Re: Bulk Film Loading
Thanks, Jen - so far I've only only loaded up on roll of bulk film (Kentemre 400) plus two test rolls of some expired TMAX 100 that was being sold on ebay. INthe case of the Tmax, I loaded the bulk roll, spooled out the test rolls, and then unloaded the bulk roll. The film tested out fine. I've decided to just buy a bulk roll (maybe two) a month for a while till I have ample supply in the freezer. One bulk roll takes up a lot less space than the corresponding number f 35mm rolls. I usually give a bulk roll a full 24 hours to warm up out of the freezer - I say usually, but I have only done ittwice... Mark On 10/6/2013 1:16 AM, Jens wrote: Hi Mark I have been using bulk film for more than 30 years. I've never had any problems just filling the canisters I need, when I need them. It is however adviceable to keep the bukl roll rather cool, in order to keep the film fresh for a longer period of time. Don't pull it in and out of the cool storage to fast. Condenced humidity may damage the film, if cooled down to fast (as warm air carries more water than cold air, which you probaly allready know :-) This goes for Electronics (cameras) as well --- Regards Jens -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bulk Film Loading
I want to minimize the wasted film in the header and (int he case of bulk loading) the tail - since that is a constant the more film in the canister means a greater ratio fo used film to wasted film... BUT - I have had a couple of longer rolls and spooling them onto standard plastice spools can be a problem is they get too long. SO, I am sticking with 36 exposure per roll for now. It still takes me a long time to shot out that much film... Mark On 10/6/2013 1:21 AM, Jens wrote: It may be annoying not knowing how many frames are in the canister. I seem to choose either 20 or 36, so I', never in doubt... You can however fill in 40 frames easily, if you want to. But then Again There's perhaps a problem of storing the developed frames. Perhaps you might want to fill each paper sheet with negatives from the same roll. IIRC a sheet will contain 42 frames. This might be a nice number of frames for one roll:-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The only unmentioned downside I can think of to leaving a bulk roll in the loader and loading rolls as needed, is that you _may_ increase the chances of picking up a piece of grit in a seal and scoring the rest of the roll. On 06/10/2013, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Thanks, Jen - so far I've only only loaded up on roll of bulk film (Kentemre 400) plus two test rolls of some expired TMAX 100 that was being sold on ebay. INthe case of the Tmax, I loaded the bulk roll, spooled out the test rolls, and then unloaded the bulk roll. The film tested out fine. I've decided to just buy a bulk roll (maybe two) a month for a while till I have ample supply in the freezer. One bulk roll takes up a lot less space than the corresponding number f 35mm rolls. I usually give a bulk roll a full 24 hours to warm up out of the freezer - I say usually, but I have only done ittwice... Mark On 10/6/2013 1:16 AM, Jens wrote: Hi Mark I have been using bulk film for more than 30 years. I've never had any problems just filling the canisters I need, when I need them. It is however adviceable to keep the bukl roll rather cool, in order to keep the film fresh for a longer period of time. Don't pull it in and out of the cool storage to fast. Condenced humidity may damage the film, if cooled down to fast (as warm air carries more water than cold air, which you probaly allready know :-) This goes for Electronics (cameras) as well --- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Than ks - I've done this a couple of times but loaded up the first roll in a couple of sessions, mostly to see how many canisters a 100 foot roll will fill. Since then I've loaded the bulk roll, filled up a few canisters, and then unloaded the bulk roll without problem. DOne that mostly to test film and decided if I want to buy more. Even with a revived interest in film, I am not using that much of it one bulk roll goes a long way... Mark On 10/6/2013 2:58 AM, mike wilson wrote: The only unmentioned downside I can think of to leaving a bulk roll in the loader and loading rolls as needed, is that you _may_ increase the chances of picking up a piece of grit in a seal and scoring the rest of the roll. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I used to use bulk film exclusively. At that time, I was shooting a few dozen rolls of film a month. The cost savings vs inconvenience of using it is no longer a good trade off for my needs, it's better to buy 20 rolls of factory loaded film and store it in the freezer or refrigerator. That's usually two to three years' supply now. Godfrey On Oct 6, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: ... Even with a revived interest in film, I am not using that much of it one bulk roll goes a long way... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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So far this year I've shot about 80 rolls of 35mm and maybe a couple dozen 120 rolls, so that's a volume where bulk still makes sense. the bulk rolls do take up a lot less room in the freezer and provide flexibility for short rolls. I just don't like using one brand of anything for too long, so bring through 20 rolls or so from a bulk roll takes a while - I'd rather have 4 rolls each from 5 different brands and speeds. Mark On 10/6/2013 11:13 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I used to use bulk film exclusively. At that time, I was shooting a few dozen rolls of film a month. The cost savings vs inconvenience of using it is no longer a good trade off for my needs, it's better to buy 20 rolls of factory loaded film and store it in the freezer or refrigerator. That's usually two to three years' supply now. Godfrey On Oct 6, 2013, at 8:05 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: ... Even with a revived interest in film, I am not using that much of it one bulk roll goes a long way... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bulk Film Loading
Ah. Very different habits. I tend to standardize on one or two emulsions, and I shoot a very limited amount of film. Although ... I find myself wanting more and more Polaroid film... ! Godfrey On Oct 6, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: So far this year I've shot about 80 rolls of 35mm and maybe a couple dozen 120 rolls, so that's a volume where bulk still makes sense. the bulk rolls do take up a lot less room in the freezer and provide flexibility for short rolls. I just don't like using one brand of anything for too long, so bring through 20 rolls or so from a bulk roll takes a while - I'd rather have 4 rolls each from 5 different brands and speeds. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bulk Film Loading
Hi Mark I have been using bulk film for more than 30 years. I've never had any problems just filling the canisters I need, when I need them. It is however adviceable to keep the bukl roll rather cool, in order to keep the film fresh for a longer period of time. Don't pull it in and out of the cool storage to fast. Condenced humidity may damage the film, if cooled down to fast (as warm air carries more water than cold air, which you probaly allready know :-) This goes for Electronics (cameras) as well --- Regards Jens -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Jul 20, 2013 01:32 Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It may be annoying not knowing how many frames are in the canister. I seem to choose either 20 or 36, so I', never in doubt... You can however fill in 40 frames easily, if you want to. But then Again There's perhaps a problem of storing the developed frames. Perhaps you might want to fill each paper sheet with negatives from the same roll. IIRC a sheet will contain 42 frames. This might be a nice number of frames for one roll:-) -- Treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. On Jul 20, 2013 03:33 Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Thanks for that advice - I was starting to get tempted to see if I could load up a canister with more than 36 exposures. But then - who needs to take more than 36 shots at any one time? :-) Mark On 7/19/2013 7:45 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Resist any temptation to load more than 36 exposures. It will scratch the film unless you are using an ultra thin film such as HW Control Pan film. I had better luck with metal canisters with a snap on end than the plastic canisters with a screw on end. Jeffery On Jul 19, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Bulk Film Loading - Success!
Thanks for everyone who offered input on bulk film loading. My loader, 25 empty cannisters and a roll of Kentmere 400 arrived last week. I was out of town for work Sun - Thursday but tried my hand at loading yesterday. The only mistake I made is that I did not clean the felt light trap on the LLoyds loader before putting the roll in. I never even thought of it, as it was brand new and out of sealed plastic bag and box - but there was bit of grit on the felt and the first foot or two of film were scratched quite a bit, after that it seemed to work itself out. Otherwise, not problems and I loaded up 4 rolls and shot out one just to test. My scanning computer is in for repairs so I set up a temporary system with a laptop and Canonscan FS 4000 - running blazingly fast through it's USB 1.1 interface (no SCSI port on the laptop.) It is slow but functional and the first scans are looking good. Now to start loading up the freezer with 100' bulk rolls... Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interesting - wouldn't the minilab lose the last frame by cutting off the film? In the rolls I develop by hand I get pretty close to the end of the spoolm but maybe the cannister is smaller than I think. I once brought a roll of E-6 to a Walgreens and was upbrided by the machine operator who told me it would ruin his chemistry... brought it to the pro lab instead. Mark On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Be careful not to spoil the light-tightness of the end caps you're good to go. I've got several reusable cartridges that turned out to be old commercial cartridges with a plastic label applied to hide the original artwork. Actually, when I was running the mini-lab I kept several Chinese commercial C-41 cartridges that had plastic labels over the original Fuji film artwork (not just re-badged Fuji film because the underlying cartridges were originally Fujichrome E-6). So they can not only be reused for hand reloading, they were sometimes reused for commercial reloading. Also, the way we processed film at the mini-lab left a VERY short leader sticking out of the cartridge. If you're careful *NOT* to rewind that leader into the cartridge, you don't need to pop the ends off the cartridge. Just tape the end of your bulk film to the leader use it to pull the film into the cartridge. Once you've got a couple of turns on friction will help to keep it from slipping off if the tape doesn't hold. But, if you rewind it lose that leader inside the cartridge, it's not long enough to retrieve with a leader extractor. When I ran the mini-lab we had a big box to throw the old cartridges into. When it filled up it got taped up shipped back to Kodak for recycling. I bet, if you can still find a mini-lab where you are, you could ask and they'd let you take something like a gallon zip lock bag full of used cartridges away with you. Might even let you pick through the box to find the ones the stub leader hasn't been retracted yet. Probably won't even have to ask Pretty Please! One thing about mini-labs. You can take the occasional E-6 in and have it cross processed without hurting their chemistry and you get some really different negatives. But, NEVER, EVER take traditional BW films to a mini-lab. The average mini-lab operator drone won't know what it is they won't know any better than to send it through the C-41 processor. It can mess up their chemistry a little bit (they'll get over it if they even notice), and it will definitely EFF UP your film. On 7/20/2013 5:57 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Bulk Film Loading
I wonder if there's any hope of Plus-X or the like ever making a comeback? I seem to remember that when Kodak was shutting down their BW film line there was a news item to the effect that some company in China had bought all of the production machinery. Which just spawned another thought - someone appears to be still manufacturing Kodak T-Max, but who is it? On 7/21/2013 9:05 PM, Bong Manayon wrote: Hi Mark, Been doing that a lot lately too; I have something like 10 canisters only so I don't load everything up and the rest sits inside the loader on my bookshelf. I have an extra 100' in the freezer though. Fuji just gave a press release that Neopan 400 is being phased out, but here is a not so well known alternative film: http://www.adorama.com/KE400100.html Its brought to you by the same guys who gave us Ilford. How why its cheaper is beyond me, but its quality almost the same as Ilford HP5+ (a bit grainier; I have yet to compare the Kentmere 100 with FP4). It takes longer to process it with the same chemistry; so far we have tried it with Ilford's ID-11 and homebrewed (pa)Rodinal. Bong On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's just a short stub - 1/4 to 3/8 inch sticking out of the cartridge. Taking as an example my K1000, the distance between where the film comes out of the cartridge the nearest edge of the shutter window is about 1/2 inch. I think that's about right. I was going to look, but I can't right now because I have film in the camera. Plus whatever slack there is from where you're winding the next frame and only get half a stroke know to rewind because if you force it you're either going to break the film off from the cartridge or you're going to get overlap on your last two frames. I don't know of any camera that would put an image on that last inch or so of the film. I'll bet not exposing that area is even part of the specification Kodak gave the camera manufacturers many years ago. ... or whoever invented the 35mm film cartridge. On 7/22/2013 9:16 AM, pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Interesting - wouldn't the minilab lose the last frame by cutting off the film? In the rolls I develop by hand I get pretty close to the end of the spoolm but maybe the cannister is smaller than I think. I once brought a roll of E-6 to a Walgreens and was upbrided by the machine operator who told me it would ruin his chemistry... brought it to the pro lab instead. Mark On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Be careful not to spoil the light-tightness of the end caps you're good to go. I've got several reusable cartridges that turned out to be old commercial cartridges with a plastic label applied to hide the original artwork. Actually, when I was running the mini-lab I kept several Chinese commercial C-41 cartridges that had plastic labels over the original Fuji film artwork (not just re-badged Fuji film because the underlying cartridges were originally Fujichrome E-6). So they can not only be reused for hand reloading, they were sometimes reused for commercial reloading. Also, the way we processed film at the mini-lab left a VERY short leader sticking out of the cartridge. If you're careful *NOT* to rewind that leader into the cartridge, you don't need to pop the ends off the cartridge. Just tape the end of your bulk film to the leader use it to pull the film into the cartridge. Once you've got a couple of turns on friction will help to keep it from slipping off if the tape doesn't hold. But, if you rewind it lose that leader inside the cartridge, it's not long enough to retrieve with a leader extractor. When I ran the mini-lab we had a big box to throw the old cartridges into. When it filled up it got taped up shipped back to Kodak for recycling. I bet, if you can still find a mini-lab where you are, you could ask and they'd let you take something like a gallon zip lock bag full of used cartridges away with you. Might even let you pick through the box to find the ones the stub leader hasn't been retracted yet. Probably won't even have to ask Pretty Please! One thing about mini-labs. You can take the occasional E-6 in and have it cross processed without hurting their chemistry and you get some really different negatives. But, NEVER, EVER take traditional BW films to a mini-lab. The average mini-lab operator drone won't know what it is they won't know any better than to send it through the C-41 processor. It can mess up their chemistry a little bit (they'll get over it if they even notice), and it will definitely EFF UP your film. On 7/20/2013 5:57 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm pretty sure kodak still has a few film lines running still. TX400 is one. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:06 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: I wonder if there's any hope of Plus-X or the like ever making a comeback? I seem to remember that when Kodak was shutting down their BW film line there was a news item to the effect that some company in China had bought all of the production machinery. Which just spawned another thought - someone appears to be still manufacturing Kodak T-Max, but who is it? On 7/21/2013 9:05 PM, Bong Manayon wrote: Hi Mark, Been doing that a lot lately too; I have something like 10 canisters only so I don't load everything up and the rest sits inside the loader on my bookshelf. I have an extra 100' in the freezer though. Fuji just gave a press release that Neopan 400 is being phased out, but here is a not so well known alternative film: http://www.adorama.com/KE400100.html Its brought to you by the same guys who gave us Ilford. How why its cheaper is beyond me, but its quality almost the same as Ilford HP5+ (a bit grainier; I have yet to compare the Kentmere 100 with FP4). It takes longer to process it with the same chemistry; so far we have tried it with Ilford's ID-11 and homebrewed (pa)Rodinal. Bong On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think that Kodak outsourced production to a firm in China... On 7/22/2013 11:06 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I wonder if there's any hope of Plus-X or the like ever making a comeback? I seem to remember that when Kodak was shutting down their BW film line there was a news item to the effect that some company in China had bought all of the production machinery. Which just spawned another thought - someone appears to be still manufacturing Kodak T-Max, but who is it? On 7/21/2013 9:05 PM, Bong Manayon wrote: Hi Mark, Been doing that a lot lately too; I have something like 10 canisters only so I don't load everything up and the rest sits inside the loader on my bookshelf. I have an extra 100' in the freezer though. Fuji just gave a press release that Neopan 400 is being phased out, but here is a not so well known alternative film: http://www.adorama.com/KE400100.html Its brought to you by the same guys who gave us Ilford. How why its cheaper is beyond me, but its quality almost the same as Ilford HP5+ (a bit grainier; I have yet to compare the Kentmere 100 with FP4). It takes longer to process it with the same chemistry; so far we have tried it with Ilford's ID-11 and homebrewed (pa)Rodinal. Bong On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kodak Retina folders had a somewhat shorter distance between the canister and the last frame, party due to their compact size. I don't remember how much less and I'm too lazy to look but it wasn't much. There was still plenty of room between the last usable film and the spool even if one were being sloppy attaching the film. On 7/22/2013 12:04 PM, John Sessoms wrote: It's just a short stub - 1/4 to 3/8 inch sticking out of the cartridge. Taking as an example my K1000, the distance between where the film comes out of the cartridge the nearest edge of the shutter window is about 1/2 inch. I think that's about right. I was going to look, but I can't right now because I have film in the camera. Plus whatever slack there is from where you're winding the next frame and only get half a stroke know to rewind because if you force it you're either going to break the film off from the cartridge or you're going to get overlap on your last two frames. I don't know of any camera that would put an image on that last inch or so of the film. I'll bet not exposing that area is even part of the specification Kodak gave the camera manufacturers many years ago. ... or whoever invented the 35mm film cartridge. On 7/22/2013 9:16 AM, pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Interesting - wouldn't the minilab lose the last frame by cutting off the film? In the rolls I develop by hand I get pretty close to the end of the spoolm but maybe the cannister is smaller than I think. I once brought a roll of E-6 to a Walgreens and was upbrided by the machine operator who told me it would ruin his chemistry... brought it to the pro lab instead. Mark On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Be careful not to spoil the light-tightness of the end caps you're good to go. I've got several reusable cartridges that turned out to be old commercial cartridges with a plastic label applied to hide the original artwork. Actually, when I was running the mini-lab I kept several Chinese commercial C-41 cartridges that had plastic labels over the original Fuji film artwork (not just re-badged Fuji film because the underlying cartridges were originally Fujichrome E-6). So they can not only be reused for hand reloading, they were sometimes reused for commercial reloading. Also, the way we processed film at the mini-lab left a VERY short leader sticking out of the cartridge. If you're careful *NOT* to rewind that leader into the cartridge, you don't need to pop the ends off the cartridge. Just tape the end of your bulk film to the leader use it to pull the film into the cartridge. Once you've got a couple of turns on friction will help to keep it from slipping off if the tape doesn't hold. But, if you rewind it lose that leader inside the cartridge, it's not long enough to retrieve with a leader extractor. When I ran the mini-lab we had a big box to throw the old cartridges into. When it filled up it got taped up shipped back to Kodak for recycling. I bet, if you can still find a mini-lab where you are, you could ask and they'd let you take something like a gallon zip lock bag full of used cartridges away with you. Might even let you pick through the box to find the ones the stub leader hasn't been retracted yet. Probably won't even have to ask Pretty Please! One thing about mini-labs. You can take the occasional E-6 in and have it cross processed without hurting their chemistry and you get some really different negatives. But, NEVER, EVER take traditional BW films to a mini-lab. The average mini-lab operator drone won't know what it is they won't know any better than to send it through the C-41 processor. It can mess up their chemistry a little bit (they'll get over it if they even notice), and it will definitely EFF UP your film. On 7/20/2013 5:57 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link
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Maybe that was the source of some company in China had bought all of the production machinery. On 7/22/2013 11:59 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: I think that Kodak outsourced production to a firm in China... On 7/22/2013 11:06 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I wonder if there's any hope of Plus-X or the like ever making a comeback? I seem to remember that when Kodak was shutting down their BW film line there was a news item to the effect that some company in China had bought all of the production machinery. Which just spawned another thought - someone appears to be still manufacturing Kodak T-Max, but who is it? On 7/21/2013 9:05 PM, Bong Manayon wrote: Hi Mark, Been doing that a lot lately too; I have something like 10 canisters only so I don't load everything up and the rest sits inside the loader on my bookshelf. I have an extra 100' in the freezer though. Fuji just gave a press release that Neopan 400 is being phased out, but here is a not so well known alternative film: http://www.adorama.com/KE400100.html Its brought to you by the same guys who gave us Ilford. How why its cheaper is beyond me, but its quality almost the same as Ilford HP5+ (a bit grainier; I have yet to compare the Kentmere 100 with FP4). It takes longer to process it with the same chemistry; so far we have tried it with Ilford's ID-11 and homebrewed (pa)Rodinal. Bong On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm thinking that the reason they outsourced to a firm in China is that they sold the machinery to a firm in China. It makes for a nice closed logic loop, and a certain amount of irony. Kodak couldn't make a profit selling the same film they made to the same specifications on the same machinery, but they can make a profit reselling that film if someone else operates the machinery. On 7/22/2013 12:40 PM, John wrote: Maybe that was the source of some company in China had bought all of the production machinery. On 7/22/2013 11:59 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: I think that Kodak outsourced production to a firm in China... On 7/22/2013 11:06 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I wonder if there's any hope of Plus-X or the like ever making a comeback? I seem to remember that when Kodak was shutting down their BW film line there was a news item to the effect that some company in China had bought all of the production machinery. Which just spawned another thought - someone appears to be still manufacturing Kodak T-Max, but who is it? On 7/21/2013 9:05 PM, Bong Manayon wrote: Hi Mark, Been doing that a lot lately too; I have something like 10 canisters only so I don't load everything up and the rest sits inside the loader on my bookshelf. I have an extra 100' in the freezer though. Fuji just gave a press release that Neopan 400 is being phased out, but here is a not so well known alternative film: http://www.adorama.com/KE400100.html Its brought to you by the same guys who gave us Ilford. How why its cheaper is beyond me, but its quality almost the same as Ilford HP5+ (a bit grainier; I have yet to compare the Kentmere 100 with FP4). It takes longer to process it with the same chemistry; so far we have tried it with Ilford's ID-11 and homebrewed (pa)Rodinal. Bong On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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PS: Maybe this happened a long time ago when corporations still invested in training their employees and the operator actually looked at the film cartridge before sticking it in the processor. My employer didn't train me, but I had learned just enough from my first year of photography school (before I ran out of money had to come home to look for a J.O.B.) to fill in the Grand Canyon of the Colorado sized gaps in the information I was given. The Walgreen's operator was an idiot of an unusual kind if he noticed the type of film. Most mini-lab operators wouldn't even have seen it was E-6 film or known what E-6 film meant even if they did notice it. Running an occasional roll of E-6 through the C-41 chemistry won't harm the chemistry. It's called cross processing. You do have to compensate your replenishment if you're doing a lot of it, but one roll in a hundred won't matter. On 7/22/2013 9:16 AM, pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Interesting - wouldn't the minilab lose the last frame by cutting off the film? In the rolls I develop by hand I get pretty close to the end of the spoolm but maybe the cannister is smaller than I think. I once brought a roll of E-6 to a Walgreens and was upbrided by the machine operator who told me it would ruin his chemistry... brought it to the pro lab instead. Mark On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Be careful not to spoil the light-tightness of the end caps you're good to go. I've got several reusable cartridges that turned out to be old commercial cartridges with a plastic label applied to hide the original artwork. Actually, when I was running the mini-lab I kept several Chinese commercial C-41 cartridges that had plastic labels over the original Fuji film artwork (not just re-badged Fuji film because the underlying cartridges were originally Fujichrome E-6). So they can not only be reused for hand reloading, they were sometimes reused for commercial reloading. Also, the way we processed film at the mini-lab left a VERY short leader sticking out of the cartridge. If you're careful *NOT* to rewind that leader into the cartridge, you don't need to pop the ends off the cartridge. Just tape the end of your bulk film to the leader use it to pull the film into the cartridge. Once you've got a couple of turns on friction will help to keep it from slipping off if the tape doesn't hold. But, if you rewind it lose that leader inside the cartridge, it's not long enough to retrieve with a leader extractor. When I ran the mini-lab we had a big box to throw the old cartridges into. When it filled up it got taped up shipped back to Kodak for recycling. I bet, if you can still find a mini-lab where you are, you could ask and they'd let you take something like a gallon zip lock bag full of used cartridges away with you. Might even let you pick through the box to find the ones the stub leader hasn't been retracted yet. Probably won't even have to ask Pretty Please! One thing about mini-labs. You can take the occasional E-6 in and have it cross processed without hurting their chemistry and you get some really different negatives. But, NEVER, EVER take traditional BW films to a mini-lab. The average mini-lab operator drone won't know what it is they won't know any better than to send it through the C-41 processor. It can mess up their chemistry a little bit (they'll get over it if they even notice), and it will definitely EFF UP your film. On 7/20/2013 5:57 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'll have to look at the next roll I develop - maybe there is more room at the end than I remember. I'm mostly shooting with an *ist film body and Mz-S these days, so the camera decides when the film is over. But both bodies let me leave the leader out, so I could pursue the short leader option for reloading canisters... Mark On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:04 PM, John Sessoms wrote: It's just a short stub - 1/4 to 3/8 inch sticking out of the cartridge. Taking as an example my K1000, the distance between where the film comes out of the cartridge the nearest edge of the shutter window is about 1/2 inch. I think that's about right. I was going to look, but I can't right now because I have film in the camera. Plus whatever slack there is from where you're winding the next frame and only get half a stroke know to rewind because if you force it you're either going to break the film off from the cartridge or you're going to get overlap on your last two frames. I don't know of any camera that would put an image on that last inch or so of the film. I'll bet not exposing that area is even part of the specification Kodak gave the camera manufacturers many years ago. ... or whoever invented the 35mm film cartridge. On 7/22/2013 9:16 AM, pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Interesting - wouldn't the minilab lose the last frame by cutting off the film? In the rolls I develop by hand I get pretty close to the end of the spoolm but maybe the cannister is smaller than I think. I once brought a roll of E-6 to a Walgreens and was upbrided by the machine operator who told me it would ruin his chemistry... brought it to the pro lab instead. Mark On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Be careful not to spoil the light-tightness of the end caps you're good to go. I've got several reusable cartridges that turned out to be old commercial cartridges with a plastic label applied to hide the original artwork. Actually, when I was running the mini-lab I kept several Chinese commercial C-41 cartridges that had plastic labels over the original Fuji film artwork (not just re-badged Fuji film because the underlying cartridges were originally Fujichrome E-6). So they can not only be reused for hand reloading, they were sometimes reused for commercial reloading. Also, the way we processed film at the mini-lab left a VERY short leader sticking out of the cartridge. If you're careful *NOT* to rewind that leader into the cartridge, you don't need to pop the ends off the cartridge. Just tape the end of your bulk film to the leader use it to pull the film into the cartridge. Once you've got a couple of turns on friction will help to keep it from slipping off if the tape doesn't hold. But, if you rewind it lose that leader inside the cartridge, it's not long enough to retrieve with a leader extractor. When I ran the mini-lab we had a big box to throw the old cartridges into. When it filled up it got taped up shipped back to Kodak for recycling. I bet, if you can still find a mini-lab where you are, you could ask and they'd let you take something like a gallon zip lock bag full of used cartridges away with you. Might even let you pick through the box to find the ones the stub leader hasn't been retracted yet. Probably won't even have to ask Pretty Please! One thing about mini-labs. You can take the occasional E-6 in and have it cross processed without hurting their chemistry and you get some really different negatives. But, NEVER, EVER take traditional BW films to a mini-lab. The average mini-lab operator drone won't know what it is they won't know any better than to send it through the C-41 processor. It can mess up their chemistry a little bit (they'll get over it if they even notice), and it will definitely EFF UP your film. On 7/20/2013 5:57 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to
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Regarding the Kodak deal in China: In 1998 Kodak realized that the emergence of a more prosperous middle class in China would create huge demand for photographic products. Obviously, people would want to buy film, and lots of it. So they got into China big time, with considerable cost added by the Chinese government limiting their options. They figured that by 2008 the demand for film in China would be huge and sales would sky rocket... Oops - the Chinese market went directly to digital and largely by passed film... Two quotes from The Economist: May, 1998: But Kodak is really buying something more valuable: admission to what could be the biggest film market in the world within a decade (it is already the third-largest, and is growing by 20-40% a year). It has paid dearly for its entry ticket, but the rewards could be commensurate. Local manufacturing and distribution should bring a big cost advantage over Fuji, and lots of goodwill from the Chinese government. And the deal will allow Kodak to escape the official 40% import duties China imposes on film. http://www.economist.com/node/159001 January, 2012 Kodak also failed to read emerging markets correctly. It hoped that the new Chinese middle class would buy lots of film. They did for a short while, but then decided that digital cameras were cooler. Many leap-frogged from no camera straight to a digital one. http://www.economist.com/node/21542796 I keep hoping that someone in China will fire up the factories and make some good BW film, maybe even something like Plus X. Not sure if that will happen. The only films I know of are Shanghai and Lucky. There was speculation at one time that JC's old Classic Pan 100 was made in China but no one ever seems to have figured that out. The other Classic Pan films are rumored to be Forte? or Foam? I don't remember. I wonder where the Ultrafine Xtreme products are made - including the T grain film that they produce - but so far I have only shot one roll of Xtreme 400 and could not even accurately describe its properties. My first impression was good, though. Mark On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:58 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: I'm thinking that the reason they outsourced to a firm in China is that they sold the machinery to a firm in China. It makes for a nice closed logic loop, and a certain amount of irony. Kodak couldn't make a profit selling the same film they made to the same specifications on the same machinery, but they can make a profit reselling that film if someone else operates the machinery. On 7/22/2013 12:40 PM, John wrote: -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The Pentax K1000 *is* 1/2 inch from the lip of the cassette to the edge of the shutter window. I went out for a long time today and shot the roll of film that was loaded in it, and I am now able to measure it. And I found out Kodak did invent the pre-loaded 135 film cassette. It was, in fact, introduced for the Kodak Retina, invented by Dr. August Nagel of the Kodak AG Dr. The cassette was designed to fit in existing Leica Zeiss cameras I guess the Retina was designed around the cassette. Cool stuff, hunh? On 7/22/2013 12:51 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Kodak Retina folders had a somewhat shorter distance between the canister and the last frame, party due to their compact size. I don't remember how much less and I'm too lazy to look but it wasn't much. There was still plenty of room between the last usable film and the spool even if one were being sloppy attaching the film. On 7/22/2013 12:04 PM, John Sessoms wrote: It's just a short stub - 1/4 to 3/8 inch sticking out of the cartridge. Taking as an example my K1000, the distance between where the film comes out of the cartridge the nearest edge of the shutter window is about 1/2 inch. I think that's about right. I was going to look, but I can't right now because I have film in the camera. Plus whatever slack there is from where you're winding the next frame and only get half a stroke know to rewind because if you force it you're either going to break the film off from the cartridge or you're going to get overlap on your last two frames. I don't know of any camera that would put an image on that last inch or so of the film. I'll bet not exposing that area is even part of the specification Kodak gave the camera manufacturers many years ago. ... or whoever invented the 35mm film cartridge. On 7/22/2013 9:16 AM, pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Interesting - wouldn't the minilab lose the last frame by cutting off the film? In the rolls I develop by hand I get pretty close to the end of the spoolm but maybe the cannister is smaller than I think. I once brought a roll of E-6 to a Walgreens and was upbrided by the machine operator who told me it would ruin his chemistry... brought it to the pro lab instead. Mark On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Be careful not to spoil the light-tightness of the end caps you're good to go. I've got several reusable cartridges that turned out to be old commercial cartridges with a plastic label applied to hide the original artwork. Actually, when I was running the mini-lab I kept several Chinese commercial C-41 cartridges that had plastic labels over the original Fuji film artwork (not just re-badged Fuji film because the underlying cartridges were originally Fujichrome E-6). So they can not only be reused for hand reloading, they were sometimes reused for commercial reloading. Also, the way we processed film at the mini-lab left a VERY short leader sticking out of the cartridge. If you're careful *NOT* to rewind that leader into the cartridge, you don't need to pop the ends off the cartridge. Just tape the end of your bulk film to the leader use it to pull the film into the cartridge. Once you've got a couple of turns on friction will help to keep it from slipping off if the tape doesn't hold. But, if you rewind it lose that leader inside the cartridge, it's not long enough to retrieve with a leader extractor. When I ran the mini-lab we had a big box to throw the old cartridges into. When it filled up it got taped up shipped back to Kodak for recycling. I bet, if you can still find a mini-lab where you are, you could ask and they'd let you take something like a gallon zip lock bag full of used cartridges away with you. Might even let you pick through the box to find the ones the stub leader hasn't been retracted yet. Probably won't even have to ask Pretty Please! One thing about mini-labs. You can take the occasional E-6 in and have it cross processed without hurting their chemistry and you get some really different negatives. But, NEVER, EVER take traditional BW films to a mini-lab. The average mini-lab operator drone won't know what it is they won't know any better than to send it through the C-41 processor. It can mess up their chemistry a little bit (they'll get over it if they even notice), and it will definitely EFF UP your film. On 7/20/2013 5:57 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using
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Leader might not be the right word. When you run the film through the film processor, the cassette sits in a little spring loaded cup while the machine pulls the film out of the cassette. When the film is pulled fully out, the tension pulls the cassette the cup down against a switch that activates a blade cutting the film loose from the cassette. The cutter leaves about a quarter inch of film protruding from the almost empty cassette. If you're loading your own cassettes you could tape the end of your bulk roll on to the stub not have to pop the cassette open to attach the film to the spindle. Just hand wind it a half turn while feeding the end of your film past the felt wipers it should wind right onto the spindle with no problem from there. Also, if you're bringing in film with the leader already out and the operator is on the ball, he/she should ask you if you're sure you have exposed film. Most of the time the leader hanging out means the film was never used. On 7/22/2013 9:20 PM, pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I'll have to look at the next roll I develop - maybe there is more room at the end than I remember. I'm mostly shooting with an *ist film body and Mz-S these days, so the camera decides when the film is over. But both bodies let me leave the leader out, so I could pursue the short leader option for reloading canisters... Mark On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 12:04 PM, John Sessoms wrote: It's just a short stub - 1/4 to 3/8 inch sticking out of the cartridge. Taking as an example my K1000, the distance between where the film comes out of the cartridge the nearest edge of the shutter window is about 1/2 inch. I think that's about right. I was going to look, but I can't right now because I have film in the camera. Plus whatever slack there is from where you're winding the next frame and only get half a stroke know to rewind because if you force it you're either going to break the film off from the cartridge or you're going to get overlap on your last two frames. I don't know of any camera that would put an image on that last inch or so of the film. I'll bet not exposing that area is even part of the specification Kodak gave the camera manufacturers many years ago. ... or whoever invented the 35mm film cartridge. On 7/22/2013 9:16 AM, pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Interesting - wouldn't the minilab lose the last frame by cutting off the film? In the rolls I develop by hand I get pretty close to the end of the spoolm but maybe the cannister is smaller than I think. I once brought a roll of E-6 to a Walgreens and was upbrided by the machine operator who told me it would ruin his chemistry... brought it to the pro lab instead. Mark On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 2:21 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Be careful not to spoil the light-tightness of the end caps you're good to go. I've got several reusable cartridges that turned out to be old commercial cartridges with a plastic label applied to hide the original artwork. Actually, when I was running the mini-lab I kept several Chinese commercial C-41 cartridges that had plastic labels over the original Fuji film artwork (not just re-badged Fuji film because the underlying cartridges were originally Fujichrome E-6). So they can not only be reused for hand reloading, they were sometimes reused for commercial reloading. Also, the way we processed film at the mini-lab left a VERY short leader sticking out of the cartridge. If you're careful *NOT* to rewind that leader into the cartridge, you don't need to pop the ends off the cartridge. Just tape the end of your bulk film to the leader use it to pull the film into the cartridge. Once you've got a couple of turns on friction will help to keep it from slipping off if the tape doesn't hold. But, if you rewind it lose that leader inside the cartridge, it's not long enough to retrieve with a leader extractor. When I ran the mini-lab we had a big box to throw the old cartridges into. When it filled up it got taped up shipped back to Kodak for recycling. I bet, if you can still find a mini-lab where you are, you could ask and they'd let you take something like a gallon zip lock bag full of used cartridges away with you. Might even let you pick through the box to find the ones the stub leader hasn't been retracted yet. Probably won't even have to ask Pretty Please! One thing about mini-labs. You can take the occasional E-6 in and have it cross processed without hurting their chemistry and you get some really different negatives. But, NEVER, EVER take traditional BW films to a mini-lab. The average mini-lab operator drone won't know what it is they won't know any better than to send it through the C-41 processor. It can mess up their chemistry a little bit (they'll get over it if they even notice), and it will definitely EFF UP your film. On 7/20/2013 5:57 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from
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On 7/20/2013 5:21 PM, Mark C wrote: Thanks, Ken - I was wondering if the reusable canister would get too messed up from adhesive residue, if tape or labels were used, but apparently not. Mark I've found those alcohol prep pads like you use for cleaning skin before sticking yourself to check your blood sugar will take the residue off if it's starting to build up and doesn't seem to do any damage to the cartridge. I used to peel the old label off put a new one whenever reused a cartridge. Didn't need to clean them every time. I've got a bunch of those reusable cartridges that turned out to be nothing more than commercial cartridges with a printed label over the original Kodak/Fuji artwork on metal casing. On 7/20/2013 2:14 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? In film days I use to mark the ISO number of exposures on a piece of masking tape a put it on the cassette. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net Subject: Re: Bulk Film Loading On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote: Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sold out…a relic. On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Be careful not to spoil the light-tightness of the end caps you're good to go. I've got several reusable cartridges that turned out to be old commercial cartridges with a plastic label applied to hide the original artwork. Actually, when I was running the mini-lab I kept several Chinese commercial C-41 cartridges that had plastic labels over the original Fuji film artwork (not just re-badged Fuji film because the underlying cartridges were originally Fujichrome E-6). So they can not only be reused for hand reloading, they were sometimes reused for commercial reloading. Also, the way we processed film at the mini-lab left a VERY short leader sticking out of the cartridge. If you're careful *NOT* to rewind that leader into the cartridge, you don't need to pop the ends off the cartridge. Just tape the end of your bulk film to the leader use it to pull the film into the cartridge. Once you've got a couple of turns on friction will help to keep it from slipping off if the tape doesn't hold. But, if you rewind it lose that leader inside the cartridge, it's not long enough to retrieve with a leader extractor. When I ran the mini-lab we had a big box to throw the old cartridges into. When it filled up it got taped up shipped back to Kodak for recycling. I bet, if you can still find a mini-lab where you are, you could ask and they'd let you take something like a gallon zip lock bag full of used cartridges away with you. Might even let you pick through the box to find the ones the stub leader hasn't been retracted yet. Probably won't even have to ask Pretty Please! One thing about mini-labs. You can take the occasional E-6 in and have it cross processed without hurting their chemistry and you get some really different negatives. But, NEVER, EVER take traditional BW films to a mini-lab. The average mini-lab operator drone won't know what it is they won't know any better than to send it through the C-41 processor. It can mess up their chemistry a little bit (they'll get over it if they even notice), and it will definitely EFF UP your film. On 7/20/2013 5:57 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I never had any trouble from using one like this. http://tinyurl.com/film-opener And in a long ago land before certain design refinements became widespread, the other end was just as useful. On 7/20/2013 6:12 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: If you use a certain film cassette opener, it won't crimp the end cap. I'm not sure how many times you can reuse it, though. Look here: http://www.adorama.com/KRCO.html Jeffery On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That SUX! Seems like everything that makes my life worth living is now either illegal, immoral or fattening ... or has been discontinued by the manufacturer. On 7/21/2013 2:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Sold out…a relic. On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Worse yet, Porter's Camera is also gone. http://www.porters.com No Porter's, no Spiratone. Where are we supposed to get camera odds and ends now? I still have my black and brown leather Porter's bean bag, and still use it. I think it cost about $7 in the 70's. Jeffery On Jul 21, 2013, at 1:34 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: That SUX! Seems like everything that makes my life worth living is now either illegal, immoral or fattening ... or has been discontinued by the manufacturer. On 7/21/2013 2:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Sold out…a relic. On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You can find a lot of it on Amazon and ebay but it is sad. Porters did try to continue with a combination of the old and new business model. To bad they didn't succeed. On 7/21/2013 2:48 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Worse yet, Porter's Camera is also gone. http://www.porters.com No Porter's, no Spiratone. Where are we supposed to get camera odds and ends now? I still have my black and brown leather Porter's bean bag, and still use it. I think it cost about $7 in the 70's. Jeffery On Jul 21, 2013, at 1:34 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: That SUX! Seems like everything that makes my life worth living is now either illegal, immoral or fattening ... or has been discontinued by the manufacturer. On 7/21/2013 2:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Sold out…a relic. On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That should be Too bad... (I can be my own Spelling and Grammar Nazi). On 7/21/2013 3:42 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: You can find a lot of it on Amazon and ebay but it is sad. Porters did try to continue with a combination of the old and new business model. To bad they didn't succeed. On 7/21/2013 2:48 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Worse yet, Porter's Camera is also gone. http://www.porters.com No Porter's, no Spiratone. Where are we supposed to get camera odds and ends now? I still have my black and brown leather Porter's bean bag, and still use it. I think it cost about $7 in the 70's. Jeffery On Jul 21, 2013, at 1:34 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: That SUX! Seems like everything that makes my life worth living is now either illegal, immoral or fattening ... or has been discontinued by the manufacturer. On 7/21/2013 2:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Sold out…a relic. On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Film canister technology seemed to change at some time: when I first started using bulk film (about 1971) even Kodak cartridges could be easily split apart and re-used. Then some time later, it became impossible to get the end off without damaging it, so I kept using some rather battered looking older canisters - just found I still have one, FP4, loaded with blank processed film to test or demonstrate film loading in a camera! My technique in those days was to use a knife blade to pop the end off, seemed to be less damaging than pliers or grips. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark C Sent: Sunday, 21 July 2013 7:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Bulk Film Loading On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Mark, Been doing that a lot lately too; I have something like 10 canisters only so I don't load everything up and the rest sits inside the loader on my bookshelf. I have an extra 100' in the freezer though. Fuji just gave a press release that Neopan 400 is being phased out, but here is a not so well known alternative film: http://www.adorama.com/KE400100.html Its brought to you by the same guys who gave us Ilford. How why its cheaper is beyond me, but its quality almost the same as Ilford HP5+ (a bit grainier; I have yet to compare the Kentmere 100 with FP4). It takes longer to process it with the same chemistry; so far we have tried it with Ilford's ID-11 and homebrewed (pa)Rodinal. Bong On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I waited too long… Availability: Sold Out Item #: 400061 On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:46 , John Sessoms wrote: http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I think Plus X was discontinued some time ago - I got a few rolls o 120 and 10 pack of 24 exposure 35mm when it was disconitnued, which I still have. Istumbled into a pro pack of 120 on ebay at a good price recently. I really liked that film. These days I am using Arista Edu 100. I bought some Pro Max which I believe is rebranded Lucky 100 - OK but not so great. Want to give Kentmere 100 a try. Mark On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: I waited too long… Availability: Sold Out Item #: 400061 On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:46 , John Sessoms wrote: http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yeah - I'm enjoying Kentmere 400 a lot. I need to try the ISO 100 product. I never cared much for HP 5 or FP 4 - they were technically fine but I just never got excited about them. I like the Kentmere 400 because it is more grainy and has more character. I actually ordered a 100' roll of the Kentmere 400 with the bulk loader. Mark On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Bong Manayon wrote: Hi Mark, Been doing that a lot lately too; I have something like 10 canisters only so I don't load everything up and the rest sits inside the loader on my bookshelf. I have an extra 100' in the freezer though. Fuji just gave a press release that Neopan 400 is being phased out, but here is a not so well known alternative film: http://www.adorama.com/KE400100.html Its brought to you by the same guys who gave us Ilford. How why its cheaper is beyond me, but its quality almost the same as Ilford HP5+ (a bit grainier; I have yet to compare the Kentmere 100 with FP4). It takes longer to process it with the same chemistry; so far we have tried it with Ilford's ID-11 and homebrewed (pa)Rodinal. Bong On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://bong.manayon.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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According to this Wikipedia article, Plus-X was discontinued in 2011. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_discontinued_photographic_films#Plus_X_125 On 7/21/2013 10:23 PM, pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I think Plus X was discontinued some time ago - I got a few rolls o 120 and 10 pack of 24 exposure 35mm when it was disconitnued, which I still have. Istumbled into a pro pack of 120 on ebay at a good price recently. I really liked that film. These days I am using Arista Edu 100. I bought some Pro Max which I believe is rebranded Lucky 100 - OK but not so great. Want to give Kentmere 100 a try. Mark On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote: I waited too long… Availability: Sold Out Item #: 400061 On Jul 21, 2013, at 10:46 , John Sessoms wrote: http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Where are we supposed to get camera odds and ends now? Craigs list, Ebay, Amazon, PDML etc. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Bulk Film Loading Worse yet, Porter's Camera is also gone. http://www.porters.com No Porter's, no Spiratone. Where are we supposed to get camera odds and ends now? I still have my black and brown leather Porter's bean bag, and still use it. I think it cost about $7 in the 70's. Jeffery On Jul 21, 2013, at 1:34 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: That SUX! Seems like everything that makes my life worth living is now either illegal, immoral or fattening ... or has been discontinued by the manufacturer. On 7/21/2013 2:15 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Sold out…a relic. On Jul 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: http://www.porters.com/kodak-plus-x-iso-125-35mm-bulk-b-w-film-px402-100-ft.html On 7/20/2013 5:46 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There are still 1 hour places prevalent here and one lab that does 120 C41 and E6, but only once a week. The other lab that did it in house abruptly stopped when their machine broke and could not be repaired, and I expect that might be ultimate end of local 120 developing at this lab as well. Fortunately for the owner he has diversified into a field that should be immune to changing technologies - he's running a couple of successful pubs in addition to the film lab. I do all the BW myself, usually in Rodinal or HC100. I still have 3+ liters of Agfa Rodinal to work through! Mark On 7/20/2013 1:18 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm amazed to hear that so many are still shooting a lot of film. There are so few photo-labs left in SA now, in fact only in the big cities nothing in the platteland. If I shoot a film, I have to use the postal service now - no more 1 hour service. I thought about developing my own negs again but the idea passed after a couple of beers. Yonks ago I used to buy long strips of 35mm BW film from a reporter friend of mine and manually load them into re-cycled cannisters in his darkroom. I wound it in to the limit - usually about 50 exp. I thought the scratched negs were due to bad handling! Alan C -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote: Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you have a lab in your area, see if they will give you some of the plastic film canisters (with lids) that they normally toss. There are probably a lot fewer of them these days, but a lab will still be the accumulator. Hopefully they haven't gotten precious enough to CHARGE for. But then you can put a piece of masking (or painter's) tape on the lid and label THAT. The canister provides other obvious protections, as well. I'd also add that if you are rolling different sizes that it is also important to put the number of FRAMES on your label. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote: Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/20/2013 9:46 AM, Mark C wrote: There are still 1 hour places prevalent here and one lab that does 120 C41 and E6, but only once a week. The other lab that did it in house abruptly stopped when their machine broke and could not be repaired, and I expect that might be ultimate end of local 120 developing at this lab as well. Fortunately for the owner he has diversified into a field that should be immune to changing technologies - he's running a couple of successful pubs in addition to the film lab. ... as long as he doesn't get the different chemistries mixed up. I do all the BW myself, usually in Rodinal or HC100. I still have 3+ liters of Agfa Rodinal to work through! Mark On 7/20/2013 1:18 AM, Alan C wrote: I'm amazed to hear that so many are still shooting a lot of film. There are so few photo-labs left in SA now, in fact only in the big cities nothing in the platteland. If I shoot a film, I have to use the postal service now - no more 1 hour service. I thought about developing my own negs again but the idea passed after a couple of beers. Yonks ago I used to buy long strips of 35mm BW film from a reporter friend of mine and manually load them into re-cycled cannisters in his darkroom. I wound it in to the limit - usually about 50 exp. I thought the scratched negs were due to bad handling! Alan C -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/20/2013 9:51 AM, Mark C wrote: On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote: Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie. Mark I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... I have a lot of left over 3.5 diskette labels. I cut a piece to fit the cartridge write the film type/speed on it before pasting it onto the cartridge. When I was running the mini-lab, I kept every one of the translucent plastic canisters that came in with a roll of Fuji film, so I've got all of the cartridges in a plastic canister. I've got several large carrier bags of canisters left over in case I should ever need them. I should note that there's a difference between SHOOTING a lot of film and HAVING a lot of film. If I were actually shooting a lot of film, there would be room in my refrigerator to keep FOOD in there. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Darren - Your post on film canisters reminded me of this tongue-in-cheek blog post I wrote several years back. It followed a discussion of how to carry your SD cards. http://georgesweblog.blogspot.com/2006/08/nostalgic-sd-card-cases.html gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a lab in your area, see if they will give you some of the plastic film canisters (with lids) that they normally toss. There are probably a lot fewer of them these days, but a lab will still be the accumulator. Hopefully they haven't gotten precious enough to CHARGE for. But then you can put a piece of masking (or painter's) tape on the lid and label THAT. The canister provides other obvious protections, as well. I'd also add that if you are rolling different sizes that it is also important to put the number of FRAMES on your label. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote: Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have some of those carrying cases filled with old 2GB SD cards. On 7/20/2013 11:19 AM, George Sinos wrote: Darren - Your post on film canisters reminded me of this tongue-in-cheek blog post I wrote several years back. It followed a discussion of how to carry your SD cards. http://georgesweblog.blogspot.com/2006/08/nostalgic-sd-card-cases.html gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a lab in your area, see if they will give you some of the plastic film canisters (with lids) that they normally toss. There are probably a lot fewer of them these days, but a lab will still be the accumulator. Hopefully they haven't gotten precious enough to CHARGE for. But then you can put a piece of masking (or painter's) tape on the lid and label THAT. The canister provides other obvious protections, as well. I'd also add that if you are rolling different sizes that it is also important to put the number of FRAMES on your label. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote: Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? In film days I use to mark the ISO number of exposures on a piece of masking tape a put it on the cassette. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net Subject: Re: Bulk Film Loading On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote: Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I used to use small self adhesive labels. They stuck well enough, I never had one come off unintentionally, I could mark such thins as last frame used etc., if I switched firm in the middle of a roll, and were easy enough to remove when I recycled the film cassette. That way if I used different emulsions, at same time, I was rolling four different kinds for a while, I didn't make too many mistakes when processing. On 7/20/2013 9:51 AM, Mark C wrote: On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote: Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie. Mark -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Ken - I was wondering if the reusable canister would get too messed up from adhesive residue, if tape or labels were used, but apparently not. Mark On 7/20/2013 2:14 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? In film days I use to mark the ISO number of exposures on a piece of masking tape a put it on the cassette. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net Subject: Re: Bulk Film Loading On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote: Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: Thanks, Ken - I was wondering if the reusable canister would get too messed up from adhesive residue, if tape or labels were used, but apparently not. Mark On 7/20/2013 2:14 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? In film days I use to mark the ISO number of exposures on a piece of masking tape a put it on the cassette. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net Subject: Re: Bulk Film Loading On 7/19/2013 11:37 PM, John wrote: Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. HOw do you label the bulk loaded cartridges? I was thinking of just writing the film type and speed on the leader with a sharpie. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/20/2013 5:25 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Porters Camera or Freestyle used to sell permanent little adhesive labels for 35mm cassettes. I never needed them since I only loaded one type of BW film (Plus X). Jeffery I wish Plus-X was still around Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If you use a certain film cassette opener, it won't crimp the end cap. I'm not sure how many times you can reuse it, though. Look here: http://www.adorama.com/KRCO.html Jeffery On Jul 20, 2013, at 4:57 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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When I was spooling my own 35mm the crimped ends of the Kodak canisters were very difficult to remove, though earlier Kodak canisters were made differently and easily reusable, I had a couple. Ilford canisters were very easy to re use and seemed to be made for that from the start. On 7/20/2013 5:57 PM, Mark C wrote: On 7/20/2013 11:18 AM, John Sessoms wrote: I seem to have inherited the pack-rat gene as a dominant from both parents ... Then you are probably the right person to ask this question - can you re-use commercial film canisters? I am somewhat embarrassed to admit this in a public forum but I just developed 2 rolls of Pro-Max 100. Just for the fun of it I tried popping the end of each canister off with just my fingers, no can opener. They came off easily and after the film was spooled I put the canister, center spool and ends back together. Both of them look perfectly serviceable. Did you ever try re-using the actual canister? I don't think this would work with Kodak or Fuji canisters - the end caps on those seem to be held on tight and a can opener is needed to get them off - but who knows about other brands, like UltraFine and Adox etc... If I can reuse the canisters, which normally sell for about $1 each, then the $1.75 per roll I paid for the Pro Max was not a terribly bad deal. Mark -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just load them as you need them. It'll be fine. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It has been a long time since I have done bulk loading. Bulk loaders are so cheap right now, that one could have several with a different kind of film in each (assuming one shoots more than one kind of film). No need to bulk load the entire roll in one session. To do that you would need a pretty big supply of reloadable canisters. Obviously, the more exposures you put in one canister the fewer you need (and the fewer frames lost to waste), but one of the advantages of bulk loading is that you can make 12 exposure rolls (if you like). Less time with film waiting in the camera for exposures to finish a roll (as often happens with longer rolls). Dust is your enemy. I'd suggest keeping the bulk loader in a gallon zip-lock baggie with a packet of silica gel. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm curious. You can load the rolls in daylight without a changing bag? How much money do you think you are saving over regular rolls? On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a long time since I have done bulk loading. Bulk loaders are so cheap right now, that one could have several with a different kind of film in each (assuming one shoots more than one kind of film). No need to bulk load the entire roll in one session. To do that you would need a pretty big supply of reloadable canisters. Obviously, the more exposures you put in one canister the fewer you need (and the fewer frames lost to waste), but one of the advantages of bulk loading is that you can make 12 exposure rolls (if you like). Less time with film waiting in the camera for exposures to finish a roll (as often happens with longer rolls). Dust is your enemy. I'd suggest keeping the bulk loader in a gallon zip-lock baggie with a packet of silica gel. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Resist any temptation to load more than 36 exposures. It will scratch the film unless you are using an ultra thin film such as HW Control Pan film. I had better luck with metal canisters with a snap on end than the plastic canisters with a screw on end. Jeffery On Jul 19, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As long as you keep the bulk roll balance in a cool place, no problems. If in the fridge, don't forget to let it warm up and lose any condensation before transferring to the canister. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark C Sent: Saturday, 20 July 2013 9:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Bulk Film Loading I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You have to load the 100' roll in the dark, but there is a baffle that blocks the light when you are loading canisters. Jeffery On Jul 19, 2013, at 6:44 PM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious. You can load the rolls in daylight without a changing bag? How much money do you think you are saving over regular rolls? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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18-19 rolls according to one comment. Tri-X is $70 for 100ft in bulk. You can buy 36 exposure rolls of Tri-X for $6. So, total savings is somewhere around $40 over factory issued rolls. Interesting. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:46 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: As long as you keep the bulk roll balance in a cool place, no problems. If in the fridge, don't forget to let it warm up and lose any condensation before transferring to the canister. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark C Sent: Saturday, 20 July 2013 9:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Bulk Film Loading I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, if you are interested in Tri-X try Arista Premium 400 from Freestyle Photographic. It is rumored to be rebadged Tri-X. I Picked up several rolls and have been experimenting - shooting a roll of Tri-X and the Arista Premium and developing one of each in the same tank. SO far, the results have been great - I see no difference at all between the two films. At $2.89 per 36 exposure roll it beats bulk Tri_X for price. I love Tri-X but these days I'm really loving Kentmere and it seems to be quite a bit less expensive in bulk. Depends on how many exposures come out of a 100' roll though. Mark On 7/19/2013 8:04 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: 18-19 rolls according to one comment. Tri-X is $70 for 100ft in bulk. You can buy 36 exposure rolls of Tri-X for $6. So, total savings is somewhere around $40 over factory issued rolls. Interesting. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:46 PM, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: As long as you keep the bulk roll balance in a cool place, no problems. If in the fridge, don't forget to let it warm up and lose any condensation before transferring to the canister. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark C Sent: Saturday, 20 July 2013 9:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Bulk Film Loading I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks - I will probably put it in a ziplock bag and leave it in my relatively cool basement. Maybe dole out 5 rolls at a time or something like that. On 7/19/2013 7:46 PM, John Coyle wrote: As long as you keep the bulk roll balance in a cool place, no problems. If in the fridge, don't forget to let it warm up and lose any condensation before transferring to the canister. HTH John Coyle Brisbane, Australia -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark C Sent: Saturday, 20 July 2013 9:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Bulk Film Loading I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, George - that is what I was hoping I could do. Mark On 7/19/2013 7:36 PM, George Sinos wrote: Just load them as you need them. It'll be fine. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks for that advice - I was starting to get tempted to see if I could load up a canister with more than 36 exposures. But then - who needs to take more than 36 shots at any one time? :-) Mark On 7/19/2013 7:45 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Resist any temptation to load more than 36 exposures. It will scratch the film unless you are using an ultra thin film such as HW Control Pan film. I had better luck with metal canisters with a snap on end than the plastic canisters with a screw on end. Jeffery On Jul 19, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had not thought about it but being able to customize the number of frames per roll would be nice to do - thanks for the advice about how to store the loaded loader as well. On 7/19/2013 7:40 PM, Darren Addy wrote: It has been a long time since I have done bulk loading. Bulk loaders are so cheap right now, that one could have several with a different kind of film in each (assuming one shoots more than one kind of film). No need to bulk load the entire roll in one session. To do that you would need a pretty big supply of reloadable canisters. Obviously, the more exposures you put in one canister the fewer you need (and the fewer frames lost to waste), but one of the advantages of bulk loading is that you can make 12 exposure rolls (if you like). Less time with film waiting in the camera for exposures to finish a roll (as often happens with longer rolls). Dust is your enemy. I'd suggest keeping the bulk loader in a gallon zip-lock baggie with a packet of silica gel. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Back in the day... I loaded a half-dozen rolls at a time, and had no problems. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW - Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 7:32 PM Subject: Bulk Film Loading I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The one I've got is like a bake-lite box with a compartment the big roll goes in a smaller compartment the cartridge goes in. There's a slot in the loader with a felt wiper similar to the slot on the film cartridges, so all that gets exposed is the leader you attach to the cartridge the leader you leave out to attach to the take up in the camera. You get a little bit of waste film on each end of the cartridge, but how much you save depends on how much you're paying for the bulk film how hard it is to find that film in factory loaded cartridges. Half my refrigerator is taken up right now with bulk loaded cartridges, a bulk loader bulk rolls of film. And I didn't pay a penny for any of it. Someone who made the decision to go completely digital never shoot film again gave it to me. The other half is factory loaded cartridges, 120 film 4x5 sheet film ... plus several boxes of BW paper in various sizes. At the rate I'm using it, some of it will still be in there when I die. But that's still better than just chucking it into the landfill. On 7/19/2013 7:44 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: I'm curious. You can load the rolls in daylight without a changing bag? How much money do you think you are saving over regular rolls? On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: It has been a long time since I have done bulk loading. Bulk loaders are so cheap right now, that one could have several with a different kind of film in each (assuming one shoots more than one kind of film). No need to bulk load the entire roll in one session. To do that you would need a pretty big supply of reloadable canisters. Obviously, the more exposures you put in one canister the fewer you need (and the fewer frames lost to waste), but one of the advantages of bulk loading is that you can make 12 exposure rolls (if you like). Less time with film waiting in the camera for exposures to finish a roll (as often happens with longer rolls). Dust is your enemy. I'd suggest keeping the bulk loader in a gallon zip-lock baggie with a packet of silica gel. On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm amazed to hear that so many are still shooting a lot of film. There are so few photo-labs left in SA now, in fact only in the big cities nothing in the platteland. If I shoot a film, I have to use the postal service now - no more 1 hour service. I thought about developing my own negs again but the idea passed after a couple of beers. Yonks ago I used to buy long strips of 35mm BW film from a reporter friend of mine and manually load them into re-cycled cannisters in his darkroom. I wound it in to the limit - usually about 50 exp. I thought the scratched negs were due to bad handling! Alan C -Original Message- From: Mark C Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 3:33 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Bulk Film Loading Thanks for that advice - I was starting to get tempted to see if I could load up a canister with more than 36 exposures. But then - who needs to take more than 36 shots at any one time? :-) Mark On 7/19/2013 7:45 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Resist any temptation to load more than 36 exposures. It will scratch the film unless you are using an ultra thin film such as HW Control Pan film. I had better luck with metal canisters with a snap on end than the plastic canisters with a screw on end. Jeffery On Jul 19, 2013, at 6:32 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote: I've been shooting a bit of 35mm BW these days and finally broke down and bought a daylight loader for bulk rolls and some reloadable canisters. I'm sure someone here has done or does do the bulk film loading thing... Question that I'm wondering about - is there any problem with just putting the 100 foot roll into the loader and then filling canisters as needed, or is there a reason why you should load up the whole bulk roll in one session? Although I do shoot a fair amount of film it would take a month or two to use up the approximately 20 rolls I'd get out of a 100 foot roll.. Is it OK to just load up a few canisters as needed, which means the bulk roll would be stored in the loader, or should I load it all up at once? TIA - Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, gang Devaluation is becoming killer, and film is becoming unbuyable ... Too bad, as most of what's happening to Argentina right now. Wish you come out of it soon. What I'm searching now is advice on how to load the cartridges, brands of cartridges, etc, etc. ... Cheapes solution is simply to ransack minilabs for used cartridges. They just pull the film out and cut it a cm. or two before the cartridge. Tape the bulk film to the remaining piece of the original one. Do not use the cartridge more than one or two times. If you're lucky you can get them for the most used sensitivity and you'll be able to use a DX equipped camere without hassles. PS: Color film comes in bulk too? ... Yep. Even Provia 100F slides and some more but it's not as common as BW. Ciao, Flavio - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bulk Film loading HELP !!!!!!
Hi Albano, I have a definite answer for you ;-) Although you can buy plastic or metal openable film crtridge, it's expensive and not ideal. What's best is to get to a nearby lab, and politely request a search trough their cartridge trash bin. Find enough cartridges of the ISO you need (so DX coding will work), and get only those who look ok (I mean they aren't dirty or whatever, check the film gate too, for sand, dirt,...). Get a bunch of them, they come FREE :) You see, these cartridges from lab developed films have the part of the film still sticking out, where they were cut by the lab. You can easily with little sticky tape attach the film from the bulk loader, close the loader and wind away. I and all my college photographer friends (and just about everybody who saves on film, which can be really high cost with really low profits from it, even some of my pro friends) use this procedure. I throw the cartridges out then, as there is always enough of them in the pro lab I have my colour work developed. You could reuse them instead, whatever. I mark the cartridges with a sticker to remind me they are NOT C41 and to develop them myself (BW). Also, I choose cartridges of films who are more likely to be used in the studio, like Portra, than some Kodag Gold or some other snapshooter's film which might have been to hell and back in the wallet all dirty. Check with some movie supplier companies you can sometimes get nice BW emulsions from them in really long rolls (120m) for better price than if you bought the equivalent 4x30.5m from a photo supplier. HTH Frantisek P.S.: it's sad what happened in your country. I guess it comes with letting the IMF run things. I hope and wish you things will get better! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Bulk Film loading HELP !!!!!!
Hi, gang Devaluation is becoming killer, and film is becoming unbuyable (quadruplicated price in just three months, but incomes remains the same). I make some research and it seems bulk film is the key, costing about half than packaged rolls. I'll put a sort of cooperative (don't worry, I'm not a commie) with my friends (all of them photographers), to buy in this way and be able to keep shooting. What I'm searching now is advice on how to load the cartridges, brands of cartridges, etc, etc. All help, links, etc will be appreciated Thanks in advance Albano PS: Color film comes in bulk too? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Bulk Film loading HELP !!!!!!
We don't care if you're commie, just as long as you don't use C or N equipment. :) At 05:44 PM 3/26/2002 -0300, you wrote: Hi, gang Devaluation is becoming killer, and film is becoming unbuyable (quadruplicated price in just three months, but incomes remains the same). I make some research and it seems bulk film is the key, costing about half than packaged rolls. I'll put a sort of cooperative (don't worry, I'm not a commie) with my friends (all of them photographers), to buy in this way and be able to keep shooting. What I'm searching now is advice on how to load the cartridges, brands of cartridges, etc, etc. All help, links, etc will be appreciated Thanks in advance Albano PS: Color film comes in bulk too? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
