RE: How do I correct an old image like this?

[jcoyle]

Nice spec!


John in Brisbane



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> On Oct 3, 2021, at 10:17 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Oct 03, 2021 at 07:32:51PM -0400, John wrote:
>> I think it's something you should be able to fix during the scan.
>> 
>> I use Vuescan. I have version 9 x64 (9.6.24) and it has tools to do 
>> the color correction during the scan.
>> 
>> https://www.hamrick.com/
>> 
>> I highly recommend it. Once you pay for it, you get "free" updates 
>> for life (I'm guessing HIS lifetime).
> 
> I suspect it's whichever of his and your lifetimes runs out first ...
> (unless you've got some way of requesting updates from beyond the 
> grave)

There’s an RFC for TCP via Avian carrier
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[John]

On 10/4/2021 01:17:00, John Francis wrote:

On Sun, Oct 03, 2021 at 07:32:51PM -0400, John wrote:

I think it's something you should be able to fix during the scan.

I use Vuescan. I have version 9 x64 (9.6.24) and it has tools to do the
color correction during the scan.

https://www.hamrick.com/

I highly recommend it. Once you pay for it, you get "free" updates for life
(I'm guessing HIS lifetime).




I suspect it's whichever of his and your lifetimes runs out first ...
(unless you've got some way of requesting updates from beyond the grave)


If I outlive him it might be a problem for me, otherwise it's someone else's 
problem.


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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Larry Colen]

> On Oct 3, 2021, at 10:17 PM, John Francis  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Oct 03, 2021 at 07:32:51PM -0400, John wrote:
>> I think it's something you should be able to fix during the scan.
>> 
>> I use Vuescan. I have version 9 x64 (9.6.24) and it has tools to do the
>> color correction during the scan.
>> 
>> https://www.hamrick.com/
>> 
>> I highly recommend it. Once you pay for it, you get "free" updates for life
>> (I'm guessing HIS lifetime).
> 
> I suspect it's whichever of his and your lifetimes runs out first ...
> (unless you've got some way of requesting updates from beyond the grave)

There’s an RFC for TCP via Avian carrier 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1149

Why not TCPIP via Ouija board?


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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[John Francis]

On Sun, Oct 03, 2021 at 07:32:51PM -0400, John wrote:
> I think it's something you should be able to fix during the scan.
> 
> I use Vuescan. I have version 9 x64 (9.6.24) and it has tools to do the
> color correction during the scan.
> 
> https://www.hamrick.com/
> 
> I highly recommend it. Once you pay for it, you get "free" updates for life
> (I'm guessing HIS lifetime).

I suspect it's whichever of his and your lifetimes runs out first ...
(unless you've got some way of requesting updates from beyond the grave)
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Mark C]

When I was trying to restore old photos a while back there were several 
where it looked like one color faded much more severely than the others 
which would throw off the whole color balance. The only solution as to 
manually boost the color that was out of wack. But I was working with 
prints, not negatives.


Have fun!

On 10/3/2021 7:24 PM, Gonz wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thanks for taking a shot at it!  That's probably really close.  The
stair color was "aqua". I don't know if anything there was gray.  But
your skin tones look pretty spot on.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 3:23 PM Mark C  wrote:

Hi Gonz -

I pulled your photo into Photoshop CS6, cropped out the margins and then
applied auto colors. After that, slightly darkened the midtones in
levels. The result:

https://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/old-photo-touchup?blog=9

It's hard to judge the colors - skin tones, the wooden chair back, the
wooden picture frames look OK and the ceiling in the upper right is
white, which seems logical. If there was something in the image that I
knew was gray I'd open levels and click on it with the midtone
eyedropper. That usually helps restore color balance.

I inherited a bunch of very old faded prints a few years ago, and it was
amaze how much info would pop out of them just using auto color.

Mark

On 9/30/2021 11:52 AM, Gonz wrote:

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/



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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[John]

Up at the top of the stairs you can see door frames, and they appear to be 
painted white. They might serve as a "neutral color" to allow you to correct the 
rest of the colors.


On 10/3/2021 19:24:30, Gonz wrote:

Hi Mark,

Thanks for taking a shot at it!  That's probably really close.  The
stair color was "aqua". I don't know if anything there was gray.  But
your skin tones look pretty spot on.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 3:23 PM Mark C  wrote:


Hi Gonz -

I pulled your photo into Photoshop CS6, cropped out the margins and then
applied auto colors. After that, slightly darkened the midtones in
levels. The result:

https://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/old-photo-touchup?blog=9

It's hard to judge the colors - skin tones, the wooden chair back, the
wooden picture frames look OK and the ceiling in the upper right is
white, which seems logical. If there was something in the image that I
knew was gray I'd open levels and click on it with the midtone
eyedropper. That usually helps restore color balance.

I inherited a bunch of very old faded prints a few years ago, and it was
amaze how much info would pop out of them just using auto color.

Mark

On 9/30/2021 11:52 AM, Gonz wrote:

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/






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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[John]

In the background there's something "black" sitting on the counter. It's 
probably a toaster & was actually chrome. I think y'all could get to color 
rendition closer if you chose something in the black area (not the reflected 
flash) and set that as the neutral tone.


The negative is Kodak SAFETY FILM with the number 12518 printed along the edge. 
I've been searching to see if I can identify the film from that. No luck so far.


SWAG: IF it was 1968, the film might be Kodacolor X in 127 or 126 format. That 
was Kodak's color negative film from 1963-1975


But I still think the major color correction (for fading & shift) should be 
available during the scan.




On 10/1/2021 17:39:58, ann sanfedele wrote:
OK I played with the one John Coyle did and reversed it to the correct 
orientation, worked on getting the aqua which gave the shirts they were all wearing
a bit more believable a color.. but working with a print screen low res image I 
couldn't do much ..


I work kinda free hand  don't record every tweak.. just go back and forth until 
I see what I guessed would be closest to the original color.


https://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff-to-show-PDML-for-various/n-vWHWf/i-pPnjDZK/A

IT is fun doing this

ann

On 10/1/2021 5:06 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
YEah I mentioned powder blue or aqua  before I read this.. which you have not 
seen yet :-)

makes me ant to fiddle  again .. with the one JOhn C did I think



On 10/1/2021 4:17 PM, Gonz wrote:

More like "aquaish"


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 3:16 PM Gonz  wrote:

The stairs/wall were a light shade of blue.  The year was approximately 1968.


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:21 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

ok Gonz so please do tell us (or at least me, maybe no one else cares)
when the photo was taken and what color were the walls IRL ?
the photo was taken with a flash, yes?

ann



On 10/1/2021 3:13 PM, Gonz wrote:

My scanner is an epson 4990. I guess I need to figure out how to get a
better scan first!  I did try to use some of the "advanced" features,
but obviously too low rez.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:37 AM wrote:
Hi Gonz - from your low-res Flickr image, I used the following process in 
PS:

Auto Tone
Auto Colour
Auto Contrast
Image Adjustments:
Brightness reduced
Contrast +10%
Shadows/Highlights:
Mid-Tones +15%

And then resized it to 300dpi
The result is at
www.epraxisdata.com/Img002_adjusted.jpg

not brilliant, but perhaps it would work better on a decent scan.


John in Brisbane








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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[John]

I think it's something you should be able to fix during the scan.

I use Vuescan. I have version 9 x64 (9.6.24) and it has tools to do the color 
correction during the scan.


https://www.hamrick.com/

I highly recommend it. Once you pay for it, you get "free" updates for life (I'm 
guessing HIS lifetime).


It's up to version 9.7 but I haven't been scanning much lately, and hadn't 
bothered to check for the latest update.


On 9/30/2021 11:52:06, Gonz wrote:

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/





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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Gonz]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for taking a shot at it!  That's probably really close.  The
stair color was "aqua". I don't know if anything there was gray.  But
your skin tones look pretty spot on.

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 3:23 PM Mark C  wrote:
>
> Hi Gonz -
>
> I pulled your photo into Photoshop CS6, cropped out the margins and then
> applied auto colors. After that, slightly darkened the midtones in
> levels. The result:
>
> https://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/old-photo-touchup?blog=9
>
> It's hard to judge the colors - skin tones, the wooden chair back, the
> wooden picture frames look OK and the ceiling in the upper right is
> white, which seems logical. If there was something in the image that I
> knew was gray I'd open levels and click on it with the midtone
> eyedropper. That usually helps restore color balance.
>
> I inherited a bunch of very old faded prints a few years ago, and it was
> amaze how much info would pop out of them just using auto color.
>
> Mark
>
> On 9/30/2021 11:52 AM, Gonz wrote:
> > Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
> > seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
> > it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
> > like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> >
> >
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[ann sanfedele]

Mark - Gonz said the walls were aqua...  I fiddled with my take until I 
got an aqua wall ..
whiich I link again here just to point out that I took a screen shot of 
Godder's work because he had flipped the picture to get

the correct view but lost clarity by messing with it too much..

https://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff-to-show-PDML-for-various/n-vWHWf/i-pPnjDZK/A

On 10/3/2021 4:23 PM, Mark C wrote:

Hi Gonz -

I pulled your photo into Photoshop CS6, cropped out the margins and 
then applied auto colors. After that, slightly darkened the midtones 
in levels. The result:


https://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/old-photo-touchup?blog=9 



It's hard to judge the colors - skin tones, the wooden chair back, the 
wooden picture frames look OK and the ceiling in the upper right is 
white, which seems logical. If there was something in the image that I 
knew was gray I'd open levels and click on it with the midtone 
eyedropper. That usually helps restore color balance.


I inherited a bunch of very old faded prints a few years ago, and it 
was amaze how much info would pop out of them just using auto color.


Mark

On 9/30/2021 11:52 AM, Gonz wrote:


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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Mark C]

Hi Gonz -

I pulled your photo into Photoshop CS6, cropped out the margins and then 
applied auto colors. After that, slightly darkened the midtones in 
levels. The result:


https://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/old-photo-touchup?blog=9

It's hard to judge the colors - skin tones, the wooden chair back, the 
wooden picture frames look OK and the ceiling in the upper right is 
white, which seems logical. If there was something in the image that I 
knew was gray I'd open levels and click on it with the midtone 
eyedropper. That usually helps restore color balance.


I inherited a bunch of very old faded prints a few years ago, and it was 
amaze how much info would pop out of them just using auto color.


Mark

On 9/30/2021 11:52 AM, Gonz wrote:

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/



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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Steve Cottrell]

Gonz - some more mgic for you mate. My take:

http://www.seeingeye.tv/pages/spare.html

Cot



On 1 Oct 2021, at 20:10, Gonz  wrote:

Man you guys are wizards.  I haven't a clue as to how to perform this
kind of magic.
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Hmm. I get excellent scans out of both my Epson scanners with Vuescan. The 
Epson software has a couple of other things it does well and I use it for 
those, but for the best image quality when scanning transparencies or negatives 
I always use Vuescan. 

In the end, whatever works best for you is all that matters... :)

G


> On Oct 1, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> In my experience the Epson software is far superior to Vuescan on an Epson 
> flatbed. I get perfect scans with Rpson software on an Epson 850P. Same was 
> true of earlier Epson flatbeds I own. I found it impossible to get good scans 
> with Vuescan due to the clunkiness of its controls,
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
>> 
>> Am 01.10.21 um 21:13 schrieb Gonz:
>>> My scanner is an epson 4990.
>> 
>> Nothing wrong with that. You might want to try the demo version of Vuescan:
>> 
>> http://www.hamrick.com
>> 
>> Ralf
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[Paul Stenquist]

In my experience the Epson software is far superior to Vuescan on an Epson 
flatbed. I get perfect scans with Rpson software on an Epson 850P. Same was 
true of earlier Epson flatbeds I own. I found it impossible to get good scans 
with Vuescan due to the clunkiness of its controls,

Paul

> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 01.10.21 um 21:13 schrieb Gonz:
>> My scanner is an epson 4990.
> 
> Nothing wrong with that. You might want to try the demo version of Vuescan:
> 
> http://www.hamrick.com
> 
> Ralf
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RE: How do I correct an old image like this?

[jcoyle]

I tend to agree with Paul - I've used VueScan for donkey's years, on a number 
of scanners, and still am not entirely comfortable with the interface.  I 
prefer to deal, for example,  with dust spots post the scan, but VueScan has a 
tool to do them during the scan: this often leads to a softer image than I 
would want. The Epson software is good (Perfection V500 with all updates).


John in Brisbane


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In my experience the Epson software is far superior to Vuescan on an Epson 
flatbed. I get perfect scans with Rpson software on an Epson 850P. Same was 
true of earlier Epson flatbeds I own. I found it impossible to get good scans 
with Vuescan due to the clunkiness of its controls,

Paul

> On Oct 1, 2021, at 4:01 PM, Ralf R Radermacher  wrote:
> 
> Am 01.10.21 um 21:13 schrieb Gonz:
>> My scanner is an epson 4990.
> 
> Nothing wrong with that. You might want to try the demo version of Vuescan:
> 
> http://www.hamrick.com
> 
> Ralf
> 
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks Gonz! 

That suggests to me that my 2nd and 3rd renderings are reasonably close to 
accurate, given the flash and the corner-edge darkening/color shifting. Whether 
the most pleasing rendering … LOL! not my job. :)

This kind of stuff is a little tricky, but nothing that a bit of time and 
effort can't make fun. 

G


> On Oct 1, 2021, at 1:17 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> More like "aquaish"
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 3:16 PM Gonz  wrote:
>> 
>> The stairs/wall were a light shade of blue.  The year was approximately 1968.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:21 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ok Gonz so please do tell us (or at least me, maybe no one else cares)
>>> when the photo was taken and what color were the walls IRL ?
>>> the photo was taken with a flash, yes?
>>> 
>>> ann
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[ann sanfedele]

OK I played with the one John Coyle did and reversed it to the correct 
orientation, worked on getting the aqua which gave the shirts they were 
all wearing
a bit more believable a color.. but working with a print screen low res 
image I couldn't do much ..


I work kinda free hand  don't record every tweak.. just go back and 
forth until I see what I guessed would be closest to the original color.


https://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff-to-show-PDML-for-various/n-vWHWf/i-pPnjDZK/A

IT is fun doing this

ann

On 10/1/2021 5:06 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
YEah I mentioned powder blue or aqua  before I read this.. which you 
have not seen yet :-)

makes me ant to fiddle  again .. with the one JOhn C did I think



On 10/1/2021 4:17 PM, Gonz wrote:

More like "aquaish"


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 3:16 PM Gonz  wrote:
The stairs/wall were a light shade of blue.  The year was 
approximately 1968.



On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:21 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

ok Gonz so please do tell us (or at least me, maybe no one else cares)
when the photo was taken and what color were the walls IRL ?
the photo was taken with a flash, yes?

ann



On 10/1/2021 3:13 PM, Gonz wrote:
My scanner is an epson 4990. I guess I need to figure out how to 
get a

better scan first!  I did try to use some of the "advanced" features,
but obviously too low rez.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:37 AM wrote:
Hi Gonz - from your low-res Flickr image, I used the following 
process in PS:

Auto Tone
Auto Colour
Auto Contrast
Image Adjustments:
Brightness reduced
Contrast +10%
Shadows/Highlights:
Mid-Tones +15%

And then resized it to 300dpi
The result is at
www.epraxisdata.com/Img002_adjusted.jpg

not brilliant, but perhaps it would work better on a decent scan.


John in Brisbane





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Subject: How do I correct an old image like this?

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but 
cant seem to get it to look decent.  There is not
enough dynamic range here it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere 
where they make old photos like this pop out almost to

new.  How does this work?

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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[ann sanfedele]

YEah I mentioned powder blue or aqua  before I read this.. which you 
have not seen yet :-)

makes me ant to fiddle  again .. with the one JOhn C did I think



On 10/1/2021 4:17 PM, Gonz wrote:

More like "aquaish"


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 3:16 PM Gonz  wrote:

The stairs/wall were a light shade of blue.  The year was approximately 1968.


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:21 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

ok Gonz so please do tell us (or at least me, maybe no one else cares)
when the photo was taken and what color were the walls IRL ?
the photo was taken with a flash, yes?

ann



On 10/1/2021 3:13 PM, Gonz wrote:

My scanner is an epson 4990. I guess I need to figure out how to get a
better scan first!  I did try to use some of the "advanced" features,
but obviously too low rez.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:37 AM  wrote:

Hi Gonz - from your low-res Flickr image, I used the following process in PS:
Auto Tone
Auto Colour
Auto Contrast
Image Adjustments:
Brightness reduced
Contrast +10%
Shadows/Highlights:
Mid-Tones +15%

And then resized it to 300dpi
The result is at
www.epraxisdata.com/Img002_adjusted.jpg

not brilliant, but perhaps it would work better on a decent scan.


John in Brisbane





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Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant seem to 
get it to look decent.  There is not
enough dynamic range here it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they 
make old photos like this pop out almost to
new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/


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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[ann sanfedele]

ah  I knew it couldn't be that ugly gray that it became in some of the 
renditions..

Powder blue and aqua were popular back then..



On 10/1/2021 4:16 PM, Gonz wrote:

The stairs/wall were a light shade of blue.  The year was approximately 1968.


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:21 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:

ok Gonz so please do tell us (or at least me, maybe no one else cares)
when the photo was taken and what color were the walls IRL ?
the photo was taken with a flash, yes?

ann



On 10/1/2021 3:13 PM, Gonz wrote:

My scanner is an epson 4990. I guess I need to figure out how to get a
better scan first!  I did try to use some of the "advanced" features,
but obviously too low rez.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:37 AM  wrote:

Hi Gonz - from your low-res Flickr image, I used the following process in PS:
Auto Tone
Auto Colour
Auto Contrast
Image Adjustments:
Brightness reduced
Contrast +10%
Shadows/Highlights:
Mid-Tones +15%

And then resized it to 300dpi
The result is at
www.epraxisdata.com/Img002_adjusted.jpg

not brilliant, but perhaps it would work better on a decent scan.


John in Brisbane





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Subject: How do I correct an old image like this?

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant seem to 
get it to look decent.  There is not
enough dynamic range here it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they 
make old photos like this pop out almost to
new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/


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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Gonz]

More like "aquaish"


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 3:16 PM Gonz  wrote:
>
> The stairs/wall were a light shade of blue.  The year was approximately 1968.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:21 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:
> >
> > ok Gonz so please do tell us (or at least me, maybe no one else cares)
> > when the photo was taken and what color were the walls IRL ?
> > the photo was taken with a flash, yes?
> >
> > ann
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/1/2021 3:13 PM, Gonz wrote:
> > > My scanner is an epson 4990. I guess I need to figure out how to get a
> > > better scan first!  I did try to use some of the "advanced" features,
> > > but obviously too low rez.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:37 AM  wrote:
> > >> Hi Gonz - from your low-res Flickr image, I used the following process 
> > >> in PS:
> > >> Auto Tone
> > >> Auto Colour
> > >> Auto Contrast
> > >> Image Adjustments:
> > >> Brightness reduced
> > >> Contrast +10%
> > >> Shadows/Highlights:
> > >> Mid-Tones +15%
> > >>
> > >> And then resized it to 300dpi
> > >> The result is at
> > >> www.epraxisdata.com/Img002_adjusted.jpg
> > >>
> > >> not brilliant, but perhaps it would work better on a decent scan.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> John in Brisbane
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: Gonz 
> > >> Sent: Friday, 1 October 2021 1:52 AM
> > >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> > >> Subject: How do I correct an old image like this?
> > >>
> > >> Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant 
> > >> seem to get it to look decent.  There is not
> > >> enough dynamic range here it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where 
> > >> they make old photos like this pop out almost to
> > >> new.  How does this work?
> > >>
> > >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Gonz]

The stairs/wall were a light shade of blue.  The year was approximately 1968.


On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:21 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:
>
> ok Gonz so please do tell us (or at least me, maybe no one else cares)
> when the photo was taken and what color were the walls IRL ?
> the photo was taken with a flash, yes?
>
> ann
>
>
>
> On 10/1/2021 3:13 PM, Gonz wrote:
> > My scanner is an epson 4990. I guess I need to figure out how to get a
> > better scan first!  I did try to use some of the "advanced" features,
> > but obviously too low rez.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:37 AM  wrote:
> >> Hi Gonz - from your low-res Flickr image, I used the following process in 
> >> PS:
> >> Auto Tone
> >> Auto Colour
> >> Auto Contrast
> >> Image Adjustments:
> >> Brightness reduced
> >> Contrast +10%
> >> Shadows/Highlights:
> >> Mid-Tones +15%
> >>
> >> And then resized it to 300dpi
> >> The result is at
> >> www.epraxisdata.com/Img002_adjusted.jpg
> >>
> >> not brilliant, but perhaps it would work better on a decent scan.
> >>
> >>
> >> John in Brisbane
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Gonz 
> >> Sent: Friday, 1 October 2021 1:52 AM
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> Subject: How do I correct an old image like this?
> >>
> >> Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant 
> >> seem to get it to look decent.  There is not
> >> enough dynamic range here it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where 
> >> they make old photos like this pop out almost to
> >> new.  How does this work?
> >>
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> >>
> >>
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 01.10.21 um 21:13 schrieb Gonz:

My scanner is an epson 4990.


Nothing wrong with that. You might want to try the demo version of Vuescan:

http://www.hamrick.com

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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

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ok Gonz so please do tell us (or at least me, maybe no one else cares) 
when the photo was taken and what color were the walls IRL ?

the photo was taken with a flash, yes?

ann



On 10/1/2021 3:13 PM, Gonz wrote:

My scanner is an epson 4990. I guess I need to figure out how to get a
better scan first!  I did try to use some of the "advanced" features,
but obviously too low rez.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:37 AM  wrote:

Hi Gonz - from your low-res Flickr image, I used the following process in PS:
Auto Tone
Auto Colour
Auto Contrast
Image Adjustments:
Brightness reduced
Contrast +10%
Shadows/Highlights:
Mid-Tones +15%

And then resized it to 300dpi
The result is at
www.epraxisdata.com/Img002_adjusted.jpg

not brilliant, but perhaps it would work better on a decent scan.


John in Brisbane





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Subject: How do I correct an old image like this?

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant seem to 
get it to look decent.  There is not
enough dynamic range here it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they 
make old photos like this pop out almost to
new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/


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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Gonz]

My scanner is an epson 4990. I guess I need to figure out how to get a
better scan first!  I did try to use some of the "advanced" features,
but obviously too low rez.

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 2:37 AM  wrote:
>
> Hi Gonz - from your low-res Flickr image, I used the following process in PS:
> Auto Tone
> Auto Colour
> Auto Contrast
> Image Adjustments:
> Brightness reduced
> Contrast +10%
> Shadows/Highlights:
> Mid-Tones +15%
>
> And then resized it to 300dpi
> The result is at
> www.epraxisdata.com/Img002_adjusted.jpg
>
> not brilliant, but perhaps it would work better on a decent scan.
>
>
> John in Brisbane
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gonz 
> Sent: Friday, 1 October 2021 1:52 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: How do I correct an old image like this?
>
> Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant seem 
> to get it to look decent.  There is not
> enough dynamic range here it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they 
> make old photos like this pop out almost to
> new.  How does this work?
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
>
>
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Gonz]

Man you guys are wizards.  I haven't a clue as to how to perform this
kind of magic.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 9:02 PM ann sanfedele  wrote:
>
> Well I did a "print screen' of Godder's latest and took it a bit
> further  based solely on what I remember of popular interior decoration
> back in the day
> around the time I would guess this photo was taken.. "eggshell" or
> "off-white" would likely have been the wall color as opposed to gray...
> I just alternated adding red and green in little bits at a time in
> Photoshop elements to go for the wall color think it might have been.
>
> https://annsan.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff-to-show-PDML-for-various/n-vWHWf/i-9D55Tj7/A
>
> ann
>
> On 9/30/2021 9:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> > How you scanned it isn't particularly significant, although a holder will 
> > generally make the negative easier to handle and flatter if it's a good 
> > holder for the format.
> >
> > I played with the image a little further … Color balance and skin tones are 
> > always so fussy! Bumping up the color temperature to +31 and the tint to 
> > +22 gives more pleasing skin tones albeit at the expense of some increased 
> > magenta and violet overtones in the shadows. Not unpleasantly much, though: 
> > I'd go with this for the better skin tones, and then use the radial filter 
> > tool to desaturate and neutralize the corners and edges … thus:
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/xtQ432
> >
> > Doing this kind of image processing is fun. :)
> >
> > G
> >
> >> On Sep 30, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks, Godtrey, It looks a little closer to Dan's now.  I didn't have
> >> it on a holder, just flat on the scanner.  I'm going to try putting it
> >> on the holder, though its a very odd size that I don't remember my
> >> scanner having it.  I have a couple of medium format B's that I
> >> found in a book from the late 1800's that I want to try to recover as
> >> well.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:30 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  
> >> wrote:
> >>> Gonz,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> I'm at home now. I grabbed the original you posted into Lightroom 
> >>> Classic, cropped it, and applied corrections. I noticed that it was left 
> >>> to right reversed according to the rebate markings, so I flipped it 
> >>> horizontally. The result is a bit cooler than what I did on the iPhone 
> >>> with Snapseed, possibly a bit more 'neutral' to what the original print 
> >>> might have looked like … I captured it in the Develop module so you can 
> >>> see the curves and settings I used as a hint to future corrections of 
> >>> similar negatives.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/E4cPjb
> >>>
> >>> Better or worse .. I can't say. LOL!
> >>>
> >>> I do a lot of this, mostly with B negatives. The part that's hard with 
> >>> negative images is that when you invert them in LR, the controls mostly 
> >>> work inverted and they weren't meant to work that way … it becomes quite 
> >>> hard to execute fine control. So I often rough out approximate 
> >>> corrections, export to positive 16-bit TIFF files, import those, and do 
> >>> the finish editing on the positive images. Makes it a lot easier...
> >>>
> >>> enjoy!
> >>> G
> >>>
>  On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
>  That looks great, and more natural too.  I was having issues with
>  color cast and such.
> 
>  On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:28 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi
>   wrote:
> > Ten seconds with Snapseed using color balance and curves netted this 
> > from your thumbnail: https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/N777Kf
> >
> > —
> > G
> >
> >
> >
> > —
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> >> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> >>
> >> Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
> >> seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
> >> it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
> >> like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?
> >>
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> >>
> >>
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Paul Stenquist]

My take on Gonz’s scan. I set the black point and white point in levels. 
Tweaked the color balance to get the best skin tones, Increased saturation a 
bit to correct for some of the fading. Did a bit of burning and dodging, and 
that’s about it. Setting the levels was the most critical step in improving 
this pic.

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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant seem 
> to get it to look decent.  There is not
> enough dynamic range here it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they 
> make old photos like this pop out almost to
> new.  How does this work?
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> 
> 
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RE: How do I correct an old image like this?

[jcoyle]

Hi Gonz - from your low-res Flickr image, I used the following process in PS:
Auto Tone
Auto Colour
Auto Contrast
Image Adjustments:
Brightness reduced
Contrast +10%
Shadows/Highlights:
Mid-Tones +15%

And then resized it to 300dpi
The result is at 
www.epraxisdata.com/Img002_adjusted.jpg

not brilliant, but perhaps it would work better on a decent scan.


John in Brisbane





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Subject: How do I correct an old image like this?

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant seem to 
get it to look decent.  There is not
enough dynamic range here it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they 
make old photos like this pop out almost to
new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/


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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

How you scanned it isn't particularly significant, although a holder will 
generally make the negative easier to handle and flatter if it's a good holder 
for the format. 

I played with the image a little further … Color balance and skin tones are 
always so fussy! Bumping up the color temperature to +31 and the tint to +22 
gives more pleasing skin tones albeit at the expense of some increased magenta 
and violet overtones in the shadows. Not unpleasantly much, though: I'd go with 
this for the better skin tones, and then use the radial filter tool to 
desaturate and neutralize the corners and edges … thus:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/xtQ432

Doing this kind of image processing is fun. :)

G

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Godtrey, It looks a little closer to Dan's now.  I didn't have
> it on a holder, just flat on the scanner.  I'm going to try putting it
> on the holder, though its a very odd size that I don't remember my
> scanner having it.  I have a couple of medium format B's that I
> found in a book from the late 1800's that I want to try to recover as
> well.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:30 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  
> wrote:
>> 
>> Gonz,
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> I'm at home now. I grabbed the original you posted into Lightroom Classic, 
>> cropped it, and applied corrections. I noticed that it was left to right 
>> reversed according to the rebate markings, so I flipped it horizontally. The 
>> result is a bit cooler than what I did on the iPhone with Snapseed, possibly 
>> a bit more 'neutral' to what the original print might have looked like … I 
>> captured it in the Develop module so you can see the curves and settings I 
>> used as a hint to future corrections of similar negatives.
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/E4cPjb
>> 
>> Better or worse .. I can't say. LOL!
>> 
>> I do a lot of this, mostly with B negatives. The part that's hard with 
>> negative images is that when you invert them in LR, the controls mostly work 
>> inverted and they weren't meant to work that way … it becomes quite hard to 
>> execute fine control. So I often rough out approximate corrections, export 
>> to positive 16-bit TIFF files, import those, and do the finish editing on 
>> the positive images. Makes it a lot easier...
>> 
>> enjoy!
>> G
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Gonz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That looks great, and more natural too.  I was having issues with
>>> color cast and such.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:28 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi
>>>  wrote:
 
 Ten seconds with Snapseed using color balance and curves netted this from 
 your thumbnail: https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/N777Kf
 
 —
 G
 
 
 
 —
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> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
> seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
> it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
> like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> 
> 
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[ann sanfedele]

Well I did a "print screen' of Godder's latest and took it a bit 
further  based solely on what I remember of popular interior decoration 
back in the day
around the time I would guess this photo was taken.. "eggshell" or 
"off-white" would likely have been the wall color as opposed to gray...
I just alternated adding red and green in little bits at a time in 
Photoshop elements to go for the wall color think it might have been.


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On 9/30/2021 9:01 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

How you scanned it isn't particularly significant, although a holder will 
generally make the negative easier to handle and flatter if it's a good holder 
for the format.

I played with the image a little further … Color balance and skin tones are 
always so fussy! Bumping up the color temperature to +31 and the tint to +22 
gives more pleasing skin tones albeit at the expense of some increased magenta 
and violet overtones in the shadows. Not unpleasantly much, though: I'd go with 
this for the better skin tones, and then use the radial filter tool to 
desaturate and neutralize the corners and edges … thus:

https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/xtQ432

Doing this kind of image processing is fun. :)

G


On Sep 30, 2021, at 2:53 PM, Gonz  wrote:

Thanks, Godtrey, It looks a little closer to Dan's now.  I didn't have
it on a holder, just flat on the scanner.  I'm going to try putting it
on the holder, though its a very odd size that I don't remember my
scanner having it.  I have a couple of medium format B's that I
found in a book from the late 1800's that I want to try to recover as
well.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:30 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

Gonz,

Thanks!

I'm at home now. I grabbed the original you posted into Lightroom Classic, 
cropped it, and applied corrections. I noticed that it was left to right 
reversed according to the rebate markings, so I flipped it horizontally. The 
result is a bit cooler than what I did on the iPhone with Snapseed, possibly a 
bit more 'neutral' to what the original print might have looked like … I 
captured it in the Develop module so you can see the curves and settings I used 
as a hint to future corrections of similar negatives.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/E4cPjb

Better or worse .. I can't say. LOL!

I do a lot of this, mostly with B negatives. The part that's hard with 
negative images is that when you invert them in LR, the controls mostly work 
inverted and they weren't meant to work that way … it becomes quite hard to execute 
fine control. So I often rough out approximate corrections, export to positive 
16-bit TIFF files, import those, and do the finish editing on the positive images. 
Makes it a lot easier...

enjoy!
G


On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Gonz  wrote:

That looks great, and more natural too.  I was having issues with
color cast and such.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:28 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:

Ten seconds with Snapseed using color balance and curves netted this from your 
thumbnail: https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/N777Kf

—
G



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On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/


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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Gonz, 

Thanks!

I'm at home now. I grabbed the original you posted into Lightroom Classic, 
cropped it, and applied corrections. I noticed that it was left to right 
reversed according to the rebate markings, so I flipped it horizontally. The 
result is a bit cooler than what I did on the iPhone with Snapseed, possibly a 
bit more 'neutral' to what the original print might have looked like … I 
captured it in the Develop module so you can see the curves and settings I used 
as a hint to future corrections of similar negatives.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/E4cPjb

Better or worse .. I can't say. LOL! 

I do a lot of this, mostly with B negatives. The part that's hard with 
negative images is that when you invert them in LR, the controls mostly work 
inverted and they weren't meant to work that way … it becomes quite hard to 
execute fine control. So I often rough out approximate corrections, export to 
positive 16-bit TIFF files, import those, and do the finish editing on the 
positive images. Makes it a lot easier... 

enjoy!
G

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> That looks great, and more natural too.  I was having issues with
> color cast and such.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:28 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ten seconds with Snapseed using color balance and curves netted this from 
>> your thumbnail: https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/N777Kf
>> 
>> —
>> G
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> —
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408-431-4601
>>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Gonz  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
>>> seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
>>> it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
>>> like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?
>>> 
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[ann sanfedele]

GOnz .. were the walls really that color?  (the color in Godfrey's 
improvement frame...) I'm tempted to play with it too.. but

I shouldn't  - I"ve got stuff that needs to be done here

ann


On 9/30/2021 5:53 PM, Gonz wrote:

Thanks, Godtrey, It looks a little closer to Dan's now.  I didn't have
it on a holder, just flat on the scanner.  I'm going to try putting it
on the holder, though its a very odd size that I don't remember my
scanner having it.  I have a couple of medium format B's that I
found in a book from the late 1800's that I want to try to recover as
well.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:30 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:

Gonz,

Thanks!

I'm at home now. I grabbed the original you posted into Lightroom Classic, 
cropped it, and applied corrections. I noticed that it was left to right 
reversed according to the rebate markings, so I flipped it horizontally. The 
result is a bit cooler than what I did on the iPhone with Snapseed, possibly a 
bit more 'neutral' to what the original print might have looked like … I 
captured it in the Develop module so you can see the curves and settings I used 
as a hint to future corrections of similar negatives.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/E4cPjb

Better or worse .. I can't say. LOL!

I do a lot of this, mostly with B negatives. The part that's hard with 
negative images is that when you invert them in LR, the controls mostly work 
inverted and they weren't meant to work that way … it becomes quite hard to execute 
fine control. So I often rough out approximate corrections, export to positive 
16-bit TIFF files, import those, and do the finish editing on the positive images. 
Makes it a lot easier...

enjoy!
G


On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Gonz  wrote:

That looks great, and more natural too.  I was having issues with
color cast and such.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:28 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:

Ten seconds with Snapseed using color balance and curves netted this from your 
thumbnail: https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/N777Kf

—
G



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On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/


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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Gonz]

Thanks, Godtrey, It looks a little closer to Dan's now.  I didn't have
it on a holder, just flat on the scanner.  I'm going to try putting it
on the holder, though its a very odd size that I don't remember my
scanner having it.  I have a couple of medium format B's that I
found in a book from the late 1800's that I want to try to recover as
well.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:30 PM Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>
> Gonz,
>
> Thanks!
>
> I'm at home now. I grabbed the original you posted into Lightroom Classic, 
> cropped it, and applied corrections. I noticed that it was left to right 
> reversed according to the rebate markings, so I flipped it horizontally. The 
> result is a bit cooler than what I did on the iPhone with Snapseed, possibly 
> a bit more 'neutral' to what the original print might have looked like … I 
> captured it in the Develop module so you can see the curves and settings I 
> used as a hint to future corrections of similar negatives.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/E4cPjb
>
> Better or worse .. I can't say. LOL!
>
> I do a lot of this, mostly with B negatives. The part that's hard with 
> negative images is that when you invert them in LR, the controls mostly work 
> inverted and they weren't meant to work that way … it becomes quite hard to 
> execute fine control. So I often rough out approximate corrections, export to 
> positive 16-bit TIFF files, import those, and do the finish editing on the 
> positive images. Makes it a lot easier...
>
> enjoy!
> G
>
> > On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> >
> > That looks great, and more natural too.  I was having issues with
> > color cast and such.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:28 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> Ten seconds with Snapseed using color balance and curves netted this from 
> >> your thumbnail: https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/N777Kf
> >>
> >> —
> >> G
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> —
> >> Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408-431-4601
> >>> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
> >>> seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
> >>> it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
> >>> like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Ten seconds with Snapseed using color balance and curves netted this from your 
thumbnail: https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/N777Kf

—
G



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> On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
> seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
> it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
> like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> 
> 
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Not bad at all!

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wrote:

> Ten seconds with Snapseed using color balance and curves netted this from
> your thumbnail: https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/N777Kf
>
> —
> G
>
>
>
> —
> Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408-431-4601
> > On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> >
> > Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
> > seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
> > it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
> > like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> >
> >
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Gonz]

That looks great, and more natural too.  I was having issues with
color cast and such.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:28 AM Godfrey DiGiorgi
 wrote:
>
> Ten seconds with Snapseed using color balance and curves netted this from 
> your thumbnail: https://www.flickr.com/gp/gdgphoto/N777Kf
>
> —
> G
>
>
>
> —
> Godfrey DiGiorgi - godfreydigio...@me.com - 408-431-4601
> > On Sep 30, 2021, at 8:54 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> >
> > Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
> > seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
> > it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
> > like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?
> >
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> >
> >
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Re: How do I correct an old image like this?

[Paul Stenquist]

I’d begin by setting the black point and white point with PhotoShop’s Levels 
tool. Then I’d dodge and burn as necessary to provide further correction. Once 
I was satisfied with the range, I’d tweak the color using the Color Balance 
tool.

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> 
> Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
> seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
> it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
> like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/
> 
> 
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How do I correct an old image like this?

[Gonz]

Scanned an old negative.  Played around with the usual knobs, but cant
seem to get it to look decent.  There is not enough dynamic range here
it seems.  I've seen articles somewhere where they make old photos
like this pop out almost to new.  How does this work?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/51535604096/in/dateposted/


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