Re: LED on camera light
Ken, there's no comparison between the smaller LED light units and a hotshoe flash; the flash is many stops brighter. I compared my 160-LED unit with an AF540 flash using a lightmeter and got this: LED full brightness at 2 feet: F4.0 (125th sec, ISO 200) AF540FGZ (zoomed all the way) 1/1 at 2 feet: F90 1/64 at 2 feet: F11 F90 is not a typo. Focused flash is very bright. On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:01 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Thanks Mark. I can't find the GN for the unit I ordered so I'll have to see how it performs for myself. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net Subject: Re: LED on camera light HI Ken - I bought a Bolt VM-110 LED Ringllight for macro work earlier this year. I have to say that I found it to be of marginal use for outdoor macros. It says it is GN 15' @ ISO 100. I figured that would be bright enough but it falls short even for fill light in bright sun. By contrast, the relatively low powered AF360FGZ is GN 98.5 @ ISO 100. Not sure of the GN on those models you are considering. I bought the Bolt to use with the Q. One of its limitations is that when using a lens without a leaf shutter, the body can only synch the electronic shutter with a flash at 1/3rd of a second. I got the Bolt light in hopes of circumventing this limitation when using the K mount adapter, but it is of limited use. Mark On 10/24/2013 5:03 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: LED on camera light
MPO - I use an LED light source off camera mounted next to a Pentax 540. Seems the birds at my feeders prefer a constant light (faster AF too!) with an occasional flash than a flash out of the dimness. Best sky colors are at dawn and setting sun. Don't ask to see examples. Working on being competent. Hey Dave, is that a wooden or cushioned easy chair you sit in awaiting a Jay to pose for you? :) :) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com On Oct 28, 2013, at 15:26 , Bruce Walker wrote: Ken, there's no comparison between the smaller LED light units and a hotshoe flash; the flash is many stops brighter. I compared my 160-LED unit with an AF540 flash using a lightmeter and got this: LED full brightness at 2 feet: F4.0 (125th sec, ISO 200) AF540FGZ (zoomed all the way) 1/1 at 2 feet: F90 1/64 at 2 feet: F11 F90 is not a typo. Focused flash is very bright. On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:01 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Thanks Mark. I can't find the GN for the unit I ordered so I'll have to see how it performs for myself. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net Subject: Re: LED on camera light -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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HI Ken - I bought a Bolt VM-110 LED Ringllight for macro work earlier this year. I have to say that I found it to be of marginal use for outdoor macros. It says it is GN 15' @ ISO 100. I figured that would be bright enough but it falls short even for fill light in bright sun. By contrast, the relatively low powered AF360FGZ is GN 98.5 @ ISO 100. Not sure of the GN on those models you are considering. I bought the Bolt to use with the Q. One of its limitations is that when using a lens without a leaf shutter, the body can only synch the electronic shutter with a flash at 1/3rd of a second. I got the Bolt light in hopes of circumventing this limitation when using the K mount adapter, but it is of limited use. Mark On 10/24/2013 5:03 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: LED on camera light
Thanks Mark. I can't find the GN for the unit I ordered so I'll have to see how it performs for myself. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net Subject: Re: LED on camera light HI Ken - I bought a Bolt VM-110 LED Ringllight for macro work earlier this year. I have to say that I found it to be of marginal use for outdoor macros. It says it is GN 15' @ ISO 100. I figured that would be bright enough but it falls short even for fill light in bright sun. By contrast, the relatively low powered AF360FGZ is GN 98.5 @ ISO 100. Not sure of the GN on those models you are considering. I bought the Bolt to use with the Q. One of its limitations is that when using a lens without a leaf shutter, the body can only synch the electronic shutter with a flash at 1/3rd of a second. I got the Bolt light in hopes of circumventing this limitation when using the K mount adapter, but it is of limited use. Mark On 10/24/2013 5:03 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have the same one as Igor (Neewer CN-160). So far, I'm quite pleased with its performance; it throws lots of light at full power. The foot isn't any worse than that of most speedlights on the market. I haven't had any trouble with mounting it to the hot shoe or my bracket. Yonnie On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Hi Ken, About 1.5 years ago, I was considering different LED light panels like the one you are asking about. (See this thread: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2012-April/311643.html and the next 3 messages that follows via the Next link) I finally decided on Neewer CN-160, from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004VC8M3K/ It can take a rechargeable Li-ion battery (IIRC, even more than one type), or 6 AA, which can be a backup option (never had to use it yet.) I bought an eForcity NP-F550-compatible (NP-FM500H) battery (2500 mAh or 18.5 Wh): http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E7XM68/ or http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001MW91J6 (I used this listing of the product) The charger is also by eForcity: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045TKC7S/ It is small and can be plugged into a wall outlet or a car 12-V socket. The battery lasts for rather long time, and the panel has a 4- of 5- red LED indicators that show the level of the battery charge. This light panel (made in China) is considerably cheaper than some other panels sold at BH. As Paul said, the foot that goes into the hot-shoe is not perfect, but it is OK. I like the fact that it is dimable: sometimes I dim it when it produces too much light: especially when either the object is too reflective or when it is not a posed shot, and straight into the face). One feature is that it is a rather focused light, i.e. the cone is not very wide. It is comparable to the angle of view of somewhere between 35mm and 50mm lens mounted on K-5. I don't know about other LED light panels. I used it for both video and still photography, both for my baby/toddler and for some event shooting (physics festival, social dance performance). Unfortunately, I don't have any of those online to show. I hope this helps. Igor On Oct 24, 2013, at 7:25 PM, kwaller at peoplepc.com wrote: Paul, do you see a need for dimming. I'm thinking about the Genaray 5300 because it is dimmable. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net Subject: Re: LED on camera light Hi Ken, I have a Genaray LED light. Mine is similar to the 7100T but has variable beam width rather than variable color. I use it mainly for video. I shot the in-car video of that Shadow hot rod for the Times with it. Works well for that. I have also used it for fill light when shooting at dusk. I like everything except the hot shoe mount which is kind of flimsy I both the Sony L-Series battery for it. Gives it plenty of power for a long time. Best, Paul On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:03 PM, kwaller at peoplepc.com wrote: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: LED on camera light
Ditto. Great bang for the buck. Comes with colour temp. correction gels too; bonus! On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Yolanda Rowe ypr...@gmail.com wrote: I have the same one as Igor (Neewer CN-160). So far, I'm quite pleased with its performance; it throws lots of light at full power. The foot isn't any worse than that of most speedlights on the market. I haven't had any trouble with mounting it to the hot shoe or my bracket. Yonnie On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Hi Ken, About 1.5 years ago, I was considering different LED light panels like the one you are asking about. (See this thread: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2012-April/311643.html and the next 3 messages that follows via the Next link) I finally decided on Neewer CN-160, from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004VC8M3K/ It can take a rechargeable Li-ion battery (IIRC, even more than one type), or 6 AA, which can be a backup option (never had to use it yet.) I bought an eForcity NP-F550-compatible (NP-FM500H) battery (2500 mAh or 18.5 Wh): http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E7XM68/ or http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001MW91J6 (I used this listing of the product) The charger is also by eForcity: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045TKC7S/ It is small and can be plugged into a wall outlet or a car 12-V socket. The battery lasts for rather long time, and the panel has a 4- of 5- red LED indicators that show the level of the battery charge. This light panel (made in China) is considerably cheaper than some other panels sold at BH. As Paul said, the foot that goes into the hot-shoe is not perfect, but it is OK. I like the fact that it is dimable: sometimes I dim it when it produces too much light: especially when either the object is too reflective or when it is not a posed shot, and straight into the face). One feature is that it is a rather focused light, i.e. the cone is not very wide. It is comparable to the angle of view of somewhere between 35mm and 50mm lens mounted on K-5. I don't know about other LED light panels. I used it for both video and still photography, both for my baby/toddler and for some event shooting (physics festival, social dance performance). Unfortunately, I don't have any of those online to show. I hope this helps. Igor On Oct 24, 2013, at 7:25 PM, kwaller at peoplepc.com wrote: Paul, do you see a need for dimming. I'm thinking about the Genaray 5300 because it is dimmable. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net Subject: Re: LED on camera light Hi Ken, I have a Genaray LED light. Mine is similar to the 7100T but has variable beam width rather than variable color. I use it mainly for video. I shot the in-car video of that Shadow hot rod for the Times with it. Works well for that. I have also used it for fill light when shooting at dusk. I like everything except the hot shoe mount which is kind of flimsy I both the Sony L-Series battery for it. Gives it plenty of power for a long time. Best, Paul On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:03 PM, kwaller at peoplepc.com wrote: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
LED on camera light
Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Ken, I have a Genaray LED light. Mine is similar to the 7100T but has variable beam width rather than variable color. I use it mainly for video. I shot the in-car video of that Shadow hot rod for the Times with it. Works well for that. I have also used it for fill light when shooting at dusk. I like everything except the hot shoe mount which is kind of flimsy I both the Sony L-Series battery for it. Gives it plenty of power for a long time. Best, Paul On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:03 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Meant to say, I bought the Sony L-Series battery for it. On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Ken, I have a Genaray LED light. Mine is similar to the 7100T but has variable beam width rather than variable color. I use it mainly for video. I shot the in-car video of that Shadow hot rod for the Times with it. Works well for that. I have also used it for fill light when shooting at dusk. I like everything except the hot shoe mount which is kind of flimsy I both the Sony L-Series battery for it. Gives it plenty of power for a long time. Best, Paul On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:03 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 24/10/13, kwal...@peoplepc.com, discombobulated, unleashed: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_- Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. You'd be surprised as to how much light these little things put out - quite impressive. I got an LED video light about 4 years ago. Metal body with dimmer switch, powered by main camera battery, never had a problem with it and used every day. http://www.adorama.com/SWTS2010.html Mine is quite narrow field of coverage, but I wanted more intensity in a smaller area - even okay for filling in shadows outside in daylight. YMMV... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --www.seeingeye.tv _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: LED on camera light
Paul, do you see a need for dimming. I'm thinking about the Genaray 5300 because it is dimmable. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: LED on camera light Hi Ken, I have a Genaray LED light. Mine is similar to the 7100T but has variable beam width rather than variable color. I use it mainly for video. I shot the in-car video of that Shadow hot rod for the Times with it. Works well for that. I have also used it for fill light when shooting at dusk. I like everything except the hot shoe mount which is kind of flimsy I both the Sony L-Series battery for it. Gives it plenty of power for a long time. Best, Paul On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:03 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mine is dimmable, but I've always used it at full power. Just looked, it' s not Genaray, it's a Gisteq F-198a. Appears identical to the Genaray. Paul via phone On Oct 24, 2013, at 7:25 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Paul, do you see a need for dimming. I'm thinking about the Genaray 5300 because it is dimmable. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Re: LED on camera light Hi Ken, I have a Genaray LED light. Mine is similar to the 7100T but has variable beam width rather than variable color. I use it mainly for video. I shot the in-car video of that Shadow hot rod for the Times with it. Works well for that. I have also used it for fill light when shooting at dusk. I like everything except the hot shoe mount which is kind of flimsy I both the Sony L-Series battery for it. Gives it plenty of power for a long time. Best, Paul On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:03 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hi Ken, About 1.5 years ago, I was considering different LED light panels like the one you are asking about. (See this thread: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2012-April/311643.html and the next 3 messages that follows via the Next link) I finally decided on Neewer CN-160, from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004VC8M3K/ It can take a rechargeable Li-ion battery (IIRC, even more than one type), or 6 AA, which can be a backup option (never had to use it yet.) I bought an eForcity NP-F550-compatible (NP-FM500H) battery (2500 mAh or 18.5 Wh): http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E7XM68/ or http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001MW91J6 (I used this listing of the product) The charger is also by eForcity: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045TKC7S/ It is small and can be plugged into a wall outlet or a car 12-V socket. The battery lasts for rather long time, and the panel has a 4- of 5- red LED indicators that show the level of the battery charge. This light panel (made in China) is considerably cheaper than some other panels sold at BH. As Paul said, the foot that goes into the hot-shoe is not perfect, but it is OK. I like the fact that it is dimable: sometimes I dim it when it produces too much light: especially when either the object is too reflective or when it is not a posed shot, and straight into the face). One feature is that it is a rather focused light, i.e. the cone is not very wide. It is comparable to the angle of view of somewhere between 35mm and 50mm lens mounted on K-5. I don't know about other LED light panels. I used it for both video and still photography, both for my baby/toddler and for some event shooting (physics festival, social dance performance). Unfortunately, I don't have any of those online to show. I hope this helps. Igor On Oct 24, 2013, at 7:25 PM, kwaller at peoplepc.com wrote: Paul, do you see a need for dimming. I'm thinking about the Genaray 5300 because it is dimmable. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist pnstenquist at comcast.net Subject: Re: LED on camera light Hi Ken, I have a Genaray LED light. Mine is similar to the 7100T but has variable beam width rather than variable color. I use it mainly for video. I shot the in-car video of that Shadow hot rod for the Times with it. Works well for that. I have also used it for fill light when shooting at dusk. I like everything except the hot shoe mount which is kind of flimsy I both the Sony L-Series battery for it. Gives it plenty of power for a long time. Best, Paul On Oct 24, 2013, at 5:03 PM, kwaller at peoplepc.com wrote: Any comments/experiences with these http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/GENARAY_LIGHTING/ci/22497/N/4011740623/ap/Y?cm_mmc=EML-_-Promotion_PhotoPlus102413-_-131024-_-Body_Retail_Genaray-On-Camera-LED-Lighting I'm thinking about using it in outdoor macro situations. Kenneth Waller -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
