Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?
Colin, I could get a couple APX100. You'd be interested if I can get some more? Out of date of course but not by much. 2011/4/1 Collin Brendemuehl coll...@brendemuehl.net: At 08:06 PM 3/31/2011, you wrote: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:23:32 -0400 From: John Graves jh.gra...@verizon.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: More films going the way of the dodo ? Message-ID: 4d950cf4.6060...@verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed BUT: I have rediscovered film and much to my surprise, I can get what appears to be a close clone of Plus-X and Tri-x at a better price. H. I think I have to dig out my older pentaxes and give this a try. Yes, by all means. Also Kentmere has a bargain ASA 100 400 film that is getting some good reviews. I miss APX films, esp. APX100. As I get older this urge to return gets stronger. Some days I also feel like a tortoise. John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net KC8TKA Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl http://kerygmainstitute.org He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?
A pity :( I'm sorry I got at least partialy good informations. 2011/3/17 Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au: On 16/03/2011 8:32 AM, Thibouille wrote: Maybe someone could check if he has insider informations ? My reseller told me that although not official yet, Fuji is stopping Neopan 400/1600 (100 still around for now). Fuji APS-C (ouch, I meant APS) film is dead. Kodak still left with APS but at about 10 euros per film (!!) (or was that the opposite?). Almost all slides film is going dodo as well. If anyone needs such film, it may be a good idea to grab a bunch of'em. Only 120 and the shorter 135 rolls for now. http://www.japanexposures.com/2010/02/26/fujifilm-to-reorganize-film-lineup/ But you are right. Grab 'em and shoot 'em http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/11/11_03/11_03_neopan/index.htm -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?
The bottom line is that more films *are* going the way of the dodo and we can expect that to continue. My friends at the George Eastman House get their information straight from Kodak and when I was there for the platinum print workshop last fall they were lamenting about the film discontinuations to come. What's happening is that Kodak now loses money on still photography film: The only thing keeping them in the film business is the motion picture industry. (This is exactly the reverse of the situation years ago, when the consumer film side of their business supported the motion picture film side.) When the movie industry goes to electronic distribution - and they're working hard on it - is when the axe will really come down hard on film. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?
The bottom line is that more films *are* going the way of the dodo and we can expect that to continue. My friends at the George Eastman House get their information straight from Kodak and when I was there for the platinum print workshop last fall they were lamenting about the film discontinuations to come. What's happening is that Kodak now loses money on still photography film: The only thing keeping them in the film business is the motion picture industry. (This is exactly the reverse of the situation years ago, when the consumer film side of their business supported the motion picture film side.) When the movie industry goes to electronic distribution - and they're working hard on it - is when the axe will really come down hard on film. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com A couple of years ago we went to a movie @ the local Rave theater. They used DLP projectors. The display was so jerky that it gave the wife a headache and I found it downright unappealing. But 2 weeks ago we went there to see The Adjustment Bureau and their new digital projectors are not so objectionable. Smooth frame transitions and thus no headaches or other ill effects. Pleasant. The new gen of projectors is quite nice and that leave film only for shooting editing, after which all else is digital. I expect that within 5 years all theaters will have some new digital projector. Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl http://kerygmainstitute.org He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?
You could well be buying the real thing. Kodak, which in the past was loath to sell their films in off brands, is now apparently packaging some of their films for other brands. I think ARISTA Premium 400 was re-branded TRI-X a couple of years ago. The exposure and development times seemed to be identical. That might be true today, and at 1/2 the cost of Tri-X, (Freestyle Photo), a bargain. On 3/31/2011 7:23 PM, John Graves wrote: BUT: I have rediscovered film and much to my surprise, I can get what appears to be a close clone of Plus-X and Tri-x at a better price. I think I have to dig out my older pentaxes and give this a try. Also Kentmere has a bargain ASA 100 400 film that is getting some good reviews. As I get older this urge to return gets stronger. John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net On 3/15/2011 5:32 PM, Thibouille wrote: Maybe someone could check if he has insider informations ? My reseller told me that although not official yet, Fuji is stopping Neopan 400/1600 (100 still around for now). Fuji APS-C (ouch, I meant APS) film is dead. Kodak still left with APS but at about 10 euros per film (!!) (or was that the opposite?). Almost all slides film is going dodo as well. If anyone needs such film, it may be a good idea to grab a bunch of'em. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?
BUT: I have rediscovered film and much to my surprise, I can get what appears to be a close clone of Plus-X and Tri-x at a better price. I think I have to dig out my older pentaxes and give this a try. Also Kentmere has a bargain ASA 100 400 film that is getting some good reviews. As I get older this urge to return gets stronger. John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net On 3/15/2011 5:32 PM, Thibouille wrote: Maybe someone could check if he has insider informations ? My reseller told me that although not official yet, Fuji is stopping Neopan 400/1600 (100 still around for now). Fuji APS-C (ouch, I meant APS) film is dead. Kodak still left with APS but at about 10 euros per film (!!) (or was that the opposite?). Almost all slides film is going dodo as well. If anyone needs such film, it may be a good idea to grab a bunch of'em. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?
At 08:06 PM 3/31/2011, you wrote: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 19:23:32 -0400 From: John Graves jh.gra...@verizon.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: More films going the way of the dodo ? Message-ID: 4d950cf4.6060...@verizon.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed BUT: I have rediscovered film and much to my surprise, I can get what appears to be a close clone of Plus-X and Tri-x at a better price. H. I think I have to dig out my older pentaxes and give this a try. Yes, by all means. Also Kentmere has a bargain ASA 100 400 film that is getting some good reviews. I miss APX films, esp. APX100. As I get older this urge to return gets stronger. Some days I also feel like a tortoise. John Graves WA1JG jh.gra...@verizon.net KC8TKA Sincerely, Collin Brendemuehl http://kerygmainstitute.org He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose -- Jim Elliott -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?
On 16/03/2011 8:32 AM, Thibouille wrote: Maybe someone could check if he has insider informations ? My reseller told me that although not official yet, Fuji is stopping Neopan 400/1600 (100 still around for now). Fuji APS-C (ouch, I meant APS) film is dead. Kodak still left with APS but at about 10 euros per film (!!) (or was that the opposite?). Almost all slides film is going dodo as well. If anyone needs such film, it may be a good idea to grab a bunch of'em. Only 120 and the shorter 135 rolls for now. http://www.japanexposures.com/2010/02/26/fujifilm-to-reorganize-film-lineup/ But you are right. Grab 'em and shoot 'em http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/11/11_03/11_03_neopan/index.htm -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pull quote: the best way to ensure long-term availability of film is to continue shooting it! I stopped shooting film because reasonably competent processing disappeared. The chemicals to process the film will be unavailable before your stocks are depleted. On 3/17/2011 6:47 AM, Derby Chang wrote: On 16/03/2011 8:32 AM, Thibouille wrote: Maybe someone could check if he has insider informations ? My reseller told me that although not official yet, Fuji is stopping Neopan 400/1600 (100 still around for now). Fuji APS-C (ouch, I meant APS) film is dead. Kodak still left with APS but at about 10 euros per film (!!) (or was that the opposite?). Almost all slides film is going dodo as well. If anyone needs such film, it may be a good idea to grab a bunch of'em. Only 120 and the shorter 135 rolls for now. http://www.japanexposures.com/2010/02/26/fujifilm-to-reorganize-film-lineup/ But you are right. Grab 'em and shoot 'em http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/11/11_03/11_03_neopan/index.htm -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Hunt It was probably one of the times I wasn't much fun to interact with. Like that time the universe was expanding. is there a smiley for belly laugh, or do I have go all ///Boris///? B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/16/2011 10:52 AM, Bob W wrote: is there a smiley for belly laugh, or do I have go all ///Boris///? B The answer is obviously - yes! B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: Some places do so-called 'shoebox scanning' for people. That must be a soul-destroying job. BTW: If any PDML members need basic slide scanning done, I have a Minolta Scan Multi II with a 50-slide batch feeder. It's 2880 dpi and had no dust/scratch removal, but it should be more than good enough for basic archiving - about 10 megapixels. Say 50 cents per slide. Extra if you want soul destruction as well :) -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: More films going the way of the dodo ?
Wait, you're an academic, your soul has already been destroyed. On 3/16/2011 8:04 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Some places do so-called 'shoebox scanning' for people. That must be a soul-destroying job. BTW: If any PDML members need basic slide scanning done, I have a Minolta Scan Multi II with a 50-slide batch feeder. It's 2880 dpi and had no dust/scratch removal, but it should be more than good enough for basic archiving - about 10 megapixels. Say 50 cents per slide. Extra if you want soul destruction as well :) -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What soul? -Original Message- From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:55:31 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: More films going the way of the dodo ? Wait, you're an academic, your soul has already been destroyed. On 3/16/2011 8:04 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: Some places do so-called 'shoebox scanning' for people. That must be a soul-destroying job. BTW: If any PDML members need basic slide scanning done, I have a Minolta Scan Multi II with a 50-slide batch feeder. It's 2880 dpi and had no dust/scratch removal, but it should be more than good enough for basic archiving - about 10 megapixels. Say 50 cents per slide. Extra if you want soul destruction as well :) -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
More films going the way of the dodo ?
Maybe someone could check if he has insider informations ? My reseller told me that although not official yet, Fuji is stopping Neopan 400/1600 (100 still around for now). Fuji APS-C (ouch, I meant APS) film is dead. Kodak still left with APS but at about 10 euros per film (!!) (or was that the opposite?). Almost all slides film is going dodo as well. If anyone needs such film, it may be a good idea to grab a bunch of'em. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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E-6 Slide film can be processed at home, but if slide film is discontinued, I doubt very much that chemicals to process it will be available commercially either. I might take a shot at making my own BW chemicals but Color? I've processed small batches of E-6. I'd not be happy trying to make the chemicals before I processed it. Sadly I kind of thought slide film would last longer. You really can't duplicate some of the uses for slides for high projected images at any kind of reasonable price in digital. Sure you can get a digital projector and display pretty good quality images, but a well exposed and processed 35mm slide in a fairly cheap projector will still blow away any but the most expensive digital projection system for image quality. If you only need to project slides occasionally it's a no brainer. I guess that option will soon be no more. On 3/15/2011 5:32 PM, Thibouille wrote: Maybe someone could check if he has insider informations ? My reseller told me that although not official yet, Fuji is stopping Neopan 400/1600 (100 still around for now). Fuji APS-C (ouch, I meant APS) film is dead. Kodak still left with APS but at about 10 euros per film (!!) (or was that the opposite?). Almost all slides film is going dodo as well. If anyone needs such film, it may be a good idea to grab a bunch of'em. -- Where's the Kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom! --Marvin the Martian. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The rest of the slide ecosystem is almost gone too. Ever tried to find a slide projector for sale new? My wife occasionally gives horticulture talks and has a couple of dozen preloaded carousels of slides, so I'm the official maintainer of our two very cranky Kodak Carousel projectors. Sometimes we borrow one from our neighbor when I can't get either of ours to advance. Kodak was kind enough to put PDFs of the service manuals up on their site, so I have a fighting chance. But parts are drying up, and bulbs are expensive as hell. One of these days it'll be a new LCD projector and days of slide scanning. :-( -bmw On 11-03-15 5:58 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: E-6 Slide film can be processed at home, but if slide film is discontinued, I doubt very much that chemicals to process it will be available commercially either. I might take a shot at making my own BW chemicals but Color? I've processed small batches of E-6. I'd not be happy trying to make the chemicals before I processed it. Sadly I kind of thought slide film would last longer. You really can't duplicate some of the uses for slides for high projected images at any kind of reasonable price in digital. Sure you can get a digital projector and display pretty good quality images, but a well exposed and processed 35mm slide in a fairly cheap projector will still blow away any but the most expensive digital projection system for image quality. If you only need to project slides occasionally it's a no brainer. I guess that option will soon be no more. On 3/15/2011 5:32 PM, Thibouille wrote: Maybe someone could check if he has insider informations ? My reseller told me that although not official yet, Fuji is stopping Neopan 400/1600 (100 still around for now). Fuji APS-C (ouch, I meant APS) film is dead. Kodak still left with APS but at about 10 euros per film (!!) (or was that the opposite?). Almost all slides film is going dodo as well. If anyone needs such film, it may be a good idea to grab a bunch of'em. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: More films going the way of the dodo ?
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker The rest of the slide ecosystem is almost gone too. Ever tried to find a slide projector for sale new? My wife occasionally gives horticulture talks and has a couple of dozen preloaded carousels of slides, so I'm the official maintainer of our two very cranky Kodak Carousel projectors. Sometimes we borrow one from our neighbor when I can't get either of ours to advance. Kodak was kind enough to put PDFs of the service manuals up on their site, so I have a fighting chance. But parts are drying up, and bulbs are expensive as hell. One of these days it'll be a new LCD projector and days of slide scanning. :-( funny you should mention that. I've been having a bit of a clear out and found my carousel at the weekend. I'd forgotten I even had it, it's so long since I used it. I also have hundreds of envelopes of print film with negatives in that I've never catalogued. Some day I'll have to put aside some time to do that, and try to scan some of the decent stuff while I'm at it. Some places do so-called 'shoebox scanning' for people. That must be a soul-destroying job. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 15/03/2011 3:58 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: Sadly I kind of thought slide film would last longer. You really can't duplicate some of the uses for slides for high projected images at any kind of reasonable price in digital. Sure you can get a digital projector and display pretty good quality images, but a well exposed and processed 35mm slide in a fairly cheap projector will still blow away any but the most expensive digital projection system for image quality. If you only need to project slides occasionally it's a no brainer. I guess that option will soon be no more. When I was shooting more commercial stuff, it was all slide/ transparency, but this was because it was what they wanted for production. The slide show kinda morphed over to powerpoint at the same time bosses figured out that they could hand the office bitch a cheap PS camera. It's too bad, because not much can beat a projected slide for sheer grandeur. The race to the bottom takes it's toll in many ways. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 15/03/2011 5:48 PM, Bob W wrote: Some places do so-called 'shoebox scanning' for people. That must be a soul-destroying job. One time a guy brought several thousand slides (literally boxes of Carousels) in for scanning. And some idiot accepted the order. I was the only person who could get the slide scanner to behave, and so any time I had a free moment, I scanned slides. It went on for weeks. It was probably one of the times I wasn't much fun to interact with. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:15 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: It was probably one of the times I wasn't much fun to interact with. Like that time the universe was expanding. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
