Re: IR Photography

2023-07-18 Thread Comcast
What Dave said. I was sorry to lose this capability when i sold the last of my 
*ist ds

Paul

> On Jul 18, 2023, at 1:14 PM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> I found my istD made for a great ir camera with the Hoya r72 filter
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 10:10 PM  wrote:
>> 
>> That's a very fine image, Ralf - I might try that myself.  My *ist-D has
>> been sitting on the shelf for most of the last seven years, it will be nice
>> to fire it up again.
>> 
>> 
>> John in Brisbane
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ralf R Radermacher 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:13 PM
>> To: pdml@pdml.net
>> Subject: Re: IR Photography
>> 
>>> Am 13.07.23 um 01:59 schrieb Larry Colen:
>>> 
>>> You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor
>> sees, either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the
>> little red dot that shows the IR focus point.
>> 
>> Maybe even a little beyond the red dot which is calibrated for an IR
>> wavelength of around 750 nm corresponding to the usual near-infrared film
>> stock like Ilford SFX200 or Konica 750. The infrared sensitivity of a DSLR
>> sensor extends way beyond that, well into the 800's, shifting the focus
>> point even more.
>> 
>> And don't try to step down beyond f8 to gain more DOF. Aperture
>> diffraction at IR sets in a lot sooner than with visible light.
>> 
>> I've been using a #87 gelatine filter on my unmodified *istDS. This filter
>> is almost completely impervious to visible light.
>> 
>> Here's an example:
>> 
>> https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101
>> 
>> Ralf
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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-18 Thread David J Brooks
I found my istD made for a great ir camera with the Hoya r72 filter

Dave

On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 10:10 PM  wrote:

> That's a very fine image, Ralf - I might try that myself.  My *ist-D has
> been sitting on the shelf for most of the last seven years, it will be nice
> to fire it up again.
>
>
> John in Brisbane
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ralf R Radermacher 
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:13 PM
> To: pdml@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: IR Photography
>
> Am 13.07.23 um 01:59 schrieb Larry Colen:
>
> > You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor
> sees, either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the
> little red dot that shows the IR focus point.
>
> Maybe even a little beyond the red dot which is calibrated for an IR
> wavelength of around 750 nm corresponding to the usual near-infrared film
> stock like Ilford SFX200 or Konica 750. The infrared sensitivity of a DSLR
> sensor extends way beyond that, well into the 800's, shifting the focus
> point even more.
>
> And don't try to step down beyond f8 to gain more DOF. Aperture
> diffraction at IR sets in a lot sooner than with visible light.
>
> I've been using a #87 gelatine filter on my unmodified *istDS. This filter
> is almost completely impervious to visible light.
>
> Here's an example:
>
> https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101
>
> Ralf
>
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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-14 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 14.07.23 um 04:09 schrieb jco...@iinet.net.au:

That's a very fine image, Ralf


Thanks. Here's a few more, some on film, some digital:

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2013/03/infrarot-3.html

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2013/02/infrarot-2.html

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2013/02/infrarot.html

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2009/08/hauptsache-man-macht-was-daraus.html

https://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com/2009/08/infrarot-digital.html

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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-13 Thread lrc
Unfortunately, you'll have some time. Things went sideways today and I wasn't 
able to cut or bring it.  There are smaller IR flash gels available from b et 
al
 But I wanted something I could use with my studio strobes. I hope to be back 
home around labor day.

On July 13, 2023 10:06:12 PM PDT, mike wilson  wrote:
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>> On 14/07/2023 01:29 Larry Colen  wrote:
>> Last night I had a chance to come home to get my miata, I was hoping to have 
>> time to cut it up into pieces to mail to anybody that might want some, 
>
>That's very generous of you.  I'll have a think about what I can afford 
>postage on.
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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-13 Thread mike wilson


> On 14/07/2023 01:29 Larry Colen  wrote:
> Last night I had a chance to come home to get my miata, I was hoping to have 
> time to cut it up into pieces to mail to anybody that might want some, 

That's very generous of you.  I'll have a think about what I can afford postage 
on.
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RE: IR Photography

2023-07-13 Thread jcoyle
That's a very fine image, Ralf - I might try that myself.  My *ist-D has been 
sitting on the shelf for most of the last seven years, it will be nice to fire 
it up again.


John in Brisbane



-Original Message-
From: Ralf R Radermacher  
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 6:13 PM
To: pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: IR Photography

Am 13.07.23 um 01:59 schrieb Larry Colen:

> You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
> either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little red 
> dot that shows the IR focus point.

Maybe even a little beyond the red dot which is calibrated for an IR wavelength 
of around 750 nm corresponding to the usual near-infrared film stock like 
Ilford SFX200 or Konica 750. The infrared sensitivity of a DSLR sensor extends 
way beyond that, well into the 800's, shifting the focus point even more.

And don't try to step down beyond f8 to gain more DOF. Aperture diffraction at 
IR sets in a lot sooner than with visible light.

I've been using a #87 gelatine filter on my unmodified *istDS. This filter is 
almost completely impervious to visible light.

Here's an example:

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101

Ralf

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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-13 Thread Larry Colen



https://www.eplastics.com/search?keywords=infrared

I bought a sheet of the above to make flash filters so that the flash would 
only transmit IR.

Last night I had a chance to come home to get my miata, I was hoping to have 
time to cut it up into pieces to mail to anybody that might want some, but 
things came up (Like needing to get a car smogged and registered) and I haven't 
even started packing and still have an 8 hour drive ahead of me.  If people are 
interested in some chunks, let me know and I'll see if I can cut a piece to 
carry back in my miata.  Otherwise it is a lot less expensive than the thin 
film filters.

It can be a lot of fun to use an IR strobe and photograph a scene where some of 
the elements, like a sign, are illuminated, then color balance out the IR 
magenta to black and white.

Some of my best shots are here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157659850152524/

more here

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/collections/72157606110993706/


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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-13 Thread John Sessoms
And if I ever have another camera converted, I'll go ahead and have the 
filter completely removed to give me a full-spectrum camera.


On 7/13/2023 5:03 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 13.07.23 um 10:22 schrieb Alan C:

I'll source a #87 filter
and give my dormant K110D a whirl as a dedicated IR camera.


The K110D should work. Basically everything before the K10D. Better
still, have its built-in IR filter removed.

Ralf




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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-13 Thread John Sessoms
I watched a video on InfraRed photography that emphasized the utility of 
shooting when the light is NOT so good; too hot, too harsh, to specular 
in the middle of the day.


Even before Covid, I was having problems getting out and shooting in the 
golden hours & IR looked like something I could do with the time when I 
WAS able to go out & shoot.


With digital you can get some kind of immediate feedback so it's not 
like shooting film. I hope it's going to complement my other 
photography, not replace it.


AND I think some of the apparent problem with the focus is the softness 
of in camera JPEG conversions. AND ALSO ... I'm at the very beginning of 
the learning curve.


Further, I've re-read the explanation about (665nm) IR. I now think it 
cuts off the color in the blue & green part of the spectrum leaving the 
spectrum ABOVE 665nm - oranges, reds & invisible InfraRed ...


Anyway, I'm still learning.

On 7/13/2023 2:53 AM, Alan C wrote:
Interesting. To me it is more of an art form than serious photography. 
Many moons ago I tried a couple of rolls of B/W IR film. Needed a 
special filter to block out visible light - made a slide on holder from 
thin cardboard. Exposures were around f8 from about 0.5 to 5 sec (pot 
luck!) which made a tripod mandatory - still have the very same tripod. 
Manual guesstimate timing on "B" with a cable release. Focusing was a 
nightmare because the filter was so dark I had to focus without the 
filter & then slide it in and adjust to the IR mark on my Supertak 55/2 
(which I still have!). Pity I didn't think of Larry's sticky tape astro 
method to lock the focus. Only 2 or 3 shots out of the 48 were even on 
the verge of acceptability so that was the end of my adventure.


Alan C

On 13-Jul-23 04:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jul 12, 2023, at 7:06 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:



On 7/12/2023 7:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Sessoms  
wrote:


I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.

Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd 
reset the default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make 
another test outing.
Yeah, that bit me when I took my K20 to burning man after having it 
repaired.  When I got home and started to process the photos I 
couldn't figure out why they wouldn't adjust properly.
First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if 
it's not bright sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY 
image unless I boost the ISO way high & use high exposure 
compensation.

So you have it blocking all visible light?
"IF" I understand what they did, they replaced the regular IR filter 
with another filter that passes IR below 665nm so that I get visible 
light PLUS the upper end of the IR spectrum ... ???
You *should* be able to get shots indoors just as you would with a 
standard camera.


IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in 
the middle of the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to 
photograph a field of sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.


I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems 
like everything is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out 
on the horizon.


I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?
You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the 
sensor sees, either that or manually focus based ton the distance 
scale and the little red dot that shows the IR focus point.  The 
autofocus system focuses for the visual spectrum, but IR focuses 
differently.

H? The K20D has live view?
Hmmm, that’s an issue.  Maybe take some test shots and look at the 
preview screen zoomed in.


If you photograph under LED or fluorescent light there should be no IR.


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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-13 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 13.07.23 um 10:22 schrieb Alan C:

I'll source a #87 filter
and give my dormant K110D a whirl as a dedicated IR camera.


The K110D should work. Basically everything before the K10D. Better
still, have its built-in IR filter removed.

Ralf

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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-13 Thread Alan C
That's an amazing image, Ralf. I feel inspired. I'll source a #87 filter 
and give my dormant K110D a whirl as a dedicated IR camera.


Alan C

On 13-Jul-23 10:12 AM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:

Am 13.07.23 um 01:59 schrieb Larry Colen:

You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor 
sees, either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and 
the little red dot that shows the IR focus point.


Maybe even a little beyond the red dot which is calibrated for an IR
wavelength of around 750 nm corresponding to the usual near-infrared
film stock like Ilford SFX200 or Konica 750. The infrared sensitivity of
a DSLR sensor extends way beyond that, well into the 800's, shifting the
focus point even more.

And don't try to step down beyond f8 to gain more DOF. Aperture
diffraction at IR sets in a lot sooner than with visible light.

I've been using a #87 gelatine filter on my unmodified *istDS. This
filter is almost completely impervious to visible light.

Here's an example:

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101

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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-13 Thread Ralf R Radermacher

Am 13.07.23 um 01:59 schrieb Larry Colen:


You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little red 
dot that shows the IR focus point.


Maybe even a little beyond the red dot which is calibrated for an IR
wavelength of around 750 nm corresponding to the usual near-infrared
film stock like Ilford SFX200 or Konica 750. The infrared sensitivity of
a DSLR sensor extends way beyond that, well into the 800's, shifting the
focus point even more.

And don't try to step down beyond f8 to gain more DOF. Aperture
diffraction at IR sets in a lot sooner than with visible light.

I've been using a #87 gelatine filter on my unmodified *istDS. This
filter is almost completely impervious to visible light.

Here's an example:

https://www.fotocommunity.com/photo/la-bistade-fotoralfbe/32223101

Ralf

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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-13 Thread Alan C
Interesting. To me it is more of an art form than serious photography. 
Many moons ago I tried a couple of rolls of B/W IR film. Needed a 
special filter to block out visible light - made a slide on holder from 
thin cardboard. Exposures were around f8 from about 0.5 to 5 sec (pot 
luck!) which made a tripod mandatory - still have the very same tripod. 
Manual guesstimate timing on "B" with a cable release. Focusing was a 
nightmare because the filter was so dark I had to focus without the 
filter & then slide it in and adjust to the IR mark on my Supertak 55/2 
(which I still have!). Pity I didn't think of Larry's sticky tape astro 
method to lock the focus. Only 2 or 3 shots out of the 48 were even on 
the verge of acceptability so that was the end of my adventure.


Alan C

On 13-Jul-23 04:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jul 12, 2023, at 7:06 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:



On 7/12/2023 7:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.

Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd reset the 
default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make another test outing.

Yeah, that bit me when I took my K20 to burning man after having it repaired.  
When I got home and started to process the photos I couldn't figure out why 
they wouldn't adjust properly.

First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if it's not bright 
sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY image unless I boost the ISO way 
high & use high exposure compensation.

So you have it blocking all visible light?

"IF" I understand what they did, they replaced the regular IR filter with 
another filter that passes IR below 665nm so that I get visible light PLUS the upper end 
of the IR spectrum ... ???

You *should* be able to get shots indoors just as you would with a standard 
camera.


IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in the middle of 
the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to photograph a field of 
sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.

I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems like everything 
is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out on the horizon.

I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?

You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little red 
dot that shows the IR focus point.  The autofocus system focuses for the visual 
spectrum, but IR focuses differently.

H? The K20D has live view?

Hmmm, that’s an issue.  Maybe take some test shots and look at the preview 
screen zoomed in.

If you photograph under LED or fluorescent light there should be no IR.


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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-12 Thread Larry Colen


> On Jul 12, 2023, at 7:06 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/12/2023 7:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.
>>> 
>>> Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd reset the 
>>> default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make another test outing.
>> Yeah, that bit me when I took my K20 to burning man after having it 
>> repaired.  When I got home and started to process the photos I couldn't 
>> figure out why they wouldn't adjust properly.
>>> 
>>> First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if it's not 
>>> bright sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY image unless I 
>>> boost the ISO way high & use high exposure compensation.
>> So you have it blocking all visible light?
> 
> "IF" I understand what they did, they replaced the regular IR filter with 
> another filter that passes IR below 665nm so that I get visible light PLUS 
> the upper end of the IR spectrum ... ???

You *should* be able to get shots indoors just as you would with a standard 
camera.  

> 
>>> 
>>> IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in the middle 
>>> of the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to photograph a field 
>>> of sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.
>>> 
>>> I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems like 
>>> everything is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out on the 
>>> horizon.
>>> 
>>> I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?
>> You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
>> either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little 
>> red dot that shows the IR focus point.  The autofocus system focuses for the 
>> visual spectrum, but IR focuses differently.
> 
> H? The K20D has live view?


Hmmm, that’s an issue.  Maybe take some test shots and look at the preview 
screen zoomed in.  

If you photograph under LED or fluorescent light there should be no IR.  

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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-12 Thread John Sessoms




On 7/12/2023 7:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:




On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:

I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.

Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd reset the 
default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make another test outing.


Yeah, that bit me when I took my K20 to burning man after having it repaired.  
When I got home and started to process the photos I couldn't figure out why 
they wouldn't adjust properly.



First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if it's not bright 
sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY image unless I boost the ISO way 
high & use high exposure compensation.


So you have it blocking all visible light?



"IF" I understand what they did, they replaced the regular IR filter 
with another filter that passes IR below 665nm so that I get visible 
light PLUS the upper end of the IR spectrum ... ???




IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in the middle of 
the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to photograph a field of 
sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.

I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems like everything 
is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out on the horizon.

I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?


You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little red 
dot that shows the IR focus point.  The autofocus system focuses for the visual 
spectrum, but IR focuses differently.



H? The K20D has live view?


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Re: IR Photography

2023-07-12 Thread Larry Colen



> On Jul 12, 2023, at 4:47 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> 
> I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.
> 
> Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd reset the 
> default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make another test outing.

Yeah, that bit me when I took my K20 to burning man after having it repaired.  
When I got home and started to process the photos I couldn't figure out why 
they wouldn't adjust properly.

> 
> First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if it's not 
> bright sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY image unless I 
> boost the ISO way high & use high exposure compensation.

So you have it blocking all visible light?

> 
> IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in the middle 
> of the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to photograph a field 
> of sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.
> 
> I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems like 
> everything is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out on the horizon.
> 
> I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?

You'll need to focus based on the live view, which is what the sensor sees, 
either that or manually focus based ton the distance scale and the little red 
dot that shows the IR focus point.  The autofocus system focuses for the visual 
spectrum, but IR focuses differently.

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IR Photography

2023-07-12 Thread John Sessoms

I had my K20D converted to Amplified Color (665nm) IR.

Had my first chance to test it out today. Didn't notice they'd reset the 
default output to JPEG, so I'm going to have to make another test outing.


First thing I've noticed is it doesn't seem to work very well if it's 
not bright sunlight. Test shots I took indoors don't show ANY image 
unless I boost the ISO way high & use high exposure compensation.


IR is supposed to be really good for harsh daylight (shooting in the 
middle of the day), so I took it out from 1:00 to 3:00 today to 
photograph a field of sunflowers that are just coming into bloom.


I had it at F8 using the SMC Pentax-DA 1:1.8 50mm lens it seems like 
everything is really soft (out of focus?) except for stuff out on the 
horizon.


I've got to go out and make another test, but anyone got ideas?

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