. I did some research in the internet and found a lot of stories about frauds with ties to Nigeria. I also got two other emails about buying my camera and both also said that they want to send the camera to either a brother or a husband in Africa. So please be aware. __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: A pic from second roll of film in MX
Ok in C.
int main()
{
int i;
for ( i = 0; i 100; i++ )
printf( He is not William.\n );
return 0;
}
Done.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Thanks, William. I'll look for it.
I'm not William ;-)
I'm Peter Williams.
Write out 100 times:
He is not William.
This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au
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I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war.
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
--P.J. O'Rourke
Re: A pic from second roll of film in MX
If you think this is amusing wait till you see Doug's...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Ok in C.
int main()
{
int i;
for ( i = 0; i 100; i++ )
printf( He is not William.\n );
return 0;
}
Very amusing :-)
This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war.
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
--P.J. O'Rourke
Re: One for the Gipper
Funny, I was reading a review in a digital photo mag., the author seemed to think that the D70 had the superior viewfinder. Humm... (Not in my experience...) Bruce Dayton wrote: A friend of mine asked for help in picking a DSLR. She has been using a Nikon N75 with 28-80 zoom to date. Prior to that she was using an old Canon FD mount body. When she talked to me, she was just about ready to buy the D70 based on internet hype and the local store being a strong Nikon seller. We discussed what she wanted to do with the camera now and in the not too distant future. Her indication was that, besides family/kid memories, she had started into portraiture and wanted to continue that direction. So with that in mind, I discussed and worked with her on the angle of manually focusing and composing. She is a convert away from AF for this type of work now. So suddenly the quality of the viewfinder became very important. The ability to clearly compose and focus on the matte screen became among her most important features of the camera. I sent her around to look at the D70, RebelXT, Evolt and DS bodies with this in mind. She came back and reported the order of usability of the viewfinder for the stated purpose as Pentax *istDS Canon RebelXT Olympus Evolt Nikon D70 Yesterday I stopped at the local store and tried the D70 and *istDS side by side with 50mm lenses on each. The D70 was barely usable (I would hate it) and the *istDS was clearly better for this. So today she picked up her brand new *istDS. I was very pleased that someone would get past the hype and really pick something that would work best for what they wanted to do. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: The Stools by the Window
I'll second that. William Robb wrote: Would have been better with girls wearing thongs. b.. - Original Message - From: frank theriault Subject: PAW: The Stools by the Window -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: April PUG (looooong)
You have to get close. frank theriault wrote: On Apr 5, 2005 10:03 PM, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Frank, Black Towers: Cool. Gotta get me a fisheye someday...snip Thanks, Rick. Yup, the fisheye is a fun lens. I have find a way to get more people in there - it's just that the people are so small with that lens! vbg Thanks for the comment, both on my photo and the whole gallery. cheers, frank -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Missing...
In case anyone wonders why I haven't been on the list of late, I had a paying gig for most of the last two weeks that kept me busy and out of touch, then my Win2K server decided to go tits up. (Near as I can tell the mother board is completely fried). Since it was the only machine that could be connected to the internet, for various technical reasons, I was SOL. I've reconfigured and I'm now off to find a replacement MB. I've got 5588 messages in my mailbox... -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Missing...
Cotty wrote: On 9/4/05, Peter J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: In case anyone wonders why I haven't been on the list of late, I had a paying gig for most of the last two weeks that kept me busy and out of touch, then my Win2K server decided to go tits up. (Near as I can tell the mother board is completely fried). Since it was the only machine that could be connected to the internet, for various technical reasons, I was SOL. I've reconfigured and I'm now off to find a replacement MB. I've got 5588 messages in my mailbox... You were gone? I'd actually be amazed if anyone noticed... Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem
I wrote off list to this bozo but I was not particularly threatening. If he took it that way, I will wash my hands of him. If he would like I will post my off list message, with one small excision. It was off list because I used a four letter word to get his attention. I will also post my follow up to his reply to me. I am losing patience with most of the a**h***s who post political sniping, trying to keep it just enough below the radar so it won't cause a real reaction. Ok, I admit, sometimes I'm an a**h*** but only because I get drawn in. Well, get over it. I'm trying very hard to keep out of this crap, but I'm argumentative by nature. You can't convince anyone on a mailing list of the rightness of your cause and you'll only piss off the other side, and annoy any innocent bystanders. mike wilson wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:18:20 -0500, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is *not* the place for political discussion. Thank you, John. As usual, someone else states my intention much more tactfully than I. My apologies for any incitement. Did _you_ get a threatening missive off-list? I've just had a very interesting glimpse inot someone's psyche. m -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: BOA's Gallery off Boz gone awry?
Looks like it was always posted by ATT. Seems it's gone off line, or changed providers. Lindamood, Mark wrote: Has anyone besides me noticed that the link to BOA's Gallery off of Boz's site now links to an ATT site? -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
It sounds good. I'm not sure how to phrase the theme. Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Peter this looks more like an example of the language barrier than an exapmle of strange sense of humor. BTW, this would be a nice PUG theme, what do you think? greetings Markus My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: My Cotty worked!
To cotty doesn't exactly translate to build in my not so humble opinion... Cotty wrote: On 20/3/05, Don Sanderson, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.donsauction.com/pdml/MyCotty.jpg It fits nicely on the ist-D too but I couldn't figure out how to take a shot of the D, with the D. ;-) Sorry I didn't record it for you Cotty but I said a couple 'naughty' words when I slipped. So far I have become a noun and a verb. I aspire to be an adjective of course, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Sorry - Rome wasn't Cottied in a day Good work Don, Gold Star for you :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
Keith Whaley wrote: Graywolf wrote: The derogatorily term turkey is a corruption of turnkey and has to do with prison guards in merry old England and not birds. However your pun was understood. If I may, that assumption (a corruption of turnkey) turns out to not be true. Back in the Greek and Roman days, what was later to be called a Guinea fowl and eventually our turkey, was called Meleagris. Some confusion exists because there are several varieties of Guinea fowl, some frrom Africa as well. The Guinea fowl name came from the fact that this genus (Meleagris galloparo) was originally imported to Portugal from New Guinea, which was a Turkish territory back then. Over time, the bird's name became commonly known as a Turkey. How long the North American turkey was here, and from where it came specifically, I don't know, but the above history is true. Sorry that's wrong. See: http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_turkey_learning_kit.htm#Q1 keith Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a Turkey, Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category You are what you eat. [...] -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: OT Stop bath
Well it is an acid, which type are you getting. The most common is the same as acidic acid which is only concentrated vinegar, the other I know of is biodegradable citric acid based from Ilford. Maybe they'll ship the latter and not the former? Scott Loveless wrote: Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just now. Adorama doesn't seem to have a problem letting me add it to my cart. The Camera Store says it must be shipped as a hazardous material and will incur additional charges. Is this something new, or I have I been out of the loop for too long? -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: OT Stop bath
Scott Loveless wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:41:37 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/21 Mon PM 02:44:04 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: OT Stop bath Anybody know anything about shipping stop bath. BH won't do it just now. Adorama doesn't seem to have a problem letting me add it to my cart. The Camera Store says it must be shipped as a hazardous material and will incur additional charges. Is this something new, or I have I been out of the loop for too long? Go to your local pharmacist or grocer and buy some spirit vinegar. Not malt. It's the same thing. Really?!?!? How would one go about diluting it? mike Simple white vinegar is usually 5% out of the bottle, you shouldn't have to dilute it. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
The Domesticated turkey is in not related to the Guinea foul or imported from New Guinea, as you stated. it was: 1) Native to North and South America. 2.) Domesticated by the Aztecs. 3.) Brought to Iberia by the Conquistadors, 4.) Spread throughout Eurasia by trade and made it's way to England. 5.) Re-introduced to the New World by the English settlers after being renamed for various not particularly certain reasons the Turkey. You were totally wrong and you obviously didn't even read the section I quoted. The only part you got even close to right was how it was probably named. If I were grading you in College you'd get a F. I'd give you a lower one for arrogance but they don't get lower. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: [...] The Guinea fowl name came from the fact that this genus (Meleagris galloparo) was originally imported to Portugal from New Guinea, which was a Turkish territory back then. Over time, the bird's name became commonly known as a Turkey. How long the North American turkey was here, and from where it came specifically, I don't know, but the above history is true. Sorry that's wrong. See: http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_turkey_learning_kit.htm#Q1 Wrong? All I see is a massive elaboration and coloration of most of my comments. The only thing that URL didn't address was my unoriginal thesis that the name came about as a result of the Portuguese importation from New Guinea, a territory of Turkey. For refutation of any of those contentions, you'll have to take it up with the authors of The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology, The Oxford Universisty Press, London, the source I used. keith whaley keith Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a Turkey, Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category You are what you eat. [...] -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: OT Stop bath
Sure, go to any grocery store and get Pure white vinegar, it's just acidic acid and water. Probably fewer containments than if you mix your stop bath with tap water. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't know what kind of shipping restrictions there might be on stop bath. I just buy it at my local camera store. It's not very expensive. However, if you're in a rural area, I suppose that could be a problem. If I run out of stop bath, I just shorten my development time by about 10 seconds and use a 30-second water bath after the developer. The results seem identical, and the fixer life seems to be about the same. Not that I do bw developing at all these days, but I've been wondering since back when I *did* do it -- as a point of interest, is there any variety of vinegar pure enough to substitute or to prepare a substitute? since it's effectively the same chemical? ERNR -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: OT Stop bath
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 11:39:47 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not that I do bw developing at all these days, but I've been wondering since back when I *did* do it -- as a point of interest, is there any variety of vinegar pure enough to substitute or to prepare a substitute? since it's effectively the same chemical? ERNR I just got an email off-list about this. Basically, the understanding is that white vinegar (spirit not malt) is about 4-5% acetic acid. A 1+1 dilution with distilled water should produce the proper strength for use. It's much less complicated than overpaying to ship stop bath. Rather wishing I'd known this several years ago, but oh well. You would lose the indicator that typically comes in stop bath, but I'm sure there's a workaround for that, too. Those nice indicator strips, maybe? Surely, not being liquid, those aren't hazardous :-) ERNR I believe you can buy the indicator separately. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
I looked for a second source for what I knew to be true rather than just baldly asserting something as fact. The Mass. site is wordy but authoritative. That doesn't seem to be particularly arrogant to me. If I'd been wrong I would have simply have corrected my knowledge. I've accepted Greywolf's derivation of the derogatory use of turkey, if only provisionally, even though I've never heard it before. I couldn't find any references in a cursory examination, it's at least as correct as anything I've heard before. You on the other hand assumed that you were right no matter what. This is especially bad since your facts were wrong. That's arrogance. I'm glad you're not my doctor or lawyer. Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: The Domesticated turkey is in not related to the Guinea foul or imported from New Guinea, as you stated. it was: 1) Native to North and South America. 2.) Domesticated by the Aztecs. 3.) Brought to Iberia by the Conquistadors, 4.) Spread throughout Eurasia by trade and made it's way to England. 5.) Re-introduced to the New World by the English settlers after being renamed for various not particularly certain reasons the Turkey. You were totally wrong and you obviously didn't even read the section I quoted. Totally? Sighhh. Quite frankly, I read only enough to determine how close Massachussets got to what the Oxford Dictionary related. I read enough to tell they were very close (I interepret things a little differently from you...) so I stopped and closed the URL. No need to read it all. I don't have a final grade hanging on the whims of a self-important professor. Thank god those days are over. The only part you got even close to right was how it was probably named. If I were grading you in College you'd get a F. I'd give you a lower one for arrogance but they don't get lower. Peter Alling calling ME arrogant? It is to laugh... 'Bye! keith Keith Whaley wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: [...] The Guinea fowl name came from the fact that this genus (Meleagris galloparo) was originally imported to Portugal from New Guinea, which was a Turkish territory back then. Over time, the bird's name became commonly known as a Turkey. How long the North American turkey was here, and from where it came specifically, I don't know, but the above history is true. Sorry that's wrong. See: http://www.mass.gov/dfwele/dfw/dfw_turkey_learning_kit.htm#Q1 Wrong? All I see is a massive elaboration and coloration of most of my comments. The only thing that URL didn't address was my unoriginal thesis that the name came about as a result of the Portuguese importation from New Guinea, a territory of Turkey. For refutation of any of those contentions, you'll have to take it up with the authors of The Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology, The Oxford Universisty Press, London, the source I used. keith whaley keith Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful? graywolf Peter J. Alling wrote: My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a Turkey, Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category You are what you eat. [...] -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: OT Stop bath
A lot of this is rule of thumb engineering. Kodak is a repository of a lot of early research, which they've been refining for 100 years. I usually aim for about 3% myself. Scott Loveless wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 13:09:47 -0500, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simple white vinegar is usually 5% out of the bottle, you shouldn't have to dilute it. You are correct, sir. According to the MSDS from Kodak, indicator stop is between 1-5% acetic acid when properly diluted. The concentrate is 85-90% acid. Kodak says a 1:63 dilution. This means that if you properly dilute the stuff you should end up with a solution that is about 1.4% acid. Don't ask me where they learnt their cypherin', but I'm guessing Kodak's got some sloppy researchers mixing stop. Anyway, vinegar with 5% acid should be used 1+3 if you wanted to maintain Kodak's prefered dilution. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: My Cotty worked!
Don Sanderson wrote: Hey! Quit pickin' on my brother. (Cotty, you my bigger or littler bro?) If we combine names we'd be Dotty or Con, what's that tell ya? That's what my spell checker thinks it should be... Don -Original Message- From: Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 11:30 AM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: My Cotty worked! Cotty wrote on 3/21/2005, 12:06 PM: On 21/3/05, Peter J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: To cotty doesn't exactly translate to build in my not so humble opinion... I'll submit to that. Okay more of a buiddle - build and muddle :-) or in geek speak: hack or more appropriately, kluge :-) -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: OT Stop bath
Damn spell checker... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The most common is the same as acidic acid which is only concentrated vinegar, It'd be a funny sort of acid that wasn't acidic ;-) You must mean acetic, which is the vinegar/stop bath kind. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO - Pair
Very nice, good rendition, good exposure, just enough depth of field. Very nice. Bruce Dayton wrote: This was taken of small wildflowers that are now blooming in the fields. Pentax *istD, A 70-210/4 ISO 400, 1/500 sec @ f/5.6, Handheld http://www.daytonphoto.com/PAW/bkd_1417.htm Comments welcome Bruce -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: 1st day of spring in East Gwillimbury
That looks amazingly cold for spring... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/springday.jpg View from the horse show Sunday. Welcome to spring in the Great White North.:-) Dave -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO foggy harbour
This is just beautiful, I hate you, (Frank, make a note). Francis wrote: Good evening every one! I developed my first batch of slides yesterday! (a hundred and fifty dollars! @#^% ) Here is one of the best ones (in my opinion). http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/boatsea-gulls.html Taken with my P3n and some no-name screw mount 28mm. All comments appreciated (even the ones I don't get around to relying to ;-\ ). Francis P.S. In case you were wondering this is a REAL photo, no post processing (aside from dusting off the hair balls and trying to get the colors to match the slide (hopeless)) -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO Water on fire
Ditto. David Nelson wrote: Great Pic. I hate you. q-: David Francis wrote: Another boat pic I was trying halfheartedly to frame the sunset when this friend of ours sailed onto the scene. From that point on I was franticly running up and down the beach snapping away. :) http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/water-on-fire.html P3n K200mm 1:2.5 hand held. No color enhancement. All comments and critiques appreciated Francis -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
PESO -- You are what you eat.
Well enough of the people pictures for now. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html Technical data: Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO Water on fire
I guess it does look like that, but if I were a betting man I'd say Catboat. Graywolf wrote: A ketch rigged junk graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Francis wrote: Another boat pic I was trying halfheartedly to frame the sunset when this friend of ours sailed onto the scene. From that point on I was franticly running up and down the beach snapping away. :) http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/water-on-fire.html P3n K200mm 1:2.5 hand held. No color enhancement. All comments and critiques appreciated Francis -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: 1st Day of Spring in Eastern Massachusetts
Nice shot, I'm a sucker for this kind of picture if it's well done... Jim Hemenway wrote: About 10 miles NE of Boston http://www.hemenway.com/1stDayofSpring-05/pages/TwistedTree.htm isDS with 43mm Limited -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a Turkey, Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category You are what you eat. Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one. (Not nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it). The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground. I actually made the photograph with this crop in mind. Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Peter a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here... How does it look uncropped? greetings Markus Well enough of the people pictures for now. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html Technical data: Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into the engines of 747's. Don Sanderson wrote: I got it! There's a sign over my desk at work that says: It's hard to fly with the eagles, when you work with a bunch of turkeys No one seems to appreciate it much, perhaps its location? Don ;-) -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:02 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO -- You are what you eat. My strange sense of humor is all. Due to an accident of history this native American Bird is called a Turkey. A term of derision in American English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, is to call someone a Turkey, Then there is the statement in the true but not necessarily important category You are what you eat. Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one. (Not nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it). The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground. I actually made the photograph with this crop in mind. Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Peter a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here... How does it look uncropped? greetings Markus Well enough of the people pictures for now. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html Technical data: Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0 As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: Gotcha - Jerusalem, and a little rant
Some later films, notably of the film noire genre of starting in the late 30's into the mid 50's, eschewed color for artistic reasons. John Francis wrote: There was a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek there. But it's by no means uncommon to hear people going on about the rich tones in the print, etc., etc., and ignoring the actual subject. With BW movies, though, there are often other factors at work. Movies shot in BW used equipment without the focal length ranges of modern cinecameras, the audio quality was often not of the best, and the ravages of time have introduced their own problems. At the time they were made, people were still marvelling at the ability to capture anything. But by now cinephotography has well and truly crossed the threshold, and instead of being admired for what it is in isolation it gets measured against reality. Sadly, many BW movies don't stand up under that scrutiny. On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 05:37:50PM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Gotta laugh at that (not at you, John) for so often the comment made about BW photography is that it allows the viewer to concentrate on the subject without the distraction of color. When watching some movies on DVD, I turn off the color. Shel [Original Message] From: John Francis My wife, for example, won't watch a BW movie; the absence of colour really interferes with her ability to concentrate on the subject. I don't go quite that far, but find that too often BW photography gets to be too much about the process, and not enough about the subject. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO -- Portrait 1
Christopher Oliver wrote: On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 10:35:55AM -0500, Jim Hemenway wrote: H... a pretty girl. That may be the problem in that you forgot to focus on the eye closest to you. ;-) I've often heard this advice about focusing, but as far as closest eyes, I can't figure out how to get a lens to focus just behind the camera. I suppose you could get a 2mm lens with 355° coverage. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO Water on fire
Actually I've seen them ketch rigged in Narragansett Bay, (silly looking but...). Graywolf wrote: Don't bet, Peter. Trust me, don't bet on that! They might not laugh at you if you said it was two catboats, but you would still lose. I am not sure what it is, hence the question marks, but I am sure it is not a brace of catboats (cat boats have one mast and one sail by definition). graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- Peter J. Alling wrote: I guess it does look like that, but if I were a betting man I'd say Catboat. Graywolf wrote: A ketch rigged junk Francis wrote: Another boat pic http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/water-on-fire.html -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: Godfrey
John Celio wrote: From the NorCal PDML meet earlier this month, during lunch at that ethiopian restaurant: http://www.newpixel.net/special/godfrey.html Everyone else has been posting stuff lately, so I thought I'd join in on the fun. (: Details: MX, Tri-X 400, K 50mm 1.2, exposure not recorded. John Celio -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.newpixel.net AIM: Neopifex Hey, I'm an artist. I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a statement. I guess that's Art. Revealing, but most of your subjects won't thank you. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO-October Roses
Lovely invisible roses. David Volkert wrote: I humbly introduce my first PESO. This was taken way back in October and I finally got around to working on it this last week. Camera Info: Pentax *ist D Pentax 28-70mm F/4 @ 65mm F/7.1 1/125 iso 200 Photoshop processing: Noise ninja, Nik Color Effects brilliance/warmth, Highpass filter sharpening, converted to black and white using some process I found online a while back, burned in some of the pedals, and added film grain. Comments are welcome -david -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: The splendour and the misery of Berlin
You had to be there... Peter Lacus wrote: William Robb wrote: Good thing Caveboy seems to have left the list May I ask you why, William? Seems I don't getting the picture once again. :-( Bedo. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: More DA Limiteds
I prefer to go the other way, a nice 1.3 crop 9-12mp body would make my LTD 43mm an nice ~55mm equivalent. (If we're asking for things we won't get that is). Rob Studdert wrote: On 19 Mar 2005 at 11:53, William Robb wrote: Have you tried the 31? It's big and heavy, but is an excellent lens. I love mine but it's still a tad too narrow on the *ist D, its weight and size I can live with but a nice fast compact DA26/2 LTD would be just about perfect as a normal. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Is this dust?
It sure looks like it. Dave Kennedy wrote: Ok, I'm new with the DSLR thing (DS), and I just noticed a couple of light 'blobs' on my pics. see here : http://www.pbase.com/davekennedy/image/40990668 Is this dust on the CCD? Stays with the camera, still there after changing lenses. Does this mean I'll have to (gulp) clean the ccd? dk -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty
Shel, I like this one. The previous version was nice but this has more punch. Shel Belinkoff wrote: I redid the pic. Maybe it's better now. The boards were too dark. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html Shel [Original Message] From: Pat K I really like the brightness of the white and the bold red and blue along the edges. However, the dark chocolate of the fence boards in the center is distracting. I can just *barely* make out a knot or two in the wood or some swirl patterns, but not *quite* and it's distracting. -Patsy Pat in SF --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It just caught my eye, and since I'm trying to work a little more in color taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit. http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html Shel __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here
In that case they could intend to sell a big circular lens converter for 67 lenses where you just pop that ring off and add the converter. John Francis wrote: Village Idiot mused: My biggest complaint aesthetically about B is the curved Pentax nameplate on the front of the viewfinder. I like the classic straight name. I think the curved nameplate has a cheap look to it, as if Pentax was unable to fit it on a straight line. If you look at the B again, there's a big circular ring all around the lens mount, and the name follows this. I don't see any reason for that to be there - while it's large enough for a 67 lens mount by the looks of things, that wouldn't work; the register distance of the 67 is greater than that of the 645. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: OT: Newfie History 101-was: Take the Knarf Quiz !!
You sure, maybe it's not the Geese... frank theriault wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:30:50 -0500, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:01:51 -0500, frank theriault Kinda like the geese, eh? Yes, but even Newfies don't crap all over our parks and sidewalks. -frank -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Potential buyrs of a D645?
No I meant current, Kodak makes two different DC 14 the c[anon] and the n[ikon] they are built on two different platforms but they sell for about the same amount. They're not the same camera but they can be considered as a single camera for my purposes here, thus the x. Either one would be a competitor for the Pentax 645d. As is the new 16mp Canon offering If Kodak stays in the dslr business I expect that there will be a new DC 14 follow on before the 645d is released, probably at 18mp. What do you think the quality difference between a FF 35mm 16-18mp and a 1.3 crop 18mp 645 would really be? Which would you rather have especially if you use a few w/a lenses, and on average the lenses available to you are 1-2 stops faster in the slightly smaller format. The current 13mp Kodak is already looked at as a replacement for medium format, hell, 6mp is looked on by some as a replacement for MF. Like I said the 645d will have to be very competitively priced. Ryan Brooks wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote: To keep that they will have to have a perceived quality and similar feature set to the upcoming Canon 16mp DSLR and a price closer to the current Kodak 14[x]. Upcoming... I think you mean here. -Ryan -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: What would you do
I haven't used the 16-45mm but the last PESO I posted was shot with it on the *ist-D http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PESO_--_untitledv.html A bit of barrel distortion at the 20mm end, it's evident at the ~30mm on the *ist-D. Still it's extremely sharp. I was amazed at how good this looks printed at full res. Butch Black wrote: Hi Thanks to all that responded. I am going to get the camera without lens and will probably add the 16-45 at some later point, although the 20-35 and the 24/2.0 are not out of the question. How does the 16-45 compare to the 20-35? Butch -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: How's that for a bargain
The 17mm alone is probably worth about twice the purchase price. Boris Liberman wrote: Hi! Please look here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=3880938507 Boris -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: How many Pentax lenses left?
I suppose I could order every one of them from Japan and see if they arrive... On the other hand the manufacturer lists them as available, if others don't have them I would assume it's because they haven't ordered them not that they don't exist. Pentax USA has much larger list than any of the European sites yet they don't list everything here. While skepticism might be in order this is still the manufactures web site. This is close to the horses mouth that you're going to get. Importers have their own agendas, mostly to sell what they have. If they don't have it they don't want you going elsewhere after all. Martin Trautmann wrote: On 2005-03-17 14:34, Peter J. Alling wrote: I don't know why you'd say that. The D-FA lenses are full frame 35mm and if you actually visit the Pentax JP site you'd see that there is still a full line of Pentax Primes listed. Maybe Pentax in Europe isn't importing them but they are still available according to the Pentax Japan web site Did you actually check through this list? How many do you feel are still around? I guess it's rather unclear about the long teles, such as smc PENTAX 500mm F4.5 - 12 smc PENTAX M Reflex 2000mm F13.5 smc PENTAX-A1200mm F8 ED [IF] - smc PENTAX-A300mm F2.8 ED [IF] - smc PENTAX-A600mm F5.6 ED [IF] - But how about e.g. smc PENTAX-A 15mm F3.5 - smc PENTAX-A 20mm F2.8 smc PENTAX-A 50mm F1.2 - smc PENTAX-FA 35mm F2 AL smc PENTAX-FA 50mm F1.4 smc PENTAX-FA 50mm F1.7 smc PENTAX-FA Macro 50mm F2.8 smc PENTAX-FA Macro 100mm F2.8 smc PENTAX-FA Macro 100mm F3.5 smc PENTAX-FA 135mm F2.8 [IF] I doubt that this page is really up to date. It's from September 2004, and even in that time many of those products were no longer available, I suppose. The better Macros where replaced by DFAs, the cheap Cosina Macro is no longer listed. I was told by now that there was little market for the 50 mm standard lenses recently - I wonder why. It could be an excellent portrait lense for digital bodies!? Cheap and bright (although the 50/1.7 was never as cheap as the Nikon/Canon/Minolta plastic models). -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: for the curious ... FA135/2.8 vs Takumar 135/2.5 comparison
It's slightly faster. (Ok it's reputed to be sharper as well, but I don't have both, only the K, which inspires confidence on an lx, it would also make a formidable club). Paul Stenquist wrote: It's definitely prettier :-) Paul On Mar 18, 2005, at 5:30 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Hi, Do you think the K135/2.5 is a better lens than the FA135/2.8? In what way? Have you compared them? Shel [Original Message] From: Kostas Kavoussanakis On Thu, 17 Mar 2005, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Love to do it sometime, but this next couple of weeks is not going to be the time. Don't do it Godfrey, you will *really* want the K135/2.5. With a passion. Kostas -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: SMC Pentax-F 70-210mm F4-5.6 - what's a reasonable price ??
I paid $69.00 for mine not too long ago. I wouldn't part with it for 3x that much today. It's a bit slow but it is very sharp and contrasty. Works very nicely on the *ist-D, and even though manual focus sucks compared to many other lenses it's still very usable on a LX. As you can see here: http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW_--_Gull_in_Flight.html Fred Widall wrote: Could someone please tell me what a reasonable price for this lens would be (in VG condition) into today's 'hot' market. Looking at Jim's Colwell's excellent spreadsheet it shows an Ebay range of US$75-115. Is that still reasonable ? They don't seem to show up very often. I understand this is one of the best Pentax zooms in this range. Thanks. -- Fred Widall, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall -- -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: 645D Photos (under glass) here
Don't you want Pentax to sell new products, (besides you could maintain full available automation, something you lose with the current converter). Village Idiot wrote: I thought that they already made a Pentax 67 Lens to Pentax 645 Body Adapter? Village Idiot In that case they could intend to sell a big circular lens converter for 67 lenses where you just pop that ring off and add the converter. John Francis wrote: Village Idiot mused: My biggest complaint aesthetically about B is the curved Pentax nameplate on the front of the viewfinder. I like the classic straight name. I think the curved nameplate has a cheap look to it, as if Pentax was unable to fit it on a straight line. If you look at the B again, there's a big circular ring all around the lens mount, and the name follows this. I don't see any reason for that to be there - while it's large enough for a 67 lens mount by the looks of things, that wouldn't work; the register distance of the 67 is greater than that of the 645. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Rebel XT vs *ist D.
Sure looks a lot more compact than Canon's usual offerings, until you put that huge Cannon lens on it. Christian wrote: Rebel XT vs *ist D. My friend just picked up his Rebel XT so a little side-by-side comparison was in order: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031message=12710872 -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Kiron 28mm/2 : opinions?
I haven't actually handled one but *Robert Monaghan's 3rd party lens megasite http://medfmt.8k.com/third/cult.html#kiron describes it as a good value. It is after all 1.5 stops faster than the m28/3.5 so at least in that area you've gotten an improvement. * Juan Buhler wrote: Has anyone used the Kiron 28mm f2? I was just at the BH site getting an extra CF card (1GB, should be enough with the 2GB I have and the CompactDrive pd7x.) They had one of these in their used department for $80, which I ordered, after a brief googling of the lens seemed to indicate that it is at least passable. Anyone knows how it compares with the M28/3.5? I plan to use it on the istD, and/or give it to Rolling Red to use with her istDs. Thanks, j -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: Greg on Sax
Frank, I haven't commented on any of your earlier session photos, I didn't actually see them until after this one. I have to say this is clearly the best of those you posted. The composition is good and you get the feeling something is actually happening. frank theriault wrote: I was actually going to be submitting this as my PUG for next month, but the valuable feedback I've gotten on my other jazz combo shots (especially tonight's PAW) make me decide to submit this as a PESO, to get immediate feedback, which I find so valuable. Last jazz shot for a while, I promise (last decent one from that session, too): http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3208164size=lg I actually cropped a bit vbg. Personally, I think it's the strongest photo of that session, but I'd really like to hear your thoughts. It's times like this that I realize what a valuable educational tool this list can be. thanks, frank -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
PESO -- Portrait 1
I decided to use a few prime lenses on the *ist-D just to see how they preformed. The oft maligned smc P-M 85mm f2.0 was mounted on the *ist-D when Canon/Coffee house girl decide to join me while I wasted some time with a cup, (Papua New Guinea). ~127mm makes for tight head shots. http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_portrait1.html Technical: Pentax *ist-D iso 200 @1/180sec smc Pentax-M 85mm f2.0 @ f2.0 Comments welcome but may be totally ignored. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Pentax Lens explosion on e-bay continues
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=48558item=3880182806rd=1ssPageName=WDVW I really wanted to bid on this but I knew It would soon climb out of range of my current budget... -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Not so good this time.
If you are going to smash it, could you remove the ISO setting mechanism and rewind crank, I kind of bunged it up on an ME-SE and it would be almost mint otherwise. David Savage wrote: That sounds like fun. Common Don. Do it, do it, do it, do it. Dave S On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:33:52 -0600, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: glenn murphy Subject: Re: Not so good this time. It looks like someone already tried to bury it I think he should whack it with a sledge hammer and then post the results. Can we get a bit of peer pressure happening please? William Robb -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: How many Pentax lenses left?
Supposedly they are replacing most of the FA lenses with D-FA equivalents. We'll see. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I was surprised recently that not only the FA 50/1.7 is gone by now, but that the FA 50/1.4 ist not longer available as well. I did a quick search on www.pentax.de for listed lenses and compared this to Dimitrovs list of lenses. The short summary: Pentax introduced 4 new lenses in 2004 and 2 new lenses in 2005. They removed 15 lenses in 2004, while 24 other lenses are not listed any more (!?). The years before, they introduced about 2-4 per year, while the same number was removed. From the traditional FAs mainly the limited models are left. Primes are hard to find by now. Maybe someone would like to correct and update the statistics here. I did not take the time to summarize a total number yet, due to the lack of most recent infos. I feel that's scaring signals for analog SLR. Maybe there's no more need for those K/M/A/F/FA goodies. But I feel that they do throw out lots of good stuff, too, without replacing it. I don't own a DSLR yet (waiting for the right model for the right price, e.g. offering sensor anti shake). But I wonder once again: should I wait for the right Pentax DSLR, since I still may use my old lenses on a new DSLR, while new lenses will be useless for my old cameras. It's the wrong signal to me, why I should remain on Pentax or take a completely new system without the former analog limitations. I'm not the real person to save Pentax - I do want to use a camera for years, while I don't shop for Pentax stuff several times a year. But what's going on here? Here's the overview of lenses: 2005: in: 2 / out: 24? / total: 14? DA 14 / 2.82005 ~ @ DA 16-45 / 4 2003 ~ @ FAJ 18-35 / 4-5.6 2003 ~ @ DA 18-55 / 3.5-5.6 2004 ~ @ FA 20-35 / 4 1998 ~ @ FAJ 28-80 / 3.5-5.6 2003 ~ @ FA 28-105 / 3.2-4.52001 ~ @ FA 31 / 1.82001 ~ @ DA 40 / 2.82004 ~ @ FA 43 / 1.91997 ~ @ DA 50-200 / 4-5.6 2005 ~ @ DFA 50 / 2.8-Macro 2004 ~ @ FA 77 / 1.81999 ~ @ DFA 100 / 2.8-Macro 2004 ~ @ not listed on www.pentax.de: FA 20 / 2.81995 ~ ? FA 24 / 2 1991 ~ ? FA 24-90 / 3.5-4.5 2001 ~ ? FA 28 / 2.81991 ~ ? FA 28 / 2.8-Soft 1997 ~ ? FA 28-80 / 3.5-5.6-ii 2002 ~ ? FA 28-90 / 3.5-5.6 2001 ~ ? A 35-80 / 4-5.6 1995 ~ ? FA 35-80 / 4-5.6 1999 ~ ? FA 50 / 1.41991 ~ ? FA 50 / 2.8-Macro 1990 ~ ? FAJ 75-300 / 4.5-5.82003 ~ ? A 80-200 / 4.7-5.61995 ~ ? FA 80-200 / 4.7-5.61999 ~ ? FA 85 / 1.41992 ~ ? FA 100 / 2.8-Macro 1991 ~ ? FA 100-300 / 4.7-5.8 2000 ~ ? FA 200 / 2.8 1993 ~ ? FA 200 / 4-Macro 2000 ~ ? FA 300 / 2.8 1994 ~ ? FA 300 / 4.5 1991 ~ ? A 400 / 2.8 1986 ~ ? FA 400 / 5.6 1997 ~ ? FA 600 / 4 1991 ~ ? 2004: in: 4 / out: 15 / total: ? A 15 / 3.51984 ~ 2004 A 16 / 2.8-Fish 1985 ~ 2004 F 17-28 / 3.5-4.5-Fish1995 ~ 2004 FA 28-200 / 3.8-5.61996 ~ 2004 FA 28-70 / 2.8 1994 ~ 2004 K 28 / 3.5-Shift 1977 ~ 2004 FA 35 / 2 1999 ~ 2004 A 50 / 1.21984 ~ 2004 FA 50 / 1.71991 ~ 2004 FA 80-200 / 2.81994 ~ 2004 FA 85 / 2.8-Soft 1996 ~ 2004 FA 100 / 3.5-Macro 1998 ~ 2004 FA 250-600 / 5.6 1991 ~ 2004 A 400 / 5.6 1984 ~ 2004 K 1000 / 11 1977 ~ 2004 2003: in: 4 / out: 0 / total: ? 2002: in: 1 / out: 2 / total: ? FA 28-105 / 4-5.6-ii 1999 ~ 2002 FA 80-320 / 4.5-5.61997 ~ 2002 2001: in: 4 / out: 2 / total: ? A 20 / 2.81985 ~ 2001 FA 28-80 / 3.5-5.6-i 1998 ~ 2001 2000: in: 2 / out: 6 / total: ? FA 70-200 / 4-5.6 1991 ~ 2000 FA 28-70 / 4 1996 ~ 2000 FA 135 / 2.8 1991 ~ 2000 A 600 / 5.6 1984 ~ 2000 A 200 / 4-Macro 1984 ~ 2000 A 1200 / 81986 ~ 2000 -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Would you want a Wi-Fi camera?
Yep, just dead cell phone spaces, bad transmissions, intercepted signals, and electronic jamming. Mishka wrote: i think it would be one of the best things that have ever happen to cameras. no more digital wallets, worries about corrupted cards/ruined films, and police officers trying to confiscate them. just have a built in FTP client mishka On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:30:25 +, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15/3/05, Powell Hargrave, discombobulated, unleashed: Do you desire a wireless camera? Instant PESOs anyone. I can see an instant benefit in terms of location storage savings. Shoot in the field as much as desired, it transfers straight to your computer at base. No fumbling with cards, uploading to PISVDs or laptops. Yeah, I could go with that. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Potential buyrs of a D645?
Overall Pentax was known as being the best bang for the buck of the Medium Format producers, the total system price (camera and a couple of lenses), were near the bottom in most comparisons and quality, near the top. It will be hard to maintain that first one with a digital body. To keep that they will have to have a perceived quality and similar feature set to the upcoming Canon 16mp DSLR and a price closer to the current Kodak 14[x]. Mishka wrote: why not? i would imagine, people who bought p645 were budget-conscious (or they would have bought contax instead), and for those, digital MF right now exists only in theory (pricewise). hopefully, D645 would cost less than a new car. then i would buy one. best, mishka On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 12:23:23 +1000, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Mar 2005 at 20:14, Herb Chong wrote: the 645D will attract a negligible number of non-Pentax MF owners. it's job is to prevent further defections. .. in two years time? :-( Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Potential buyrs of a D645?
With film. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/17 Thu PM 12:27:22 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Potential buyrs of a D645? - Original Message - From: Mishka Subject: Re: Potential buyrs of a D645? why not? i would imagine, people who bought p645 were budget-conscious (or they would have bought contax instead), and for those, digital MF right now exists only in theory (pricewise). hopefully, D645 would cost less than a new car. then i would buy one. The Pentax 645 has been around for a very long time, at least a couple of decades. and there are a lot of 645 lenses out there. It precedes the Contax by a very long time. Although I don't have any 645 equipment, I imagine that someone who has invested in that camera and format over the past 20-25 years would be quite happy for the possibility of a digital body to mount his/her lenses to. So. Where does all this leave the 67 system? m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Potential buyrs of a D645?
Oh yes, you can use the lenses on the 645. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/03/17 Thu PM 12:27:22 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Potential buyrs of a D645? - Original Message - From: Mishka Subject: Re: Potential buyrs of a D645? why not? i would imagine, people who bought p645 were budget-conscious (or they would have bought contax instead), and for those, digital MF right now exists only in theory (pricewise). hopefully, D645 would cost less than a new car. then i would buy one. The Pentax 645 has been around for a very long time, at least a couple of decades. and there are a lot of 645 lenses out there. It precedes the Contax by a very long time. Although I don't have any 645 equipment, I imagine that someone who has invested in that camera and format over the past 20-25 years would be quite happy for the possibility of a digital body to mount his/her lenses to. So. Where does all this leave the 67 system? m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Would you want a Wi-Fi camera?
That's what I'd worry about though Bluetooth had _no_ security when it was first developed, everything is add on, and not very well implemented, IIRC. Doug Franklin wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 20:25:22 +1300, David Mann wrote: On Mar 16, 2005, at 6:13 AM, Powell Hargrave wrote: Do you desire a wireless camera? Instant PESOs anyone. I think it has great potential Bluetooth phones hacked from a mile away Mar-15-05 Bluetooth phones may be vulnerable to attack from up to a mile away by a new device that can pick up distant transmissions from enabled handsets. http://www.scmagazine.com/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=newsDetailsnewsUID=db426fdc-f512-4d07-aa91-d78c45e164b9newsType=Latest%20Newss=n TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Camera bags/backpacks
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When the hot weather arrives, go to the corner drug store or Wal-Mart and buy some of those foam rubber covers for keeping your beer can cold on the beach. They cost $1.00 each, they can hold viewfinders (or lenses for that matter), and they are indestructable. Indestructible? er ... do you have children? ERNR or Dogs??? -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Digital Spotmatic, anyone?
Yes indeed, they showed a working prototype 1.3mp, sub aps sized sensor, about 4 or 5 years ago. Development stopped soon after that. Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu wrote: Yeah. And old, too. Alex Sarbu On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:14:37 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Un, no. It's vaporware. I just came across the site for SiliconFilm. Looks interesting. I called them and they said it wasn't available, yet. I do hope it's not vaporware, because I'm really looking forward to an MXd. http://www.siliconfilm.com/default.htm -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: How many Pentax lenses left?
I don't know why you'd say that. The D-FA lenses are full frame 35mm and if you actually visit the Pentax JP site you'd see that there is still a full line of Pentax Primes listed. Maybe Pentax in Europe isn't importing them but they are still available according to the Pentax Japan web site here's the list I just cut and pasted into this e-mail: From: http://www.pentax.co.jp/english/products/filmcamera/lens/index35_ichiran.html Wide-Angle Lenses smc PENTAX-A 15mm F3.5 - smc PENTAX-FA 20mm F2.8 smc PENTAX-A 20mm F2.8 smc PENTAX-FA24mm F2 AL [IF] smc PENTAX-FA 28mm F2.8 AL smc PENTAX-FA 31mm F1.8 AL Limited smc PENTAX-FA 35mm F2 AL Standard Lenses smc PENTAX-FA 43mm F1.9 Limited smc PENTAX-A 50mm F1.2 - smc PENTAX-FA 50mm F1.4 smc PENTAX-FA 50mm F1.7 Telephoto Lenses smc PENTAX-FA 77mm F1.8 Limited smc PENTAX-FA85mm F1.4 ED [IF] smc PENTAX-FA 135mm F2.8 [IF] smc PENTAX-FA200mm F2.8 ED [IF] smc PENTAX-A200mm F2.8 ED - smc PENTAX-FA300mm F2.8 ED [IF] smc PENTAX-A300mm F2.8 ED [IF] - smc PENTAX-FA300mm F4.5 ED [IF] Super-Telephoto Lenses smc PENTAX-A400mm F2.8ED [IF] smc PENTAX-FA400mm F5.6 ED [IF] smc PENTAX-A 400mm F5.6 - smc PENTAX 500mm F4.5 - 12 smc PENTAX-FA600mm F4 ED [IF] smc PENTAX-A600mm F5.6 ED [IF] - smc PENTAX Reflex 1000mm F11- smc PENTAX-A1200mm F8 ED [IF] - smc PENTAX M Reflex 2000mm F13.5 Macro Lenses smc PENTAX-FA Macro 50mm F2.8 smc PENTAX-FA Macro 100mm F2.8 smc PENTAX-FA Macro 100mm F3.5 smc PENTAX-FAMacro 200mm F4 ED [IF] smc PENTAX Bellows 100mm F4 Martin Trautmann wrote: On 2005-03-17 10:37, Peter J. Alling wrote: Supposedly they are replacing most of the FA lenses with D-FA equivalents. We'll see. I doubt so: I'd expect other signals then. Since the only replacment or upgrade where the two DFA macros, while they created six new DA lenses in between, the last FA lense from 2002, and lots of A/F/FA lenses gone by now, I expect - the digital sensor size is settled by now: No more full size sensor to come. Larger sensors might go for medium format sized bodies - little work on analog at all. See, all of the major 50 mm lenses are gone by now! This was once called the 'standard' lense. Current primes left (prices from www.fotokoch.de) are FA 31/1.8: 1049 EUR FA 43/1.9: 544 EUR DFA 50/2.8: 519 EUR FA 77/1.8: 789 EUR FA 85/1.4: 929 EUR DFA 100/2.8: 559 EUR (and some tele 200 mm, 1000 EUR) Current exchange rate: 1 EUR = 1.33 USD, incl. 16 % tax. Thus just compare EUR:USD = 1:1 http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/shared/img/USDall.png -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: AW: 645D - more pictures
Well they are mockups under glass... keller.schaefer wrote: I doesn't even look like there are mirrors behind the lenses... Sven -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. Marz 2005 18:05 An: pentax list Betreff: 645D - more pictures Don't know if this page has been linked to yet, apologies if it has http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/other/2005/03/18/1209.html scroll down a few inches for side views Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Test
Pass/Fail? Bob Blakely wrote: Test -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: *istD creation/modification dates
No he hasn't, if that were true the OVERPRICED would be in there somewhere. Christian wrote: Cotty wrote on 3/17/2005, 2:43 PM: Hell you're right John, the Mac's a bag of old bollocks Mark this date in your calendars, everyone. cotty has FINALLY come to his senses! :-) -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Lexicography of the list
frank theriault wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:01:19 -0500, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGG. Are you trying to say that you first used PESO? Or are you groaning about the PESO/coined thing? always curious, frank Bad puns deserve a groan, the worse the bigger... (Gaud that's a stupid English construction I created there, I might loose my license). -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: Would you want a Wi-Fi camera?
Powell Hargrave wrote: Kodak (and others} are going wireless with photography. Interesting. http://www.creativepro.com/story/news/22648.html?cprose=daily I see how this can have useful applications besides the gee-whiz factor but it does not interest me at all. Do you desire a wireless camera? Instant PESOs anyone. Powell This is just so wrong, in so many ways. (But I'm sure Kodak, or someone else, will sell lots of them). -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: I had the itch and bought 3 lenses
Sonar Aror wrote: Hi, I have bought past weekend the SMC-M 28 f2.8 ($55), SMC-M 50 F4 Macro ($85) and the SMC-M 55 f1.8 ($75). I have read many good comments about the first two lenses, however almost nothing about the 55mm. I can't see it my self yet because the *ist DS is not there yet. I would appreciate it if you could comment on the M 55 f1.8. Thanks, Sonar. It's a fairly good lens, a bit soft wide open as are most normal lenses of it's vintage, sharp to the corners when you get somewhere between f5.6 and f8. Makes a dandy portrait, (~83mm), on a *ist-D. There are probably very few comments on it because it's a bit rare as kit normal lenses go, (there were a whole lot more M 50 1.7s sold), and its very ordinary, it was the lens that came standard with the original K series. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: I had the itch and bought 3 lenses
The 55 1.8 and 2.0 are identical lenses. Pentax to differentiate them put a ring in the 2.0 to keep it from opening up to 1.8. It is a bit more difficult to find and may be a sleeper as a collectors piece. Otherwise in general any comments about the quality of the 55 1.8 are applicable. pancho hasselbach wrote: Has anybody been able to compare 1.8/55 to 2.0/55 ? I probably have opportunity to lay my hands on a 2.0/55, but I'd like to hear some oppinions first. Is there a great difference, appart from the extra 0.2 f-stop? Thanks so far, Pancho Sonar Aror wrote: Yep, you're right. It's the K 55. Quite encouraging indeed, soft at wide open but then a typical Pentax prime (contrasty and sharp) when stoped down a bit. Thank you! On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:44:40 +0100, Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess you mean K 55mm 1.8 ? There is no M 55mm. It is a bit soft wide open but very honest if you close a bit ... On a K body, it has the HUGE (for me) advantage that you see in the viewfinder the same way you see with your eyes. OK I know it is not clear at all but my English shows its limits here... -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: New member intro
Thank God, I thought I was going to have to start scouring the landscape for one. (I already have an f2.8, it's a lovely lens). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Williams wrote: Vivitar Series One 35-85 F2 Quoting Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 35-85 F2?? Doh! 35-85mm F2.8 still a whopping chunk of glass. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
