Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Z10, SFX and SF7 have that 3rd Digital pin too AFAICT 2007/10/19, John Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From: Bob Blakely I'm curious. What can the flash know of rear curtain sync timing save that given it by the camera's shutter? If nothing, what's to set on the flash? What difference could it possibly make? This is just a guess, but I know the AF-500FTZ has a switch position for rear curtain sync. What I think is somewhere in Pentax's dedicated flash connection, there's a pin that gets a signal (V+ or ground??) when the shutter curtain opens and loses that signal when the rear curtain starts to close. Say something like this: Curtain Curtain |Opens |Closes _____V+ OR -----ground It'd be easy to build a trigger circuit to detect the state changes and switch the flash trigger to either the leading edge change or the trailing edge change. Thinking about it now, a standard hot shoe could just go to ground for the duration of the curtain being open, so you don't even need the dedicated pin to trigger rear curtain sync; just design your rear curtain trigger circuit so it will flash when the ground circuit opens again. For a lark, I tried the AF-500FTZ with a K-1000, and it doesn't do rear curtain sync even with the flash switch set in rear curtain position, so I think Pentax does use a dedicated pin. And, I'll bet it's the 4th pin in approximately the 2 o'clock position that permits rear curtain sync, since Pentax had TTL Auto-flash with the LX and Super Program and AF-280T, which I'm pretty sure uses the two additional pins at 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock. The AF-500FTZ manual says rear curtain sync only works with the PZ-1 [PZ-1P], which I expect was the only camera with that 4th dedicated pin at the time the manual was written, because AF-500FTZ rear curtain sync does also work with the *ist-D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Adam, with exception to the K10D, I'm almost sure that with Pentax rear curtain synchas always been set on the flash as well. 2007/10/15, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 2:47 PM, mike wilson wrote: For effective second curtain sync actuation, all that is required is that the camera send a trigger signal to the flash at most .004 (1/250) second before the second curtain is released for its closing run. That's the typical longest electronic flash duration of a professional studio flash. Nothing 'smart' is necessary in the flash at all. Absolutely true. It used to be done mechnically from the camera body with a second set of contacts interacting with the closing curtain. This, of course, required the extra contacts and a switch to use them. Digital flashes can obtain the information from the (robo)camera. This, of course, requires the programme in both units to be able to make sense of the photographer's desires. Sometimes, I feel this is where digital lets us down. I don't know what digital has to do with it. Since the flash trigger is 100% transistor controlled nowadays and under the control of the camera's shutter, itself timed electronically with a computer driving it, second curtain sync doesn't need any additional contacts in the flash mount or shutter, nor any other communication between the camera and flash unit. All the body has to do is know what shutter time is selected for an exposure and that first or second curtain sync is required. Then the body delivers the flash trigger signal at the appropriate time: either when the first curtain reaches fully open or prior to releasing the second curtain with the correct minimum lead time. The simplest, dumbest flash just goes pop when the trigger circuit is closed. This is *exactly* what the Sony R1 digital camera and Panasonic L1 digital SLR body do. They work with my Sunpak 383 and any other non- dedicated flash for second curtain sync beautifully. I'm mystified that Pentax didn't do the same and rely upon additional communications between flash and body to permit second curtain sync. Godfrey I think it's 'digital' communication in this case, as rear curtain sync is one of the features only provided in Digital TTL or P-TTL modes with Pentax. With Nikon the issue is straightforward, rear curtain sync is set on the flash, and this has endured from the late 80's(when most camera/flash settings were set on the flash, a legacy of the F4's old-fashioned interface). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
I'm curious. What can the flash know of rear curtain sync timing save that given it by the camera's shutter? If nothing, what's to set on the flash? What difference could it possibly make? Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) Adam, with exception to the K10D, I'm almost sure that with Pentax rear curtain synchas always been set on the flash as well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's a matter of where the control is located. If it's located on the body, it's possible to do rear-curtain sync with non-dedicated flashes. If the controls are on the flash, there must be flash/body communication to allow rear-curtain sync. -Adam Bob Blakely wrote: I'm curious. What can the flash know of rear curtain sync timing save that given it by the camera's shutter? If nothing, what's to set on the flash? What difference could it possibly make? Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) Adam, with exception to the K10D, I'm almost sure that with Pentax rear curtain synchas always been set on the flash as well. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
From: Bob Blakely I'm curious. What can the flash know of rear curtain sync timing save that given it by the camera's shutter? If nothing, what's to set on the flash? What difference could it possibly make? This is just a guess, but I know the AF-500FTZ has a switch position for rear curtain sync. What I think is somewhere in Pentax's dedicated flash connection, there's a pin that gets a signal (V+ or ground??) when the shutter curtain opens and loses that signal when the rear curtain starts to close. Say something like this: Curtain Curtain |Opens |Closes _____V+ OR -----ground It'd be easy to build a trigger circuit to detect the state changes and switch the flash trigger to either the leading edge change or the trailing edge change. Thinking about it now, a standard hot shoe could just go to ground for the duration of the curtain being open, so you don't even need the dedicated pin to trigger rear curtain sync; just design your rear curtain trigger circuit so it will flash when the ground circuit opens again. For a lark, I tried the AF-500FTZ with a K-1000, and it doesn't do rear curtain sync even with the flash switch set in rear curtain position, so I think Pentax does use a dedicated pin. And, I'll bet it's the 4th pin in approximately the 2 o'clock position that permits rear curtain sync, since Pentax had TTL Auto-flash with the LX and Super Program and AF-280T, which I'm pretty sure uses the two additional pins at 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock. The AF-500FTZ manual says rear curtain sync only works with the PZ-1 [PZ-1P], which I expect was the only camera with that 4th dedicated pin at the time the manual was written, because AF-500FTZ rear curtain sync does also work with the *ist-D. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
John Sessoms wrote: From: Bob Blakely I'm curious. What can the flash know of rear curtain sync timing save that given it by the camera's shutter? If nothing, what's to set on the flash? What difference could it possibly make? This is just a guess, but I know the AF-500FTZ has a switch position for rear curtain sync. What I think is somewhere in Pentax's dedicated flash connection, there's a pin that gets a signal (V+ or ground??) when the shutter curtain opens and loses that signal when the rear curtain starts to close. Say something like this: Curtain Curtain |Opens |Closes _____V+ OR -----ground It'd be easy to build a trigger circuit to detect the state changes and switch the flash trigger to either the leading edge change or the trailing edge change. Thinking about it now, a standard hot shoe could just go to ground for the duration of the curtain being open, so you don't even need the dedicated pin to trigger rear curtain sync; just design your rear curtain trigger circuit so it will flash when the ground circuit opens again. For a lark, I tried the AF-500FTZ with a K-1000, and it doesn't do rear curtain sync even with the flash switch set in rear curtain position, so I think Pentax does use a dedicated pin. And, I'll bet it's the 4th pin in approximately the 2 o'clock position that permits rear curtain sync, since Pentax had TTL Auto-flash with the LX and Super Program and AF-280T, which I'm pretty sure uses the two additional pins at 5 o'clock and 7 o'clock. The AF-500FTZ manual says rear curtain sync only works with the PZ-1 [PZ-1P], which I expect was the only camera with that 4th dedicated pin at the time the manual was written, because AF-500FTZ rear curtain sync does also work with the *ist-D. The extra pin is the digital signal pin, it allows full communications between the flash and body, more than just the analog quench indication and flash status indication that the older analog 3-pin(really 4) TTL system supports. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
For effective second curtain sync actuation, all that is required is that the camera send a trigger signal to the flash at most .004 (1/250) second before the second curtain is released for its closing run. That's the typical longest electronic flash duration of a professional studio flash. Nothing 'smart' is necessary in the flash at all. Godfrey On Oct 13, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I'm not sure you're right... For effective second curtain synch, the flash needs to fire =immediately= before the shutter closes. A non-dedicated flash gets a signal at some point when the flash is fully open, but does not know exactly when the flash opened, or when it will close. For second-curtain synch, the flash either needs to know when the flash opened and the shutter speed, or needs to get a signal a millisecond or so before the curtain starts to close. Those are easily encoded so that only a dedicated flash knows, it would seem. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: For effective second curtain sync actuation, all that is required is that the camera send a trigger signal to the flash at most .004 (1/250) second before the second curtain is released for its closing run. That's the typical longest electronic flash duration of a professional studio flash. Nothing 'smart' is necessary in the flash at all. Godfrey Absolutely true. It used to be done mechnically from the camera body with a second set of contacts interacting with the closing curtain. This, of course, required the extra contacts and a switch to use them. Digital flashes can obtain the information from the (robo)camera. This, of course, requires the programme in both units to be able to make sense of the photographer's desires. Sometimes, I feel this is where digital lets us down. On Oct 13, 2007, at 7:25 PM, Rick Womer wrote: I'm not sure you're right... For effective second curtain synch, the flash needs to fire =immediately= before the shutter closes. A non-dedicated flash gets a signal at some point when the flash is fully open, but does not know exactly when the flash opened, or when it will close. For second-curtain synch, the flash either needs to know when the flash opened and the shutter speed, or needs to get a signal a millisecond or so before the curtain starts to close. Those are easily encoded so that only a dedicated flash knows, it would seem. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
On Oct 14, 2007, at 2:47 PM, mike wilson wrote: For effective second curtain sync actuation, all that is required is that the camera send a trigger signal to the flash at most .004 (1/250) second before the second curtain is released for its closing run. That's the typical longest electronic flash duration of a professional studio flash. Nothing 'smart' is necessary in the flash at all. Absolutely true. It used to be done mechnically from the camera body with a second set of contacts interacting with the closing curtain. This, of course, required the extra contacts and a switch to use them. Digital flashes can obtain the information from the (robo)camera. This, of course, requires the programme in both units to be able to make sense of the photographer's desires. Sometimes, I feel this is where digital lets us down. I don't know what digital has to do with it. Since the flash trigger is 100% transistor controlled nowadays and under the control of the camera's shutter, itself timed electronically with a computer driving it, second curtain sync doesn't need any additional contacts in the flash mount or shutter, nor any other communication between the camera and flash unit. All the body has to do is know what shutter time is selected for an exposure and that first or second curtain sync is required. Then the body delivers the flash trigger signal at the appropriate time: either when the first curtain reaches fully open or prior to releasing the second curtain with the correct minimum lead time. The simplest, dumbest flash just goes pop when the trigger circuit is closed. This is *exactly* what the Sony R1 digital camera and Panasonic L1 digital SLR body do. They work with my Sunpak 383 and any other non- dedicated flash for second curtain sync beautifully. I'm mystified that Pentax didn't do the same and rely upon additional communications between flash and body to permit second curtain sync. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 14, 2007, at 2:47 PM, mike wilson wrote: For effective second curtain sync actuation, all that is required is that the camera send a trigger signal to the flash at most .004 (1/250) second before the second curtain is released for its closing run. That's the typical longest electronic flash duration of a professional studio flash. Nothing 'smart' is necessary in the flash at all. Absolutely true. It used to be done mechnically from the camera body with a second set of contacts interacting with the closing curtain. This, of course, required the extra contacts and a switch to use them. Digital flashes can obtain the information from the (robo)camera. This, of course, requires the programme in both units to be able to make sense of the photographer's desires. Sometimes, I feel this is where digital lets us down. I don't know what digital has to do with it. Since the flash trigger is 100% transistor controlled nowadays and under the control of the camera's shutter, itself timed electronically with a computer driving it, second curtain sync doesn't need any additional contacts in the flash mount or shutter, nor any other communication between the camera and flash unit. All the body has to do is know what shutter time is selected for an exposure and that first or second curtain sync is required. Then the body delivers the flash trigger signal at the appropriate time: either when the first curtain reaches fully open or prior to releasing the second curtain with the correct minimum lead time. The simplest, dumbest flash just goes pop when the trigger circuit is closed. This is *exactly* what the Sony R1 digital camera and Panasonic L1 digital SLR body do. They work with my Sunpak 383 and any other non- dedicated flash for second curtain sync beautifully. I'm mystified that Pentax didn't do the same and rely upon additional communications between flash and body to permit second curtain sync. Godfrey I think it's 'digital' communication in this case, as rear curtain sync is one of the features only provided in Digital TTL or P-TTL modes with Pentax. With Nikon the issue is straightforward, rear curtain sync is set on the flash, and this has endured from the late 80's(when most camera/flash settings were set on the flash, a legacy of the F4's old-fashioned interface). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But digital flash control offers so many other things, such as second curtain sync and, er, ... From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/12 Fri PM 03:40:51 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) Maybe they think they've solved the problem with TTL flash and the next High spec. body will include it. I know I've observed problems with P-TTL, usually subjects flinching or closing their eyes. Not many but a few. mike wilson wrote: Even more bizzare. Wonder why Pentax stepped back from that route? Why maintain compatibility with an obsolete flash system? From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 02:57:16 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) Err? Both the 540 and 360 TTL on all Pentax TTL bodies. It was the previous models (like the 500) that doesn't support Analog TTL. -Adam mike wilson wrote: Interesting. The cheapest and least farkly modern flash Pentax makes has the best TTL compatibility. Just the logic we have come to expect. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 01:20:12 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_specs/product-- AF-200FG/reqID--9997134/subsection--flash G On Oct 11, 2007, at 3:16 AM, mike wilson wrote: Where do you see that it works with other than P-TTL? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- Remember, it?s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
I've never understood why second curtain sync should require a dedicated flash unit. HSS I can understand ... it's a very careful dance of strobing the flash to precisely match the shutter ... but second curtain sync should simply trigger the flash some milliseconds prior to the second curtain closing to accommodate a reasonably long electronic flash duration. That's what the Sony R1 and Panasonic L1 do ... any flash unit can do second curtain sync with them, dedicated or not. Godfrey On Oct 13, 2007, at 11:17 AM, mike wilson wrote: But digital flash control offers so many other things, such as second curtain sync and, er, ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I've never understood why second curtain sync should require a dedicated flash unit. HSS I can understand ... it's a very careful dance of strobing the flash to precisely match the shutter ... but second curtain sync should simply trigger the flash some milliseconds prior to the second curtain closing to accommodate a reasonably long electronic flash duration. That's what the Sony R1 and Panasonic L1 do ... any flash unit can do second curtain sync with them, dedicated or not. S. If you let everyone know they'll stop paying for overpriced flash guns. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
I'm not sure you're right... For effective second curtain synch, the flash needs to fire =immediately= before the shutter closes. A non-dedicated flash gets a signal at some point when the flash is fully open, but does not know exactly when the flash opened, or when it will close. For second-curtain synch, the flash either needs to know when the flash opened and the shutter speed, or needs to get a signal a millisecond or so before the curtain starts to close. Those are easily encoded so that only a dedicated flash knows, it would seem. Rick --- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never understood why second curtain sync should require a dedicated flash unit. HSS I can understand ... it's a very careful dance of strobing the flash to precisely match the shutter ... but second curtain sync should simply trigger the flash some milliseconds prior to the second curtain closing to accommodate a reasonably long electronic flash duration. That's what the Sony R1 and Panasonic L1 do ... any flash unit can do second curtain sync with them, dedicated or not. Godfrey On Oct 13, 2007, at 11:17 AM, mike wilson wrote: But digital flash control offers so many other things, such as second curtain sync and, er, ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Even more bizzare. Wonder why Pentax stepped back from that route? Why maintain compatibility with an obsolete flash system? From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 02:57:16 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) Err? Both the 540 and 360 TTL on all Pentax TTL bodies. It was the previous models (like the 500) that doesn't support Analog TTL. -Adam mike wilson wrote: Interesting. The cheapest and least farkly modern flash Pentax makes has the best TTL compatibility. Just the logic we have come to expect. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 01:20:12 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_specs/product-- AF-200FG/reqID--9997134/subsection--flash G On Oct 11, 2007, at 3:16 AM, mike wilson wrote: Where do you see that it works with other than P-TTL? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FARKLE From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 06:26:52 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) farkly? Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Re: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) Interesting. The cheapest and least farkly modern flash Pentax makes has the best TTL compatibility. Just the logic we have come to expect. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Perhaps sales of the restricted-compatibility units were underwhelming. I certainly would not buy a unit with less compatibility unless it added other necessary features. -Adam mike wilson wrote: Even more bizzare. Wonder why Pentax stepped back from that route? Why maintain compatibility with an obsolete flash system? From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 02:57:16 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) Err? Both the 540 and 360 TTL on all Pentax TTL bodies. It was the previous models (like the 500) that doesn't support Analog TTL. -Adam mike wilson wrote: Interesting. The cheapest and least farkly modern flash Pentax makes has the best TTL compatibility. Just the logic we have come to expect. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 01:20:12 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_specs/product-- AF-200FG/reqID--9997134/subsection--flash G On Oct 11, 2007, at 3:16 AM, mike wilson wrote: Where do you see that it works with other than P-TTL? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
On 10/12/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even more bizzare. Wonder why Pentax stepped back from that route? Why maintain compatibility with an obsolete flash system? To work with the non existent K1D.??:-) Dave PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Kewl. Gotta start using the word. I love FARKLEs! Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FARKLE From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] farkly? - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting. The cheapest and least farkly modern flash Pentax makes has the best TTL compatibility. Just the logic we have come to expect. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Maybe they think they've solved the problem with TTL flash and the next High spec. body will include it. I know I've observed problems with P-TTL, usually subjects flinching or closing their eyes. Not many but a few. mike wilson wrote: Even more bizzare. Wonder why Pentax stepped back from that route? Why maintain compatibility with an obsolete flash system? From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 02:57:16 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) Err? Both the 540 and 360 TTL on all Pentax TTL bodies. It was the previous models (like the 500) that doesn't support Analog TTL. -Adam mike wilson wrote: Interesting. The cheapest and least farkly modern flash Pentax makes has the best TTL compatibility. Just the logic we have come to expect. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 01:20:12 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_specs/product-- AF-200FG/reqID--9997134/subsection--flash G On Oct 11, 2007, at 3:16 AM, mike wilson wrote: Where do you see that it works with other than P-TTL? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- Remember, it’s pillage then burn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Remember that the 540 and 360 both predate the K10D, the first high-end body to lack plain digital TTL support. -Adam P. J. Alling wrote: Maybe they think they've solved the problem with TTL flash and the next High spec. body will include it. I know I've observed problems with P-TTL, usually subjects flinching or closing their eyes. Not many but a few. mike wilson wrote: Even more bizzare. Wonder why Pentax stepped back from that route? Why maintain compatibility with an obsolete flash system? From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 02:57:16 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) Err? Both the 540 and 360 TTL on all Pentax TTL bodies. It was the previous models (like the 500) that doesn't support Analog TTL. -Adam mike wilson wrote: Interesting. The cheapest and least farkly modern flash Pentax makes has the best TTL compatibility. Just the logic we have come to expect. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 01:20:12 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_specs/product-- AF-200FG/reqID--9997134/subsection--flash G On Oct 11, 2007, at 3:16 AM, mike wilson wrote: Where do you see that it works with other than P-TTL? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Where do you see that it works with other than P-TTL? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu AM 01:33:50 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html Godfrey On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:09 PM, cbwaters wrote: Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
I picked up a used 360 recently. I knew before that it didi not have the swivel feature, but for the little i use a flash, felt this a better value over the more expensive 540. In the few times(3) i have used it for fill flash, it has performed very well.One or two test shots for + or - comp and a way i went. Dave On 10/10/07, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_specs/product-- AF-200FG/reqID--9997134/subsection--flash G On Oct 11, 2007, at 3:16 AM, mike wilson wrote: Where do you see that it works with other than P-TTL? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: ... tilt and swivel vs tilt only ... If you shoot a lot of portrait oriented compositions with flash, a swivel is essential for bounce flash. I find that over 70% of my photos are portrait oriented. Godfrey I've got a different need, as I use my flashes in Auto on my 645 Super, I need swivel to do bounce-flash in the landscape orientation due to the side-mounted hotshoe (My Super Ricohflex is the same, but also needs PC Sync on the flash, a feature the Pentax flashes lack as far as I'm aware). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
I have the 360 and it works fine, but if I were buying today I would spend the extra money and get the 540. I was amused to note that Pentax still sells a little $30 flash. A cheap backup for the paranoid ;-) Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
... tilt and swivel vs tilt only ... If you shoot a lot of portrait oriented compositions with flash, a swivel is essential for bounce flash. I find that over 70% of my photos are portrait oriented. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Interesting. The cheapest and least farkly modern flash Pentax makes has the best TTL compatibility. Just the logic we have come to expect. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 01:20:12 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_specs/product-- AF-200FG/reqID--9997134/subsection--flash G On Oct 11, 2007, at 3:16 AM, mike wilson wrote: Where do you see that it works with other than P-TTL? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
On 10/11/07, Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the 360 and it works fine, but if I were buying today I would spend the extra money and get the 540. I was amused to note that Pentax still sells a little $30 flash. A cheap backup for the paranoid ;-) Robots use flashes to you know.;-) Dave Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
Err? Both the 540 and 360 TTL on all Pentax TTL bodies. It was the previous models (like the 500) that doesn't support Analog TTL. -Adam mike wilson wrote: Interesting. The cheapest and least farkly modern flash Pentax makes has the best TTL compatibility. Just the logic we have come to expect. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/10/11 Thu PM 01:20:12 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) http://www.pentaximaging.com/products/product_specs/product-- AF-200FG/reqID--9997134/subsection--flash G On Oct 11, 2007, at 3:16 AM, mike wilson wrote: Where do you see that it works with other than P-TTL? From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
On Oct 11, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Steve Desjardins wrote: ... I was amused to note that Pentax still sells a little $30 flash. A cheap backup for the paranoid ;-) Only works fully dedicated in TTL flash mode with camera bodies so equipped, though; not P-TTL. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
It HAS tilt, but no swivel. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: Af360 worth it? I didn't realize that the 360 didn't have tilt and swivel. It's a non- starter. Paul On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:28 PM, David Savage wrote: I agree with Godfrey. I couldn't handle a flash the didn't have swivel tilt (which is why I got the 540) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
I have the 360. Works fie for me. I use it on a frame that allows me to swivel it if I need to. I only use flash for fill. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?)
farkly? Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Re: Re: Af360 worth it? (TTL?) Interesting. The cheapest and least farkly modern flash Pentax makes has the best TTL compatibility. Just the logic we have come to expect. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Af360 worth it?
Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html Godfrey On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:09 PM, cbwaters wrote: Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
I have two 360's. I don't need the features of the 540, the 360 works fine for my needs. - MCC --- cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Mark Cassino Photography Kalamamazoo, MI www.markcassino.com Photo Books: www.lulu.com/cassino -- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
I agree with Godfrey. I couldn't handle a flash the didn't have swivel tilt (which is why I got the 540) Cheers, Dave At 09:22 AM 11/10/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The 540 has more power, a tilt and swivel head, and probably a couple more features. The 360 is somewhat more compact and lighter weight. I wouldn't buy a flash unit without a tilt and swivel head unless it was very compact. The 360 is not: the 540 is worth the extra money. G On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:09 PM, cbwaters wrote: Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
The 540 has more power, a tilt and swivel head, and probably a couple more features. The 360 is somewhat more compact and lighter weight. I wouldn't buy a flash unit without a tilt and swivel head unless it was very compact. The 360 is not: the 540 is worth the extra money. G On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:09 PM, cbwaters wrote: Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
I used the 360 to shoot at my middle brother's wedding (I was able to borrow my Pentax rep's 360 for the weekend, as I couldn't afford my own). It was a superb performer, and not underpowered at all for what I was doing. Many people have pointed out that it doesn't have a swivel head, but that feature was not really that big a deal to the majority of users I encountered at my old camera shop job. Vertical bounce is good enough for most people, if they ever use it. The reason I bought the the 540 was because I wanted to be able to use the flash in studio settings. The 540 has way more features than I'll ever need, though. I just wanted it for the extra power and a couple other options. The 360 is a very good value. I'd highly recommend it, unless you think you'll really need the extra features. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto - Original Message - From: cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pdml@pdml.net pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Af360 worth it? Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Af360 worth it?
Buy the 540. The extra range is a huge advantage. Plus, you can use an external battery pack. An even bigger advantage. Paul On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:09 PM, cbwaters wrote: Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... CW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I didn't realize that the 360 didn't have tilt and swivel. It's a non- starter. Paul On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:28 PM, David Savage wrote: I agree with Godfrey. I couldn't handle a flash the didn't have swivel tilt (which is why I got the 540) Cheers, Dave At 09:22 AM 11/10/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The 540 has more power, a tilt and swivel head, and probably a couple more features. The 360 is somewhat more compact and lighter weight. I wouldn't buy a flash unit without a tilt and swivel head unless it was very compact. The 360 is not: the 540 is worth the extra money. G On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:09 PM, cbwaters wrote: Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I won a AF-200FG off the Pentaxian site. It works quite well with the K10D in PTTL mode but the lack of wireless really limits it use. The manual control has only a couple of power settings so that is of limited use too. However it is better than the on board flash. On 10/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html Godfrey On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:09 PM, cbwaters wrote: Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good to hear of another Pentaxian winner! It would be useful with the Promaster Pentax-dedicated flash cable to get it off the camera, I bet. Godfrey On Oct 10, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote: I won a AF-200FG off the Pentaxian site. It works quite well with the K10D in PTTL mode but the lack of wireless really limits it use. The manual control has only a couple of power settings so that is of limited use too. However it is better than the on board flash. On 10/10/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of flash units, looks like the Pentax AF-200FG compact flash unit is now available. It's a little pricey for no HSS, dedicated wireless control or second curtain sync, but otherwise looks like a decent compact unit. The spec sheet suggests that it's compatible with all P-TTL as well as TTL cameras, and has auto and manual control too. Might be that nice stuff it in the bag in case I need some beach fill kinda flash. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/517783-REG/ Pentax_30465_AF_200FG_P_TTL_Shoe_Mount.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It has tilt, but no swivel. On 10/10/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't realize that the 360 didn't have tilt and swivel. It's a non- starter. Paul On Oct 10, 2007, at 9:28 PM, David Savage wrote: I agree with Godfrey. I couldn't handle a flash the didn't have swivel tilt (which is why I got the 540) Cheers, Dave At 09:22 AM 11/10/2007, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The 540 has more power, a tilt and swivel head, and probably a couple more features. The 360 is somewhat more compact and lighter weight. I wouldn't buy a flash unit without a tilt and swivel head unless it was very compact. The 360 is not: the 540 is worth the extra money. G On Oct 10, 2007, at 6:09 PM, cbwaters wrote: Is the 360 a decent value? Does it make more sense value wise to buy the 540? It's like a hundred more dollars... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
