Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
On Aug 11, 2013, at 10:55 , Paul Sorenson wrote: I think I've posted this link before, but it's no less valid... http://www.shutterbug.com/content/point-view-prints-are-precious-or-praise-shoebox And...after you've made a print of family members, note on the back who they are. I have prints from early in the 20th century that I know are family members, but have no idea who they are or where they fit into the family. -p Put together all snaps that contain that or those people and you may discover from the photos context who they are or where they belong in the genealogy. Fortunately for me, the cousin who was the major source of family photos and documents, Claudia Jane, had already identified many of the subjects on the back, in pencil lightly, if they had not already been done by her grandmother, Lou Edna. When her grandmother, my aunt, was fading over time my cousin asked, and was told she could have it all. It now takes up a whole bedroom in her house. I'm afraid quite a bit was left out of any order she had then in when we started. I could have copied several hundred more of people I did not know, my aunt's girlfriends from school in the 20s and 30s, and their families including visits to various SW geologic shrines. Some of the images I have are from the incredibly small (1x 1.5) prints, some folded into sleeves or booklets. Hard to copy well. Others are just amazing images well over 100 years old, sharp, posed well. Keeping the eyes still for 30 secs to 30 minutes posed a real problem back then. Great explorations! Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: 11 August 2013 04:58 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots On 10/08/2013 12:44 PM, John wrote: I don't think snapshots have anything to do with best work. Cartier-Bresson, as brilliant a photographer as he was, was little more than a snapshooter. If I am not mistaken, his printing was done by a lab. that doesn't make someone a snapshooter, and HCB was far from that. His photos are rigorous in their timing and composition. His sense of geometry is superb and his nose for the event was exceptional. He was trained in composition and spent his life among great artists, and indeed is one of them, so that it was part of his character and being. He was the very antithesis of the snapshooter, at least as I understand the term, even if he did take pictures quickly, and even if he was very self-deprecating, not to say disparaging of photography at times. just sayin. They're memories we want (need?) to keep. The important images aren't even on the paper. Good photographs evoke some sort of memory in us. None of the shit that is passed of as the rules, be it compositional or technical, matter a whit if the image doesn't tap into an emotional response of some sort. What matters is does the image grab some part of you and hold on to it. Good, effective photography (or indeed any of the visual arts) are no different from writing in that they depend for their effectiveness on some sort of grammar. Good writing is not, by and large, just a random scattering of words on a page, presented to the world without any kind of selection process. It's a process of trying out different arrangements, then selecting the ones you think have something to offer. Even someone like Pollock, who relied to some extent on chance and randomness to produce his work, selected what he showed to the world. Analysis after the fact will tend to show that the most successful have certain properties in common, and these properties tend to cluster around the so-called rules. It follows from this that if you want to be successful in whatever it is you're trying to do with your photos, or your writing, or watercolours or elephant dung, you are more likely to be so if you use the available grammar, or perhaps deliberately abuse it with malice aforethought, depending on what you and your public thinks success is. Otherwise any success you may have is an accident and not something you can hope to repeat except by chance. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:22 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: That is the viewpoint from a collector, of course. If we don't produce any artifacts now, there won't be anything to collect later. The basic concept has been brought up several times over the last many years. Not only do people not make prints, they don't get the photos off of their devices. I guessing most of us know someone that lost all of the photos when a phone or computer was lost. Apple, Google, Smugmug and others may help a little bit as photos taken on a phone can automatically be copied to the Internet, but when the person quits using the account (for whatever reason) all of those photos go away. If you don't take an active part in constantly backing up your photos, and moving them to whatever new and improved media emerges, they will be gone. As silly as it sounds, the fragile paper print may be the most archival media for most people simply because it can be put in a shoebox, stuffed under the bed and forgotten for a few decades. Agreed! This is an interesting topic both in the general and personal sense. Having passed the half century mark and not having kids, I've been thinking about all my stuff, and, of course, that includes photography. What do I leave behind? Is anybody really going to be interested in my stuff (probably not)? Darrel I have started cleaning house this summer, culling my personal library, giving away clothes and household items to charity. There's much more work ahead, but it's really starting to feel liberating. I don't think anyone in my family will be interested in the stewardship of hard drives with digital negatives (frankly, I don't find it much fun either :-)), but they do have interest in prints and as you'd expect, prints of family moments. Prints are mainly stored in boxes to be sure, but not all. And my family really enjoys looking at the photo books we can make through blurb. They enjoy looking at the PDML annual, and they really enjoyed looking at the Wilson book the UK PDMLers and I made for the Wilsons as a thank you gift after last year's trip to England. So this is the direction I'm headed. It's no longer a question of, how am I going to store this stuff digitally (though that issue doesn't go away obviously), but rather, let's get these photos printed up and in books for both future enjoyment and perhaps more reliable backup if you will. This also includes my own personal work--the GESOs and PESOs and photo essays I've done over the years. I'm even planning to do some quick books by year; that is, best snaps of each year since I've been back in photography. With Lightroom it's pretty easy to go through large groups of photos, make collections, then pop over to the book module and do a basic layout. Granted I may be oversimplifying a bit, but if you don't over-think the project, you can get a project done pretty efficiently. So I say get them in books and prints and move on. I'm not sure I completely agree with Robert Jackson's definition of a snapshot, which he claims is often a mistake, but I do agree snaps of family and friends should be printed up for posterity. Printing should not be an activity exclusive to fine art printmaking. Print the silly, the playful, the fun--then share! Cheers, Christine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
I think I've posted this link before, but it's no less valid... http://www.shutterbug.com/content/point-view-prints-are-precious-or-praise-shoebox And...after you've made a print of family members, note on the back who they are. I have prints from early in the 20th century that I know are family members, but have no idea who they are or where they fit into the family. -p On 8/11/2013 12:30 PM, Christine Aguila wrote: On Aug 10, 2013, at 2:22 PM, George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: That is the viewpoint from a collector, of course. If we don't produce any artifacts now, there won't be anything to collect later. The basic concept has been brought up several times over the last many years. Not only do people not make prints, they don't get the photos off of their devices. I guessing most of us know someone that lost all of the photos when a phone or computer was lost. Apple, Google, Smugmug and others may help a little bit as photos taken on a phone can automatically be copied to the Internet, but when the person quits using the account (for whatever reason) all of those photos go away. If you don't take an active part in constantly backing up your photos, and moving them to whatever new and improved media emerges, they will be gone. As silly as it sounds, the fragile paper print may be the most archival media for most people simply because it can be put in a shoebox, stuffed under the bed and forgotten for a few decades. Agreed! This is an interesting topic both in the general and personal sense. Having passed the half century mark and not having kids, I've been thinking about all my stuff, and, of course, that includes photography. What do I leave behind? Is anybody really going to be interested in my stuff (probably not)? Darrel I have started cleaning house this summer, culling my personal library, giving away clothes and household items to charity. There's much more work ahead, but it's really starting to feel liberating. I don't think anyone in my family will be interested in the stewardship of hard drives with digital negatives (frankly, I don't find it much fun either :-)), but they do have interest in prints and as you'd expect, prints of family moments. Prints are mainly stored in boxes to be sure, but not all. And my family really enjoys looking at the photo books we can make through blurb. They enjoy looking at the PDML annual, and they really enjoyed looking at the Wilson book the UK PDMLers and I made for the Wilsons as a thank you gift after last year's trip to England. So this is the direction I'm headed. It's no longer a question of, how am I going to store this stuff digitally (though that issue doesn't go away obviously), but rather, let's get these photos printed up and in books for both future enjoyment and perhaps more reliable backup if you will. This also includes my own personal work--the GESOs and PESOs and photo essays I've done over the years. I'm even planning to do some quick books by year; that is, best snaps of each year since I've been back in photography. With Lightroom it's pretty easy to go through large groups of photos, make collections, then pop over to the book module and do a basic layout. Granted I may be oversimplifying a bit, but if you don't over-think the project, you can get a project done pretty efficiently. So I say get them in books and prints and move on. I'm not sure I completely agree with Robert Jackson's definition of a snapshot, which he claims is often a mistake, but I do agree snaps of family and friends should be printed up for posterity. Printing should not be an activity exclusive to fine art printmaking. Print the silly, the playful, the fun--then share! Cheers, Christine -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
http://petapixel.com/2013/08/09/photo-collector-robert-e-jackson-on-the-death-of-the-snapshot/ I realize that PDML is more about jokes, puns, etc. than serious discussion, but I thought the conversation in the above video contains some thought-provoking stuff. Speaking for myself, since I like to think I know a bit about photography, I only show what I think are decent images. I don't show (or even tend to TAKE as much as I should) the mundane snapshot, let alone put them on my Flickr photostream or make prints of them. I just haven't been THAT kind of photographer. I think I need to change my whole approach. I feel bad that my granddaughter, Hazel, isn't going to have a big dresser drawer of one off prints like I know resides at my parent's house. And I need to get my act together to better archive digitally ALL of the images that i produce, both the good and the bad. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
Well I'm with you on only showing what you think are decent images.. Somewhere I read years ago show only your best work but I don't adhere strictly to that in our forum. I do keep virtually (but not in the internet sense) all my slides in boxes because there are a lot of shots that inform location,sometimes I took shots of a sign specifying an animal species at zoos, milage to, etc.. and every BW negative and contact sheet I have are stored in 3 ring binders. Plus lots of snapshots form my youth - many taken by my mother. still take snaps to share memories with friends.. but yeah, you should record some family stuff - and print the ones _other_ people want... even if they aren't up to your standard of photography. that show looks interesting , actually. ann On 8/10/2013 10:13, Darren Addy wrote: http://petapixel.com/2013/08/09/photo-collector-robert-e-jackson-on-the-death-of-the-snapshot/ I realize that PDML is more about jokes, puns, etc. than serious discussion, but I thought the conversation in the above video contains some thought-provoking stuff. Speaking for myself, since I like to think I know a bit about photography, I only show what I think are decent images. I don't show (or even tend to TAKE as much as I should) the mundane snapshot, let alone put them on my Flickr photostream or make prints of them. I just haven't been THAT kind of photographer. I think I need to change my whole approach. I feel bad that my granddaughter, Hazel, isn't going to have a big dresser drawer of one off prints like I know resides at my parent's house. And I need to get my act together to better archive digitally ALL of the images that i produce, both the good and the bad. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
Ann, Like you, I still have boxes of prints and slides. Long ago I dumped about 1/3 of the slides for errors. No need to keep poorly focused or camera shake slides. I have most print and some albums I've assembled as well. On the digital side, I'm less ruthless - keeping all but the worst shots. Storage space is easy to manage. I have been toying with the idea of creating photo books as well. Something like the best 30 or 40 of 2008, or Kate's first 18 months. I too think the tangible picture you can hold is valuable. Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Well I'm with you on only showing what you think are decent images.. Somewhere I read years ago show only your best work but I don't adhere strictly to that in our forum. I do keep virtually (but not in the internet sense) all my slides in boxes because there are a lot of shots that inform location,sometimes I took shots of a sign specifying an animal species at zoos, milage to, etc.. and every BW negative and contact sheet I have are stored in 3 ring binders. Plus lots of snapshots form my youth - many taken by my mother. still take snaps to share memories with friends.. but yeah, you should record some family stuff - and print the ones _other_ people want... even if they aren't up to your standard of photography. that show looks interesting , actually. ann On 8/10/2013 10:13, Darren Addy wrote: http://petapixel.com/2013/08/09/photo-collector-robert-e-jackson-on-the-death-of-the-snapshot/ I realize that PDML is more about jokes, puns, etc. than serious discussion, but I thought the conversation in the above video contains some thought-provoking stuff. Speaking for myself, since I like to think I know a bit about photography, I only show what I think are decent images. I don't show (or even tend to TAKE as much as I should) the mundane snapshot, let alone put them on my Flickr photostream or make prints of them. I just haven't been THAT kind of photographer. I think I need to change my whole approach. I feel bad that my granddaughter, Hazel, isn't going to have a big dresser drawer of one off prints like I know resides at my parent's house. And I need to get my act together to better archive digitally ALL of the images that i produce, both the good and the bad. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
On 10/08/2013 10:29 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I too think the tangible picture you can hold is valuable. Regards, Bob S. The problem with digital photography is that people tend to not make prints from them. They share them on social media, they send them as email attachments, but the images themselves never exist outside of digital ephemera, and as such, are much more prone to getting lost. Prints should last the better part of a century and require no special equipment for viewing, digital files last until the next hard drive crash, or when they can no longer be translated into a screen image, and require special equipment for viewing. Very few people actually do any sort of back-ups at all on their computers, the vast majority of people are totally dependent on the one copy of the file they have tucked away in My Documents/My Pictures lasting forever. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
I don't think snapshots have anything to do with best work. They're memories we want (need?) to keep. The important images aren't even on the paper. On 8/10/2013 11:19 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Well I'm with you on only showing what you think are decent images.. Somewhere I read years ago show only your best work but I don't adhere strictly to that in our forum. I do keep virtually (but not in the internet sense) all my slides in boxes because there are a lot of shots that inform location,sometimes I took shots of a sign specifying an animal species at zoos, milage to, etc.. and every BW negative and contact sheet I have are stored in 3 ring binders. Plus lots of snapshots form my youth - many taken by my mother. still take snaps to share memories with friends.. but yeah, you should record some family stuff - and print the ones _other_ people want... even if they aren't up to your standard of photography. that show looks interesting , actually. ann On 8/10/2013 10:13, Darren Addy wrote: http://petapixel.com/2013/08/09/photo-collector-robert-e-jackson-on-the-death-of-the-snapshot/ I realize that PDML is more about jokes, puns, etc. than serious discussion, but I thought the conversation in the above video contains some thought-provoking stuff. Speaking for myself, since I like to think I know a bit about photography, I only show what I think are decent images. I don't show (or even tend to TAKE as much as I should) the mundane snapshot, let alone put them on my Flickr photostream or make prints of them. I just haven't been THAT kind of photographer. I think I need to change my whole approach. I feel bad that my granddaughter, Hazel, isn't going to have a big dresser drawer of one off prints like I know resides at my parent's house. And I need to get my act together to better archive digitally ALL of the images that i produce, both the good and the bad. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
on 2013-08-10 10:42 Bill wrote Very few people actually do any sort of back-ups at all on their computers, the vast majority of people are totally dependent on the one copy of the file they have tucked away in My Documents/My Pictures lasting forever. i think that is changing as the capacity evolves for the picture taking apparatus to automatically duplicate, and to some extent preserve, its output -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
That is the viewpoint from a collector, of course. If we don't produce any artifacts now, there won't be anything to collect later. The basic concept has been brought up several times over the last many years. Not only do people not make prints, they don't get the photos off of their devices. I guessing most of us know someone that lost all of the photos when a phone or computer was lost. Apple, Google, Smugmug and others may help a little bit as photos taken on a phone can automatically be copied to the Internet, but when the person quits using the account (for whatever reason) all of those photos go away. If you don't take an active part in constantly backing up your photos, and moving them to whatever new and improved media emerges, they will be gone. As silly as it sounds, the fragile paper print may be the most archival media for most people simply because it can be put in a shoebox, stuffed under the bed and forgotten for a few decades. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 1:59 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2013-08-10 10:42 Bill wrote Very few people actually do any sort of back-ups at all on their computers, the vast majority of people are totally dependent on the one copy of the file they have tucked away in My Documents/My Pictures lasting forever. i think that is changing as the capacity evolves for the picture taking apparatus to automatically duplicate, and to some extent preserve, its output -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
on 2013-08-10 13:22 George Sinos wrote Apple, Google, Smugmug and others may help a little bit as photos taken on a phone can automatically be copied to the Internet, but when the person quits using the account (for whatever reason) all of those photos go away. there are people giving thought to this problem, seeking a way for our accounts to outlive us i think the perfect archiving system is a radio signal broadcast to the heavens; right now someone is receiving the original broadcast of Merv Griffin's first show! if the beings nearby don't receive it, there are always farther stars; and eventually we may be able to outrun our own signals, capture them, and bring them back broadcast everything/never die! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
On 10 Aug 2013, at 19:59, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2013-08-10 10:42 Bill wrote Very few people actually do any sort of back-ups at all on their computers, the vast majority of people are totally dependent on the one copy of the file they have tucked away in My Documents/My Pictures lasting forever. i think that is changing as the capacity evolves for the picture taking apparatus to automatically duplicate, and to some extent preserve, its output As long as you remember to leave someone your login credentials in your will. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
On Sat, Aug 10, 2013, steve harley wrote: i think the perfect archiving system is a radio signal broadcast to the heavens; right now someone is receiving the original broadcast of Merv Griffin's first show! if the beings nearby don't receive it, there are always farther stars; and eventually we may be able to outrun our own signals, capture them, and bring them back Let me introduce you to a friend of mine, Areskwared. Areskwared sez that signals degrade too rapidly for your idea to work. For a more lengthy discussion of this topic, see David Brin's _Existence_. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
On Aug 10, 2013, at 07:13 , Darren Addy wrote: http://petapixel.com/2013/08/09/photo-collector-robert-e-jackson-on-the-death-of-the-snapshot/ I realize that PDML is more about jokes, puns, etc. than serious discussion, but I thought the conversation in the above video contains some thought-provoking stuff. Speaking for myself, since I like to think I know a bit about photography, I only show what I think are decent images. I don't show (or even tend to TAKE as much as I should) the mundane snapshot, let alone put them on my Flickr photostream or make prints of them. I just haven't been THAT kind of photographer. I think I need to change my whole approach. I feel bad that my granddaughter, Hazel, isn't going to have a big dresser drawer of one off prints like I know resides at my parent's house. And I need to get my act together to better archive digitally ALL of the images that i produce, both the good and the bad. It would behoove you to make digital copies of all of your parents prints, and steal the negatives as well. They may be snapshots, but they are a record of time as it pertains to your family and friends. Offer to do the same with your other relative's photos and important documents. If your relatives are anything like mine, they will ignore you. It cost me 60 days and $4000 to collect about 50% of my relatives images last year. The plus side was I got to visit with many old folks like me that I hadn't seen in 25-40 years, and meet with about 60 kids who I'd never seen before. That trip led to my finding and talking to a handful of 40-50 year old relatives I never knew existed. So get with it now. Later on, you will find that there is no one left to answer questions about your family's history. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
on 2013-08-10 14:06 Aahz Maruch wrote Let me introduce you to a friend of mine, Areskwared. Areskwared sez that signals degrade too rapidly for your idea to work. i plan to amplify the signal: i will make the sun supernova in a way that encodes my images -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
Yes, Joseph, you are so right. I began a genealogical adventure about 5 years ago had to do it the hard way since all knowledgeable relatives had passed away. Hundreds of old photos a birthday book proved to be invaluable windows into the past. I'm working on leaving a legacy for those still living. Alan C -Original Message- From: Joseph McAllister Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 10:39 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots On Aug 10, 2013, at 07:13 , Darren Addy wrote: http://petapixel.com/2013/08/09/photo-collector-robert-e-jackson-on-the-death-of-the-snapshot/ I realize that PDML is more about jokes, puns, etc. than serious discussion, but I thought the conversation in the above video contains some thought-provoking stuff. Speaking for myself, since I like to think I know a bit about photography, I only show what I think are decent images. I don't show (or even tend to TAKE as much as I should) the mundane snapshot, let alone put them on my Flickr photostream or make prints of them. I just haven't been THAT kind of photographer. I think I need to change my whole approach. I feel bad that my granddaughter, Hazel, isn't going to have a big dresser drawer of one off prints like I know resides at my parent's house. And I need to get my act together to better archive digitally ALL of the images that i produce, both the good and the bad. It would behoove you to make digital copies of all of your parents prints, and steal the negatives as well. They may be snapshots, but they are a record of time as it pertains to your family and friends. Offer to do the same with your other relative's photos and important documents. If your relatives are anything like mine, they will ignore you. It cost me 60 days and $4000 to collect about 50% of my relatives images last year. The plus side was I got to visit with many old folks like me that I hadn't seen in 25-40 years, and meet with about 60 kids who I'd never seen before. That trip led to my finding and talking to a handful of 40-50 year old relatives I never knew existed. So get with it now. Later on, you will find that there is no one left to answer questions about your family's history. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: A thought-provoking conversation on the death of snapshots
On 10/08/2013 12:44 PM, John wrote: I don't think snapshots have anything to do with best work. Cartier-Bresson, as brilliant a photographer as he was, was little more than a snapshooter. If I am not mistaken, his printing was done by a lab. just sayin. They're memories we want (need?) to keep. The important images aren't even on the paper. Good photographs evoke some sort of memory in us. None of the shit that is passed of as the rules, be it compositional or technical, matter a whit if the image doesn't tap into an emotional response of some sort. What matters is does the image grab some part of you and hold on to it. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
