FS Friday: K-5 and DA-L 55-300

[Mark Roberts]

In light of my recent gear acquisition posts, it should come as no
surprise that I'm selling the gear I'm replacing. They're both on eBay
(where I have photos posted), but I'll knock 10 bucks off the price
for anyone who wants to buy direct. 

DA-L 55-300
https://www.ebay.com/itm/226046234043

K-5
https://www.ebay.com/itm/226047350280
 
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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[ann sanfedele]

My usual setting is AV also - never got software updates - camera was 
refurbished and bought in 2013 from KEH... no wonder

I wasnt any helpt to you Rick

ann


On 1/27/2023 11:21 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Ah, I see now that menu C1.3 gives me ISO 80.
In C1.1 I had 1/3 stop and in Sv mode this now gives ISO 80, 100, 125, 160
etc.
However in Av-mode, which is my usual setting, the extended ISO range shows
ISO 80, 100, 200 etc.
Still learning on my old camera.

Henk

Op vr 27 jan. 2023 om 16:43 schreef Bill :


On 1/27/2023 7:22 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Strange, my K5 doesn't have ISO 80 at all. The lowest I get is 100.

Turning

the back wheel with ISO button pressed the next step from 100 is 200.
I'm on firmware 1.16 which is the latest.
Henk

Do you have your ISO resolution set to 1/2 stop or 1/3 stop increments?

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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[Henk Terhell]

Ah, I see now that menu C1.3 gives me ISO 80.
In C1.1 I had 1/3 stop and in Sv mode this now gives ISO 80, 100, 125, 160
etc.
However in Av-mode, which is my usual setting, the extended ISO range shows
ISO 80, 100, 200 etc.
Still learning on my old camera.

Henk

Op vr 27 jan. 2023 om 16:43 schreef Bill :

> On 1/27/2023 7:22 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:
> > Strange, my K5 doesn't have ISO 80 at all. The lowest I get is 100.
> Turning
> > the back wheel with ISO button pressed the next step from 100 is 200.
> > I'm on firmware 1.16 which is the latest.
> > Henk
> Do you have your ISO resolution set to 1/2 stop or 1/3 stop increments?
>
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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[Bill]

On 1/27/2023 7:22 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

Strange, my K5 doesn't have ISO 80 at all. The lowest I get is 100. Turning
the back wheel with ISO button pressed the next step from 100 is 200.
I'm on firmware 1.16 which is the latest.
Henk

Do you have your ISO resolution set to 1/2 stop or 1/3 stop increments?

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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[Henk Terhell]

Strange, my K5 doesn't have ISO 80 at all. The lowest I get is 100. Turning
the back wheel with ISO button pressed the next step from 100 is 200.
I'm on firmware 1.16 which is the latest.
Henk

Op do 26 jan. 2023 om 23:14 schreef Rick Womer :

> Ding Ding Ding!!!
>
> Pete, that did it!  Thank you!
>
> I don’t know how the highlight correction got turned on, but anyway…
>
> Rick
>
> > On Jan 26, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Pete McIntosh  wrote:
> >
> > Exploring on my K5...
> >
> > Having highlight correction (under D-Range setting) turned on lifts the
> minimum ISO from 80 to 160. With ISO set to 160, and turning highlight
> correction OFF, ISO automagically set itself to 200.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > Pete Mac in Melbourne
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From "Rick Womer" 
> > To "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> > Date 27/01/23 4:38:59
> > Subject Strange K-5 ISO range problem
> >
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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[Rick Womer]

Ding Ding Ding!!!

Pete, that did it!  Thank you!

I don’t know how the highlight correction got turned on, but anyway…

Rick

> On Jan 26, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Pete McIntosh  wrote:
> 
> Exploring on my K5...
> 
> Having highlight correction (under D-Range setting) turned on lifts the 
> minimum ISO from 80 to 160. With ISO set to 160, and turning highlight 
> correction OFF, ISO automagically set itself to 200.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Ciao,
> 
> Pete Mac in Melbourne
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From "Rick Womer" 
> To "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date 27/01/23 4:38:59
> Subject Strange K-5 ISO range problem
> 
>> Good afternoon (in Philly, anyway),
>> 
>> During a shoot this morning, my K-5 suddenly wouldn’t let me set the ISO to 
>> 100, which is my usual setting The lowest it will go is 200.
>> 
>> Different lenses, freshly charged battery, and lots of fiddling and owner’s 
>> manual reading haven’t corrected the problem.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
>> 
>> Rick
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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[Pete McIntosh]

Exploring on my K5...

Having highlight correction (under D-Range setting) turned on lifts the 
minimum ISO from 80 to 160. With ISO set to 160, and turning highlight 
correction OFF, ISO automagically set itself to 200.


Hope this helps.

Ciao,

Pete Mac in Melbourne


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Date 27/01/23 4:38:59
Subject Strange K-5 ISO range problem


Good afternoon (in Philly, anyway),

During a shoot this morning, my K-5 suddenly wouldn’t let me set the ISO to 
100, which is my usual setting The lowest it will go is 200.

Different lenses, freshly charged battery, and lots of fiddling and owner’s 
manual reading haven’t corrected the problem.

Any ideas?

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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[ann sanfedele]

Rick _ I had not seen bill's response..   I'm just reporting what 
happened to me and what I did to correct it..

I just shoot on  AV  settting

ann

On 1/26/2023 2:57 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 14:12 ann sanfedele  wrote:


what do you have the mode set to?   maybe you accidentaly turned the
mode dial ?  not every setting will let you go down to 80 -

ann

On 1/26/2023 1:50 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Thanks, Bill. That got the minimum ISO to 160. It should be 80.

Rick

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 13:20 Bill  wrote:


On 1/26/2023 11:38 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Good afternoon (in Philly, anyway),

During a shoot this morning, my K-5 suddenly wouldn’t let me set the

ISO

to 100, which is my usual setting The lowest it will go is 200.

Different lenses, freshly charged battery, and lots of fiddling and

owner’s manual reading haven’t corrected the problem.

Any ideas?

Try Custom Menu C1/ 3. Expanded Sensitivity. That might have gotten
itself turned off.

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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[Rick Womer]

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 14:12 ann sanfedele  wrote:

> what do you have the mode set to?   maybe you accidentaly turned the
> mode dial ?  not every setting will let you go down to 80 -
>
> ann
>
> On 1/26/2023 1:50 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
> > Thanks, Bill. That got the minimum ISO to 160. It should be 80.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 13:20 Bill  wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/26/2023 11:38 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
> >>> Good afternoon (in Philly, anyway),
> >>>
> >>> During a shoot this morning, my K-5 suddenly wouldn’t let me set the
> ISO
> >> to 100, which is my usual setting The lowest it will go is 200.
> >>> Different lenses, freshly charged battery, and lots of fiddling and
> >> owner’s manual reading haven’t corrected the problem.
> >>> Any ideas?
> >> Try Custom Menu C1/ 3. Expanded Sensitivity. That might have gotten
> >> itself turned off.
> >>
> >> bill
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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

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what do you have the mode set to?   maybe you accidentaly turned the 
mode dial ?  not every setting will let you go down to 80 -


ann

On 1/26/2023 1:50 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Thanks, Bill. That got the minimum ISO to 160. It should be 80.

Rick

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 13:20 Bill  wrote:


On 1/26/2023 11:38 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Good afternoon (in Philly, anyway),

During a shoot this morning, my K-5 suddenly wouldn’t let me set the ISO

to 100, which is my usual setting The lowest it will go is 200.

Different lenses, freshly charged battery, and lots of fiddling and

owner’s manual reading haven’t corrected the problem.

Any ideas?

Try Custom Menu C1/ 3. Expanded Sensitivity. That might have gotten
itself turned off.

bill
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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[Rick Womer]

Thanks, Bill. That got the minimum ISO to 160. It should be 80.

Rick

On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 13:20 Bill  wrote:

> On 1/26/2023 11:38 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
> > Good afternoon (in Philly, anyway),
> >
> > During a shoot this morning, my K-5 suddenly wouldn’t let me set the ISO
> to 100, which is my usual setting The lowest it will go is 200.
> >
> > Different lenses, freshly charged battery, and lots of fiddling and
> owner’s manual reading haven’t corrected the problem.
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> Try Custom Menu C1/ 3. Expanded Sensitivity. That might have gotten
> itself turned off.
>
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Re: Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[Bill]

On 1/26/2023 11:38 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Good afternoon (in Philly, anyway),

During a shoot this morning, my K-5 suddenly wouldn’t let me set the ISO to 
100, which is my usual setting The lowest it will go is 200.

Different lenses, freshly charged battery, and lots of fiddling and owner’s 
manual reading haven’t corrected the problem.

Any ideas?


Try Custom Menu C1/ 3. Expanded Sensitivity. That might have gotten 
itself turned off.


bill
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Strange K-5 ISO range problem

[Rick Womer]

Good afternoon (in Philly, anyway),

During a shoot this morning, my K-5 suddenly wouldn’t let me set the ISO to 
100, which is my usual setting The lowest it will go is 200.

Different lenses, freshly charged battery, and lots of fiddling and owner’s 
manual reading haven’t corrected the problem.

Any ideas?

Rick
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Re: Broken K-5

[Paul Sorenson]

Possibly...I'm still doing some investigating...and it does match the 
color of some of my cards.  The best part, though, is that it saved me 
about $250 plus shipping to send it in to the Pentax repair people. :-)


-p

On 7/28/2019 11:58 PM, Alan C wrote:
Glad you solved the problem but I wonder if that is part of an SD 
card. It's a tad too long & that broken off piece looks too fat.


Alan C

On 29-Jul-19 12:21 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
For several months now my K-5 has languished on the shelf in favor of 
my K-3 because the SD card would not latch in place. Asked to 
photograph a friend's wedding I wanted to run a two camera operation 
so yesterday finally peered into the SD slot to see what might be the 
problem. Ultimately this is what I was able to dig out of the 
slot...and the camera now works like a champ. It looks like pieces of 
plastic broken off of a card but I have yet to find the problem card.


https://app.box.com/s/yue8hc92s7hsxtrfcac88eqysfolo1my

-p





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Re: Broken K-5

[Alan C]

Glad you solved the problem but I wonder if that is part of an SD card. 
It's a tad too long & that broken off piece looks too fat.


Alan C

On 29-Jul-19 12:21 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
For several months now my K-5 has languished on the shelf in favor of 
my K-3 because the SD card would not latch in place. Asked to 
photograph a friend's wedding I wanted to run a two camera operation 
so yesterday finally peered into the SD slot to see what might be the 
problem.  Ultimately this is what I was able to dig out of the 
slot...and the camera now works like a champ. It looks like pieces of 
plastic broken off of a card but I have yet to find the problem card.


https://app.box.com/s/yue8hc92s7hsxtrfcac88eqysfolo1my

-p




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Re: Broken K-5

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Once, when I was in a hurry, I stuck the SD card in upside down.  Needless
to say, it got stuck.  I took quite a bit of time and care to get it out
without breaking it.  I was really sweating it for a while there.

Dan Matyola
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On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:22 PM Paul Sorenson  wrote:

> For several months now my K-5 has languished on the shelf in favor of my
> K-3 because the SD card would not latch in place. Asked to photograph a
> friend's wedding I wanted to run a two camera operation so yesterday
> finally peered into the SD slot to see what might be the problem.
> Ultimately this is what I was able to dig out of the slot...and the
> camera now works like a champ. It looks like pieces of plastic broken
> off of a card but I have yet to find the problem card.
>
> https://app.box.com/s/yue8hc92s7hsxtrfcac88eqysfolo1my
>
> -p
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Broken K-5

[Paul Sorenson]

For several months now my K-5 has languished on the shelf in favor of my 
K-3 because the SD card would not latch in place. Asked to photograph a 
friend's wedding I wanted to run a two camera operation so yesterday 
finally peered into the SD slot to see what might be the problem.  
Ultimately this is what I was able to dig out of the slot...and the 
camera now works like a champ. It looks like pieces of plastic broken 
off of a card but I have yet to find the problem card.


https://app.box.com/s/yue8hc92s7hsxtrfcac88eqysfolo1my

-p

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Odd K-5 / DA 17-70 behavior

[Bipin Gupta]

Rick / PJ, the SDM Motors were born bad. If there is any binding on the
motor it WILL draw a larger current, but NOT from Full Bar to 1.
Note: every K-5 series has the notorious Battery Indicator PROBLEM on the
Top LCD, which Ricoh-Pentax never solved.
And with some lenses I have noticed this behaviour gets still bad, though
erratic.
You remove the Battery or OFF & ON the Camera and the behaviour returns to
normal.
Point to NOTE: When you switched to another Lens the Battery Indicator
returned to Normal. So K-5 BUG.
Kind Regards.
Bipin.
Bangalore, Thornhill Ontario.
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Re: Odd K-5 / DA 17-70 behavior

[P. J. Alling]

That is unfortunately how warranties are intended to work.

On 5/19/2019 1:21 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

I hope you’re wrong! The one-year warranty from the SDM motor replacement
expired exactly a month ago.

Rick

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 19:13 P. J. Alling 
wrote:


The lens is drawing power from the camera, could be a failing component
on the lenses main board causing a larger than expected power drain.

On 5/19/2019 11:42 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Shooting today, the battery gauge dropped unusually quickly from full to

1

bar. Well, I thought, it’s an old battery, and must be wearing out.

Then I switched lenses to the 10-17. Full battery again! Switched back to
the 17-70: 1 bar. Hmmm. Tried the 50-200; full battery.

I cleaned the contacts on the lens and body, but this odd behavior
persists. Why should the lens influence the camera’s battery gauge?

Rick

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Re: Odd K-5 / DA 17-70 behavior

[Rick Womer]

I hope you’re wrong! The one-year warranty from the SDM motor replacement
expired exactly a month ago.

Rick

On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 19:13 P. J. Alling 
wrote:

> The lens is drawing power from the camera, could be a failing component
> on the lenses main board causing a larger than expected power drain.
>
> On 5/19/2019 11:42 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
> > Shooting today, the battery gauge dropped unusually quickly from full to
> 1
> > bar. Well, I thought, it’s an old battery, and must be wearing out.
> >
> > Then I switched lenses to the 10-17. Full battery again! Switched back to
> > the 17-70: 1 bar. Hmmm. Tried the 50-200; full battery.
> >
> > I cleaned the contacts on the lens and body, but this odd behavior
> > persists. Why should the lens influence the camera’s battery gauge?
> >
> > Rick
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Re: Odd K-5 / DA 17-70 behavior

[P. J. Alling]

The lens is drawing power from the camera, could be a failing component 
on the lenses main board causing a larger than expected power drain.


On 5/19/2019 11:42 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

Shooting today, the battery gauge dropped unusually quickly from full to 1
bar. Well, I thought, it’s an old battery, and must be wearing out.

Then I switched lenses to the 10-17. Full battery again! Switched back to
the 17-70: 1 bar. Hmmm. Tried the 50-200; full battery.

I cleaned the contacts on the lens and body, but this odd behavior
persists. Why should the lens influence the camera’s battery gauge?

Rick


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Odd K-5 / DA 17-70 behavior

[Rick Womer]

Shooting today, the battery gauge dropped unusually quickly from full to 1
bar. Well, I thought, it’s an old battery, and must be wearing out.

Then I switched lenses to the 10-17. Full battery again! Switched back to
the 17-70: 1 bar. Hmmm. Tried the 50-200; full battery.

I cleaned the contacts on the lens and body, but this odd behavior
persists. Why should the lens influence the camera’s battery gauge?

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Re: Pentax software that comes with the k-5 IIs ; Any Good?

[Bill]

On 7/18/2018 3:01 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
Does the pentax software that comes with the k=5 lls do a decent job of 
converting

the RAW .pef files to jpgs?

If not, what do you recommend?

i cant use photoshop as i use adobe CS2 ACR
which isnt compatible with the camers's files.

jco



John, switch the camera over to DNG. It makes no difference to the 
results, but DNG from your K5II will open on your CS2 ACR.
I switched to DNG when Adobe was slow to release an update for the K10. 
I've never looked back.


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Re: Pentax software that comes with the k-5 IIs ; Any Good?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Try setting the camera to output DNG files, or using Adobe DNG Converter to 
convert the PEF files to a DNG format supported by the CS2 version of Camera 
Raw. 

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> On Jul 18, 2018, at 2:01 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> 
> Does the pentax software that comes with the k=5 lls do a decent job of 
> converting
> the RAW .pef files to jpgs?
> 
> If not, what do you recommend?
> 
> i cant use photoshop as i use adobe CS2 ACR
> which isnt compatible with the camers's files.


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Re: Pentax software that comes with the k-5 IIs ; Any Good?

[lrc]

I use Lightroom 6

On July 18, 2018 2:01:54 PM PDT, "J.C. O'Connell"  wrote:
>Does the pentax software that comes with the k=5 lls do a decent job of
> 
>converting
>the RAW .pef files to jpgs?
>
>If not, what do you recommend?
>
>i cant use photoshop as i use adobe CS2 ACR
>which isnt compatible with the camers's files.
>
>jco
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Re: Pentax software that comes with the k-5 IIs ; Any Good?

[Paul Sorenson]

I've not used CS2 but if it will read DNG files just set your new camera 
to save your raw files as DNG instead of PEF.  If all you want to do is 
convert to JPGs or TIFFs, Faststone or Irfanview will do that for you 
and they're free.  OTOH, the latest version of Photoshop Elements is 
probably more powerful than your CS2 and it's currently on sale at both 
Adorama and B for 70 bucks.


-p


On 7/18/2018 4:01 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote:
Does the pentax software that comes with the k=5 lls do a decent job 
of converting

the RAW .pef files to jpgs?

If not, what do you recommend?

i cant use photoshop as i use adobe CS2 ACR
which isnt compatible with the camers's files.

jco



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Pentax software that comes with the k-5 IIs ; Any Good?

[J.C. O'Connell]

Does the pentax software that comes with the k=5 lls do a decent job of  
converting

the RAW .pef files to jpgs?

If not, what do you recommend?

i cant use photoshop as i use adobe CS2 ACR
which isnt compatible with the camers's files.

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Re: K-5 Metadata Issue - solved

[Brian Walters]

It seems the problem isn't anything to do with the camera it's a bug in the
software I've been using for image management (Zoner Photo Studio 17).  My
workflow has been to use ZPS17 to add descriptors/keywords etc and then send
images needing further processing from ZPS17 to Photoshop, but I've just
discovered that as soon as I save the descriptors in ZPS17, the Lens Info (and
presumably the full Maker Notes metadata) disappears.

Fortunately, I also have Zoner Photo Studio 18 (I prefer the interface of the
earlier version which is why I've been using it)  Anyway, I've just tested some
images in ZPS18 and the bug has apparently been fixed - so I'll be using that
version in future.

Back to that drink...


Cheers

Brian

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> On 09 December 2017 at 14:45 Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Zos
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions but things are becoming even weirder...
> 
> It seems that the camera is actually recording the Maker Notes.  I just
> checked
> the metadata on the SD card for recent images and all metadata is present, but
> the Maker Notes are missing for those same images that had been copied across
> to
> my hard drive.
> 
> What's even more frustrating is that I can't now reproduce the problem.  I
> just
> took a couple of photos, copied the images across to the hard drive - and all
> metadata is present.
> 
> I need a drink...
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> 
> 
> 
> > On 09 December 2017 at 13:37 Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Try reflashing the firmware on it. It might just be something weird.
> > No lens data in lightroom either? I would guess not if exiftool isn't
> > reporting it.
> > 
> > You also might want to try cleaning the contacts on your camera to
> > make sure it is getting good communication first. You should be seeing
> > focal lenght information in the jpeg review on the camera if you press
> > the info button. If you are not the lens->camera connection is
> > suspect.
> > 
> > On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org>
> > wrote:
> > > This is a bit odd.
> > >
> > > This morning I wanted to check the lens that I'd used on my K-5 a few
> > > weeks
> > > ago.
> > >  I opened the image in ExifTool and found the Lens field blank. Very
> > > strange, I
> > > thought, because I've only been using AF lenses.
> > >
> > > Anyway, on further checking I found that the entire Maker Notes section of
> > > the
> > > metadata was absent and I know that it had been recorded in the past.
> > >
> > > As near as I can make out, the camera stopped recording the Maker Notes in
> > > November 2015.  All previous images have the complete metadata - all
> > > subsequent
> > > ones have no Maker Notes.
> > >
> > > Anyone have any idea why this might be the happening?
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >

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Re: K-5 Metadata Issue

[Brian Walters]

Hi Zos

Thanks for the suggestions but things are becoming even weirder...

It seems that the camera is actually recording the Maker Notes.  I just checked
the metadata on the SD card for recent images and all metadata is present, but
the Maker Notes are missing for those same images that had been copied across to
my hard drive.

What's even more frustrating is that I can't now reproduce the problem.  I just
took a couple of photos, copied the images across to the hard drive - and all
metadata is present.

I need a drink...


Cheers

Brian

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> On 09 December 2017 at 13:37 Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Try reflashing the firmware on it. It might just be something weird.
> No lens data in lightroom either? I would guess not if exiftool isn't
> reporting it.
> 
> You also might want to try cleaning the contacts on your camera to
> make sure it is getting good communication first. You should be seeing
> focal lenght information in the jpeg review on the camera if you press
> the info button. If you are not the lens->camera connection is
> suspect.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org>
> wrote:
> > This is a bit odd.
> >
> > This morning I wanted to check the lens that I'd used on my K-5 a few weeks
> > ago.
> >  I opened the image in ExifTool and found the Lens field blank. Very
> > strange, I
> > thought, because I've only been using AF lenses.
> >
> > Anyway, on further checking I found that the entire Maker Notes section of
> > the
> > metadata was absent and I know that it had been recorded in the past.
> >
> > As near as I can make out, the camera stopped recording the Maker Notes in
> > November 2015.  All previous images have the complete metadata - all
> > subsequent
> > ones have no Maker Notes.
> >
> > Anyone have any idea why this might be the happening?
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > ++
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> > Western Sydney Australia
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Re: K-5 Metadata Issue

[Zos Xavius]

Try reflashing the firmware on it. It might just be something weird.
No lens data in lightroom either? I would guess not if exiftool isn't
reporting it.

You also might want to try cleaning the contacts on your camera to
make sure it is getting good communication first. You should be seeing
focal lenght information in the jpeg review on the camera if you press
the info button. If you are not the lens->camera connection is
suspect.

On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org> wrote:
> This is a bit odd.
>
> This morning I wanted to check the lens that I'd used on my K-5 a few weeks 
> ago.
>  I opened the image in ExifTool and found the Lens field blank. Very strange, 
> I
> thought, because I've only been using AF lenses.
>
> Anyway, on further checking I found that the entire Maker Notes section of the
> metadata was absent and I know that it had been recorded in the past.
>
> As near as I can make out, the camera stopped recording the Maker Notes in
> November 2015.  All previous images have the complete metadata - all 
> subsequent
> ones have no Maker Notes.
>
> Anyone have any idea why this might be the happening?
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> ++
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K-5 Metadata Issue

[Brian Walters]

This is a bit odd.

This morning I wanted to check the lens that I'd used on my K-5 a few weeks ago.
 I opened the image in ExifTool and found the Lens field blank. Very strange, I
thought, because I've only been using AF lenses.

Anyway, on further checking I found that the entire Maker Notes section of the
metadata was absent and I know that it had been recorded in the past.

As near as I can make out, the camera stopped recording the Maker Notes in
November 2015.  All previous images have the complete metadata - all subsequent
ones have no Maker Notes.

Anyone have any idea why this might be the happening?


Cheers

Brian

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Re: K-5 20K

[Rob Studdert]

As you know Larry it's easy to end up with a lot of images shooting
dance and other live performance, my RAW library is approaching 450k
images but that's less than I've shot as I have started outright
discarding images that I know will not be used in any way.



On 1 November 2017 at 11:38, Larry Colen  wrote:
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>
> Rob Studdert wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Rick, I do give my cameras quite a workout, my main K3 is just
>> past 225k shots I think, my just new D750 has about 20k shots on it
>> already.
>
>
> I'm impressed, my whole catalog of digital photos (most of which are in the
> past ten years) is barely more than twice that.
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Re: K-5 20K

[Larry Colen]

Rob Studdert wrote:

Thanks Rick, I do give my cameras quite a workout, my main K3 is just
past 225k shots I think, my just new D750 has about 20k shots on it
already.


I'm impressed, my whole catalog of digital photos (most of which are in 
the past ten years) is barely more than twice that.


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Re: K-5 20K

[Rob Studdert]

Thanks Rick, I do give my cameras quite a workout, my main K3 is just
past 225k shots I think, my just new D750 has about 20k shots on it
already.

Time is difficult to juggle at the moment, I don't get enough time to
do things that I really need to so I only have time to pop in here
once in a while :(

All those shots come with consequences, I'm steadily working my way
through a backlog of shoots, so not much time to post anywhere and
less time to do my own thing.

One day I'll get it under control :)

On 1 November 2017 at 04:16, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rob, as I said, "20K is just a quiet week's work" for some on the list.
>
> I miss your posts here. The city shots on FB a month or two ago were
> beautiful; but I hate posting on FB.
>
> Rick
>
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 1:20 AM, Rob Studdert <distudio.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I still use my K5IIs a bit, shutter count on that is 152599 and still
>> going strong. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 October 2017 at 08:26, Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org> wrote:
>>> Make that "Maker Notes"
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 31 October 2017 at 08:02 Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On 30 October 2017 at 17:55 John Coyle <jco...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Doesn't show in Bridge, or XNView?
>>>>
>>>> Shutter Count is in the Masker Notes rather than the Exif.  It wont show 
>>>> up in
>>>> most image viewer programs.  You'll need something like PhotoME ot Exif 
>>>> Tool
>>>> to
>>>> see it.  Or there is a website where you can upload an image and it will 
>>>> show
>>>> the shutter count - can't remember the URL but a Google search should find 
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> ++
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>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > -Original Message-
>>>> > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
>>>> > Sent: Monday, 30 October 2017 11:36 AM
>>>> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
>>>> > Subject: Re: K-5 20K
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > John Coyle wrote:
>>>> > > I'm now on 10,700 but I reset the camera when I got it (second-hand),
>>>> > > so the shutter count is probably at about 19,000.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > That's in one year of owning it, so the US holiday probably accounts 
>>>> > > for a
>>>> > > large proportion of
>>>> > that!
>>>> >
>>>> > The exif data will tell you how many shutter cycles are on the body.
>>>> >
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Re: K-5 20K

[Rick Womer]

Rob, as I said, "20K is just a quiet week's work" for some on the list.

I miss your posts here. The city shots on FB a month or two ago were
beautiful; but I hate posting on FB.

Rick

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 1:20 AM, Rob Studdert <distudio.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I still use my K5IIs a bit, shutter count on that is 152599 and still
> going strong. :)
>
>
>
> On 31 October 2017 at 08:26, Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org> wrote:
>> Make that "Maker Notes"
>>
>>
>>> On 31 October 2017 at 08:02 Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 30 October 2017 at 17:55 John Coyle <jco...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Doesn't show in Bridge, or XNView?
>>>
>>> Shutter Count is in the Masker Notes rather than the Exif.  It wont show up 
>>> in
>>> most image viewer programs.  You'll need something like PhotoME ot Exif Tool
>>> to
>>> see it.  Or there is a website where you can upload an image and it will 
>>> show
>>> the shutter count - can't remember the URL but a Google search should find 
>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Brian Walters
>>> Western Sydney Australia
>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>>
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
>>> > Sent: Monday, 30 October 2017 11:36 AM
>>> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net>
>>> > Subject: Re: K-5 20K
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > John Coyle wrote:
>>> > > I'm now on 10,700 but I reset the camera when I got it (second-hand),
>>> > > so the shutter count is probably at about 19,000.
>>> > >
>>> > > That's in one year of owning it, so the US holiday probably accounts 
>>> > > for a
>>> > > large proportion of
>>> > that!
>>> >
>>> > The exif data will tell you how many shutter cycles are on the body.
>>> >
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Re: K-5 20K

[Rob Studdert]

I still use my K5IIs a bit, shutter count on that is 152599 and still
going strong. :)



On 31 October 2017 at 08:26, Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org> wrote:
> Make that "Maker Notes"
>
>
>> On 31 October 2017 at 08:02 Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > On 30 October 2017 at 17:55 John Coyle <jco...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Doesn't show in Bridge, or XNView?
>>
>> Shutter Count is in the Masker Notes rather than the Exif.  It wont show up 
>> in
>> most image viewer programs.  You'll need something like PhotoME ot Exif Tool
>> to
>> see it.  Or there is a website where you can upload an image and it will show
>> the shutter count - can't remember the URL but a Google search should find 
>> it.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
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>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > John Coyle wrote:
>> > > I'm now on 10,700 but I reset the camera when I got it (second-hand),
>> > > so the shutter count is probably at about 19,000.
>> > >
>> > > That's in one year of owning it, so the US holiday probably accounts for 
>> > > a
>> > > large proportion of
>> > that!
>> >
>> > The exif data will tell you how many shutter cycles are on the body.
>> >
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RE: K-5 20K

[Brian Walters]

Make that "Maker Notes"


> On 31 October 2017 at 08:02 Brian Walters <apathy...@lyons-ryan.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> > On 30 October 2017 at 17:55 John Coyle <jco...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Doesn't show in Bridge, or XNView?
> 
> Shutter Count is in the Masker Notes rather than the Exif.  It wont show up in
> most image viewer programs.  You'll need something like PhotoME ot Exif Tool
> to
> see it.  Or there is a website where you can upload an image and it will show
> the shutter count - can't remember the URL but a Google search should find it.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
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> > 
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> > Subject: Re: K-5 20K
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > John Coyle wrote:
> > > I'm now on 10,700 but I reset the camera when I got it (second-hand), 
> > > so the shutter count is probably at about 19,000.
> > >
> > > That's in one year of owning it, so the US holiday probably accounts for a
> > > large proportion of
> > that!
> > 
> > The exif data will tell you how many shutter cycles are on the body.
> > 
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RE: K-5 20K

[Brian Walters]

> On 30 October 2017 at 17:55 John Coyle <jco...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> Doesn't show in Bridge, or XNView?

Shutter Count is in the Masker Notes rather than the Exif.  It wont show up in
most image viewer programs.  You'll need something like PhotoME ot Exif Tool to
see it.  Or there is a website where you can upload an image and it will show
the shutter count - can't remember the URL but a Google search should find it.


Cheers

Brian

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> Subject: Re: K-5 20K
> 
> 
> 
> John Coyle wrote:
> > I'm now on 10,700 but I reset the camera when I got it (second-hand), 
> > so the shutter count is probably at about 19,000.
> >
> > That's in one year of owning it, so the US holiday probably accounts for a
> > large proportion of
> that!
> 
> The exif data will tell you how many shutter cycles are on the body.
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RE: K-5 20K

[John Coyle]

Doesn't show in Bridge, or XNView?


John in Brisbane



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John Coyle wrote:
> I'm now on 10,700 but I reset the camera when I got it (second-hand), 
> so the shutter count is probably at about 19,000.
>
> That's in one year of owning it, so the US holiday probably accounts for a 
> large proportion of
that!

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Re: K-5 20K

[Larry Colen]

John Coyle wrote:

I'm now on 10,700 but I reset the camera when I got it (second-hand), so the 
shutter count is
probably at about 19,000.

That's in one year of owning it, so the US holiday probably accounts for a 
large proportion of that!


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RE: K-5 20K

[John Coyle]

I'm now on 10,700 but I reset the camera when I got it (second-hand), so the 
shutter count is
probably at about 19,000.

That's in one year of owning it, so the US holiday probably accounts for a 
large proportion of that!


John in Brisbane



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> On 29 October 2017 at 23:43 David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice, mine is just about to roll over 10K so you have been busier than 
> moi.:-)

I'm even less.  Just about to rollover 9000. Admittedly, I have been using the 
OM-Ds more lately.


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> 
> Dave
> 
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wandering about the Marquette University campus in MKE today, I 
> > rolled
> > 20,000 exposures on my 5-year-old K-5. My shooting has slowed down a 
> > lot this past year or so because of time pressure (work and house
> > renovations) and my trying to be more selective and careful in my 
> > shooting.
> >
> > I continue to like the camera a lot.
> >
> > I know that 20K is just a quiet week's work for some of you, but still...
> >
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Re: K-5 20K

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> On 29 October 2017 at 23:43 David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 
> Nice, mine is just about to roll over 10K so you have been busier than moi.:-)

I'm even less.  Just about to rollover 9000. Admittedly, I have been using the
OM-Ds more lately.


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> 
> Dave
> 
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Wandering about the Marquette University campus in MKE today, I rolled
> > 20,000 exposures on my 5-year-old K-5. My shooting has slowed down a
> > lot this past year or so because of time pressure (work and house
> > renovations) and my trying to be more selective and careful in my
> > shooting.
> >
> > I continue to like the camera a lot.
> >
> > I know that 20K is just a quiet week's work for some of you, but still...
> >
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Re: K-5 20K

[David J Brooks]

Nice, mine is just about to roll over 10K so you have been busier than moi.:-)

Dave

On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wandering about the Marquette University campus in MKE today, I rolled
> 20,000 exposures on my 5-year-old K-5. My shooting has slowed down a
> lot this past year or so because of time pressure (work and house
> renovations) and my trying to be more selective and careful in my
> shooting.
>
> I continue to like the camera a lot.
>
> I know that 20K is just a quiet week's work for some of you, but still...
>
> Cheers,
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Re: K-5 20K

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Rick Womer wrote:

Wandering about the Marquette University campus in MKE today, I rolled
20,000 exposures on my 5-year-old K-5. My shooting has slowed down a
lot this past year or so because of time pressure (work and house
renovations) and my trying to be more selective and careful in my
shooting.

I continue to like the camera a lot.


With good reason.


I know that 20K is just a quiet week's work for some of you, but still...


It doesn't matter how many pictures you take, it doesn't even matter how 
many good photos you take, what matters is whether you have fun taking them.





Cheers,

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K-5 20K

[Rick Womer]

Wandering about the Marquette University campus in MKE today, I rolled
20,000 exposures on my 5-year-old K-5. My shooting has slowed down a
lot this past year or so because of time pressure (work and house
renovations) and my trying to be more selective and careful in my
shooting.

I continue to like the camera a lot.

I know that 20K is just a quiet week's work for some of you, but still...

Cheers,

Rick

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What is the connector for the Pentax K-5 USB cable?

[Bipin Gupta]

PJ Sir, I bought the $ 1 USB cable for my K-20D in 2009, as I said
from San Mateo in the Bay Area California.
And it is still working fine.

I always transfer my photos using the USB cable connected to my
Laptop, after reading a few stories of
damage to the Card Slot.

Then the K-5 series has a design problem with the Card Door making it
awkward to push in and then pull
the card out - not so om my older K-20D.

Here is one for $ 0.93 to 1.14 with Free shipping to the US from
AliExpress (China evil bay equivalent)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1M-8-Pin-USB-Data-Cable-for-Nikon-Olympus-Pentax-Sony-Panasonic-Sanyo/32793799511.html?spm=2114.40010308.4.71.1x09IY

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1M-8-Pin-USB-Data-Cable-for-Nikon-Olympus-Pentax-Sony-Panasonic-Sanyo/32793799511.html?spm

PJ Sir, this line has been made defunct by manufacturers in India,
China, Taiwan, Korea, Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam etc"
"you get what you pay for" as cheap no longer mean poor quality for
many many items.

I bought a Made in India LED Video Light (108 dimmable LEDs) for US $
8. Powerful and fun to use and it is still working great. I posted it
on the Pentax Forums with the sample videos.

To give you an example 3rd Party Batteries (note Pentax do not make
them, they farm them out), Zomei GND or CPL Filters, the CAD 6
including postage Shoulder Sling Strap I bought from China - just as
good as the Brand name ones for $ 40 to 100 ones, etc etc.

Believe me PJ Sir, as Mechanical Engineers we do an FMEA (failure mode
effect analysis) when we design a product. So I would not put a CAD 6
(US $ 4.50) Sling Strap on my expensive $ 2000 gear if it was not just
as strong.

You get exactly the same 3rd Party Brake Pads for my Car at 1/10 the
price here in India. But I buy the original as I will not put my
family and my life in peril. Note: here precious lived are involved.

Just that you have to be money smart PJ Sir, and perhaps a bit lucky.

Regards.
Bipin.

Buy a Leica, get the full Leica Experience? - a quick reduction of
funds in the bank a/c.

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Re: what is the connector for the Pentax K-5 USB cable?

[John]

It's got the same connector on the Camera end as my Cell Phone uses for
charging.

I did NOT leave the other end plugged into the actual charger while I
checked.

On 3/4/2017 12:36 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

The K-5 takes the same USB cable as every other Pentax DSLR since the
*ist-Ds.  At least I've used them interchangeably.  I don't know the
actual designation, but I'm pretty sure it's not propitiatory.  I don't
know if the K-P and K-1 or any of the newer entry level Pentax cameras
use a different one.

So I just read Stan's post and In fact if you just do a web search on
USB7 it appears that Olympus uses the same connector for at least some
of it's cameras, and it may be used on some phones and hand held devices
such as phones and e-readers.


On 3/4/2017 1:26 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

This question came up today.  The cable marked PC/AV on the K-5, the
K-r and probably a bunch of others doesn't seem to be one of the
common USB jacks.  Is it proprietary?  Or just a slightly unusual one?






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Re: What is the connector for the Pentax K-5 USB cable?

[P. J. Alling]

I'd like to say you get what you pay for, but that's clearly not true 
anymore.  Paying the $19.00+ US that Olympus wants for essentially the 
same thing doesn't guarantee any better quality.



On 3/4/2017 5:21 AM, Bipin Gupta wrote:

Hi Larry, Pentax uses the Mini-B connector.

I bought one for USD 1 from a Computer Shop in San Mateo on S El
Camino Real somewhere between East 20 & East 25 Ave.

Panasonic & Olympus use the same mini USB type as I have these cameras.

AliExpress (Chinese evil bay) claims Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, Sony,
Panasonic, Samsung, Fuji & Sanyo use the same cable. It costs   USD
0.93 with free shipping to the US.

Regards.
Bipin

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Re: what is the connector for the Pentax K-5 USB cable?

[P. J. Alling]

I really should proof read these before I hit send.


On 3/4/2017 12:36 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
The K-5 takes the same USB cable as every other Pentax DSLR since the 
*ist-Ds.  At least I've used them interchangeably. I don't know the 
actual designation, but I'm pretty sure it's not propitiatory.  I 
don't know if the K-P and K-1 or any of the newer entry level Pentax 
cameras use a different one.


So I just read Stan's post and In fact if you just do a web search on 
USB7 it appears that Olympus uses the same connector for at least some 
of it's cameras, and it may be used on some phones and hand held 
devices such as phones and e-readers.



On 3/4/2017 1:26 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
This question came up today.  The cable marked PC/AV on the K-5, the 
K-r and probably a bunch of others doesn't seem to be one of the 
common USB jacks.  Is it proprietary?  Or just a slightly unusual one?








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Re: what is the connector for the Pentax K-5 USB cable?

[P. J. Alling]

The K-5 takes the same USB cable as every other Pentax DSLR since the 
*ist-Ds.  At least I've used them interchangeably.  I don't know the 
actual designation, but I'm pretty sure it's not propitiatory.  I don't 
know if the K-P and K-1 or any of the newer entry level Pentax cameras 
use a different one.


So I just read Stan's post and In fact if you just do a web search on 
USB7 it appears that Olympus uses the same connector for at least some 
of it's cameras, and it may be used on some phones and hand held devices 
such as phones and e-readers.



On 3/4/2017 1:26 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
This question came up today.  The cable marked PC/AV on the K-5, the 
K-r and probably a bunch of others doesn't seem to be one of the 
common USB jacks.  Is it proprietary?  Or just a slightly unusual one?





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Re: what is the connector for the Pentax K-5 USB cable?

[Zos Xavius]

The K-3 also shares the same connector. FYI

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Re: what is the connector for the Pentax K-5 USB cable?

[Daniel J. Matyola]

It is a common USB connector that fits other electronic equipment that I
use.

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On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 1:26 AM, Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com> wrote:

> This question came up today.  The cable marked PC/AV on the K-5, the K-r
> and probably a bunch of others doesn't seem to be one of the common USB
> jacks.  Is it proprietary?  Or just a slightly unusual one?
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Re: what is the connector for the Pentax K-5 USB cable?

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Mar 4, 2017, at 1:26 AM, Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com> wrote:
> 
> This question came up today.  The cable marked PC/AV on the K-5, the K-r and 
> probably a bunch of others doesn't seem to be one of the common USB jacks.  
> Is it proprietary?  Or just a slightly unusual one?
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In the K-5 manual it is referred to as I-USB7, a search for which yielded the 
following among many others:

https://enset.com/products/pentax-i-usb7-i-usb17-i-usb33-usb-data-cable?utm_medium=cpc_source=googlepla=24018853319=CIOr76OFvdICFVEbgQodNjwNRA


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What is the connector for the Pentax K-5 USB cable?

[Bipin Gupta]

Hi Larry, Pentax uses the Mini-B connector.

I bought one for USD 1 from a Computer Shop in San Mateo on S El
Camino Real somewhere between East 20 & East 25 Ave.

Panasonic & Olympus use the same mini USB type as I have these cameras.

AliExpress (Chinese evil bay) claims Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, Sony,
Panasonic, Samsung, Fuji & Sanyo use the same cable. It costs   USD
0.93 with free shipping to the US.

Regards.
Bipin

from the Computer/Software Capital of the World - Bangalore.

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what is the connector for the Pentax K-5 USB cable?

[Larry Colen]

This question came up today.  The cable marked PC/AV on the K-5, the K-r 
and probably a bunch of others doesn't seem to be one of the common USB 
jacks.  Is it proprietary?  Or just a slightly unusual one?


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Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3 (long).

[Patrick Nelson]

Hi

I do believe I need to clarify something first. I born without thumbs 
and this does influence how I look at and use things. I bought my first 
SLR - a ME Super because it was the smallest SLR at the time and worked 
best for me. The 2 button interface which many don't like I actually 
prefer. Reading this post and thinking back at some other posts I have 
seen I do feel I have to comment.


Last year I was looking at getting a new camera to upgrade from the K10 
I had been using for 9-10 years. All the posts on the list about how 
much better low light performance is on the newer camera's finally 
penetrated. Here in South Africa we can't walk into a shop and look at 
Pentax camera's so I got hold of the distributor and got the KS-2 and K3 
sent to a shop for me to look at. I did not even look at the K3 as the 
KS-2 fitted in my hands so well. I just feel I have to ask if we are not 
tending to knock camera design changes without actually trying them.


Patrick


On 2017/01/26 08:53 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
I don't think that the style of the Df influenced the style of the KP 
as much as the questions of how do we make the camera appear smaller, 
(ah shave of a couple of mm from the right top plate, and the grip.


Hum, well now where do we put that pesky front wheel?  Ah vertically 
on the front panel the new replaceable grips will protect it.


Now we have to have some kind of unifying element.  This is a break 
with the past, we're going to use the new three wheel metaphor from 
the K-1 so make the prism/flash look like that.


Maybe later someone said hey that looks like a Nikon.  But I doubt 
they started out to do that.  They just wanted it to look small. 
That's what marketing wanted, that's what marketing got.


Having used the K-5 I think that it was an engineering/photographer 
centered design.  It was as small as it could be while being as big as 
it had to be.  The same seems to be true of the K-3.


After that the marketers took over design and the K-S1 was the result.

The new current result is the KP.  Not as garish as the K-S1 but I see 
the same heavy handed design team somewhat chastened, but still there.


Pentax said they learned their lesson with the endless *ist-D 
variations that didn't improve anything just made cheaper cameras 
using older technology.  DS, DL, DS2, DL2, all cut out with the same 
cookie cutter.


For a time the engineers took over and the results were an amazing 
advancement in technology for Pentax.  Right up to the K-7.  Then Hoya 
took over and the K-5 which was probably the last real Pentax design, 
was cheapened and sold for the highest profits possible. Under Ricoh 
the K-5II/s fulfilled the promise of the K-5.


But really still good solid usable cameras.  What a photographer 
want's.  Substance over style mostly.


The K-3 was a fantastic camera it impressed even Nikon fanboys, and 
you don't get much more rabid than that, it brought back the fn Key to 
explicitly change the behavior of the multi function pad, but it also 
made a few design decisions that were pretty meaningless such as the 
switch that used to control metering pattern become a switch to 
control the center locking button on the mode dial.


Ricoh cares about quality but they also care more about marketing and 
in the current era their marketers are just as clueless as Pentax's 
were.  The K-S1 was obviously marketer driven, and it was a failure.  
Only a few of it's features, the less harmful and ridiculous ones, 
were carried over to the K-S2 and the merger of the K-S line into the 
more or less mainstream Pentax cameras line, we're going to see those 
influences continue and not for the better, I'm afraid.


I think the K-1 is the last Pentax engineering design.  Designed and 
built mostly by engineers who are also photographers.


Tue less said about Pentax's previous forays into Mirrorless the 
better it seems, even Ricoh want's to shove them down the memory hole.


On 1/26/2017 12:59 PM, John wrote:

I don't think Ricoh mistakes the Df for a sales leader either.

But, if you compare the "style" of the KP in relation to the rest of the
Pentax line of DSLRs and then compare the "style" of the Df in relation
to the rest of Nikon's line-up, I think there are some similarities.

On 1/26/2017 12:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same re

Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3 (long).

[P. J. Alling]

I don't think that the style of the Df influenced the style of the KP as 
much as the questions of how do we make the camera appear smaller, (ah 
shave of a couple of mm from the right top plate, and the grip.


Hum, well now where do we put that pesky front wheel?  Ah vertically on 
the front panel the new replaceable grips will protect it.


Now we have to have some kind of unifying element.  This is a break with 
the past, we're going to use the new three wheel metaphor from the K-1 
so make the prism/flash look like that.


Maybe later someone said hey that looks like a Nikon.  But I doubt they 
started out to do that.  They just wanted it to look small.  That's what 
marketing wanted, that's what marketing got.


Having used the K-5 I think that it was an engineering/photographer 
centered design.  It was as small as it could be while being as big as 
it had to be.  The same seems to be true of the K-3.


After that the marketers took over design and the K-S1 was the result.

The new current result is the KP.  Not as garish as the K-S1 but I see 
the same heavy handed design team somewhat chastened, but still there.


Pentax said they learned their lesson with the endless *ist-D variations 
that didn't improve anything just made cheaper cameras using older 
technology.  DS, DL, DS2, DL2, all cut out with the same cookie cutter.


For a time the engineers took over and the results were an amazing 
advancement in technology for Pentax.  Right up to the K-7.  Then Hoya 
took over and the K-5 which was probably the last real Pentax design, 
was cheapened and sold for the highest profits possible.  Under Ricoh 
the K-5II/s fulfilled the promise of the K-5.


But really still good solid usable cameras.  What a photographer 
want's.  Substance over style mostly.


The K-3 was a fantastic camera it impressed even Nikon fanboys, and you 
don't get much more rabid than that, it brought back the fn Key to 
explicitly change the behavior of the multi function pad, but it also 
made a few design decisions that were pretty meaningless such as the 
switch that used to control metering pattern become a switch to control 
the center locking button on the mode dial.


Ricoh cares about quality but they also care more about marketing and in 
the current era their marketers are just as clueless as Pentax's were.  
The K-S1 was obviously marketer driven, and it was a failure.  Only a 
few of it's features, the less harmful and ridiculous ones, were carried 
over to the K-S2 and the merger of the K-S line into the more or less 
mainstream Pentax cameras line, we're going to see those influences 
continue and not for the better, I'm afraid.


I think the K-1 is the last Pentax engineering design.  Designed and 
built mostly by engineers who are also photographers.


Tue less said about Pentax's previous forays into Mirrorless the better 
it seems, even Ricoh want's to shove them down the memory hole.


On 1/26/2017 12:59 PM, John wrote:

I don't think Ricoh mistakes the Df for a sales leader either.

But, if you compare the "style" of the KP in relation to the rest of the
Pentax line of DSLRs and then compare the "style" of the Df in relation
to the rest of Nikon's line-up, I think there are some similarities.

On 1/26/2017 12:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

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Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

[John]

I don't think Ricoh mistakes the Df for a sales leader either.

But, if you compare the "style" of the KP in relation to the rest of the
Pentax line of DSLRs and then compare the "style" of the Df in relation
to the rest of Nikon's line-up, I think there are some similarities.

On 1/26/2017 12:32 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

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Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

[P. J. Alling]

Looking at the top plates of both cameras dispels all illusions. The 
Pentax isn't a retro design aping an old film camera, it's a digital 
camera with one design touch from the film era.   The Nikon is a serial 
killer wearing the skin suit of a victim...


On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

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Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

[P. J. Alling]

I don't think so, the only thing retro about the KP is the shape of the 
"pentaprism" housing, and that's not particularly retro based on 
physics.  I doubt even Ricoh, (ex Pentax), marketing could mistake the 
Nikon Df as a top sales leader.



On 1/26/2017 11:38 AM, John wrote:

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

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Re: Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

[John]

On 1/25/2017 8:18 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485




I think this may be the more meaningful comparison:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,495


The KP seems to have that same retro look.

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Pentax KP camera size compared to K-5 and K-3

[P. J. Alling]

There is no meaningful size difference between a KP and K-5.

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,187

Ditto the KP and K-3 just in case anyone cared...

http://camerasize.com/compare/#706,485


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Re: K-5 sound question (EUREKA!)

[ann sanfedele]

The solution is always simple 

When I go the camera I place a piece of bright yellow tape on top , 
right in front of where a flash attachment goes... I had other yellow 
tape in other palces but they wore off.. Now I searching the manual 
again for where the mic was (no entry in index for mic) and found it. 
Yes yes I had covered it with tape .. all is well. Wish I'd seen that 
before I did the vid when my visitors were here!


Stan led me to this by suggesting I might have covered it with my finger..

Yippy!

another discovery... got better results with Red River DS 60lb polar 
white paper on the R220 using the setting for premium lustre paper..


ann


On 10/16/2016 5:02 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Giving it the finger? that sounds like me... I'll do another test!

When I figure out where the mic input is...

thanks ,Stan and Larry


On 10/16/2016 4:09 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

See p171-172 of the manual

As Larry speculated, if you go into Rec Mode 4 menu, select Movie, 
then >  you will get to the Movie options. Scroll down, 3rd option is 
Sound, choices are On or Off. Default is On. So that shouldn’t be the 
issue. Maybe you had a finger covering the mic input?


I see no option for adjusting input sound level.

stan

On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:08 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I have all the "beeps" turned off.  but for movie mode I have the 
sound on, according to the settings...


John Coyle showed me how to take a vid ... easier to learn that way 
than theannoying manual.. however, when I played back my little 10 
second vid there was only a click click click sound,not our voices.


The canon P doesnt play sound loud enough to hear when I play back 
vid in camera, but no problem when the vid plays on youtube or my pc.


So I figured the sound would be heard when I uploaded.  Nope.. no 
sound...


Hope it isn't that my alert beeps are turned off

Is help on the way? DIdn't knwo it wouldn't play sound until after 
JOhn and JAn left... anticipating your question hehe


ann


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Re: K-5 sound question

[ann sanfedele]

Giving it the finger? that sounds like me... I'll do another test!

When I figure out where the mic input is...

thanks ,Stan and Larry


On 10/16/2016 4:09 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

See p171-172 of the manual

As Larry speculated, if you go into Rec Mode 4 menu, select Movie, then >  you 
will get to the Movie options. Scroll down, 3rd option is Sound, choices are On or 
Off. Default is On. So that shouldn’t be the issue. Maybe you had a finger 
covering the mic input?

I see no option for adjusting input sound level.

stan

On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:08 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

I have all the "beeps" turned off.  but for movie mode I have the sound on, 
according to the settings...

John Coyle showed me how to take a vid ... easier to learn that way than 
theannoying manual.. however, when I played back my little 10 second vid there 
was only a click click click sound,not our voices.

The canon P doesnt play sound loud enough to hear when I play back vid in 
camera, but no problem when the vid plays on youtube or my pc.

So I figured the sound would be heard when I uploaded.  Nope.. no sound...

Hope it isn't that my alert beeps are turned off

Is help on the way? DIdn't knwo it wouldn't play sound until after JOhn and JAn 
left... anticipating your question hehe

ann


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Re: K-5 sound question

[Stanley Halpin]

See p171-172 of the manual

As Larry speculated, if you go into Rec Mode 4 menu, select Movie, then >  you 
will get to the Movie options. Scroll down, 3rd option is Sound, choices are On 
or Off. Default is On. So that shouldn’t be the issue. Maybe you had a finger 
covering the mic input?

I see no option for adjusting input sound level.

stan
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:08 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I have all the "beeps" turned off.  but for movie mode I have the sound on, 
> according to the settings...
> 
> John Coyle showed me how to take a vid ... easier to learn that way than 
> theannoying manual.. however, when I played back my little 10 second vid 
> there was only a click click click sound,not our voices.
> 
> The canon P doesnt play sound loud enough to hear when I play back vid in 
> camera, but no problem when the vid plays on youtube or my pc.
> 
> So I figured the sound would be heard when I uploaded.  Nope.. no sound...
> 
> Hope it isn't that my alert beeps are turned off
> 
> Is help on the way? DIdn't knwo it wouldn't play sound until after JOhn and 
> JAn left... anticipating your question hehe
> 
> ann
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Re: K-5 sound question

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ann sanfedele wrote:

I have all the "beeps" turned off. but for movie mode I have the sound
on, according to the settings...

John Coyle showed me how to take a vid ... easier to learn that way than
theannoying manual.. however, when I played back my little 10 second vid
there was only a click click click sound,not our voices.

The canon P doesnt play sound loud enough to hear when I play back vid
in camera, but no problem when the vid plays on youtube or my pc.

So I figured the sound would be heard when I uploaded. Nope.. no sound...

Hope it isn't that my alert beeps are turned off

Is help on the way? DIdn't knwo it wouldn't play sound until after JOhn
and JAn left... anticipating your question hehe


I have all of the beeps on my cameras turned off and they record sound 
in video mode.


There may be a menu option for recording level, and that might have been 
turned down.





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K-5 sound question

[ann sanfedele]

I have all the "beeps" turned off.  but for movie mode I have the sound 
on, according to the settings...


John Coyle showed me how to take a vid ... easier to learn that way than 
theannoying manual.. however, when I played back my little 10 second vid 
there was only a click click click sound,not our voices.


The canon P doesnt play sound loud enough to hear when I play back vid 
in camera, but no problem when the vid plays on youtube or my pc.


So I figured the sound would be heard when I uploaded.  Nope.. no sound...

Hope it isn't that my alert beeps are turned off

Is help on the way? DIdn't knwo it wouldn't play sound until after JOhn 
and JAn left... anticipating your question hehe


ann


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Re: K-5 high ISO - was USA PDML meetups

[Larry Colen]

Rick Womer wrote:

Larry, shooting RAW above 6400 I get noise I can't clean up in LR without 
losing too much detail.

Are you setting the camera at ISO 10k or 25.6k, or are you "underexposing" in 
the camera and pushing at post?


On both of those photos, I had the camera set for Tav. Sometimes, I'll 
underexpose a bit to preserve highlights.  I generally don't like to 
push too much past 6400 or 8000, but sometimes the results surprise me. 
I have lost many more photos from too low a shutter speed, or too little 
depth of field than I have from too high of an ISO.


In any case, my point was that he should experiment with it, and when he 
has the time to take a second try at the photo, give it a try at the 
higher ISO because if he's coming from an ist, then he just will not 
believe what the camera can really do.


In any case, we all have our own limits as to what we'll tolerate in 
terms of noise.  The when I was processing the shot of Jon, my first 
thought was that the noise on it was a little rough, and I wondered what 
ISO I was shooting at, I expected 8K not 25K.


As a side bit of internet history, the band he is playing with in that 
photo, Deth Specula, made internet history by being the first band to 
broadcast a concert live over the internet.





Rick


On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Christine Aguila wrote:

Sounds good!  I’ll put your numbers in my contact list.  I’ve sent some 
suggestions via our email thread off list.  Looking forward to meeting you 
guys!  Cheers, Christine

I have instructed John and Jan that they need to try pizza in both New York and 
Chicago.

BTW John, don't forget to push the ISO on your new K-5 way harder than you 
think is possible.  Take a photo at what you think is a reasonable ISO, then 
take it again using the shutter speed and/or aperture that you really want to 
use if only it were possible to get decent photos at ISO 6400 to 16,000.

for example, this was shot at ISO 10,000
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9310682903/in/album-72157634684347823/

This is 25,600
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8366084507/in/album-72157632485855236/


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[Rick Womer]

Larry, shooting RAW above 6400 I get noise I can't clean up in LR without 
losing too much detail.

Are you setting the camera at ISO 10k or 25.6k, or are you "underexposing" in 
the camera and pushing at post?

Rick


On Oct 14, 2016, at 6:13 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

> 
> 
> Christine Aguila wrote:
>> Sounds good!  I’ll put your numbers in my contact list.  I’ve sent some 
>> suggestions via our email thread off list.  Looking forward to meeting you 
>> guys!  Cheers, Christine
> 
> I have instructed John and Jan that they need to try pizza in both New York 
> and Chicago.
> 
> BTW John, don't forget to push the ISO on your new K-5 way harder than you 
> think is possible.  Take a photo at what you think is a reasonable ISO, then 
> take it again using the shutter speed and/or aperture that you really want to 
> use if only it were possible to get decent photos at ISO 6400 to 16,000.
> 
> for example, this was shot at ISO 10,000
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/9310682903/in/album-72157634684347823/
> 
> This is 25,600
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/8366084507/in/album-72157632485855236/
> 
> Also, don't be afraid to try to push on the SR at low shutter speeds. You 
> wouldn't think that you could hand hold below 1/10 second and get away with 
> it, but if you brace yourself well the K-5 can get a reasonable percentage of 
> clear shots down to 0.3 seconds hand held.
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 11, 2016, at 12:24 PM, jco...@iinet.net.au wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi guys - well, we're here!  Arrived San Francisco this afternoon,
>>> frazzled after 18 hours travelling.
>>> 
>>> Picked up cell phones straight away, the numbers are:
>>> 
>>> Me - 415-910-0406
>>> 
>>> Jan - just in case - 415-960-4968
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John in San Francisco (was in Brisbane)
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Re: [Unimportant] Pentax K-1 produces more noise than K-5 or K-3

[Igor PDML-StR]

Har!

It was this subject line from one of the threads: "K-1 noise reduction"
that inspired me for the post.

Igor



 Bulent Celasun Fri, 10 Jun 2016 01:12:03 -0700 wrote:

I liked the tag :)

The problem is, this one may apply to the majority of our messages.



On Thu, 9 Jun 2016, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



... on PDML and other forums.

But you know that already, don't ya?

Please return to your regularly scheduled activity. ;-)

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Re: [Unimportant] Pentax K-1 produces more noise than K-5 or K-3

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I liked the tag :)

The problem is, this one may apply to the majority of our messages.


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>
> ... on PDML and other forums.
>
> But you know that already, don't ya?
>
> Please return to your regularly scheduled activity. ;-)
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: My K-5

[John]

On 3/21/2016 9:08 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

Take the batteries out for several hours. Then put them back in and
try again. That often straightens out confused cameras.

Paul via phone



Doesn't work for confused photographers though.

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Re: My K-5

[David J Brooks]

have not tried that yet, will do

Dave

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 9:08 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
> Take the batteries out for several hours. Then put them back in and try 
> again. That often straightens out confused cameras.
>
> Paul via phone
>
>> On Mar 21, 2016, at 9:04 PM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Stan and Ann, i have the 4 way controler set to single frame, and i
>> have looked through the menus to see if i changed a setting which i
>> dont see anything out of th eoredinary. Quite puzzling
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Stanley Halpin
>> <s...@stans-photography.info> wrote:
>>> When you say “check the settings” are you looking at menu choices? Did you 
>>> also check the four-way controller thingie? Press the top portion, slide 
>>> sideways to select your shooting mode…
>>> I imagine you did this but it is easy to hit that control and accidentally 
>>> reset the mode. Been there, done that…
>>>
>>> stan
>>>
>>>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 7:32 PM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> for some reason my K-5 has started to shoot in high frames mode. I
>>>> have checked my settings, those that i can find, and everything seems
>>>> to be set on one frame shooting.
>>>>
>>>> Anything i'm missing
>>>>
>>>> Dave
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Re: My K-5

[Paul Stenquist]

Take the batteries out for several hours. Then put them back in and try again. 
That often straightens out confused cameras.

Paul via phone

> On Mar 21, 2016, at 9:04 PM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Stan and Ann, i have the 4 way controler set to single frame, and i
> have looked through the menus to see if i changed a setting which i
> dont see anything out of th eoredinary. Quite puzzling
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Stanley Halpin
> <s...@stans-photography.info> wrote:
>> When you say “check the settings” are you looking at menu choices? Did you 
>> also check the four-way controller thingie? Press the top portion, slide 
>> sideways to select your shooting mode…
>> I imagine you did this but it is easy to hit that control and accidentally 
>> reset the mode. Been there, done that…
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 7:32 PM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> for some reason my K-5 has started to shoot in high frames mode. I
>>> have checked my settings, those that i can find, and everything seems
>>> to be set on one frame shooting.
>>> 
>>> Anything i'm missing
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
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Re: My K-5

[David J Brooks]

Stan and Ann, i have the 4 way controler set to single frame, and i
have looked through the menus to see if i changed a setting which i
dont see anything out of th eoredinary. Quite puzzling

Dave

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Stanley Halpin
<s...@stans-photography.info> wrote:
> When you say “check the settings” are you looking at menu choices? Did you 
> also check the four-way controller thingie? Press the top portion, slide 
> sideways to select your shooting mode…
> I imagine you did this but it is easy to hit that control and accidentally 
> reset the mode. Been there, done that…
>
> stan
>
>> On Mar 20, 2016, at 7:32 PM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> for some reason my K-5 has started to shoot in high frames mode. I
>> have checked my settings, those that i can find, and everything seems
>> to be set on one frame shooting.
>>
>> Anything i'm missing
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Re: My K-5

[ann sanfedele]

My most annoying  bit with that is setting it on mirror lockup for m y 
product photography and forgetting to slide it back to single frame for
grab shots when out :-( results in a lot of blurry photos...  I'm 
guessing what got you in trouble is what got Brooksie there too..

I've done it as well .

ann

On 3/20/2016 7:39 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

When you say “check the settings” are you looking at menu choices? Did you also 
check the four-way controller thingie? Press the top portion, slide sideways to 
select your shooting mode…
I imagine you did this but it is easy to hit that control and accidentally 
reset the mode. Been there, done that…

stan


On Mar 20, 2016, at 7:32 PM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:

for some reason my K-5 has started to shoot in high frames mode. I
have checked my settings, those that i can find, and everything seems
to be set on one frame shooting.

Anything i'm missing

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Re: My K-5

[Stanley Halpin]

When you say “check the settings” are you looking at menu choices? Did you also 
check the four-way controller thingie? Press the top portion, slide sideways to 
select your shooting mode…
I imagine you did this but it is easy to hit that control and accidentally 
reset the mode. Been there, done that…

stan

> On Mar 20, 2016, at 7:32 PM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> for some reason my K-5 has started to shoot in high frames mode. I
> have checked my settings, those that i can find, and everything seems
> to be set on one frame shooting.
> 
> Anything i'm missing
> 
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My K-5

[David J Brooks]

for some reason my K-5 has started to shoot in high frames mode. I
have checked my settings, those that i can find, and everything seems
to be set on one frame shooting.

Anything i'm missing

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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[Larry Colen]

I have been thinking of posting a related question.  When you determine 
the per lens focus adjustment for a lens on one camera, does that number 
tend to work on another camera, perhaps with a slight offset.


For example if on camera 1 you have
lens A  +5
lens B  +2
lens C  -1

would you use the same numbers? Or if lens A works out to be +4, could 
you assume that the corrections would be

lens A  +4
lens B  +1
lens C  -2

Or do they end up just being totally random?


Rick Womer wrote:

I am trying to sort out soft focus on my K-5 (especially with my 16-45/4 lens), 
and would appreciate some help.

I put my camera on a tripod, used the picket fence in our back yard as a target 
(with a card with an X sticking out), and shot repeated frames with 3 lenses 
(40/2.8 Ltd, DA 16-45, and DA 50-200) using live view (LV) or viewfinder (VF) 
autofocus. The focal length of the 16-45 was set at 34mm, and the 50-200 at 
50mm.

The results:

40/2.8: FF in LV, very slight FF with VF
16-45: FF in LV, BF with VF
50-200: on target with LV and VF

Two questions:
1. I thought that the fine AF adjustment (via menu C4) did not affect Live View 
AF. Is that incorrect?
2. What the heck is going on with the 16-45?

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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[David Parsons]

The adjustments would only be similar if the two cameras were
absolutely the same.  Tolerances will be different from body to body
and lens to lens, so you'd want to calibrate each lens to each body.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com> wrote:
> I have been thinking of posting a related question.  When you determine the
> per lens focus adjustment for a lens on one camera, does that number tend to
> work on another camera, perhaps with a slight offset.
>
> For example if on camera 1 you have
> lens A  +5
> lens B  +2
> lens C  -1
>
> would you use the same numbers? Or if lens A works out to be +4, could you
> assume that the corrections would be
> lens A  +4
> lens B  +1
> lens C  -2
>
> Or do they end up just being totally random?
>
>
> Rick Womer wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to sort out soft focus on my K-5 (especially with my 16-45/4
>> lens), and would appreciate some help.
>>
>> I put my camera on a tripod, used the picket fence in our back yard as a
>> target (with a card with an X sticking out), and shot repeated frames with 3
>> lenses (40/2.8 Ltd, DA 16-45, and DA 50-200) using live view (LV) or
>> viewfinder (VF) autofocus. The focal length of the 16-45 was set at 34mm,
>> and the 50-200 at 50mm.
>>
>> The results:
>>
>> 40/2.8: FF in LV, very slight FF with VF
>> 16-45: FF in LV, BF with VF
>> 50-200: on target with LV and VF
>>
>> Two questions:
>> 1. I thought that the fine AF adjustment (via menu C4) did not affect Live
>> View AF. Is that incorrect?
>> 2. What the heck is going on with the 16-45?
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[David J Brooks]

Rick, my 16-45 seems soft on my K-5 and k10d but it was very good on
my istd. Still confused over this.

Dave

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am trying to sort out soft focus on my K-5 (especially with my 16-45/4 
> lens), and would appreciate some help.
>
> I put my camera on a tripod, used the picket fence in our back yard as a 
> target (with a card with an X sticking out), and shot repeated frames with 3 
> lenses (40/2.8 Ltd, DA 16-45, and DA 50-200) using live view (LV) or 
> viewfinder (VF) autofocus. The focal length of the 16-45 was set at 34mm, and 
> the 50-200 at 50mm.
>
> The results:
>
> 40/2.8: FF in LV, very slight FF with VF
> 16-45: FF in LV, BF with VF
> 50-200: on target with LV and VF
>
> Two questions:
> 1. I thought that the fine AF adjustment (via menu C4) did not affect Live 
> View AF. Is that incorrect?
> 2. What the heck is going on with the 16-45?
>
> Rick
>
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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[Bill]

On 3/18/2016 9:01 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

David J Brooks wrote:


On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Bill  wrote:

Gentlemen, remember that with the K5, the AF accuracy can be thrown off
tremendously by the colour of the subject.


Sort of the Donald Trump of cameras then


Mark!
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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[Bill]

I had one of the K5s that was so out of spec that nothing could fix the 
AF. I did the software upgrades, hoping that they would fix the AF, but 
it turns out the hardware was too flaky.
Mine was so bad that even in broad daylight, the AF would vary depending 
on the subject matter.
The only way I could secure reasonably accurate AF was to use live view 
and stop down to f/11.

I despised that camera.

bill


On 3/19/2016 8:43 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Well, I have done a good deal of web research and experimentation.

First, and most importantly, since I use the viewfinder for 99+
percent of my shooting, I adjusted the AF for the viewfinder for my
three most-used lenses (16-45, 40 Ltd, 50-200). It is much better,
thank you.

Second, the K-5 did, indeed, suffer from very inconsistent viewfinder
autofocus (phase detection) with different intensities and color
temperatures of light. It needed light toward the blue end of the
spectrum to focus accurately, and low-level tungsten light just made
it wet its pants. From what I read, this was partially corrected in
firmware 1.03, and corrected further in 1.15. There were hardware
changes in the K-5 II and K-3 that reportedly eliminated the problem
entirely.

Third, even though contrast-detection AF (which is what Live View
uses) is working with the image on the sensor, it also can be crazily
inaccurate for reasons that nobody seems able to explain. So, I've
decided not to worry about it.

Cheers,

Rick
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On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Igor PDML-StR <pdml...@komkon.org> wrote:



Rick,

I am not sure. I can speculate that the difference could come from:
1) method of AF (isn't it different from LV and through viewfinder, - I
forgot how it is for K5/K3).
2) number of sensor points used in the two cases.

Also, Bill (or somebody else?) mentioned in this thread that some colors can
throw off the AF. I was not aware of that.

Igor





Rick Womer wrote on Fri Mar 18 08:36:46 EDT 2016:

The strangest things about these AF experiments are:

1. Front-focusing on LiveView, which (I thought) sought to maximize the
contrast of the image on the sensor, and thus should be IN FOCUS regardless
of the lens in use; and

2. The 16-45 front-focusing with LiveView, and back-focusing with viewfinder
AF.

Thoughts?

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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[David J Brooks]

I have a hell of a time getting a decent shot from live view so no
thoughts on your problem here.

Dave

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> The strangest things about these AF experiments are:
>
> 1. Front-focusing on LiveView, which (I thought) sought to maximize the 
> contrast of the image on the sensor, and thus should be IN FOCUS regardless 
> of the lens in use; and
>
> 2. The 16-45 front-focusing with LiveView, and back-focusing with viewfinder 
> AF.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Rick
>
> On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:57 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>> I do not know what is _typical_ for different Pentax cameras and lenses, but 
>> from the general point of view, I fully agree with what  David wrote.
>>
>> Think about it this way: you have a set of deviation parameters
>> for the camera C1= {c1, c2, c3,c4, c5... }, and then a set of "coupled"
>> (sort of "reciprocal") deviations for the lens L1= {l1, l2, l3, l4, l5, ...}.
>> The number you get for each lens is an average number that sort of minimizes 
>> the combined deviations {(c1,l1),(c2,l2), (c3,l3),...}.
>> Since each of those individual parameters are essentially random,
>> for a different set C2, the way you will need to minimize the combined 
>> deviations C2*L1 could be very different from that for C1*L1.
>>
>> So, in general, yes, for the best result, you want to calibrate each lens on 
>> each camera.
>> However, I suspect that there will be some correlation. So,
>> your first scenario of calibration will give (with some good probability)
>> the result that on average [over all your lenses] is better than
>> in case you haven't adjusted the calibration at all.
>>
>> Igor
>>
>>
>> David Parsons wrote on Thu Mar 17 22:19:46 EDT 2016:
>>
>> The adjustments would only be similar if the two cameras were
>> absolutely the same.  Tolerances will be different from body to body
>> and lens to lens, so you'd want to calibrate each lens to each body.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>
>>> I have been thinking of posting a related question.  When you determine the
>>> per lens focus adjustment for a lens on one camera, does that number tend to
>>> work on another camera, perhaps with a slight offset.
>>>
>>> For example if on camera 1 you have
>>> lens A  +5
>>> lens B  +2
>>> lens C  -1
>>>
>>> would you use the same numbers? Or if lens A works out to be +4, could you
>>> assume that the corrections would be
>>> lens A  +4
>>> lens B  +1
>>> lens C  -2
>>>
>>> Or do they end up just being totally random?
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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[Rick Womer]

Well, I have done a good deal of web research and experimentation.

First, and most importantly, since I use the viewfinder for 99+
percent of my shooting, I adjusted the AF for the viewfinder for my
three most-used lenses (16-45, 40 Ltd, 50-200). It is much better,
thank you.

Second, the K-5 did, indeed, suffer from very inconsistent viewfinder
autofocus (phase detection) with different intensities and color
temperatures of light. It needed light toward the blue end of the
spectrum to focus accurately, and low-level tungsten light just made
it wet its pants. From what I read, this was partially corrected in
firmware 1.03, and corrected further in 1.15. There were hardware
changes in the K-5 II and K-3 that reportedly eliminated the problem
entirely.

Third, even though contrast-detection AF (which is what Live View
uses) is working with the image on the sensor, it also can be crazily
inaccurate for reasons that nobody seems able to explain. So, I've
decided not to worry about it.

Cheers,

Rick
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On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Igor PDML-StR <pdml...@komkon.org> wrote:
>
>
> Rick,
>
> I am not sure. I can speculate that the difference could come from:
> 1) method of AF (isn't it different from LV and through viewfinder, - I
> forgot how it is for K5/K3).
> 2) number of sensor points used in the two cases.
>
> Also, Bill (or somebody else?) mentioned in this thread that some colors can
> throw off the AF. I was not aware of that.
>
> Igor
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Womer wrote on Fri Mar 18 08:36:46 EDT 2016:
>
> The strangest things about these AF experiments are:
>
> 1. Front-focusing on LiveView, which (I thought) sought to maximize the
> contrast of the image on the sensor, and thus should be IN FOCUS regardless
> of the lens in use; and
>
> 2. The 16-45 front-focusing with LiveView, and back-focusing with viewfinder
> AF.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Rick
>
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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[Igor PDML-StR]

Rick,

I am not sure. I can speculate that the difference could come from:
1) method of AF (isn't it different from LV and through viewfinder, - I 
forgot how it is for K5/K3).

2) number of sensor points used in the two cases.

Also, Bill (or somebody else?) mentioned in this thread that some colors 
can throw off the AF. I was not aware of that.


Igor





Rick Womer wrote on Fri Mar 18 08:36:46 EDT 2016:

The strangest things about these AF experiments are:

1. Front-focusing on LiveView, which (I thought) sought to maximize the 
contrast of the image on the sensor, and thus should be IN FOCUS 
regardless of the lens in use; and


2. The 16-45 front-focusing with LiveView, and back-focusing with 
viewfinder AF.


Thoughts?

Rick


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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[Bill]

On 3/18/2016 1:51 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



Bill wrote:

Gentlemen, remember that with the K5, the AF accuracy can be thrown off
tremendously by the colour of the subject.
The AF on the K5 is like a whore turning her first trick.


It hasn't yet become jaded and bored by the whole process?






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An odd K-5 problem

[Rick Womer]

I am trying to sort out soft focus on my K-5 (especially with my 16-45/4 lens), 
and would appreciate some help.

I put my camera on a tripod, used the picket fence in our back yard as a target 
(with a card with an X sticking out), and shot repeated frames with 3 lenses 
(40/2.8 Ltd, DA 16-45, and DA 50-200) using live view (LV) or viewfinder (VF) 
autofocus. The focal length of the 16-45 was set at 34mm, and the 50-200 at 
50mm.

The results:

40/2.8: FF in LV, very slight FF with VF
16-45: FF in LV, BF with VF
50-200: on target with LV and VF

Two questions:
1. I thought that the fine AF adjustment (via menu C4) did not affect Live View 
AF. Is that incorrect?
2. What the heck is going on with the 16-45?

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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[P.J. Alling]

That's what's nice about the K-5II it's Pentax Auto Focus that mostly 
works.  Mostly.


On 3/18/2016 8:22 AM, Bill wrote:

On 3/18/2016 1:51 AM, Larry Colen wrote:



Bill wrote:

Gentlemen, remember that with the K5, the AF accuracy can be thrown off
tremendously by the colour of the subject.
The AF on the K5 is like a whore turning her first trick.


It hasn't yet become jaded and bored by the whole process?






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An odd K-5 problem

[Bipin Gupta]

Probably you know this very simple FF / BF Fine Tuning method:-
Put your camera on a sturdy tripod. In live view and a comfortable
magnification use manual focus to fine tune the focus on a suitable
object. Now change over to AF and let the camera auto focus on the
same subject.
If the lens / camera combo is perfect, that is there is no FF or BF,
then the lens focus ring should not move.

Depending upon the movement to the left or right, use the camera's
fine tuning function on a trial and error basis till there is no
movement of the focus ring.

Zoom lenses are particularly notorious and some may display both FF
and BF at various focal lengths. That is the cams in both the zoom and
focus rings have excessive play or a lens element is loose in its
mount causing it to move or jump.

I normally tune my zoom lenses at the "most used" focal length. So for
the 55-300mm it is at 300mm.
Some Photographers choose the "Buddha's Middle Path".
Thanks for reading.
Bipin.

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worry about light.

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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[Larry Colen]

Bill wrote:

Gentlemen, remember that with the K5, the AF accuracy can be thrown off
tremendously by the colour of the subject.
The AF on the K5 is like a whore turning her first trick.


It hasn't yet become jaded and bored by the whole process?





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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[David Parsons]

I noticed similar with my 16-45 and K-5.  It was my favorite lens on
my K100D Super, and on the K-5, it lost it's luster.

Most likely due to the extra 10 megapixels to see the flaws, and it
makes a tripod even more critical for clean shots.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:47 PM, David J Brooks <pentko...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick, my 16-45 seems soft on my K-5 and k10d but it was very good on
> my istd. Still confused over this.
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Rick Womer <rickpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am trying to sort out soft focus on my K-5 (especially with my 16-45/4 
>> lens), and would appreciate some help.
>>
>> I put my camera on a tripod, used the picket fence in our back yard as a 
>> target (with a card with an X sticking out), and shot repeated frames with 3 
>> lenses (40/2.8 Ltd, DA 16-45, and DA 50-200) using live view (LV) or 
>> viewfinder (VF) autofocus. The focal length of the 16-45 was set at 34mm, 
>> and the 50-200 at 50mm.
>>
>> The results:
>>
>> 40/2.8: FF in LV, very slight FF with VF
>> 16-45: FF in LV, BF with VF
>> 50-200: on target with LV and VF
>>
>> Two questions:
>> 1. I thought that the fine AF adjustment (via menu C4) did not affect Live 
>> View AF. Is that incorrect?
>> 2. What the heck is going on with the 16-45?
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[Igor PDML-StR]

MARK!

Bill wrote on Thu Mar 17 23:36:51 EDT 2016:

The AF on the K5 is like a whore turning her first trick.



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Re: An odd K-5 problem

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Gentlemen, remember that with the K5, the AF accuracy can be thrown off 
tremendously by the colour of the subject.

The AF on the K5 is like a whore turning her first trick.

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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[Igor PDML-StR]

Larry,

I do not know what is _typical_ for different Pentax cameras and lenses, 
but from the general point of view, I fully agree with what  David wrote.


Think about it this way: you have a set of deviation parameters
for the camera C1= {c1, c2, c3,c4, c5... }, and then a set of "coupled"
(sort of "reciprocal") deviations for the lens L1= {l1, l2, l3, l4, l5, ...}.
The number you get for each lens is an average number that sort 
of minimizes the combined deviations {(c1,l1),(c2,l2), (c3,l3),...}.

Since each of those individual parameters are essentially random,
for a different set C2, the way you will need to minimize the combined 
deviations C2*L1 could be very different from that for C1*L1.


So, in general, yes, for the best result, you want to calibrate each lens 
on each camera.

However, I suspect that there will be some correlation. So,
your first scenario of calibration will give (with some good probability)
the result that on average [over all your lenses] is better than
in case you haven't adjusted the calibration at all.

Igor


David Parsons wrote on Thu Mar 17 22:19:46 EDT 2016:

The adjustments would only be similar if the two cameras were
absolutely the same.  Tolerances will be different from body to body
and lens to lens, so you'd want to calibrate each lens to each body.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


I have been thinking of posting a related question.  When you determine the
per lens focus adjustment for a lens on one camera, does that number tend to
work on another camera, perhaps with a slight offset.

For example if on camera 1 you have
lens A  +5
lens B  +2
lens C  -1

would you use the same numbers? Or if lens A works out to be +4, could you
assume that the corrections would be
lens A  +4
lens B  +1
lens C  -2

Or do they end up just being totally random?


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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[David J Brooks]

On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Bill  wrote:
> Gentlemen, remember that with the K5, the AF accuracy can be thrown off
> tremendously by the colour of the subject.

Sort of the Donald Trump of cameras then

Dave
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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[Rick Womer]

The strangest things about these AF experiments are:

1. Front-focusing on LiveView, which (I thought) sought to maximize the 
contrast of the image on the sensor, and thus should be IN FOCUS regardless of 
the lens in use; and

2. The 16-45 front-focusing with LiveView, and back-focusing with viewfinder AF.

Thoughts?

Rick

On Mar 17, 2016, at 10:57 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:

> 
> Larry,
> 
> I do not know what is _typical_ for different Pentax cameras and lenses, but 
> from the general point of view, I fully agree with what  David wrote.
> 
> Think about it this way: you have a set of deviation parameters
> for the camera C1= {c1, c2, c3,c4, c5... }, and then a set of "coupled"
> (sort of "reciprocal") deviations for the lens L1= {l1, l2, l3, l4, l5, ...}.
> The number you get for each lens is an average number that sort of minimizes 
> the combined deviations {(c1,l1),(c2,l2), (c3,l3),...}.
> Since each of those individual parameters are essentially random,
> for a different set C2, the way you will need to minimize the combined 
> deviations C2*L1 could be very different from that for C1*L1.
> 
> So, in general, yes, for the best result, you want to calibrate each lens on 
> each camera.
> However, I suspect that there will be some correlation. So,
> your first scenario of calibration will give (with some good probability)
> the result that on average [over all your lenses] is better than
> in case you haven't adjusted the calibration at all.
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> David Parsons wrote on Thu Mar 17 22:19:46 EDT 2016:
> 
> The adjustments would only be similar if the two cameras were
> absolutely the same.  Tolerances will be different from body to body
> and lens to lens, so you'd want to calibrate each lens to each body.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
> 
>> I have been thinking of posting a related question.  When you determine the
>> per lens focus adjustment for a lens on one camera, does that number tend to
>> work on another camera, perhaps with a slight offset.
>> 
>> For example if on camera 1 you have
>> lens A  +5
>> lens B  +2
>> lens C  -1
>> 
>> would you use the same numbers? Or if lens A works out to be +4, could you
>> assume that the corrections would be
>> lens A  +4
>> lens B  +1
>> lens C  -2
>> 
>> Or do they end up just being totally random?
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Re: An odd K-5 problem

[John]

On 3/18/2016 8:23 AM, Bill wrote:

On 3/18/2016 9:01 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

David J Brooks wrote:


On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Bill 
wrote:

Gentlemen, remember that with the K5, the AF accuracy can be thrown off
tremendously by the colour of the subject.


Sort of the Donald Trump of cameras then


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David J Brooks wrote:

>On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:36 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> Gentlemen, remember that with the K5, the AF accuracy can be thrown off
>> tremendously by the colour of the subject.
>
>Sort of the Donald Trump of cameras then

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