K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
Has anyone found that the DNG from the K-5II/IIs works in 10.6.8 on the Mac? Since it's native to 10.7.X and the fact that my Mac can't go there I need a work around. Was musing on an upgrade from the K-20D but I don't feel like buying a new computer, too. -Brendan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Brendan MacRae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone found that the DNG from the K-5II/IIs works in 10.6.8 on the Mac? Since it's native to 10.7.X and the fact that my Mac can't go there I need a work around. Was musing on an upgrade from the K-20D but I don't feel like buying a new computer, too. Not exactly sure what you mean. The operating system version isn't generally relevant to image file formats. The DNG format has been supported on OS X since Adobe released the version of Camera Raw that processed it around 2004. You wouldn't need a new computer. You'd need appropriate software that handles the format. DNG is particularly versatile as even the latest cameras producing DNG format files can be processed by software written some time ago, in most cases. Can you articulate a little more specifically what potential incompatibility you are thinking about? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
Hi Godfrey, I'm just confused since I see that Apple updated its camera raw compatibility under Lion (update 4.04) for the K-5II. I like the fact that OSX handles DNG across the entire operating system (like hitting the spacebar to preview images, including DNG files). Is the DNG from the newer bodies still compatible with 10.6.8 this way? Has the DNG format changed in the new bodies? Since I've been using Aperture 2 for RAW processing (and can't upgrade) I'm hoping for backward compatibility. -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Brendan MacRae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone found that the DNG from the K-5II/IIs works in 10.6.8 on the Mac? Since it's native to 10.7.X and the fact that my Mac can't go there I need a work around. Was musing on an upgrade from the K-20D but I don't feel like buying a new computer, too. Not exactly sure what you mean. The operating system version isn't generally relevant to image file formats. The DNG format has been supported on OS X since Adobe released the version of Camera Raw that processed it around 2004. You wouldn't need a new computer. You'd need appropriate software that handles the format. DNG is particularly versatile as even the latest cameras producing DNG format files can be processed by software written some time ago, in most cases. Can you articulate a little more specifically what potential incompatibility you are thinking about? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Brendan MacRae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just confused since I see that Apple updated its camera raw compatibility under Lion (update 4.04) for the K-5II. I like the fact that OSX handles DNG across the entire operating system (like hitting the spacebar to preview images, including DNG files). Is the DNG from the newer bodies still compatible with 10.6.8 this way? Has the DNG format changed in the new bodies? Since I've been using Aperture 2 for RAW processing (and can't upgrade) I'm hoping for backward compatibility. I see what your issues are now ... Unfortunately, Aperture relies upon the OS X core frameworks for its raw processing, and (IIRC) will not accept image files even in DNG format for which the core frameworks have not been updated. To use the new frameworks, you'll need the latest OS X and Aperture versions. Of course, you could see if you can get a K5II DNG file from someone and test it out, but I suspect that you'll have to do something different from what you have been doing. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Brendan MacRae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just confused since I see that Apple updated its camera raw compatibility under Lion (update 4.04) for the K-5II. I like the fact that OSX handles DNG across the entire operating system (like hitting the spacebar to preview images, including DNG files). Is the DNG from the newer bodies still compatible with 10.6.8 this way? Has the DNG format changed in the new bodies? Since I've been using Aperture 2 for RAW processing (and can't upgrade) I'm hoping for backward compatibility. Unfortunately, Aperture relies upon the OS X core frameworks for its raw processing, and (IIRC) will not accept image files even in DNG format for which the core frameworks have not been updated. To use the new frameworks, you'll need the latest OS X and Aperture versions. Of course, you could see if you can get a K5II DNG file from someone and test it out, but I suspect that you'll have to do something different from what you have been doing. Happy to provide DNG on request, e-mail me privately. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
DNG has not changed. No reason your older Mac shouldn't handle new DNG files. I'll send you one or more if you want to experiment. stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Brendan MacRae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just confused since I see that Apple updated its camera raw compatibility under Lion (update 4.04) for the K-5II. I like the fact that OSX handles DNG across the entire operating system (like hitting the spacebar to preview images, including DNG files). Is the DNG from the newer bodies still compatible with 10.6.8 this way? Has the DNG format changed in the new bodies? Since I've been using Aperture 2 for RAW processing (and can't upgrade) I'm hoping for backward compatibility. Unfortunately, Aperture relies upon the OS X core frameworks for its raw processing, and (IIRC) will not accept image files even in DNG format for which the core frameworks have not been updated. To use the new frameworks, you'll need the latest OS X and Aperture versions. Of course, you could see if you can get a K5II DNG file from someone and test it out, but I suspect that you'll have to do something different from what you have been doing. Happy to provide DNG on request, e-mail me privately. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
Thanks, guys. Yes, if you could a K-5II DNG to me off list it would be appreciated! -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: DNG has not changed. No reason your older Mac shouldn't handle new DNG files. I'll send you one or more if you want to experiment. stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:40 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Brendan MacRae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just confused since I see that Apple updated its camera raw compatibility under Lion (update 4.04) for the K-5II. I like the fact that OSX handles DNG across the entire operating system (like hitting the spacebar to preview images, including DNG files). Is the DNG from the newer bodies still compatible with 10.6.8 this way? Has the DNG format changed in the new bodies? Since I've been using Aperture 2 for RAW processing (and can't upgrade) I'm hoping for backward compatibility. Unfortunately, Aperture relies upon the OS X core frameworks for its raw processing, and (IIRC) will not accept image files even in DNG format for which the core frameworks have not been updated. To use the new frameworks, you'll need the latest OS X and Aperture versions. Of course, you could see if you can get a K5II DNG file from someone and test it out, but I suspect that you'll have to do something different from what you have been doing. Happy to provide DNG on request, e-mail me privately. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
On Sep 8, 2013, at 13:10 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Brendan MacRae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just confused since I see that Apple updated its camera raw compatibility under Lion (update 4.04) for the K-5II. I like the fact that OSX handles DNG across the entire operating system (like hitting the spacebar to preview images, including DNG files). Is the DNG from the newer bodies still compatible with 10.6.8 this way? Has the DNG format changed in the new bodies? Since I've been using Aperture 2 for RAW processing (and can't upgrade) I'm hoping for backward compatibility. I see what your issues are now ... Unfortunately, Aperture relies upon the OS X core frameworks for its raw processing, and (IIRC) will not accept image files even in DNG format for which the core frameworks have not been updated. To use the new frameworks, you'll need the latest OS X and Aperture versions. Of course, you could see if you can get a K5II DNG file from someone and test it out, but I suspect that you'll have to do something different from what you have been doing. I've been running OSX 10.6.8 for years, and Aperture 3 works fine. I'm at 3.0.3 now. It and my 24 2008 iMac get along fine with any and all DNGs I throw at it. But I don't have a K5 II, just a K5. It should make no difference as DNG format is universal. Pentax/Ricoh cannot just change it for their cameras. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
Thanks, Joseph. That's really interesting since I thought Aperture 3 required Lion? Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 13:10 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:20 PM, Brendan MacRae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm just confused since I see that Apple updated its camera raw compatibility under Lion (update 4.04) for the K-5II. I like the fact that OSX handles DNG across the entire operating system (like hitting the spacebar to preview images, including DNG files). Is the DNG from the newer bodies still compatible with 10.6.8 this way? Has the DNG format changed in the new bodies? Since I've been using Aperture 2 for RAW processing (and can't upgrade) I'm hoping for backward compatibility. I see what your issues are now ... Unfortunately, Aperture relies upon the OS X core frameworks for its raw processing, and (IIRC) will not accept image files even in DNG format for which the core frameworks have not been updated. To use the new frameworks, you'll need the latest OS X and Aperture versions. Of course, you could see if you can get a K5II DNG file from someone and test it out, but I suspect that you'll have to do something different from what you have been doing. I've been running OSX 10.6.8 for years, and Aperture 3 works fine. I'm at 3.0.3 now. It and my 24 2008 iMac get along fine with any and all DNGs I throw at it. But I don't have a K5 II, just a K5. It should make no difference as DNG format is universal. Pentax/Ricoh cannot just change it for their cameras. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: I've been running OSX 10.6.8 for years, and Aperture 3 works fine. I'm at 3.0.3 now. It and my 24 2008 iMac get along fine with any and all DNGs I throw at it. But I don't have a K5 II, just a K5. It should make no difference as DNG format is universal. Pentax/Ricoh cannot just change it for their cameras. The potential problem is that Aperture used to restrict opening DNG files to cameras for which the OS X core frameworks had been updated with a calibration profile, not that DNG has/had changed. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
Nice to know that the format still works with my older set up. Now, how can I get a copy of Aperture 3 . . . Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: I've been running OSX 10.6.8 for years, and Aperture 3 works fine. I'm at 3.0.3 now. It and my 24 2008 iMac get along fine with any and all DNGs I throw at it. But I don't have a K5 II, just a K5. It should make no difference as DNG format is universal. Pentax/Ricoh cannot just change it for their cameras. The potential problem is that Aperture used to restrict opening DNG files to cameras for which the OS X core frameworks had been updated with a calibration profile, not that DNG has/had changed. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
I've sent you a link to a K-5ii DNG file so you can do a test on your current system . . . stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Nice to know that the format still works with my older set up. Now, how can I get a copy of Aperture 3 . . . Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: I've been running OSX 10.6.8 for years, and Aperture 3 works fine. I'm at 3.0.3 now. It and my 24 2008 iMac get along fine with any and all DNGs I throw at it. But I don't have a K5 II, just a K5. It should make no difference as DNG format is universal. Pentax/Ricoh cannot just change it for their cameras. The potential problem is that Aperture used to restrict opening DNG files to cameras for which the OS X core frameworks had been updated with a calibration profile, not that DNG has/had changed. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
Got it and replied. :-) Thanks for your help, BTW. Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: I've sent you a link to a K-5ii DNG file so you can do a test on your current system . . . stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:24 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote: Nice to know that the format still works with my older set up. Now, how can I get a copy of Aperture 3 . . . Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 4:29 PM, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote: I've been running OSX 10.6.8 for years, and Aperture 3 works fine. I'm at 3.0.3 now. It and my 24 2008 iMac get along fine with any and all DNGs I throw at it. But I don't have a K5 II, just a K5. It should make no difference as DNG format is universal. Pentax/Ricoh cannot just change it for their cameras. The potential problem is that Aperture used to restrict opening DNG files to cameras for which the OS X core frameworks had been updated with a calibration profile, not that DNG has/had changed. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
