Re: OT: British House of Cards (a bit political

[William Robb]

On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 10:10 AM John  wrote:

> On 9/19/2019 13:28:42, William Robb wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 11:11 AM Daniel J. Matyola 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It's the most entertaining thing on the planet, until we realize that
> these
> >> clowns can actually cause us all a lot of harm (and money).  A pox on
> all
> >> their houses!
> >>
> >
> > At least you guys have the Second Amendment.
> >
>
> Hijacked by lunatics.
>

I thought it was written specifically  for times like this.

>
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Re: OT: British House of Cards (a bit political

[William Robb]

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 11:11 AM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> It's the most entertaining thing on the planet, until we realize that these
> clowns can actually cause us all a lot of harm (and money).  A pox on all
> their houses!
>

At least you guys have the Second Amendment.
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Re: OT: British House of Cards (a bit political

[William Robb]

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, 7:27 AM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> I thought there was one sane place left on the planet, but now even Canada
> has to weather a weird political storm.
>

If the worst I have to wake up to is an invented scandal over something
that happened two decades ago, I can live with that.

The sanctimony and hypocrisy coming out of all this is pretty incredible
though.

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Re: OT: British House of Cards (a bit political

[William Robb]

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 9:59 AM John  wrote:

> All the more reason not to have to put with his shit in the meantime.
>

I think my irony meter just broke.


> On 9/9/2019 10:49:02, Alan C wrote:
> > Why worry? According to some pundits the 6th Extinction is only 3000
> days away.
> >
> > Alan C
> >
> > On 09-Sep-19 04:39 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
> >> Am 09.09.19 um 15:01 schrieb Daniel J. Matyola:
> >>
> >>> And then there is Jacob William Rees-Mogg, a truly fascinating
> character.
> >>
> >> Fascinating? Not really. Try pompous, arrogant, utterly obnoxious and,
> >> since last week's clownery in the Commons, brattish to boot.
> >>
> >> Ralf
> >>
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Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?

[William Robb]

Considering that about the only reason in existence to use a Pentax body is
to shoot Pentax glass, I'm not seeing an issue. If you really want to use a
non Pentax lens, there are plenty of non Pentax bodies to choose from.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2019, 8:30 AM John  wrote:

> As I noted in response to the other Sigma thread, Sigma stopped making
> lenses in
> Pentax KAF mounts several years back.
>
> They've been selling off their stock of Pentax mount lenses on an "as
> available"
> basis for at least a year & none of their ART lenses have been available
> in
> Pentax mount.
>
> On 9/9/2019 16:10:04, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> >
> > Pentax Rumors has posted an information that Sigma will stop making
> lenses for
> > Pentax K-mount, quoting Sigma's FB post in Czech:
> >
> https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/09/06/sigma-to-stop-making-lenses-for-pentax-k-mount/
> >
> > If that's true, it is rather unfortunate for the Pentax community:
> > 1. Those people who enjoy Sigma lenses, will not have that option
> available any
> > more.
> > 2. Even if you don't like Sigma lenses, this would also mean reduced
> competition
> > for Pentax lenses. That means somewhat less pressure
> > for Pentax to innovate, and probably higher prices for Pentax lenses.
> >
> > Now, that Tokina and Sigma are out, who's left? Tamron?
> > There are some non-AF lenses from other manufacturers, but that is a
> different
> > market niche.
> >
> >
> > In any case, - if you were considering buying some Sigma lens, you
> probably
> > shouldn't wait too long.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Igor
> >
> >
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Re: Will Sigma stop making lenses for K-mount?

[William Robb]

I suspect with Tamron it is co designing and licensing.
The D FA 50/1.4 being an example.
They are licensing their Opera 50/1.4 design from Ricoh.

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 1:21 PM Gonz  wrote:

> I heard Tamron is out too.
>
> --R
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> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 3:10 PM Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Pentax Rumors has posted an information that Sigma will stop making
> lenses
> > for Pentax K-mount, quoting Sigma's FB post in Czech:
> >
> https://pentaxrumors.com/2019/09/06/sigma-to-stop-making-lenses-for-pentax-k-mount/
> >
> > If that's true, it is rather unfortunate for the Pentax community:
> > 1. Those people who enjoy Sigma lenses, will not have that option
> > available any more.
> > 2. Even if you don't like Sigma lenses, this would also mean reduced
> > competition for Pentax lenses. That means somewhat less pressure
> > for Pentax to innovate, and probably higher prices for Pentax lenses.
> >
> > Now, that Tokina and Sigma are out, who's left? Tamron?
> > There are some non-AF lenses from other manufacturers, but that is a
> > different market niche.
> >
> >
> > In any case, - if you were considering buying some Sigma lens, you
> > probably shouldn't wait too long.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Igor
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Re: OT: British House of Cards (a bit political

[William Robb]

It really just goes to show how absolutely dangerous and foolhardy it is to
elect populists to power.

They are generally incompetent, have no real leadership skills, and are
only good at the required to be a populist  job of self aggrandizement.

Johnson is a poster boy for clueless buffoons everywhere, and he seems
proud to be taking his cues on the subject from trump.

trump, at least, has shown the world how completely hypocritical American
conservatives are and, unfortunately, how untrustworthy the United States
actually is. He had boldly shown that eventually, the USA turns on
everyone, including it's own citizens.

Both will go down as the worst individuals ever to be elected to office
anywhere.
Neither can be referred to as leaders, since neither has the ability or the
inclination to lead.
Both are in it purely for personal enrichment.
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Re: OT: What is happening to British Universities?

[William Robb]

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019, 4:28 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> Duh!  I forgot the link:
>

That's pretty ironic...

Sorry Dan. I just couldn't resist that one.

>
>
> https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/education/2019/08/leader-great-british-university-con
>
> Dan Matyola
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>
>
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 1:52 PM Steve Cottrell  wrote:
>
> > On 24/8/19, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> > >I am concerned about the quality of higher education in the US.  I read
> > >this article about what is happening in the UK, and would like to see
> > >reactions from informed citizens of the UK.
> >
> > Oh, and what is happening in the UK?
> >
> > --
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> >
> > Cheers,
> >   Cotty
> >
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Re: OT: England in the Dark?

[William Robb]

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 8:53 AM Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:

> Am 22.08.19 um 16:01 schrieb John:
> > I don't think "thrive" is the right word.
>
> ...and if they do in Iceland it's only because half the population of a
> mere 60,000 make their living directly or indirectly from a large US air
> base. Not easy to replicate in the U.K.
>

Now you've done it. Now trunt will want Norway to give Iceland to the USA
as reparations.

bill



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Re: PESO Last Supper

[William Robb]

That's pretty awesome.

bill

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 3:10 PM Paul Stenquist 
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> https://www.photo.net/photo/18555215/Last-Supper
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Re: I'm Getting Married...

[William Robb]

Congratulations Paul. I’m happy for you.

Bill

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 7:59 AM Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

> In the morning. Well, it’s actually early afternoon this Saturday, but
> that spoils the alliteration. We didn’t hire a wedding photographer. Too
> expensive for a couple of septuagenarians. So we’re counting on the small
> number of friends and relatives present to shoot a lot of cell phone pics.
> Should be fun. I know my bride is always entertaining in addition to being
> a great partner. We both lost our partners to the afterlife following
> long, happy marriages, so we’re looking forward to life, part two.
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Re: OT: possibly politics

[William Robb]

On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 8:10 AM John  wrote:

> Yeah, and if *I* had posted it, I'd be shouted down for introducing
> politics.
> Why should there be one rule for me and a different one for you?


Snowflake.

>
>
>
>
> On 8/2/2019 20:26:33, William Robb wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 6:03 PM John  wrote:
> >
> >> Yup. Definitely politics.
> >>
> >
> > Wasn't started that way. I wanted to know why there was a hostage
> > negotiator at a criminal trial in a country that is well known to have a
> > fair and impartial legal system.
> >
> > It's not like as if Sweden is North Korea.
> >
> > bill
> >
>
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Re: OT: possibly politics

[William Robb]

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019, 6:03 PM John  wrote:

> Yup. Definitely politics.
>

Wasn't started that way. I wanted to know why there was a hostage
negotiator at a criminal trial in a country that is well known to have a
fair and impartial legal system.

It's not like as if Sweden is North Korea.

bill

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OT: possibly politics

[William Robb]

Why is there a US hostage negotiator in Sweden watching an assault trial?
Has Sweden suddenly turned into a terrorist state?

Curious

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Re: OT: How to kill a wasp nest

[William Robb]

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019, 1:14 AM John  wrote:

> My experience with wasps it they're more or less docile unless you mess
> with them.
>
> Of course, their definition of "mess with them" is pretty broad, but they
> don't
> seem to be as aggressive as Yellow Jackets. Yellow Jackets are the worst.
> They'll attack just because they see you.
>

I'm pretty sure what you call yellow jackets is what we call wasps.

Bill.


> On 7/31/2019 22:56:12, William Robb wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:11 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> They are nasty critters, aren't they.
> >
> >
> > I haven’t met one I consider starting a friendship with.
> >
> > bill
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Dan Matyola
> >> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 6:36 PM William Robb <
> anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> After getting my smoker, I have rarely fired up my propane brazier.
> Last
> >>> night I decided to use it. I took the cover off, fired it up and went
> >> back
> >>> into the house too season some beef. When I went out a few minutes
> later
> >> to
> >>> put the burgers on there were a few wasps buzzing around the back of
> the
> >>> barbecue.
> >>> By the time I went out to flip them, that number had risen to a dozen
> or
> >>> more, and they seemed a bit angry. As the last time I got stung by a
> >> wasp I
> >>> was on an IV drip for a week, I asked my wife to bring the meat in.
> >>> Apparently, there was a wasp nest in the firebox...
> >>>
> >>> Have fun
> >>>
> >>> Bill
>
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Re: How to kill a wasp nest

[William Robb]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 9:48 PM Stan Halpin 
wrote:

> Bill! You left us hanging! Tell us, how did the hamburger turn out?


The burgers were good. I was supposed to smoke a pork butt yesterday, but
didn’t manage to get it going in time, hence the burgers.

I have an old Charbroil infrared brazier, so I didn’t get wasp nest flavour.


>
> I don’t have the same reactions to stings, but my brother carries a meds
> “kit” with him always just in case. Serious business.
>
> My own worst encounter was at our lake property, sitting at the table
> outside with others. I took a sip from the beer can that had been sitting
> in front of me for awhile, the wasp which had gone in to sample my brew
> didn’t like being disturbed and stung me on my lip.


A friend of mine got stung at the back of his throat that way. Damn near
killed him.

Bill


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> stan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 31, 2019, at 11:29 PM,  
> wrote:
> >
> > Once had one fly up my trousers in a city office and proceed to sting me
> on
> > my thigh: only glad it did not get any higher!
> > My grandfather used to make them dozy by lighting a very smoky (green
> leaves
> > and twigs) fire under the nest, which allowed him to remove and dispose
> of
> > it.
> >
> > John in Brisbane
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: PDML  On Behalf Of William Robb
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 August 2019 8:36 AM
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> > Subject: OT: How to kill a wasp nest
> >
> > After getting my smoker, I have rarely fired up my propane brazier. Last
> > night I decided to use it. I took the cover off, fired it up and went
> back
> > into the house too season some beef. When I went out a few minutes later
> to
> > put the burgers on there were a few wasps buzzing around the back of the
> > barbecue.
> > By the time I went out to flip them, that number had risen to a dozen or
> > more, and they seemed a bit angry. As the last time I got stung by a
> wasp I
> > was on an IV drip for a week, I asked my wife to bring the meat in.
> > Apparently, there was a wasp nest in the firebox...
> >
> > Have fun
> >
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Re: OT: How to kill a wasp nest

[William Robb]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:11 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> They are nasty critters, aren't they.


I haven’t met one I consider starting a friendship with.

bill



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> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 6:36 PM William Robb 
> wrote:
>
> > After getting my smoker, I have rarely fired up my propane brazier. Last
> > night I decided to use it. I took the cover off, fired it up and went
> back
> > into the house too season some beef. When I went out a few minutes later
> to
> > put the burgers on there were a few wasps buzzing around the back of the
> > barbecue.
> > By the time I went out to flip them, that number had risen to a dozen or
> > more, and they seemed a bit angry. As the last time I got stung by a
> wasp I
> > was on an IV drip for a week, I asked my wife to bring the meat in.
> > Apparently, there was a wasp nest in the firebox...
> >
> > Have fun
> >
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OT: How to kill a wasp nest

[William Robb]

After getting my smoker, I have rarely fired up my propane brazier. Last
night I decided to use it. I took the cover off, fired it up and went back
into the house too season some beef. When I went out a few minutes later to
put the burgers on there were a few wasps buzzing around the back of the
barbecue.
By the time I went out to flip them, that number had risen to a dozen or
more, and they seemed a bit angry. As the last time I got stung by a wasp I
was on an IV drip for a week, I asked my wife to bring the meat in.
Apparently, there was a wasp nest in the firebox...

Have fun

Bill
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Re: Pushing up daisies

[William Robb]

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 7:30 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> Perhaps the Brexit decision should be left to the House of Lords.  Lots of
> charming chaps there!
>

Aren't you at least glad that it's the Brits who are the butt of the joke
this time?

bill

>
>
> > > I read the thread title and thought OMG, how has Boris managed to kill
> > Britain so quickly?
> > >
> >
> > This pretty much sums it up:
> > Boris Johnson: the clown is crowned as the country burns in hell | Hannah
> > Jane Parkinson - the guardian
> > https://apple.news/Ay3gL-lSxMK2rYN6UnTKBww
> >
> > "I don’t really know what to say myself. I don’t understand how a man can
> > lie his way about bananas and condoms to high office. I don’t understand
> > how a man whose entire prep for anything seems to consist of drawing a
> cock
> > and balls – but in Latin! – on a sheet of paper, ends up in high office.
> >
> > Guardian Today: the headlines, the analysis, the debate - sent direct to
> > you
> >  Read more
> > I don’t understand how a man can be recorded offering to facilitate the
> > assault of a journalist and reach high office. I don’t understand how a
> man
> > can be fired twice for cavalierly making stuff up and reach high office.
> I
> > don’t understand how a man whose entire personality is a job-lot sold off
> > from a closing down joke shop can reach high office. A racist, an
> > inveterate liar, a man who makes Machiavelli look misunderstood and
> > Pinocchio button-nosed.
> >
> > It’s 33C outside in London. You can’t tell whether people are crying or
> > sweating. We can’t do anything until we get a say – which, this time, we
> > did not. So we beat on, against the sun, borne back ceaselessly into
> hell."
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Re: Thoughts on 50th...

[William Robb]

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 3:06 PM Bob Pdml  wrote:

>
> > On 21 Jul 2019, at 20:42, William Robb 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 21/7/19, Alan C, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >>
> >>> AI. There is no such thing. Machines only react to mountains of info in
> >>> their databases. They are incapable of original thought. The problems
> >>> with driverless cars occur when situations not in their databases are
> >>> encountered. At best, machines & robots are nothing more than super
> >> slaves.
> >>
> >
> > The problem with driverless cars is going to come to a head when a car
> has
> > to make a decision about who lives and who dies.
> > Either way, it’s a no win for the manufacturer and programmer of the
> > vehicle.
> >
> >
>
> https://theconversation.com/driverless-cars-once-theyre-on-the-road-human-drivers-should-be-banned-118293


Nice pap piece, but all it is doing is forwarding an agenda with a
narrative.

Put two people darting out into traffic with no way for the vehicle to
respond until someone is going to be hit. The car has to choose one or the
other to die.
Either way, especially if this happens in the USA, the company that built
the car, and the people who writhe the software that told the car which
choice to make, is going to face a pretty heavy lawsuit.

Frankly, it scares me that we are preparing to put machines into that
position. Who should live and who should die being decided by an algorithm.
The machine acting as God.


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Re: Thoughts on 50th...

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On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 5:59 AM Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 21/7/19, Alan C, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >AI. There is no such thing. Machines only react to mountains of info in
> >their databases. They are incapable of original thought. The problems
> >with driverless cars occur when situations not in their databases are
> >encountered. At best, machines & robots are nothing more than super
> slaves.
>
> Be interesting to see if this stands the test of time.
>
> If Skynet exists in the future, I'm sure they'll be paying you a little
> visit a few years ago


The problem with driverless cars is going to come to a head when a car has
to make a decision about who lives and who dies.
Either way, it’s a no win for the manufacturer and programmer of the
vehicle.

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Re: OT: The Most Beautiful Photos Taken On The Apollo 11 Mission

[William Robb]

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019, 2:01 AM Alan C  wrote:

> They are indeed. An amazing achievement. There are nevertheless many
> people who think some of the photos are fake - that no-one ever actually
> landed & walked on the moon.
>

Trump voters. They are to be pitied for their lack of intellect.
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Re: Paul's NYTimes piece

[William Robb]

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 10:50 PM mike wilson  wrote:

> Even odder, full-size Mustangs are selling like hot cakes here.
>

Full size pick up trucks here. It feels like about half of what is on our
roads are trucks. The Ford F150 is the #1 selling vehicle here followed by
the Chevy Silverado and Dodge Ram.

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Re: Paul's NYTimes piece

[William Robb]

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019, 12:01 PM David J Brooks  wrote:

> But,l I refill my propane tanks, I'm doomed
>

I've heard you refill your propane tanks with natural gas that your body
self  generates.

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Re: Paul's NYTimes piece

[William Robb]

We have quite a few hybrids floating around here, mostly Priuses and I was
surprised the other day when I saw a Nissan Leaf.
I expect it will be parked for the winter, though if they have heated
parking at home and at work it would be a viable winter commuter here.

bill

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 7:00 PM Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

> I suspect Bill and his neighbors will be driving gasoline fueled cars for
> some years to come but electric vehicle cold weather performance is
> improving.
> https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115039_chevy-bolt-ev-electric-car-range-and-performance-in-winter-one-owners-log
>
> Paul
>
> > On Jul 12, 2019, at 8:29 PM, William Robb 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> > That might work in Alabama in September, but when it's -40, a real
> heating
> > element is going to be needed.
> > This presumes that at those kinds of temperatures the batteries make
> enough
> > electricity to move the car in the first place.
> >>>
> >>
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Re: Paul's NYTimes piece

[William Robb]

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 4:23 PM John  wrote:

> Batteries generate a fair amount of heat when they're under load ...
> otherwise
> there wouldn't be all those stories about laptops & phones catching fire.
> You
> can tap the air-flow from battery cooling to heat the passenger
> compartment.
>
That might work in Alabama in September, but when it's -40, a real heating
element is going to be needed.
This presumes that at those kinds of temperatures the batteries make enough
electricity to move the car in the first place.

>
> I think the bigger problem is going to be providing AC to keep the
> passengers cool.
>
> On 7/12/2019 15:14:50, Bill wrote:
> > On 7/12/2019 12:13 PM, Alan C wrote:
> >> So owners will need two cars - one on charge & one on the road. Oh for
> a time
> >> machine!
> >>
> >
> > Nope, it's just going to take a while for battery technology to catch up
> to the
> > needs of long distance driving. That and more depth of charging stations
> that
> > can quick charge a vehicle will make electric realistic for longish road
> trips.
> >
> > Cabin heating will be a challenge. Right now, cabin heaters take heat
> from the
> > engine cooling system, but electric vehicles will have to heat the cabin
> off the
> > battery. This will be a range killer with winter driving. I expect AC
> units will
> > have some negative effect on range as well.
> > Personally, I think hydrogen fuel cells are the way to go, but as they
> have been
> > tried and discarded, the people who know more than me must know stuff I
> don't.
> > Right now, to me as a consumer, electrics are cute toys that show
> potential to
> > be useful, but they aren't there yet. I suspect it won't be long though.
> >
> > bill
> >
>
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Re: DFA* 50 F1.4

[William Robb]

I can't believe it took you this long to get one.
It is a remarkable lens.

bill

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 8:03 AM jtainter  wrote:

> Here are some images showing what this lens can do at F1.4:
>
> https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62855075
>
> This lens is truly remarkable.
>
> Joe
>
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Re: July PUG is up!

[William Robb]

Waterfalls are my specialty.

bill

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019, 1:17 AM Alan C  wrote:

> Thanks Brian & well done chaps. Fine images there. I must try it sometime.
>
> Alan C
>
> On 05-Jul-19 08:03 AM, Brian W wrote:
> > ...and a Happy July 4 to all our American PUGgers!
> >
> > View the July gallery here:
> >
> > http://pug.komkon.org/
> >
> > (you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery
> there).
> >
> > Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
> > infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the
> gallery,
> > let me know.
> >
> > +
> >
> > Next up: 'Four-legged Friends'.
> >
> > Full Submissions Guidelines here:
> >
> > http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html
> >
> > You can submit here:
> >
> > http://pug.komkon.org/submit/
> >
> > Cheers
> > Brian
> > ++
> > Brian Walters
> > Western Sydney Australia
> > https://500px.com/supera1000
> >
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Happy birthday

[William Robb]

To my American friends:
In these trying and uncertain times, remember that the U in USA stands for
United, and that there is no letter k in America.
Remember it is always darkest just before dawn, and as long as you can
elect your leaders, there is always hope for the future.
Remember that the people across the aisle from you are not the enemy, they
are not "total losers" no matter how much you disagree with them. They are
your fellow citizens.
Remember also that leaders lead by unifying, autocrats rule by dividing.
Be well, and if nothing else, enjoy the fireworks.
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Re: Stupid iPad

[William Robb]

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 2:41 PM Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> As an aside, my Final Cut Studio software that I bought brand new around
> 2006 was supplied with a full set of paper manuals (all 5 books!) and I
> find them easy to read, very clear in instruction, and easy to search in. I
> have never bothered with the software manuals as I enjoy picking them up
> and reading them when I have a problem, which is rare.
>
> I think the society we live in today takes a lot of things for granted.


Well Cotty, I no longer take for granted that my iPad has a working
keyboard.
It makes a pretty good stand for the device though.



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Stupid iPad

[William Robb]

And here I thought Apple stuff was supposed to be a cut above the rest for
quality.
I have an iPad Pro that has gone really flakey about the attached (Apple)
keyboard. Sometimes it works, mostly it doesn’t. This started happening
after the last update.
I have followed the simplistic instructions apple gives for fixing (shut
down, restart, clean the contacts, etc).
Any advice regarding how to make my iPad into something as reliable as a
cheap Huawei would be appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: OT: A penetrating look at the segregated South

[William Robb]

Is that what you call that thing?

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 6:05 PM Ken Waller  wrote:

>
> Didn't take long for this thread to drag the president in.
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Bill 
> >Subject: Re: OT: A penetrating look at the segregated South
> >
> >On 6/3/2019 2:29 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >> Certainly, segregation and discrimination affected the entire country.
> It
> >> was a matter of degree.
> >>
> >> It was not "actual law" in all 48 states as you claim, however. In our
> >> area, the public schools were fully integrated before the 1920s.   The
> >> difference in the way African Americans were treated in the 1960s
> between
> >> New Jersey and North Carolina was quite dramatic, based on my own
> personal
> >> experience.
> >>
> >> I would never claim that the north was or is perfect;  I am, however,
> sick
> >> and tired of attempts to excuse what happened in the south by the false
> >> claim that it was really no worse than the rest of the country.
> >>
> >> Dan Matyola
> >>
> >
> >Dan, it wouldn't surprise me if the orange baboon king declares by
> >executive fiat that May 20th will henceforth be known as Thomas Rice
> >Day, with everyone being given a can of black show polish.
> >Then you can be angry as well as sick and tired.
> >
> >bill
>
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Re: It looks like we'll have a Peak Designs tripod.

[William Robb]

My Feisol tripods allow the legs to be folded backwards so that the
normally wasted space below the head is filled with the head.
It’s a great feature and takes several inches off the length of the folded
tripod.
The peak design looks cool, and will surely appeal to a number of people,
but for the most part it is a solution to a relatively non existent problem.
Who really needs a high tech tripod to hold their smartphone still?

bill

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 10:14 AM Bipin Gupta  wrote:

> Looks like a good Tripod. As a Design Engineer I think one does not need a
> fund of US $ 500,000 to re-design one. A tripod is NO Space Age gizmo. It
> is Lo-tech stuff.
> In fact I have a trapezoidal - almost triangular - leg design Tripod I
> bought in Dubai some 27 Years back - eliminates dead space  and minimises
> packed down size with an 8 Kg 4-Button Ball Head.
> Note a true Travel Tripod should fold down to NO MORE than 12 inch in
> height for easy storage either inside or outside the Camera Back Pack or
> Sling Bag.
> I am afraid someone is going to pocket a lot of easy money.
> Regards.
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Re: OT: Food

[William Robb]

It would be nice if just once you could come up with something that at
least relates to the topic in some manner
Just sayin’

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 9:59 PM John  wrote:

> On 4/18/2019 02:10:51, Alan C wrote:
> > Having read all the other comments, I find myself wondering if
> barbecuing
> > (Braaing) is an Art or a Science!
> >
> > Alan C
> >
> > On 18-Apr-19 03:10 AM, William Robb wrote:
> >> Well barbecue, to be more precise. My lovely wife bought us a Louisiana
> >> Grill smoker style barbecue for our anniversary. I’ve been having a
> grand
> >> time smoking everything from avocado to zucchini. I want to do ribs on
> >> Friday. I just know we have some foodies out there who will have
> wonderful
> >> recipes to share.
> >> Please bring them on
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Bill
> >
> >
>
>
> Eastern North Carolina Barbecue - FWIW the quality of restaurant barbecue
> is
> inversely proportional to the distance from Wilson, North Carolina. Served
> with
> slaw, hush puppies and sweet tea. Forget about that Lexington BBQ crap,
> they use
> tomatoes in their sauce.
>
>
> Take a pig
> Split it in half
> Slow cook over a Hickory WOOD fire (coals in a pit is best) for 6 - 8
> hours
> until the meat just falls right off the bone.
> Chop it up and serve with Barbecue Sauce.
>
> Barbecue Sauce:
> Vinegar
> Black Pepper
> Salt
> [SECRET] ingredients that ain't tomatoes (mostly other peppers).
>
> Slaw:
> 1   Medium head of cabbage
> 1-1/2   cup Mayonnaise
> 3/4 cup chopped Mount Olive sweet pickles
> 1/2 cup chopped celery
> 1/2 cup white vinegar
> 1/4 cup sugar
> 1-1/2   teaspoon salt
> 1/4 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper
>
> Cut cabbage in half & grate fine
> In a large mixing bowl combine cabbage, mayonnaise, sweet pickles, chopped
> celery, vinegar, sugar, salt with fresh ground black pepper. Mix
> thoroughly.
> Chill for at least one hour
>
> Makes approximately 15 servings - gonna need at least 5 batches.
>
> Hush puppies:
> 1   cup yellow cornmeal
> 1   cup self-rising white cornmeal mix
> 1   cup self-rising flour
> 3/4 cup sweet onion - finely diced
> 2   Tbsp sugar
> 1   Tbsp salt
> 1   large egg, lightly beaten
> 1   cup buttermilk
> 1/4 cup whole milk
> 1/4 cup water
> 1/4 cup melted butter
>
> vegetable oil for frying
>
> Whisk dry ingredients in a large bowl. Combine wet ingredients in a small
> bowl.
> Stir wet ingredients into the dry until combined and let batter sit for 10
> minutes.
> Heat 2 - 3 inches vegetable oil to 350° (F) in a cast iron pot.
> Drop heaping Tablespoons of batter, 6 - 8 at a time, into the hot oil and
> fry
> until golden brown (about 1 to 2 minutes per side). Drain on a towel lined
> plate.
>
> Makes about 30 hush puppies (~ 10 servings) - gonna need at least 5 batches
>
>
> Sweet tea:
> 6   regular tea bags
> 1/8 teaspoon baking soda
> 2   cups boiling water
> 1-1/2 to 2  cups sugar
> 6   cups cold water
>
> Place tea bags in large Pyrex measuring cup with baking soda. Add boiling
> water
> Cover and let steep for 15 minutes
> Take out the tea bags DO NOT SQUEEZE
> Pour tea mixture into 2-quart pitcher; stir in sugar until dissolved
> Add cold water
> Let cool, then chill in refrigerator. Serve over ice.
>
> Makes a half gallon of Sweet Ice Tea - gonna need at least 5 gallons
>
> Invite 50 - 100 of your best friends (depending on size of that pig) to
> partake
> in "pickin' the pig".
>
> Kick back & relax.
>
>
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Re: OT: Food

[William Robb]

Yummy. What’s your favourite wood?

Thanks

Bill

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 7:32 PM Paul Stenquist 
wrote:

> I coat half-rack back ribs heavily with mustard then apply enough rub to
> cover completely. The rub is a mix of brown sugar, salt, paprika and black
> pepper. The first three ingredients are combined in equal amounts and then
> about half as much black pepper. When I know my guests will like it I add
> about 1/2 teaspoon cayenne. I give the rub at least a couple hours to work,
> then smoke the ribs at 225 degrees F for 2 hours, 45 minutes. When the time
> is almost up I prepare 18 inch by 18-inch squares of heavy duty aluminum
> foil. I put a half slab on each piece of foil, top each with a tablespoon
> of butter and wrap tightly. I then give them another 2 hours at 225F.
> Finally, I unwrap them, coat them with my bbq sauce and put them in the
> smoker just long enough for the sauce to begin to caramelize.
> Serve with Cole slaw, extra sauce (warm) and lots of napkins.
> Paul
>
> > On Apr 17, 2019, at 9:10 PM, William Robb 
> wrote:
> >
> > Well barbecue, to be more precise. My lovely wife bought us a Louisiana
> > Grill smoker style barbecue for our anniversary. I’ve been having a grand
> > time smoking everything from avocado to zucchini. I want to do ribs on
> > Friday. I just know we have some foodies out there who will have
> wonderful
> > recipes to share.
> > Please bring them on
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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OT: Food

[William Robb]

Well barbecue, to be more precise. My lovely wife bought us a Louisiana
Grill smoker style barbecue for our anniversary. I’ve been having a grand
time smoking everything from avocado to zucchini. I want to do ribs on
Friday. I just know we have some foodies out there who will have wonderful
recipes to share.
Please bring them on

Thanks

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Re: OT: Question for UK PDMLers

[William Robb]

I thought their was an agreement regarding politics on this forum.

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:10 AM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> I have been trying to follow your latest reality TV show.
>
> Who is running all of this --  Francis Urquhart or  Sir Humphrey Appleby?
>
> You still have not reached the American level of political theater, but you
> are approaching it.
>
> My heart goes out to you all.  It will, of course, sort itself out in the
> end, but what a wild ride!
>
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Re: OT - Another legit use beer

[William Robb]

On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 12:54 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> That publicity stunt is nothing but a desperate cry for attention.
> Their beer must really suck if that's what they are doing to market it.
>

The beer must really suck if it will develop film.

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Re: Boris 2019-06 - As it should be

[William Robb]

What a delightfully creepy little image. I mean this in a good way. It’s
what street photography would be if Alfred Hitchcock had designed the
street.
Bravo!!

Bill

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 12:52 PM Boris Liberman  wrote:

> Have a look:
>
> https://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2019/02/2019-06-as-it-should-be.html
>
> This little Panasonic Leica lens is a true gem.
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Re: circular vs linear polarizers

[William Robb]

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 8:46 PM Larry Colen  wrote:

> A discussion last weekend prompted me to try and learn the difference.
> I found this short article on the subject reasonably illuminating.



I always figured it was enough to know that they all reduce reflection from
most non metallic surfaces, and that the circular ones didn’t bugger up the
function of whatever was behind beam splitters.



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Re: OT: To our British Pentxians

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On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 5:24 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> It is a game, but like in any other game, results can be produced by
> ignoring the rules.


It’s a blood sport and like all blood sports there will be cheaters skewing
the results. The problem arises when you get people who don’t understand
that the game ends after the votes are counted winning elections. These
people may win at the polls, but they are not leaders.

Bill


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> Dan Matyola
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>
> On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 1:57 PM Boris Liberman  wrote:
>
> > Daniel, politics is not a game by definition. Game means rules, unless
> you
> > mean "game" as in subject of hunting. And rules means abiding by them.
> >
> > Politics, and especially high level politics, thus is anything but game.
> >
> > Do we really need to  go on on the list?
> >
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Re: OT, the brits on this list treat us Yanks with the greatest respect

[William Robb]

On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 4:21 PM Bob W-PDML  wrote:

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>
> > On 13 Jan 2019, at 22:19, Larry Colen  wrote:
> >
> >
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46846467?ns_mchannel=social_campaign=bbcnews=socialflow_facebook_source=facebook
> >
> > Frankly, I don't think I've ever had any difficulty noticing when when
> someone on this list is calling me an idiot.
> >
>
> That's what you think...


The Atlantic Ocean is the greatest sarc(h)asm in existence.

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Re: 2018 faves and chasing the muse

[William Robb]

On Wed, Jan 2, 2019, 9:49 AM Bruce Walker  I think the secret to making sure it's a joy and not a duty is to
> firmly resist the temptation to make photography a vocation.
>

Or make photographing naked women into a vocation.
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Re: OT: A New Life Partner

[William Robb]

That's really sweet Paul. Congratulations.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018, 1:01 PM Paul Stenquist  After about three years without my wife of 44 years, I decided I
> definitely didn’t like going it alone. Fortuitously, I met a wonderful lady
> who had also lost her mate to cancer after many years of marriage and was
> equally unhappy with life as a single.  We’ve been dating for about 14
> months and recently announced our engagement. It’s never too late for
> love!  But it is too late to attempt this without knee pads!
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Re: Merry Christmas

[William Robb]

Indeed. Happy Christmas to all, and remember that Jesus was a refugee.

On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 12:07 AM John  wrote:

> ... and a belated happy Hanukkah.
>
> I wish you all well for whatever winter solstice holiday you might
> celebrate.
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Re: Tis the season (for the PDML Quotations List)

[William Robb]

Damn. I couldn’t stay off it again.

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Birthday wishes

[William Robb]

You all should wish annasan a happy birthday. Well, a belated one anyway.

bill
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Re: A camera so hip it almost hurts

[William Robb]

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018, 6:53 AM Bruce Walker  It pains me to say this, but that's actually kind of appealing. :-)
>
> Does that make me, tragically, hip?
>
No, but it's hip to be square.

>
>
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 5:23 AM Larry Colen  wrote:
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> > Remember the kickstarter for the camera that uses leica mount lenses
> > someone posted a link to a while back?  Here's one that is even hipper.
> >
> >
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ondu-/ondu-iii-pinhole-cameras-perfect-shutter-snap-on-f?ref=project_link
> >
> .
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Re: Tripods

[William Robb]

On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 12:27 AM Larry Colen  wrote:

> My tripod has disappeared. I've searched the house and cars several
> times and can't find it anyplace. I've got a really bad feeling that I
> set it down and neglected to pick it up when the wave at Perpetua kicked
> my ass around the block.
>
> It was a Manfrotto carbon fiber base with and Induro BH3 ballhead.
>
> It was at the low end of the performance I need for my astro landscapes,
> and replacement cost is quite a bit more than I can pretend to afford.
> Are there any amazing deals on tripod bases or arca-swiss heads?
>
> Any decent comparison charts between different brands and models?


I’m pretty fond of Feisol tripods. They aren’t cheap, but they are pretty
good bang for the buck.

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Re: K-1 Mark II Upgrade?

[William Robb]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 10:03 AM Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Has anyone sent in a camera for the upgrade? I think both Stan and Bill
> have done so. How long did it take? Is there a marked improvement in
> performance over the original? Any downside other than price?


I didn’t bother as the upgrade wasn’t giving me anything I especially care
about. The brouhaha about the noise reduction is, IMHO, an overreaction.
The very thorough test that Pentax Forums did showed that noise was
reduced, detail wasn’t. The test that DPR did showed the opposite, but DPR
has a long history of not being able to run a test without fucking
something up.
If you do a lot of shooting at higher ISOs the upgrade would be a good
thing.

Bill



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Re: PESO - First shot with a new (to me) lens

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On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 5:43 PM Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Nice shot. Sharp, good detail. It’s a great lens, eclipsed perhaps only by
> the new much more pricey 50.


It’s definitely eclipsed by the new 50. I don’t sell lenses often.

Bill


>
> > On Aug 23, 2018, at 3:35 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> >
> >
> > The USPS just dropped of a package from Canada containing
> > the FA 50/f1.4 that Bill Robb offered for sale recently.
> >
> > It appears to be working ...
> >
> >http://www.panix.com/~johnf/PDML/alex.jpg
> >
> > It's not quite my first auto-focus prime - I was given an
> > SF1 with F 50/f1.7 by a neighbour when he abandoned film
> > and switched to a Nikon compact point-and-shoot digital.
> > But I gave that outfit away, and have been relying on my
> > trusty old A 50/f1.4 when I needed something beyond f/2.8
> >
> > I'm going to have to get used to thinking about DOF again ...
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Re: PESO - First shot with a new (to me) lens

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On Thu, Aug 23, 2018, 1:36 PM John Francis  wrote:

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> The USPS just dropped of a package from Canada containing
> the FA 50/f1.4 that Bill Robb offered for sale recently.
>
> It appears to be working ...
>
That's a relief. It arrived in good condition.

Bikk

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> SF1 with F 50/f1.7 by a neighbour when he abandoned film
> and switched to a Nikon compact point-and-shoot digital.
> But I gave that outfit away, and have been relying on my
> trusty old A 50/f1.4 when I needed something beyond f/2.8
>
> I'm going to have to get used to thinking about DOF again ...
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Re: Peso: Old Girl

[William Robb]

She's a Belgian Shepherd. Specifically she is a Turveren.
Of the four sub breeds of Belgians, I like the Turvs the best.

Thanks

bill

On Sun, Aug 5, 2018, 12:46 PM Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Bill,
> What breed is your beautiful girl? She had the face of a collie but
> unusual colors.
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Re: Irfanview replaces Adobe Camera Raw for PS CS2

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I told him that a couple of weeks ago.

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018, 1:49 PM Paul Stenquist  wrote:

> Your camera can shoot RAW DNG files. Your version of ACR can open them.
> Paul
>
> > On Jul 30, 2018, at 3:44 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> >
> > Last week I was looking for solutions for developing K=5IIs raw files
> > into jpgs as my ACR for PS CS2 does not support that camera. Someone
> suggested
> > Irfanview, so I installed the latest version V4.51 64 bit. opening the
> raw files
> > from my istDS to try it, I was disappointed compared to ACR and PS CS2.
> I left
> > Irfanview installed on my system however.
> >
> > Then later, something interesting happened. While in PS, I opened a
> istDS raw file
> > from the file menu and instead of ACR interface kicking in, an Irfanview
> interface
> > kicked in, with sliders for exposure, shadows, highlights, brightness,
> colorspace,
> > etc and an "open" button. Basically its a replacement for ACR, but if Im
> lucky, it
> > is up to date with all models of pentax DSLRs and it should be able to
> open K-5IIs
> > raw files as well as istDS file.
> >
> > Anyone else using irfanview interface instead of ACR with PS?
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Re: Random Flowers

[William Robb]

On 7/20/2018 5:03 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
> Exactly as I pictured it! Now go and make a large print of it.
> Simply stunning!
>

Already done. The print is positively 3 dimensional. Now she who must be
obeyed needs me to build a frame for it, cut a mat, mount it, get  glass
for it and submit it to her for the ceremony of presentation.
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Re: Usable ISO with K-3

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On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 12:32 AM Alan C  wrote:

> My K5 is OK up to 3200, noisy beyond. The K7 & K110D were already noisy
> at 800.


I hated the K7 at anything above base ISO. I still think it had the nicest
skin tone rendering I’ve seen out of a digital camera, providing it was
kept at ISO 100.

bill

>
>
> Alan C
>
>
> On 21-Jul-18 07:40 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
> > I almost never shoot above 400 ISO in my outdoor photography, a force
> > of habit.
> > For comparisons I shot some birdy images at the feeder and varied the
> > ISO up to 51200, same f stop with varying shutter speeds.
> >
> > Surprise, surprise but I got very usable captures up to 25600, but not
> > so much @ 51200 - which produced a noticeable color shift.
> >
> > A subjective evaluation that will give me a little more leeway in the
> > field.
> >
> > Wondering what list members have found in this regard with their DSLRs ?
> >
> > Kenneth Waller
> > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
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Re: D FA 50/1.4

[William Robb]

I think she is s secret subscriber to the list just for moments like this.
Anyway I appear to be under an NDA for a couple of days so please forget
you read this.

bill

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> On 18/7/18, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
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> >Now I need to figure out how to sneak it into the house.
>
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D FA 50/1.4

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Its here!

Now I need to figure out how to sneak it into the house.

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Re: Polarizing filters.

[William Robb]

I decided to go with the Zeiss filter. It’s on a 3-4 week backorder, which
should work well, as I’ve been promised the FA 50/1.4 on or around July
20th. I was pointed towards a site that tested a whole bunch of polarizer
and the Zeiss did very well indeed.

Thanks

Bill

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> On 28/6/18, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Well kids, it's just about that time. A little birdie has told me that
> >the D FA 50/1.4 is going to show itself within the next few days, and
> >will be released into the wild in the next few weeks.
> >With this in mind, I will be in the market for a 72mm polarizer, and as
> >the 50/1.4 is going to be so sharp that brand new Dozuki saw blades will
> >look like rusty butter knives in comparison, I feel I should be looking
> >for a fairly high quality one.
> >I know B are great filters, but are there any others that I should be
> >considering?
>
> I've used Lee filters in the past for video, very good quality...
>
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Re: PDML Annual

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On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 4:14 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> Oddly, I thought Ed was one of the guys I met at GFM back in 2007...
> wonder who I mixed him up with..


That was me.

bill

>
>
> Or is it -his- senior moment and he was there ! lol
> ann
>
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> > On 2/6/18, Ed Keeney, discombobulated, unleashed:
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> >> I received my 2018 (and 2017) annuals this week and once again I'm
> >> amazed by the abundance of talent here on PDML.  Seeing it in print
> >> form takes the PDML to another level.
> >>
> >> My wife has also enjoyed the books over the years.  I mentioned to her
> >> the Grandfather Mountain photo trip and she's almost on board (the
> >> camping part of the trip isn't in our wheelhouse).  Of course this
> >> won't happen for a few years when the kids move up and out.  It's now
> >> on my photo bucket list!
> > I'ts definitely worth doing - you won't regret it. Quite possible to do
> it while staying in a nearby motel.
> >
> > The last time I went was 10 years ago, with my son Stefan. He was 14 and
> recalls it fondly.
> >
> > Am going to try and aim for next year
> >
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Re: The Dog & Pony Show

[William Robb]

Their strategy appears to aim to be the last man standing. I'm not sure how
good it would be for the industry to only have one or two choices.
Monopolies or near monopolies are never a good thing.

bill

On Tue, May 22, 2018, 11:39 PM Gonz,  wrote:

> That is A LOT of money.  It can only be good for the industry, the
> resulting tech war should bring some interesting new products.
>
>
> On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 10:28 PM, Bill 
> wrote:
> > On 5/22/2018 9:17 PM, Gonz wrote:
> >>
> >> Wow, this is crazy... Sounds more than just throwing to see what
> >> sticks...  I guess time will tell.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://petapixel.com/2018/05/22/sony-investing-9b-in-image-sensors-aims-to-be-top-camera-brand-by-2021/
> >>
> >
> > They have a lot of money. It will be interesting to see if they can make
> it
> > stick to something.
> >
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Re: Did not make the photo annual cut ...

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On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 7:33 PM  wrote:

> On any case Bill is certainly the list punter.


Be nice or I will insert a picture of a puppy in your name next year.

bill

>
>
> On May 15, 2018 4:29:33 PM PDT, Bruce Walker 
> wrote:
> >On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:10 PM, Bill 
> >wrote:
> >> On 5/14/2018 5:30 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Let's see what shots of yours did not make it into the 2018 PDML
> >>> Annual.
> >>>
> >>> Here's the one of mine that didn't make the cut: "Dancer, seated"
> >>
> >> Yeah, I remember punting that one...
> >>>
> >>>
> >
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> >
> >Punting is a good thing, right? I've never been a sports fan so I'm
> >not too good with baseball metaphors.
> >
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Re: Did not make the photo annual cut ...

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On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 5:30 PM Bruce Walker  wrote:

> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 11:10 PM, Bill 
> wrote:
> > On 5/14/2018 5:30 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:
> >>
> >> Let's see what shots of yours did not make it into the 2018 PDML
> >> Annual.
> >>
> >> Here's the one of mine that didn't make the cut: "Dancer, seated"
> >
> > Yeah, I remember punting that one...
> >>
> >>
> https://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/GRxwiW8gVQx4/IsYE80yE9V.g
>
> Punting is a good thing, right? I've never been a sports fan so I'm
> not too good with baseball metaphors.


It’s what you do when you have lost that round.

bill

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Re: The Dog & Pony Show

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On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 2:57 PM Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> On 14/5/18, Gonz, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >Thanks for the insightful commentary.  Sounds bleak for the most part.
> >I've been slowly coming to the conclusion that the Pentax ship is
> >sinking and its time to board a new one.  Don't know which one
> >however, but it seems that mirrorless is taking over to some degree.
> >I would like to keep my best lenses if they are able to be mounted on
> >whatever new platform I move to without too much hassle, so that
> >remains to be explored.  If not, expect a butt load of lenses to be
> >offered to the gang here.
>
> Gonzosaurus - if you are serious, I would heavily recommend trying out
> Fuji stuff - with the added advantage that your pentax lenses can fit with
> a simple adapter.


The Fujis are gorgeous. I handled an X-T2 and an X-H1 as well. My major
complaint with the viewfinders seems to a great extent to have been
resolved. They have put in an accelerated refresh rate mode that takes the
refresh up to a hundred times per second. Apparently it swills battery
life. The trade-off for a decent viewfinder seems to be short battery life.

I have a cheap Chinese adapter for putting Pentax lenses onto my X-T1, it
works well enough. I saw an adapter with an aperture ring on it for making
control-free lenses work.
Truthfully, the Fuji works better than the Pentax for pre control-free
lenses. The Fuji does away with the green button kludge and turns the X-T1
into a crop sensor Pentax LX.

The K3II is probably as good a still camera as the X-T2 for the most part.
Perhaps not as fast, but both are 24mp sensors. The X-H1 is still 24mp, but
it looks like it has much better video. It is also quite large.

The Fuji lenses are every bit as good as anything Pentax has on the market.
The real lovelies are the 14/2.8, 23/1.4, 35/1.4 and the 56/1.2
I would say that those 4 are must haves.
And yes, I have them.

>
>
> Beyond that, Olympus make some good kit, albeit Micro 4/3rds so the pentax
> lenses will offer different angles of view, which is not necessarily a bad
> thing
>

My late friend and mentor, Brian Schneider used an Olympus in the later
years. He was a Pentax and Leica user when I met him in the mid 1970s. We
sort of lost touch for a few years, and then reconnected in the mid 1980s.
He went from Pentax to Nikon to Canon to Panasonic to Olympus from the mid
80s until the end. Much of my Pentax equipment came from him. I suppose in
a roundabout way, the PDML can thank him for the infliction that is me. I
would likely have not looked at the brand in 35mm had it not been for him
and the fact I already had a 6x7 (also his recommendation) and liked it and
it’s ponderous beastliness.

Here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/klatuu13/albums/with/72157642969810854

If you care to look at some of his work. He went through a bit of an over
the top HDR look for a while, but most of his work is pretty tasty.

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Re: Wondering!

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On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 12:23 PM Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com>
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> It might be fun if you could post those comments here.  


Don’t you think I’m reviled by enough people yet?

Bill

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> >
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> > On Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 11:24 AM Jack Davis, <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > 'Nuf said, Bill.Thanks!
> > > J
> > > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > >> On 4/20/2018 6:18 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
> > > >> What's the status of the PDML
> > > >> annual?
> > > >
> > > > In production. Sorry, I don't know more.
> > > >
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Re: Wondering!

[William Robb]

It's actually in Mark's hands. All they let me do is make crass comments
about the submissions as part of the vetting process.

bill

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> >> annual?
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Re: in case you want to feel old

[William Robb]

I bet I have a copy of it sitting on a hard drive someplace.

Bill

On Mar 18, 2018 5:09 PM, "Doug Brewer"  wrote:

> Ah, just when you think you may have done something memorable, you find
> out otherwise.
>
> No Poodles was a website I built after my wife and I visited Spain in
> 1998. It was a big hit at the time, but now, apparently, consigned to the
> internet dump.
>
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>> On 18/3/18, Doug Brewer, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>
>> 2018 marks twenty years since the debut of "No Poodles."
>>>
>>
>> I used to be cryptic, but now I'm fishy fishy where does that fishy be
>>
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Re: in case you want to feel old

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No Poodles is the name of my Wi-Fi network.
I loved that story.

On Mar 18, 2018 10:57 AM, "Doug Brewer"  wrote:

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Re: Pentax Sighting

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On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:23 PM Rick Womer  wrote:

> The medical optics division was the only part of Pentax that Asahi didn’t
> sell off several years ago. Alas, name and ancestry are the only common
> elements your camera and the medical equipment share.


When Hoya bought Pentax, it was for the medical imaging division. When they
sold the photographic side to Ricoh, they kept medical imaging, and
apparently the rights to the brand name.
Ricoh picked up the photographic side for something like 125 million USD.

I remember joking at the time that the PDML collectively could probably
have raised the capital to make the purchase, probably Stenquist could have
done it himself by putting a second mortgage on his castle.

Bill

>
>
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> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 21:49 John  wrote:
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> > I had a doctor's appointment today at the VA in Durham. They had some
> kind
> > of Pentax Medical equipment in the examining room. Brand new & a whole
> rack
> > of equipment all with PENTAX logos. I didn't have a camera with me today,
> > but the Doctor said it would be OK for me to come back some time next
> week
> > & take a photo of it.
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Re: What makes a photo work in color or black and white

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On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 8:16 PM Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:

> I realize all are speaking tongue in cheek here, but I recall some
> dramatic images from Chicago’s Southside Irish parades. And some post
> parade shots from NY’s Hell’s Kitchen with green garb and red blood. Great
> stuff.


More speaking in generalizations. Obviously there are going to be outliers.

Bill

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> > On Mar 17, 2018, at 9:48 PM, William Robb <anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>
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> > I'm wondering how that would be a strong image in the first place.
> >
> >> On Mar 17, 2018 10:07 AM, "John" <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 3/17/2018 00:56, Bill wrote:
> >>
> >> To me, colour generally works for weaker compositions. It's sort of the
> >>> photographic equivalent of baffle them with bullshit.
> >>> Strong composition will work in either colour or B, weaker
> composition
> >>> may work in colour because of the colour (yer average sunset, for
> example),
> >>> but will likely not succeed in B
> >>>
> >>> bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Color works where it's an integral part of the image. How are you going
> to
> >> shoot a Saint Paddy's Day parade in B?
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Re: What makes a photo work in color or black and white

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I'm wondering how that would be a strong image in the first place.

On Mar 17, 2018 10:07 AM, "John"  wrote:

> On 3/17/2018 00:56, Bill wrote:
>
> To me, colour generally works for weaker compositions. It's sort of the
>> photographic equivalent of baffle them with bullshit.
>> Strong composition will work in either colour or B, weaker composition
>> may work in colour because of the colour (yer average sunset, for example),
>> but will likely not succeed in B
>>
>> bill
>>
>>
> Color works where it's an integral part of the image. How are you going to
> shoot a Saint Paddy's Day parade in B?
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Re: OT: Stephen Hawking

[William Robb]

On Mar 14, 2018 11:18 AM, "Daniel J. Matyola"  wrote:

It's Pi day, and Einstein's birthday, and Stephen Hawking passed away today:

http://time.com/5199167/stephen-hawking-death-date-pi-day/


Coincidence? Or is everything interconnected on a cosmic scale?



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Re: 6 Pentax 35mm Lenses Tested

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On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 4:46 PM Toralf Lund  wrote:

> On 07/03/18 03:16, Bill wrote:
> > On 3/6/2018 1:27 PM, Henk Terhell wrote:
> >> For those having a weakness for lenses of 35 mm focal length:
> >> There is a recent comparison of good old Pentax 35 mm lenses by
> >> "vyoufinder" on YouTube:
> >> https://youtu.be/IrjwRUi3jfQ
> >> A pleasure to watch (recorded near Moab Utah), and the music is not
> >> bad either.
> >>
> >> Henk
> >>
> > Worst soundtrack ever. Absolutely unlistenable.
> > Sorry Henk for sending that offlist message. I can't get T-Bird to
> > work properly with mail lists.
> You may want to go to Preferences->Advanced->Config Editor..., and look
> for "mail.override_list_reply_to"...


Been there, done that (thanks Igor). For reasons unbeknownst to me, it
doesn’t hold the setting, and reverts to the default setting as soon as the
program is restarted.

Thanks

Bill

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Re: Thunderbird help.. a small disaster!

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Maybe check and see if you didn’t inadvertently drag the folder into
another one.
You could also do a general search for the folder in Windows Explorer.
Also, is it possible you accidentally tagged it as a hidden folder? Do you
have your system set to show hidden folders?

Bill



On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:20 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> I have my inbox in thunderbird with two subfolders (in addition to top
> folder)  PDML and EBAY ... I download ALL my mail.. hardly ever look at
> it on line..
> I use it as a file system of information ... I was fiddling with font
> sizes just now and suddenly POOF -- the ebay folder disappeared TOTAY!
> I have email going from 2015 to the present .
> What could I have done?  Have I simply hid the folder by hitting a wrong
> key?
>
> I started to go for help on line and got to a place where someone was
> going to charge me for the answer.  gr.
>
> I'm on WIndows 7 pro - as I think most of you who also use thunderbird
> might remember. (or not ;-))
>
> It has to be hiding somewhwere, right?
>
> should I do system restore to a couple of hours ago? or is there
> something simple within Thunderbird?
>
> Help!
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Re: Peso - at the Hockney exhibit

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On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 7:47 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> This is set for the way I like to look at it on my monitor...
> smugmug has a whole bunch of sizes to chose from - on bottom right...
> which include phones, etc...
>
>
>
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-2018snaps/i-XVK4ZMB/L


That is a really cool picture.

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Re: K1-II spec leaked, seems like minor improvements only

[William Robb]

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:29 PM Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> Rob Studdert wrote:
>
> >The K5IIs actually made the K5 useful, I'm still using my mK5IIs, my
> >pair of K5 bodies are long gone, their focus speed/accuracy in low
> >light was appalling. If these specs are true it's really offering a
> >very very limited advantage over the original K1.
>
> Well, yeah. That's the point: To offer just enough improvement to be
> useful but not enough to piss off people who already have a K-1 (by
> making them think they should have waited).
>
It doesn’t appear to have worked out very well. People here and on that
somewhat neurotic forum dedicated to Pentax are having kittens because of
this “useless upgrade”.
This seems to be another case of the more you have, the less happy you are.

Ricoh doesn’t seem to be giving Pentax the unlimited resources required to
build a world class system in a hurry, and at this point, they need to be
fleshing out some sort of prime lens system more than new cameras.
We’ll get out K1 replacement, but I expect it won’t happen until they can
plunk a 50mp sensor into it and not have it cost $3k or more.

As for the K3 replacement, it’s quite possible that Ricoh has decided that
 high end APS-C is now a dead end and will continue with lower end bodies,
or perhaps go mirrorless with that format while concentrating their
flagship efforts on the 35mm format.


> >On 16 February 2018 at 11:13, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> >> Uh...yes. I have the lenses and camera (k-1) I need. Want the 70-250
> but waiting for a price break. The K-1 II is a typical between models
> upgrade, much like we saw between the K5 and K3. The next full frame camera
> will probably be a Nikon 850 clone, and Ill buy it. No problem here,
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>> On Feb 15, 2018, at 6:39 PM, Zos Xavius  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Most pointless update ever IMO. Are they taking a page from Canon now?
> Wtf
> >>> Ricoh? No k3 replacement in sight either. No new GR. A lens or two a
> year
> >>> now? Will there be any pentaxians left???
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Re: A bit of snark from fstoppers

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On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 10:42 AM Larry Colen  wrote:

>
> The URL pretty much says it all
>
>
> https://fstoppers.com/originals/random-person-proclaims-his-uncle-prefers-nikon-photographer-immediately-sells-206406


If “This is That” did a piece on photography, it would look very much like
that article.

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Re: OT: Photography Drone

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On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 1:38 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> Does anyone on the list use a drone for photography.  If so, shat do you
> have, how do you use it and what do you recommend?


Hi Dan, I occasionally fly a DJI Phantom 3 drone. It’s a small quadcopter
with a fairly small Sony backlit sensor and a pretty wide angle lens. It
isn’t a fisheye, but it’s close. They do well as a flying big landscape
camera. Mine is 12Mp.
Think point and shoot with wings.
They are limited by their small size. They aren’t stable enough for a long
lens and can’t haul a bigger camera into the air. They are stupidly easy to
fly, and will generally return to home automatically if it senses the need.
Try to make your outward flight into the wind. That way the plane won’t
have to fight the wind coming home.
From a photography perspective, all of the Phantom class copters will have
about the same abilities, the limitation being the small size.


I think there isn’t much in between Phantom sized and big load carrying
machines. The big ones, such as the DJI 1000 series can carry a full sized
DSLR into the air. The price of admission is north of 10 grand. They can be
upwards of 2 meters tip to tip, and have 8 rotors. They have the advantage,
photographically, of being able to carry a bigger payload. Another
advantage ir motor redundancy. If a quadcopter loses a motor, it crashes.
If an octocopter loses one, the pilot should probably turn for home, but
even if two motors go down, the machine will probably make it home.

As more and more areas become no fly zones, it is getting harder and harder
to fly them at all, much less legally. The machines know where they are and
have regions prorammned in where they won’t fly.
It’s possible to thwart this technology, which is why they show up beside
airliners from time to time.

Bill


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Re: Adapting Nikon lens for K-mount?

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On Nov 27, 2017 3:02 AM, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:


>I recall you did that to an A*85/1.4 as well.

Indeed.

In fact, that lens is still doing a stellar performance for my son - his
favourite prime for video.

It's still a desecration. If there is a hell, there is a special place for
people who do things like that.


Some of the shots on his showreel are with the A*85/1.4:





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Re: Adapting Nikon lens for K-mount?

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On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 4:10 PM Steve Cottrell  wrote:

> No help to you, but I once paid a company to adapt a Nikkor 16-35/2.8
> permanently to Canon EF mount. My son uses it as a cine wide zoom for his
> C300 - it has an aperture ring (essential for video).
>

I recall you did that to an A*85/1.4 as well.

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Re: In Memory of Calleigh

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On Nov 21, 2017 5:07 PM, "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:

On 21/11/17, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This precious little dog, owned by a dear friend of ours, was murdered by a
>pit bull yesterday on the Streets of Baltimore.  Her owner had surgery
>yesterday, and should be released from the hospital today, although I don't
>know if she will be well enough to join us for Thanksgiving.
>
>Bandit loved Calleigh, and will miss her.
>
>https://www.photo.net/gallery/1107926#

That's appalling! Are the police involved?


Getting involved in a dog fight is a sure fire way to get seriously injured
if you don't know what you are doing, and even if you do, it's a pretty
sure way to get injured.


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Re: OT Cloud storage

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On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 8:52 AM David J Brooks  wrote:

> I have been using multiple ext hard drives for my back ups mostly
> phots and  documents. I'm going to have to purge somethings next year,
> running out of HD space probably by mid 2018 at current shooting rate.
> U have everything on the Ext but would like to put it al in one spot
> as well. One of our camera club members uses Crashplan but just
> wondering what others can recommend to me. Crash plan does not offer
> individual storage anymore just business but its $10 a month for
> unlimited storage so its got that going for it.
>

The problem with cloud storage is that it is only as secure as the company
doing the storage. If it goes out of business, or gets hacked, etc, your
data might just disappear.
I’ve been using Drobos for over a decade now. I’m on unit two now because
the first one was a USB-1, and was getting too slow with data writing as
files got larger.
I think the one I have now is a Drobo 5d. They seem reliable, and are
infinitely expandable by increasing drive capacity. They offer double disc
redundancy, so if two drives kaak, you don’t lose anything, though this
comes at the expense of capacity.

bill

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Re: PUG themes for 2018

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On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 4:37 AM Brian Walters 
wrote:

> I've been a bit slack in getting the themes for 2018 sorted.  Here's short
> list
> of 17 possibles - 5 to be culled.
>
> Please nominate your least favs...
>
> Up in the air
> Arches
> Symmetry
> Shadow
> Circular
> Cold
> Gathering
> Looking in/Looking out
> Night
> On the streets
> Sunrise/Sunset
> Tilted
> Upon closer examination...
> Water
> Songlines (illustrate a favourite song)
> Rusted
> Industrial
>
>
> Cheers
> Brian


You could lose Gathering and Looking in/Looking out AFAIAC.

Bill

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Re: scanning 120 negatives?

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Take their jpegs and use them. Just don't save to jpeg again until your
final file. It's doubtful you will see any degradation. It's likely that
their jpeg will be quite a bit better than anything you can get off a
flatbed scanner.

On Oct 30, 2017 1:18 PM, "Larry Colen"  wrote:

> I picked up a couple rolls of 120 film (100 & 400 ASA) this morning at
> Bay. It turns out that they process the film, but will only scan to JPEG. I
> guess I'll need to scan it myself. I've got an EPSON 2480 scanner, so
> hopefully that'll work.  The related threads are proving interesting.
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Re: PESO: IX XI

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On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 8:23 AM Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> William Robb said:
>
> "You guys should get over it."
>
> We shall not.  Especially in my area, we were all deeply affected by it,
> and know people who perished in the Twin Towers.


I guess the terrorists have won then, haven’t they?

>
Just don’t ask the countries America has abused with bombs to not hold a
grudge.


>
> You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.  I guess, by the lack of
> contrary opinions, most here agree with you agree with you.
>
> What attracted me to this particular item is the way it recalls this iconic
> sculpture:
>
> http://www.visitphilly.com/museums-attractions/philadelphia/love-park/
>
> Thanks for looking.
>
> Dan
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> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 11:33 AM, William Robb <
> anotherdrunken...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> > On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:12 PM Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From the 9/11 Memorial Museum:
> > >
> > > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2017/10/28/ix-xi
> > >
> > > Comments are appreciated.
> >
> >
> > You guys should get over it.
> >
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Re: PESO: IX XI

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On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:12 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
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> From the 9/11 Memorial Museum:
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> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2017/10/28/ix-xi
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> Comments are appreciated.


You guys should get over it.



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Re: On another note

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On Oct 20, 2017 9:46 AM, "Eric Weir"  wrote:


> On Oct 17, 2017, at 3:47 PM, John  wrote:
>
> On 10/17/2017 13:21, Eric Weir wrote:
>>> On Oct 17, 2017, at 12:55 PM, John  wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you remember what milepost that was?
>>>
>>> I was up there Saturday night, milepost 430 at the Cowee Mountain
Overlook.
>>>
>>> Barely made it in time for sunset, but I stuck around to photograph the
after-glow.
>> I was staying at Julian Price campground, on my way back from Banner
Elk, probably north of the Linn Cove Viaduct. I would guess between
mileposts 300 and 305. (By the way, one of the best Mexican restaurants
ever—literally—in Banner Elk. Puerto Nuevo.)
>
> You ought to plan on coming to the Grandfather Mountain Nature
Photography Weekend one year then. It's right around the corner between
Julian Price & Banner Elk.

I have noticed that (some) folks here are drawn to that, as I recall,
sometimes from afar and repeatedly. Is it a PDML thing or just something
that PDML folks are drawn to? What’s it like? What happens? What do people
do?


Mostly sit around, drink too much, and make fun of Norm.
That and get Cesar so hammered that he sleeps through the gate opening.
And wait until it's about 3:00am in Britain and wake up Cotty.
Good times.



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UPS Stupidy

[William Robb]

I ordered some stuff from Lee Valley Tools to support my other hobby.
Working on the theory that I am never home when UPS wants to deliver, and I
don’t really want a bunch of expensive tools sitting in a box on my back
landing, I changed the delivery to pick up at one of their outlets that is
close to where I work.
I was home for supper, and the UPS driver came to my back door and knocked.
As I was opening the door, he scanned the parcel, and told me that it had
been redirected to the depot and I would be able to pick it up tomorrow.
And with that, he took my parcel back to his van and drove away.

And people wonder why I despise UPS.

Have fun

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Re: False news

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On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 7:16 AM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

> Steve said:  "Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry.
> I was in north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which
> were in Santa Clara."
>
> Oh, you were in Kalifornia.  That's not exactly "America" by the standards
> of the other states.
>

Yup. California isn’t trying to take the USA back to the 1950s.
Lynched any Negros lately?

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> > On 17/10/17, ATT, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >
> > >But seriously, did you really?
> >
> > Yes indeed. Went to school a short distance away from Larry. I was in
> > north America from 1964 through 1976, the latter 10 years of which were
> in
> > Santa Clara.
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Re: Water your wiskey

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For me it depends on which hand the glass is in. Right hand is clockwise,
left is anticlockwise.

Bill

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 12:17 PM Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:

> Do you twirl the glass clockwise or anticlockwise?
>
> Alan C
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> -Original Message-
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> Don't think or it as "diluting," but as enlivening.  Remember, the
> distillers dilute the wiskey when they barrel it.  Adding a bit of room
> temperature water to the glass simply wakes up the taste and aroma of the
> wiskey.
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> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Ken Waller <kwal...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> > I've taken my bourbon both ways, enjoy them both but generally prefer not
> > to dilute, especially the really good stuff.
> >
> > Kenneth Waller
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> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <pnstenqu...@mac.com
> >
> > Subject: Re: OT: Water your wiskey
> >
> >
> >
> > Ditto. I drink both scotch and bourbon over ice. If it's very special,
> >> I'll try some neat but only to get an undiluted sample.
> >>
> >> Paul via phone
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> >> On Aug 20, 2017, at 12:11 PM, William Robb <anotherdrunken...@gmail.com
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> >>> wrote:
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> >>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 6:51 AM Daniel J. Matyola <
> danmaty...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/17/543902701/
> >>>> chemists-say-you-should-add-a-little-water-to-your-whisky-
> >>>> here-s-why?utm_source=npr_newsletter_medium=email&
> >>>> utm_content=20170820_campaign_term
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There was at one time, a radio program on the CBC called Ideas. One
> >>> Robbie
> >>> Burns day there was a series of interviews with cellarmasters from the
> >>> major distillers in Scotland.
> >>> Every single one of them indicated that whisky should be diluted
> >>> somewhat
> >>> with water. They all had their own recommendation regarding how much,
> >>> varying  from 25% to 50%, but the message from each was the same.
> >>> I don't know if it's the same for whiskey, but I do find I prefer
> >>> bourbon
> >>> over ice rather than neat.
> >>>
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> <http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/17/543902701
> >>>> /chemists-say-you-should-add-a-little-water-to-your-whisky-
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> >>>> utm_content=20170820_campaign_term>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
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Re: OT: Water your wiskey

[William Robb]

On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 6:51 AM Daniel J. Matyola 
wrote:

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> http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/17/543902701/chemists-say-you-should-add-a-little-water-to-your-whisky-here-s-why?utm_source=npr_newsletter_medium=email_content=20170820_campaign_term


There was at one time, a radio program on the CBC called Ideas. One Robbie
Burns day there was a series of interviews with cellarmasters from the
major distillers in Scotland.
Every single one of them indicated that whisky should be diluted somewhat
with water. They all had their own recommendation regarding how much,
varying  from 25% to 50%, but the message from each was the same.
I don't know if it's the same for whiskey, but I do find I prefer bourbon
over ice rather than neat.

Bill

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Re: K-3 question

[William Robb]

I shot a total eclipse in Estevan in around 1978, and spent some time
making sure I wasn't going to trash my camera.
The longest lens I has was a 200mm, I would have liked a 300. I think a 400
would have been too much.
I guess these days there are zooms, but they were rare and crappy at that
time.

Anyway, the wisdom back then was to keep your mirror down except during
exposure because of the possibility of cutting the curtain. Mostly it was
cloth shutters and I had an F2 which was titanium foil. I think now the
shutters are all made of some sort of plastic. I don't know if they will
take that sort of heat or not.
I had a mylar filter in a card that the local astronomy club said was safe
to view the sun with, so I held it over the front of the lens for
composing, and then took my eye away from the viewfinder and the filter
away from the lens to take pictures. Once totality was achieved, the filter
wasn't needed. I think we were right in the middle of the shadow for that
one. The totality seemed to go on forever.

Bill

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:37 PM Zos Xavius  wrote:

> Don't use Live View with just the lens and no filter. You will
> probably nuke your sensor. If you have to tape some welder's glass
> over your lens, but that may block too much light for fast exposures.
> Mirror up is probably fine due to the short exposures involved but you
> still have to compose somehow. You are basically turning your camera
> into a giant magnifying glass pointed at the sun. Something to think
> about. I would try to reduce the amount of light somehow given the
> magnification involved. You are going to likely need to use live view
> to get the best focus result. Your shutter speeds should be relatively
> fast even with a good ND filter so I wouldn't worry about mirror up so
> much. I would set it up in live view and then trigger with a remote.
> As long as you stay in live view the mirror will be locked up and you
> shouldn't get a lot of shake other than the shutter.
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Re: PESO - Woman relaxing in a kimono (nsfw)

[William Robb]

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 12:24 PM Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Been a while since I turned my attention to simple portraits. A little
> nsfw.
>
> http://portfolio.brucemwalker.com/index/IbEBkD8ELkxY
>
> 645z, 90mm/2.8 macro at f/8.0, 1/125th sec, 100 ISO.
> 4'x8' softbox camera-left.
>
> Enjoy, or at least sigh quietly in disgust. :)



> WOW!!!


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Re: August PUG - Last Call

[William Robb]

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:36 PM Brian Walters 
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> G'day all
>
> I'll be closing submissions on Saturday evening 5 August, Sydney time.
>
> Theme: City Transportation


I do believe I might have something.

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Re: The rumor I heard today ...

[William Robb]

On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 9:35 PM Mark C  wrote:

> I may be wrong but I think Hoya hung onto Pentax Mdical as a separate
> company and sold the general photographic division to Ricoh. See
>
> https://www.pentaxmedical.com/pentax/en/92/1/PENTAX-Medical-Overview
>
> "PENTAX Medical is a division of HOYA Group delivering endo-imaging
> solutions."
>
> Mark


Hoya bought Pentax for the medical imaging division. The last thing they
wanted was the camera part of the company. That was why the QC went to hell
on the K5. All they were interested in was squeezing as much profit out of
the photographic equipment as they could. Ricoh only paid something like
125 million for the camera division.

>
>
>
> On 6/26/2017 1:04 PM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
> > ... (at a dealer) is that Nikon wants Ricoh.
> > I think they want the medical and office equipment divisions.
> > Probably could care less about the cameras.
> > Maybe PDML should buy the camera division.
> > Let's all chip in.
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Re: OT - "as if" physics question

[William Robb]

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:34 AM ann sanfedele  wrote:

> What is the difference in virtual weight of a pack (say, ten lbs) being
> carried bys omeone walking on level ground and the same person carrying
> the same pack up a flight of stairs?


It's 42.

Actually, it's about 32.4 calories to carry 10 pounds up a flight of stairs
presuming 10' from floor to floor.

Bill

>
>
> I'm sure I'm not using the corrrect terms here, I"m sure but I'm looking
> for the as if  related to the stress it puts on my body.
>
> Is it like I'm carrying 5 more lbs?  20 more lbs?  etc
>
> answer ON list so ten people don't have to respond :-)
>
> thanks, guys
>
> ann
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Re: Lens improvements

[William Robb]

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 7:39 AM Collin Brendemuehl 
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> It seems odd that one might pay $475 for the Pentax A* 300/4 when a newer
> quality Sigma AF APO 300/4 can be acquired for $300.
> Sure, the A* is built like a tank. But I'm not going to war with it.
> With all the APO optics improvements I would think the A* (but for
> collectors) would be a lot cheaper?


A lot of people, myself included, prefer OEM equipment on general
principals. If I didn't like Pentax glass, there isn't much reason to shoot
with Pentax bodies.

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Re: New member

[William Robb]

Hi Michael, you found the place. You can tell me in a few weeks if I did
you any favours.

Team PDML

I met Michael last Saturday. I traded him the address to this group of
motley yobs for a hamburger. He's a lot nicer than I am.

Bill


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> I would like to introduce myself to the forum.  My name is Michael
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Re: new appreciation

[William Robb]

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 8:24 AM Bruce Walker  wrote:

> I heartily Me Too your endorsement, Dave. :)  I have also put together
> a few Blurb books in the past -- just myself, not a team -- and can
> appreciate your group's effort and _especially_ what Mark and Co
> achieve.


It's all Mark and Doug. I get sent a link and some quiet expectation that I
will make acerbic comments about the pictures.
This year I almost made it to the finish line until my eyesight was cruelly
debilitated by complications from a stupid disease.
I blame my mother.

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Re: Controversy around McCurry

[William Robb]

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 7:46 PM Bruce Walker  wrote:

> Yeah, I followed this one and read that article last year. It's very
> interesting to me because a lot of folks do and have done what Steve
> did, with the main difference being that their work didn't end up in
> NatGeo -- a publication with some very strong and specific guidelines
> about what they will publish.
>
> For instance, there's lots of love for Elliot Erwitt here. I only
> recently learned that he often staged his shots. The prime example
> given was the French boy on a bicycle with a couple of baguettes,
> which he apparently setup with the help of a couple of friends.
>
>
> http://www.hlphotogallery.com/sites/default/files/HLphoto_Elliott_Erwitt_Provence_France_Boy_Bicycle%26Baguette.jpg
>
> Does this make him any less of a photographer or the image any less iconic?
>
> Does Steve McCurry's set up shots make him less of a photographer or
> the images any less iconic?
>
> We're all taught how to make our images stand out and get noticed, and
> both these figures were doing just that. Unfortunately for him, Steve
> broke some rules imposed by NatGeo.
>
> I still love his work.


McCurry passes himself off as a photojournalist, Erwitt doesn't.



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> >
> > This was happening last year, but I didn't see it.
> > As far as I can tell, it was not discussed here. So, for those, who like
> > myself missed it completely.
> > Apparently, people discovered quite a few digital manipulations as well
> as
> > "staging" of the photos by Steve McCurry.
> >
> https://petapixel.com/2016/06/07/eyes-afghan-girl-critical-take-steve-mccurry-scandal/
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