Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey
True Bob Blakely wrote: You are generally correct, however: Ammunition not being available is no bar from firing any old firearm. One can always make the ammunition if one wants to, and it's usually a relatively trivial matter. I know, I've done it. Further, while ammo for certain antique firearms may not be mass produced and therefore commonly listed as unavailable, it is almost always available from small producers. One example is the 45/120 cartridge used in some Sharps rifles. The same is and will always be true for unavailable film formats - ammo for old cameras. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] The combination of old and high-quality will always have value. Collectors will always be around. So what if film completely disappears, folks still collect guns for which no ammunition has been available for a century or more. When one is young old does not mean anything because almost everything was made before you were born, but when you can begin to appreciate the years involved things become valuable just because they have lasted. Bob Blakely wrote: Do you think the Speed Graphic folks will think the same? Have you seen what one goes for in just reasonable condition? There will always be people who will remember... Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Skipped] Those great old film cameras will likely be totally forgotten by 2015, never mind 2037. [Skipped] -- Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I guess my 2 MXen do not count as I still use them. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, I've got film loaded in one of mine, but I haven't shot a frame in about a year. I really should shoot off that roll sometime, but then I'll have to get some more developer, and I've just been too lazy since HC110 has become unavailable from the local stores. graywolf wrote: I guess my 2 MXen do not count as I still use them. Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ --- -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Spotmatic K1000 MX LX --- Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Robb wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb 645n 67 LX - 7 my pick for my international travels. Occasionally I pick up one of my many screwmount cameras and put a roll through it. Cesar Panama City, Florida -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I bought it because I was planning to hitchhike around Europe with a girlfriend for a few months, and I wanted something better than my first SLR, a Zenith. Here's a picture taken with the MX of the aforementiond gf, running along a beach somewhere in the S of France (Gruissan or Cap d'Agde, I think): http://www.web-options.com/aotb.jpg I must have had a cheap tele zoom lens. The slide obviously needs cleaning. I get a 404 not found error. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I deleted it yesterday. -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gonz Sent: 11 December 2007 17:40 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Mouldering film camera survey I bought it because I was planning to hitchhike around Europe with a girlfriend for a few months, and I wanted something better than my first SLR, a Zenith. Here's a picture taken with the MX of the aforementiond gf, running along a beach somewhere in the S of France (Gruissan or Cap d'Agde, I think): http://www.web-options.com/aotb.jpg I must have had a cheap tele zoom lens. The slide obviously needs cleaning. I get a 404 not found error. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From Bojidar Dimitrov's Pentax K-Mount Page (Best authority on all things K-mount) http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/M/index.html Camera W x Hx D (mm) Wt (g) ME 131x 82.5 x 49.5460 ME Super 131.5 x 83x 49.5445 MX 135.8 x 82.5 x 49.3 495 LX 144.5 x 90.5 x 50 570 (for reference) K2 144 x 92x 57 680 (for reference) Yup, the MX is a whole 5mm (~0.169in) wider than ME. Camera Viewfinder Mag [Cov] ME 0.95 x [92%] ME Super 0.95 x [92%] MX0.97 x [95%] LX *** x [98%] (for reference) K2 0.88 x [95%] (for reference) *** Depends on viewfinder used. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Current camera classics? WAS:Re: Mouldering film camera survey I have an ME and an MX and the viewfinders are more or less the same, (both for coverage and magnification), well close enough so that criticizing one is criticizing the other. The ME is much smaller than the MX, but has many fewer controls so that might make a difference in handling.. Sandy Harris wrote: On Dec 9, 2007 1:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync. ME - Alright I thought those two were identical except manual exposure on MX, aperature priority auto on ME. What did you find so different? -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You are generally correct, however: Ammunition not being available is no bar from firing any old firearm. One can always make the ammunition if one wants to, and it's usually a relatively trivial matter. I know, I've done it. Further, while ammo for certain antique firearms may not be mass produced and therefore commonly listed as unavailable, it is almost always available from small producers. One example is the 45/120 cartridge used in some Sharps rifles. The same is and will always be true for unavailable film formats - ammo for old cameras. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] The combination of old and high-quality will always have value. Collectors will always be around. So what if film completely disappears, folks still collect guns for which no ammunition has been available for a century or more. When one is young old does not mean anything because almost everything was made before you were born, but when you can begin to appreciate the years involved things become valuable just because they have lasted. Bob Blakely wrote: Do you think the Speed Graphic folks will think the same? Have you seen what one goes for in just reasonable condition? There will always be people who will remember... Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Skipped] Those great old film cameras will likely be totally forgotten by 2015, never mind 2037. [Skipped] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Looks like MX is the most loved Pentax as there are 36 of them unused yet not sold in members' posession. There are also 41 Spotmatics and 36 ME series camera unused but it accounts for several different models I suppose. Long live MX. :-) Pawel William Robb pisze: Hear it is, kids, the results you don't want to see from a survey you didn't want to have.. I will keep score for a while longer, but the replies are slowing enough that I thought I'd post what I have... Fourty seven people decided to partake in this thing, and they have 302 Pentax 35mm and or 120 film cameras sitting in disuse. For the sake of making this fairly easy to do, I didn't break it down by camera model in every instance, but if there was a flagship at the top of the heap, I listed it seperately. I didn't bother to break down small variation changes that caused a letter to be appended to the name. Hence the PZ1 and PZ1p are in the same section. Here's the list: 5 S/H series 41 Spotmatic (all variants) 27 K series 36 ME series 25 Program plus / Super Program 33 LX 36 MX 15 P series 2 A3000 7 SF series 6 PZ-20 18 Z-1/PZ-1/p 17 MZ series 12 MZ-S 2 *ist 9 645 11 6X7 Have fun William Robb .pl, .com, .eu tylko 90 groszy! www.nazwa.pl -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/12/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: Camera W x Hx D (mm) Wt (g) ME 131x 82.5 x 49.5460 ME Super 131.5 x 83x 49.5445 MX 135.8 x 82.5 x 49.3 495 LX 144.5 x 90.5 x 50 570 (for reference) K2 144 x 92x 57 680 (for reference) Yup, the MX is a whole 5mm (~0.169in) wider than ME. OH MY GOD IT'S NOT!!! OH NO!! (with apologies to Basil Fawlty) Actually 4.8mm wider. But this does not qualify the statement that 'the MX is much wider than the ME'. That is still a wilting pile of fetid testicles. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2007 at 10:07:21AM -0800, Bob Blakely wrote: From Bojidar Dimitrov's Pentax K-Mount Page (Best authority on all things K-mount) http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/bodies/M/index.html Camera W x Hx D (mm) Wt (g) ME 131x 82.5 x 49.5460 ME Super 131.5 x 83x 49.5445 MX 135.8 x 82.5 x 49.3 495 LX 144.5 x 90.5 x 50 570 (for reference) K2 144 x 92x 57 680 (for reference) Yup, the MX is a whole 5mm (~0.169in) wider than ME. FWIW, that's about the difference between a *ist D and a DS, too. The biggest difference between the new digital bodies and the older (pre-AF) film bodies is in the depth, but most of that is because the digitals have a hand grip and a pop-up flash, both of which protrude considerably beyond the plane of the lens mount. Apart from that most of the digital bodies (excluding the K10D) are more or less the same sort of size as the M bodies; a little narrower, but also a little taller (again the pop-up flash probably accounts for some of that difference). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Cotty wrote: ... That is still a wilting pile of fetid testicles. Mark! I dunno, but that's just so gross it had me laughing until my ribs ached. :-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: ... That is still a wilting pile of fetid testicles. Mark! I dunno, but that's just so gross it had me laughing until my ribs ached. :-) The nice thing is, it's pretty interchangeable as a sentence, viz: That is still a fetid wilt of testicular piles. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Cotty wrote: ... That is still a wilting pile of fetid testicles. Mark! I dunno, but that's just so gross it had me laughing until my ribs ached. :-) Quite. I mean, a pile of fetid testicles is one thing... but a *wilting* pile of fetid testicles? That's over the top. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Dec 10, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Cotty wrote: ... That is still a wilting pile of fetid testicles. Mark! I dunno, but that's just so gross it had me laughing until my ribs ached. :-) Quite. I mean, a pile of fetid testicles is one thing... but a *wilting* pile of fetid testicles? That's over the top. I'm sure cotty has first hand experience... :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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As I said, the body of the ME exclusive of the prism housing is also shorter from top plate to base plate than the MX those measly millimeters make for very big difference in size in the hands. I've used both and while I don't have exceedingly large hands the ME is much more difficult to hold comfortably than the MX. Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, Bob Blakely, discombobulated, unleashed: Camera W x Hx D (mm) Wt (g) ME 131x 82.5 x 49.5460 ME Super 131.5 x 83x 49.5445 MX 135.8 x 82.5 x 49.3 495 LX 144.5 x 90.5 x 50 570 (for reference) K2 144 x 92x 57 680 (for reference) Yup, the MX is a whole 5mm (~0.169in) wider than ME. OH MY GOD IT'S NOT!!! OH NO!! (with apologies to Basil Fawlty) Actually 4.8mm wider. But this does not qualify the statement that 'the MX is much wider than the ME'. That is still a wilting pile of fetid testicles. -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, at least in this case one is noticeably larger than the other. But this does not qualify the statement that 'the MX is much wider than the ME'. That is still a wilting pile of fetid testicles. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:475d91c212745188609! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/12/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: As I said, the body of the ME exclusive of the prism housing is also shorter from top plate to base plate than the MX those measly millimeters make for very big difference in size in the hands. I've used both and while I don't have exceedingly large hands the ME is much more difficult to hold comfortably than the MX. peter you're just obnoxious -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It's a gift. Cotty wrote: On 10/12/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: As I said, the body of the ME exclusive of the prism housing is also shorter from top plate to base plate than the MX those measly millimeters make for very big difference in size in the hands. I've used both and while I don't have exceedingly large hands the ME is much more difficult to hold comfortably than the MX. peter you're just obnoxious -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 11, 2007 6:45 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: peter you're just obnoxious It's a gift. Mark! -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 10/12/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: It's a gift. LOL -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/12/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: The ME is much smaller than the MX, Poppycock. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 09:33:39 +, Cotty wrote On 09/12/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: The ME is much smaller than the MX, Poppycock. -- Cheers, Cotty Having owned both, the ME is slighly smaller 131 x 82.5 x 49.5 compared to the MX 135.8 x 82.5 x 49.3. Most noticeable when you're trying to fit an ME ERC to the MX body, but we're only talking a few mm. The MX has more viewfinder coverage and magnification, I personally prefer the MX viewfinder. John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In camera terms is certainly is. Look at a pair side by side sometime. Lets see. The width of an MX (side to side) is 94% of the width of an LX a camera that most everyone would admit is much bigger. (In fact the LX is damn close to the same size as that old K dinosaur the K2). The width of an ME is 96% of that of an MX, hum pretty close to the difference in size between an MX and an LX.. While it is true that the ME is front to back the same dimension as an MX, and from baseplate to to the top of the Prism housing the same height (it would have to be wouldn't it), if you look at the difference from base plate to top plate, excluding the prism housing you'll see that the difference is about the same as from side to side. (I don't have them right at hand so I can't measure them exactly). This makes a huge difference in the size, and handling. So I stand by my statement. Cotty wrote: On 09/12/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: The ME is much smaller than the MX, Poppycock. -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/12/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: Having owned both, the ME is slighly smaller 131 x 82.5 x 49.5 compared to the MX 135.8 x 82.5 x 49.3. Most noticeable when you're trying to fit an ME ERC to the MX body, but we're only talking a few mm. Exactly. The Allingator said: The ME is much smaller than the MX 4.8 mm and .2 mm on two dimensions is not *much*. :-P -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 09/12/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: Lets see. The width of an MX (side to side) is 94% of the width of an LX a camera that most everyone would admit is much bigger. (In fact the LX is damn close to the same size as that old K dinosaur the K2). The width of an ME is 96% of that of an MX, hum pretty close to the difference in size between an MX and an LX.. While it is true that the ME is front to back the same dimension as an MX, and from baseplate to to the top of the Prism housing the same height (it would have to be wouldn't it), if you look at the difference from base plate to top plate, excluding the prism housing you'll see that the difference is about the same as from side to side. (I don't have them right at hand so I can't measure them exactly). This makes a huge difference in the size, and handling. So I stand by my statement. What a load of complete bollocks. You're on a different planet mate!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The extra size and magnification of the MX (.97x at 95% instead of .95x at 92%) is enough to make the MX's too large to use comfortably. I find the ME smallish as well, but since I'm not trying to use the shutter dial it's a lot less annoying. But other than the LX, I never clicked with any of my Pentax bodies. I much prefer Nikon's film bodies. -Adam On 12/8/07, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2007 1:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync. ME - Alright I thought those two were identical except manual exposure on MX, aperature priority auto on ME. What did you find so different? -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb 645n 67 LX - 7 my pick for my international travels. Occasionally I pick up one of my many screwmount cameras and put a roll through it. Cesar Panama City, Florida -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hear it is, kids, the results you don't want to see from a survey you didn't want to have.. I will keep score for a while longer, but the replies are slowing enough that I thought I'd post what I have... Fourty seven people decided to partake in this thing, and they have 302 Pentax 35mm and or 120 film cameras sitting in disuse. For the sake of making this fairly easy to do, I didn't break it down by camera model in every instance, but if there was a flagship at the top of the heap, I listed it seperately. I didn't bother to break down small variation changes that caused a letter to be appended to the name. Hence the PZ1 and PZ1p are in the same section. Here's the list: 5 S/H series 41 Spotmatic (all variants) 27 K series 36 ME series 25 Program plus / Super Program 33 LX 36 MX 15 P series 2 A3000 7 SF series 6 PZ-20 18 Z-1/PZ-1/p 17 MZ series 12 MZ-S 2 *ist 9 645 11 6X7 Have fun William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interesting. It suggests that we aren't likely to part with our Spotmatics, but MZ-S and other recent models? Put 'em on ebay. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hear it is, kids, the results you don't want to see from a survey you didn't want to have.. I will keep score for a while longer, but the replies are slowing enough that I thought I'd post what I have... Fourty seven people decided to partake in this thing, and they have 302 Pentax 35mm and or 120 film cameras sitting in disuse. For the sake of making this fairly easy to do, I didn't break it down by camera model in every instance, but if there was a flagship at the top of the heap, I listed it seperately. I didn't bother to break down small variation changes that caused a letter to be appended to the name. Hence the PZ1 and PZ1p are in the same section. Here's the list: 5 S/H series 41 Spotmatic (all variants) 27 K series 36 ME series 25 Program plus / Super Program 33 LX 36 MX 15 P series 2 A3000 7 SF series 6 PZ-20 18 Z-1/PZ-1/p 17 MZ series 12 MZ-S 2 *ist 9 645 11 6X7 Have fun William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Or the MZ-S and other recent models are still finding use. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. It suggests that we aren't likely to part with our Spotmatics, but MZ-S and other recent models? Put 'em on ebay. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hear it is, kids, the results you don't want to see from a survey you didn't want to have.. I will keep score for a while longer, but the replies are slowing enough that I thought I'd post what I have... Fourty seven people decided to partake in this thing, and they have 302 Pentax 35mm and or 120 film cameras sitting in disuse. For the sake of making this fairly easy to do, I didn't break it down by camera model in every instance, but if there was a flagship at the top of the heap, I listed it seperately. I didn't bother to break down small variation changes that caused a letter to be appended to the name. Hence the PZ1 and PZ1p are in the same section. Here's the list: 5 S/H series 41 Spotmatic (all variants) 27 K series 36 ME series 25 Program plus / Super Program 33 LX 36 MX 15 P series 2 A3000 7 SF series 6 PZ-20 18 Z-1/PZ-1/p 17 MZ series 12 MZ-S 2 *ist 9 645 11 6X7 Have fun William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The MZ-S is the only Pentax 35mm film body I've not owned that I'd be actually tempted to get. Too bad the prices are still ridiculous (Good body, but it's priced similar to far more capable bodies of similar vintage. An EOS 1v or F5 it is not). -Adam On 12/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. It suggests that we aren't likely to part with our Spotmatics, but MZ-S and other recent models? Put 'em on ebay. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hear it is, kids, the results you don't want to see from a survey you didn't want to have.. I will keep score for a while longer, but the replies are slowing enough that I thought I'd post what I have... Fourty seven people decided to partake in this thing, and they have 302 Pentax 35mm and or 120 film cameras sitting in disuse. For the sake of making this fairly easy to do, I didn't break it down by camera model in every instance, but if there was a flagship at the top of the heap, I listed it seperately. I didn't bother to break down small variation changes that caused a letter to be appended to the name. Hence the PZ1 and PZ1p are in the same section. Here's the list: 5 S/H series 41 Spotmatic (all variants) 27 K series 36 ME series 25 Program plus / Super Program 33 LX 36 MX 15 P series 2 A3000 7 SF series 6 PZ-20 18 Z-1/PZ-1/p 17 MZ series 12 MZ-S 2 *ist 9 645 11 6X7 Have fun William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No likely. They're film cameras. Paul -- Original message -- From: Paul Crovella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or the MZ-S and other recent models are still finding use. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. It suggests that we aren't likely to part with our Spotmatics, but MZ-S and other recent models? Put 'em on ebay. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hear it is, kids, the results you don't want to see from a survey you didn't want to have.. I will keep score for a while longer, but the replies are slowing enough that I thought I'd post what I have... Fourty seven people decided to partake in this thing, and they have 302 Pentax 35mm and or 120 film cameras sitting in disuse. For the sake of making this fairly easy to do, I didn't break it down by camera model in every instance, but if there was a flagship at the top of the heap, I listed it seperately. I didn't bother to break down small variation changes that caused a letter to be appended to the name. Hence the PZ1 and PZ1p are in the same section. Here's the list: 5 S/H series 41 Spotmatic (all variants) 27 K series 36 ME series 25 Program plus / Super Program 33 LX 36 MX 15 P series 2 A3000 7 SF series 6 PZ-20 18 Z-1/PZ-1/p 17 MZ series 12 MZ-S 2 *ist 9 645 11 6X7 Have fun William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If a used MZ-S is expensive, then I'm wrong. I thought they had become somewhat disposable. I've never wanted one. Well, maybe for a minute or two when they were first released. But prior to digital, I was shooting primarily MF for a couple years. If I wanted to shoot 35mm, it was the LX or my Barnack Leica. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] The MZ-S is the only Pentax 35mm film body I've not owned that I'd be actually tempted to get. Too bad the prices are still ridiculous (Good body, but it's priced similar to far more capable bodies of similar vintage. An EOS 1v or F5 it is not). -Adam On 12/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. It suggests that we aren't likely to part with our Spotmatics, but MZ-S and other recent models? Put 'em on ebay. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hear it is, kids, the results you don't want to see from a survey you didn't want to have.. I will keep score for a while longer, but the replies are slowing enough that I thought I'd post what I have... Fourty seven people decided to partake in this thing, and they have 302 Pentax 35mm and or 120 film cameras sitting in disuse. For the sake of making this fairly easy to do, I didn't break it down by camera model in every instance, but if there was a flagship at the top of the heap, I listed it seperately. I didn't bother to break down small variation changes that caused a letter to be appended to the name. Hence the PZ1 and PZ1p are in the same section. Here's the list: 5 S/H series 41 Spotmatic (all variants) 27 K series 36 ME series 25 Program plus / Super Program 33 LX 36 MX 15 P series 2 A3000 7 SF series 6 PZ-20 18 Z-1/PZ-1/p 17 MZ series 12 MZ-S 2 *ist 9 645 11 6X7 Have fun William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 09/12/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: The ME is much smaller than the MX... Poppycock. My ME super is 3/8 less wide than my MX. However, the MX is a little taller than the Super, about 1/8. The body thicknesses seem the same. So, the ME is not as wide, but it's a little taller. Oh well. keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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They're running $5-600 for a copy in good condition, about double the cost of an F100 or EOS 3 and almost 3x the cost of a Minolta 7, all of which are more capable bodies of similar vintage. I suspect this has a lot to do with availability, as far as I'm aware, MZ-S bodies were never produced in great numbers, and even Minolta 7's are far more common (Although that's the only recent Minolta you can really say that for). -Adam On 12/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If a used MZ-S is expensive, then I'm wrong. I thought they had become somewhat disposable. I've never wanted one. Well, maybe for a minute or two when they were first released. But prior to digital, I was shooting primarily MF for a couple years. If I wanted to shoot 35mm, it was the LX or my Barnack Leica. Paul -- Original message -- From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] The MZ-S is the only Pentax 35mm film body I've not owned that I'd be actually tempted to get. Too bad the prices are still ridiculous (Good body, but it's priced similar to far more capable bodies of similar vintage. An EOS 1v or F5 it is not). -Adam On 12/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. It suggests that we aren't likely to part with our Spotmatics, but MZ-S and other recent models? Put 'em on ebay. Paul -- Original message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hear it is, kids, the results you don't want to see from a survey you didn't want to have.. I will keep score for a while longer, but the replies are slowing enough that I thought I'd post what I have... Fourty seven people decided to partake in this thing, and they have 302 Pentax 35mm and or 120 film cameras sitting in disuse. For the sake of making this fairly easy to do, I didn't break it down by camera model in every instance, but if there was a flagship at the top of the heap, I listed it seperately. I didn't bother to break down small variation changes that caused a letter to be appended to the name. Hence the PZ1 and PZ1p are in the same section. Here's the list: 5 S/H series 41 Spotmatic (all variants) 27 K series 36 ME series 25 Program plus / Super Program 33 LX 36 MX 15 P series 2 A3000 7 SF series 6 PZ-20 18 Z-1/PZ-1/p 17 MZ series 12 MZ-S 2 *ist 9 645 11 6X7 Have fun William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Not remotely the same. The MX was the last of the old school, the ME the first of the new. The lenses and eyepiece accessories were about the only thing interchangeable between them. Sandy Harris wrote: On Dec 9, 2007 1:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync. ME - Alright I thought those two were identical except manual exposure on MX, aperature priority auto on ME. What did you find so different? -- Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The combination of old and high-quality will always have value. Collectors will always be around. So what if film completely disappears, folks still collect guns for which no ammunition has been available for a century or more. When one is young old does not mean anything because almost everything was made before you were born, but when you can begin to appreciate the years involved things become valuable just because they have lasted. Bob Blakely wrote: Do you think the Speed Graphic folks will think the same? Have you seen what one goes for in just reasonable condition? There will always be people who will remember... Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Skipped] Those great old film cameras will likely be totally forgotten by 2015, never mind 2037. [Skipped] -- Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well it is as much smaller as a Leica IIIC is smaller than a Leica IIIF, about 1/8 inch in length. Cotty wrote: On 09/12/07, P. J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed: The ME is much smaller than the MX, Poppycock. -- Graywolf Website: http://www.graywolfphoto.com Blog:http://www.graywolfphoto.com/journal/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In a message dated 12/9/2007 10:18:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In camera terms is certainly is. Look at a pair side by side sometime. Lets see. The width of an MX (side to side) is 94% of the width of an LX a camera that most everyone would admit is much bigger. (In fact the LX is damn close to the same size as that old K dinosaur the K2). The width of an ME is 96% of that of an MX, hum pretty close to the difference in size between an MX and an LX.. While it is true that the ME is front to back the same dimension as an MX, and from baseplate to to the top of the Prism housing the same height (it would have to be wouldn't it), if you look at the difference from base plate to top plate, excluding the prism housing you'll see that the difference is about the same as from side to side. (I don't have them right at hand so I can't measure them exactly). This makes a huge difference in the size, and handling. So I stand by my statement. = I just got a headache. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync. ME - Alright ME Super - Horrid UI. KX, big, heavy. Super Program - see ME Super LX - Real nice camera, needs grip+winder to be comfortable to shoot. The LX is the only one of the lot I'd ever consider owning. Prefer my K10D to any Pentax 35mm film body I've ever tried. Pentax and ergonomics were not in the same universe for most of their bodies (I've never tried an M-S though, and the LX ain't bad with a grip added). -Adam On 12/7/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are absolutely right Cory. The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away. The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands. The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires. The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school. I feel like a pro with the little MX. And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so nimble and flexible. Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5 fps winder. Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to. Regards, Bob S. On Dec 7, 2007 3:08 PM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey, you view is certainly logical, if a bit dispassionate. I tend to impart a soul and personality to my possessions (and indeed items I want but will never own for lack of funds). I'm wondering if you had posters of cars, bikes or whatever on your walls as a teenager. I admire gadgets and equipment. I'm sure I give them more importance than they're really worth. I guess my point with the post was to say that nobody will have any of the current crop of digital cameras in five to ten years time. We'll have dumped them for newer models or binned them because they're dead and cannot be repaired. And to contrast that with the thread about cameras we own and can't quite bring ourselves to sell even if we're not using them is interesting God help the poor prat who tries to send Pentax his K10 for service or even a CLA in 2015 let alone 2037. Cory I have a Super Program and a beautiful black MX that don't see enough use. - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Old things are interesting because they're old and remind us of good times of the past we had with them, using them. It has nothing to do with whether they were designed to last 30 years or not. But then I'm a robotnik. Cameras are tools. It's the photographs which make me nostalgic. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Big hands Adam? Regards, Bob S. On Dec 8, 2007 11:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync. ME - Alright ME Super - Horrid UI. KX, big, heavy. Super Program - see ME Super LX - Real nice camera, needs grip+winder to be comfortable to shoot. The LX is the only one of the lot I'd ever consider owning. Prefer my K10D to any Pentax 35mm film body I've ever tried. Pentax and ergonomics were not in the same universe for most of their bodies (I've never tried an M-S though, and the LX ain't bad with a grip added). -Adam On 12/7/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are absolutely right Cory. The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away. The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands. The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires. The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school. I feel like a pro with the little MX. And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so nimble and flexible. Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5 fps winder. Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to. Regards, Bob S. On Dec 7, 2007 3:08 PM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey, you view is certainly logical, if a bit dispassionate. I tend to impart a soul and personality to my possessions (and indeed items I want but will never own for lack of funds). I'm wondering if you had posters of cars, bikes or whatever on your walls as a teenager. I admire gadgets and equipment. I'm sure I give them more importance than they're really worth. I guess my point with the post was to say that nobody will have any of the current crop of digital cameras in five to ten years time. We'll have dumped them for newer models or binned them because they're dead and cannot be repaired. And to contrast that with the thread about cameras we own and can't quite bring ourselves to sell even if we're not using them is interesting God help the poor prat who tries to send Pentax his K10 for service or even a CLA in 2015 let alone 2037. Cory I have a Super Program and a beautiful black MX that don't see enough use. - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Old things are interesting because they're old and remind us of good times of the past we had with them, using them. It has nothing to do with whether they were designed to last 30 years or not. But then I'm a robotnik. Cameras are tools. It's the photographs which make me nostalgic. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Do you think the Speed Graphic folks will think the same? Have you seen what one goes for in just reasonable condition? There will always be people who will remember... Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Skipped] Those great old film cameras will likely be totally forgotten by 2015, never mind 2037. [Skipped] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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For some folks, there is a warmly felt appreciation for a craftsman like elegance that transcends the function of the tool itself. The H1a, etal., the Spotmatics and their K-mount cousins, the MX, the ME-Super and the LX. These each had and continue to have such an appeal to me. It's much like the fond appreciation I have for an old, brass mariner's sextant that was handed down to me. Of course GPS is easier and so much more accurate, but that sextant will shine with it's own appeal long after the plastic cased, non reparable GPS units have been replaced with another plastic doohickey. Folks who drive REO's will understand this to. Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: You are absolutely right Cory. The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away. The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands. The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires. The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school. I feel like a pro with the little MX. And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so nimble and flexible. Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5 fps winder. Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to. Sorry. I had an MX: it was nice but I prefer my Nikon FM2n for that kind of camera. The K10D works better. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I love my Speed Graphic. Gotta break it out and shoot some sheet film one of these days. One of these days.:-) Paul On Dec 8, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Bob Blakely wrote: Do you think the Speed Graphic folks will think the same? Have you seen what one goes for in just reasonable condition? There will always be people who will remember... Regards, Bob... - Note: No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Skipped] Those great old film cameras will likely be totally forgotten by 2015, never mind 2037. [Skipped] -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Average, but small cameras don't work for me unless thay've got a grip. I like to have a handful of camera. Best handling camera I own is my 645 Super. -Adam On 12/8/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big hands Adam? Regards, Bob S. On Dec 8, 2007 11:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync. ME - Alright ME Super - Horrid UI. KX, big, heavy. Super Program - see ME Super LX - Real nice camera, needs grip+winder to be comfortable to shoot. The LX is the only one of the lot I'd ever consider owning. Prefer my K10D to any Pentax 35mm film body I've ever tried. Pentax and ergonomics were not in the same universe for most of their bodies (I've never tried an M-S though, and the LX ain't bad with a grip added). -Adam On 12/7/07, Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are absolutely right Cory. The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away. The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands. The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires. The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school. I feel like a pro with the little MX. And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so nimble and flexible. Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5 fps winder. Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to. Regards, Bob S. On Dec 7, 2007 3:08 PM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey, you view is certainly logical, if a bit dispassionate. I tend to impart a soul and personality to my possessions (and indeed items I want but will never own for lack of funds). I'm wondering if you had posters of cars, bikes or whatever on your walls as a teenager. I admire gadgets and equipment. I'm sure I give them more importance than they're really worth. I guess my point with the post was to say that nobody will have any of the current crop of digital cameras in five to ten years time. We'll have dumped them for newer models or binned them because they're dead and cannot be repaired. And to contrast that with the thread about cameras we own and can't quite bring ourselves to sell even if we're not using them is interesting God help the poor prat who tries to send Pentax his K10 for service or even a CLA in 2015 let alone 2037. Cory I have a Super Program and a beautiful black MX that don't see enough use. - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Old things are interesting because they're old and remind us of good times of the past we had with them, using them. It has nothing to do with whether they were designed to last 30 years or not. But then I'm a robotnik. Cameras are tools. It's the photographs which make me nostalgic. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 9, 2007 1:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync. ME - Alright I thought those two were identical except manual exposure on MX, aperature priority auto on ME. What did you find so different? -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, the viewfinders change. MX is less visible to me wearing eyeglasses. Regards, Bob S, On Dec 8, 2007 10:55 PM, Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2007 1:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync. ME - Alright I thought those two were identical except manual exposure on MX, aperature priority auto on ME. What did you find so different? -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have an ME and an MX and the viewfinders are more or less the same, (both for coverage and magnification), well close enough so that criticizing one is criticizing the other. The ME is much smaller than the MX, but has many fewer controls so that might make a difference in handling.. Sandy Harris wrote: On Dec 9, 2007 1:25 AM, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Owned an MX, poor viewfinder(WAY too much magnification, no eye relief), too small to handle nicely, low flash sync. ME - Alright I thought those two were identical except manual exposure on MX, aperature priority auto on ME. What did you find so different? -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roarke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, if I list all of my Pentax film cameras it will be a *very* sad list. I'm a collecter so I have quite a number of them, including lots of Espios that I picked up for a few bucks each. But, if I restrict myself to those that I've actually used more than once or twice, the list goes something like this. ES Spotmatic F KX Super A P50 SFXn Z20 MZ-5 Espio 105SW Zoom 70 I've just has a nice Spotmatic II refurbished so there'll be a roll or two of film going through that shortly. Then there's the non-Pentax contingent - Konica Autoreflex T3, Olympus Ace E, Olympus Trip 35, Zeiss Ikon Nettar 518/16 Am I sad or what Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.blognow.com.au/peso1/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb -- Get a free email account with anti spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:20:18 +, Cotty wrote On 06/12/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: 3x KX one silver, one black one for spares 3x MX all silver, all working. 1x LX 2x Super A's c/w motordrives MEII winders. 2x MZ-3's c/w FG battery packs. 1x 645 Jesus H, you're going to hell as sure as night follows day! I'll be taking an MX or two with me then 8) John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 06/12/07, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: Nope. That's my cold dead hands film camera. It was my first K-mount body (thirty years ago - how time flies ...), and I was lucky enough to pick up a New In Box motor drive about ten years ago. My second MX was bought purely as a spare in case the first one dies. Same here. I bought my MX (black) in 1979 from Techno in the Euston Road (London) for either 106 or 104 GBP, body only. Also a 28mm 2.8 on the same day, although I can't remember the price of the lens. Drives, winders, more bodies have come and gone since then, but the camera and lens (and a winder) sit retired on a shelf with a couple of other cameras. I'll be buried with the MX ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 07/12/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: BTW, gorgeous woman! Is that your then-girlfriend, or just some French Tart on the Beach? Knowing Bob a bit, both. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 7, 2007 4:37 AM, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip: http://www.web-options.com/aotb.jpg I must have had a cheap tele zoom lens. The slide obviously needs cleaning. Looks perfectly sharp to me! :-) BTW, gorgeous woman! Is that your then-girlfriend, or just some French Tart on the Beach? cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 7, 2007 8:58 AM, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, gorgeous woman! Is that your then-girlfriend, or just some French Tart on the Beach? Oops! Just re-read your post, Bob, and I see she's no FTotB... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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ME Super Super Program They were in a camera shop counter case for months with no interest. Also, tried each on eBay twice. Nothing! Jack --- David S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Robb wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb LX PZ1 Z1-p -- David S. Nature and wildlife photography http://www.sheppardphotos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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To what country would it be shipped? In a fit of honesty, the ISO ring allows the setting to vary at times, so needs to be checked (jiggled) from time to time. This is pretty much standard with a used unit. Cosmetically and operationally (except for ISO ring glitch) in very good condition. $80.00 including shipping. (US only). Jack --- Sandy Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 7, 2007 9:37 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ME Super Super Program They were in a camera shop counter case for months with no interest. Also, tried each on eBay twice. Nothing! Anyone here with equipment that is both unused and unsaleable should consider donating it to Baba, or perhaps a local school. On the other hand, I could use a cheap ME Super, especially if there's a wide angle with it. I once had an ME and really liked it, but it was stolen. What do you want for it? -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 7, 2007 9:37 PM, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ME Super Super Program They were in a camera shop counter case for months with no interest. Also, tried each on eBay twice. Nothing! Anyone here with equipment that is both unused and unsaleable should consider donating it to Baba, or perhaps a local school. On the other hand, I could use a cheap ME Super, especially if there's a wide angle with it. I once had an ME and really liked it, but it was stolen. What do you want for it? -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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* Z1 but just bought a new 2CR5 for it to play again ;) * P30t.. superceded in all areas by my other cameras. * KR10x used only as body I would not regret in any way if broken (read, bad weather or other risks) * MX not much used but at very stable interval * SuperA much like the MX but a couple weeks ago I decided to use it again with the Sigma 18/3.5 I got from Boris :) Z1/P30/KR10X are really not used much ... -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 07/12/07, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: BTW, gorgeous woman! Is that your then-girlfriend, or just some French Tart on the Beach? Knowing Bob a bit, both. Hmmph! She was my girlfriend, and not at all French. Or tarty. In fact, we're still friends, 28 years on. -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/06 Thu PM 04:20:18 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Mouldering film camera survey On 06/12/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: 3x KX one silver, one black one for spares 3x MX all silver, all working. 1x LX 2x Super A's c/w motordrives MEII winders. 2x MZ-3's c/w FG battery packs. 1x 645 Jesus H, you're going to hell as sure as night follows day! Don't forget the Ducati. He's there already. - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, that should be an interesting research project for some 22nd century archaeologist Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.blognow.com.au/peso1/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'll be buried with the MX ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty -- Get a free email address with REAL anti-spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/1 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 07 December 2007 08:53 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Mouldering film camera survey On 06/12/07, John Francis, discombobulated, unleashed: Nope. That's my cold dead hands film camera. It was my first K-mount body (thirty years ago - how time flies ...), and I was lucky enough to pick up a New In Box motor drive about ten years ago. My second MX was bought purely as a spare in case the first one dies. Same here. I bought my MX (black) in 1979 from Techno in the Euston Road (London) for either 106 or 104 GBP, body only. Also a 28mm 2.8 on the same day, although I can't remember the price of the lens. Drives, winders, more bodies have come and gone since then, but the camera and lens (and a winder) sit retired on a shelf with a couple of other cameras. I'll be buried with the MX ;-) you got a bargain. I bought mine in 1979 for £125- from a shop in Leeds. I gave up smoking for a year to get the money together. It's now in my safe with my Contaxes. I've also had several other MXs over the years, but have always hung on to the original, and suspect I always will. I bought it because I was planning to hitchhike around Europe with a girlfriend for a few months, and I wanted something better than my first SLR, a Zenith. Here's a picture taken with the MX of the aforementiond gf, running along a beach somewhere in the S of France (Gruissan or Cap d'Agde, I think): http://www.web-options.com/aotb.jpg I must have had a cheap tele zoom lens. The slide obviously needs cleaning. -- Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:38:02 +, mike wilson wrote From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/06 Thu PM 04:20:18 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Mouldering film camera survey On 06/12/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: 3x KX one silver, one black one for spares 3x MX all silver, all working. 1x LX 2x Super A's c/w motordrives MEII winders. 2x MZ-3's c/w FG battery packs. 1x 645 Jesus H, you're going to hell as sure as night follows day! Don't forget the Ducati. He's there already. No, you're mistaken, that's heaven! John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:39:10 -0500, Scott Loveless wrote Cotty wrote: On 06/12/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: 3x KX one silver, one black one for spares 3x MX all silver, all working. 1x LX 2x Super A's c/w motordrives MEII winders. 2x MZ-3's c/w FG battery packs. 1x 645 Jesus H, you're going to hell as sure as night follows day! Yeah, but he doesn't have a special level of the Abyss set aside just for him. Butcher. ROTFLMAO! John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/07 Fri PM 03:44:06 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Mouldering film camera survey On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:38:02 +, mike wilson wrote From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/06 Thu PM 04:20:18 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Mouldering film camera survey On 06/12/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: 3x KX one silver, one black one for spares 3x MX all silver, all working. 1x LX 2x Super A's c/w motordrives MEII winders. 2x MZ-3's c/w FG battery packs. 1x 645 Jesus H, you're going to hell as sure as night follows day! Don't forget the Ducati. He's there already. No, you're mistaken, that's heaven! _You_ think it is. That's the nature of Hell. At first - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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None, In fact I've only got 2 35mm cameras at present, a Nikon F2a and a Minolta Maxxum 7. The llatter was part of a planned move to Sony, but my dissatisfaction with Minolta/Sony metering (Their matrix meter is useless) put a hold on that. So the Maxxum 7 is for sale ($200 w/ 35-70 f4 if anyone's interested, I've also got a 24-105 f3.5-4.5 D and 28/2.8 for it) I sold off my last Pentax film gear (A Spotmatic a Chinon CM-3) to pay for my DS a couple months ago. I'm still shooting film, just not 35mm much these days. Quite happy with my Mamiya 645's though. -Adam William Robb pisze: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb .pl, .com, .eu – tylko 90 groszy! www.nazwa.pl -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: You are absolutely right Cory. The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away. The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands. The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires. The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school. I feel like a pro with the little MX. And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so nimble and flexible. Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5 fps winder. Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to. Sorry. I had an MX: it was nice but I prefer my Nikon FM2n for that kind of camera. The K10D works better. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: 07 December 2007 22:42 To: pentax list Subject: Re: Mouldering film camera survey On 07/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: In fact, we're still friends, 28 years on. Nudge nudge wink wink. Does she likep h o t o g r a p h s ?? Nudge nudge Photography? Holiday snaps? No, no. We don't have a camera. Eric -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey, you view is certainly logical, if a bit dispassionate. I tend to impart a soul and personality to my possessions (and indeed items I want but will never own for lack of funds). I'm wondering if you had posters of cars, bikes or whatever on your walls as a teenager. I admire gadgets and equipment. I'm sure I give them more importance than they're really worth. I guess my point with the post was to say that nobody will have any of the current crop of digital cameras in five to ten years time. We'll have dumped them for newer models or binned them because they're dead and cannot be repaired. And to contrast that with the thread about cameras we own and can't quite bring ourselves to sell even if we're not using them is interesting God help the poor prat who tries to send Pentax his K10 for service or even a CLA in 2015 let alone 2037. Cory I have a Super Program and a beautiful black MX that don't see enough use. - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Old things are interesting because they're old and remind us of good times of the past we had with them, using them. It has nothing to do with whether they were designed to last 30 years or not. But then I'm a robotnik. Cameras are tools. It's the photographs which make me nostalgic. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 7, 2007 2:14 PM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody think they'll ever again make a camera body that would elicit the same emotions thirty years on? I won't be strong enough to pick it up by then.:-) Dave CW does not. - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Same here. I bought my MX (black) in 1979 from Techno in the Euston Road (London) for either 106 or 104 GBP, body only. Also a 28mm 2.8 on the same day, although I can't remember the price of the lens. Drives, winders, more bodies have come and gone since then, but the camera and lens (and a winder) sit retired on a shelf with a couple of other cameras. I'll be buried with the MX ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: 12/6/2007 10:11 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:04:06 +, mike wilson wrote From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/07 Fri PM 03:44:06 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Mouldering film camera survey On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:38:02 +, mike wilson wrote From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/12/06 Thu PM 04:20:18 GMT To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: Mouldering film camera survey On 06/12/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: 3x KX one silver, one black one for spares 3x MX all silver, all working. 1x LX 2x Super A's c/w motordrives MEII winders. 2x MZ-3's c/w FG battery packs. 1x 645 Jesus H, you're going to hell as sure as night follows day! Don't forget the Ducati. He's there already. No, you're mistaken, that's heaven! _You_ think it is. That's the nature of Hell. At first LOL John. The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 7, 2007, at 11:27 AM, Scott Loveless wrote: cbwaters wrote: Does anybody think they'll ever again make a camera body that would elicit the same emotions thirty years on? Nor do I. They (camera makers) figured out a while back that making cameras which last 30+ years isn't conducive to turning a profit. While I can't blame them, I certainly miss the stuff that was made to last. Old cameras, bicycles, even small kitchen appliances are much more interesting to me than the latest and greatest (which is more or less disposable). Being able to repair and maintain something myself is a lot of fun, and, I believe, more economically and ecologically responsible. I generate enough trash as it is. Then again, if I were making money with my cameras I'd probably have a different point of view. Old things are interesting because they're old and remind us of good times of the past we had with them, using them. It has nothing to do with whether they were designed to last 30 years or not. But then I'm a robotnik. Cameras are tools. It's the photographs which make me nostalgic. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 7, 2007, at 4:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those great old film cameras will likely be totally forgotten by 2015, never mind 2037. Hmmm. What do you want to bet that my Leica IIIf RD won't be even more coveted in 2037 than it is today? Worth more, adjusted for inflation? Although I doubt I'll be around to collect. But just in case, how about a vintage port, 2007? I dunno Paul, but I'll make that wager. Let's make it a 2024 port ... according to my friends in the wine industry, ports start to go down after about 12-13 years. :-) Far as the folks dealing in vintage, collectible cameras have told me, the bottom has dropped out of the market with very few exceptions (like the occasional high-visibility fancy auction, like that Ur- Leica auction sale a few weeks ago). Collectibility value comes and goes in waves. Old Leica RF cameras, the II and III series, were so worthless in 1999 that my first Leica rangefinder cameras were a nicely used IIc and IIf, fitted with Elmar 3.5cm f/3.5 and Elmar 5.0cm f/3.5 lenses, which I bought complete from Olden Camera for about $99. No one wants this old junk is what the salesman told me. I did, at the time. I used them for about 17 years. Now people extol their beauty and excellence, toast them as if they were some kind of heady. Those two cameras were probably worth about 15x that about a decade ago. They were just decent cameras to me. Nice ones, they didn't break more than once or twice in the years I had them. They took good photos. Unfortunately, they didn't survive. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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-- Original message -- From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 7, 2007, at 1:08 PM, cbwaters wrote: Those great old film cameras will likely be totally forgotten by 2015, never mind 2037. Hmmm. What do you want to bet that my Leica IIIf RD won't be even more coveted in 2037 than it is today? Worth more, adjusted for inflation? Although I doubt I'll be around to collect. But just in case, how about a vintage port, 2007? Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 7, 2007, at 1:08 PM, cbwaters wrote: you view is certainly logical, if a bit dispassionate. I tend to impart a soul and personality to my possessions (and indeed items I want but will never own for lack of funds). I don't really care all that much about possessions. I have built nicely customized things for my use time and again. Then sold them when I'd had my fill of them. The fun is in the building, for me. That's the creative aspect, not the thing itself. I'm wondering if you had posters of cars, bikes or whatever on your walls as a teenager. Nope. I had photographs I'd made and printed. Remember: I started doing photography when I was 8 years old. I admire gadgets and equipment. I'm sure I give them more importance than they're really worth. I like gadgets and equipment. Clever devices fascinate me. I just don't like cluttering up my life with them or becoming attached to them. They don't care about me, they just work when I operate them and wear out over time. I guess my point with the post was to say that nobody will have any of the current crop of digital cameras in five to ten years time. We'll have dumped them for newer models or binned them because they're dead and cannot be repaired. Nonsense. Several millions of these things are sold every year. Someone will have them, they won't just go poof! and disappear. Digital cameras got off the ground in a big way about 2001-2002, already there are dozens of people I know who are using the same camera they bought 5 years ago. DSLRs from 2003 and up, particularly pro models, remain in use. Very little has changed since a certain plateau in image quality was reached. But marketing people keep feeding the hunger for new things by telling you about how much better they are, so new things sell and perfectly good old things sit on the shelf. I'm still processing thousands of photographs I made with the *ist DS body, and I still marvel at how nice they are. The K10D represents an improvement, certainly, and has advantages for my work. But I would be stupid if I really believed it was a necessary improvement. And to contrast that with the thread about cameras we own and can't quite bring ourselves to sell even if we're not using them is interesting I sell whatever I don't use for long enough, unless I get lazy. God help the poor prat who tries to send Pentax his K10 for service or even a CLA in 2015 let alone 2037. I bet that a sensibly used K10D will still be working perfectly and won't require a CLA in 2015. 2037 ... well, I might not be around at that point myself. What someone still capable of being a photographer would like to play with is up to them at that point. Those great old film cameras will likely be totally forgotten by 2015, never mind 2037. The tendency to place things on a pedestal is a subtle way of reaching for immortality. Life is transitory, things stick around. Honoring things with endearment is trying to hold onto something fixed in time, with some permanence. My little am/fm transister radio from 1966 is still working perfectly. It's nice that it still works since I use it every day, but if it breaks I'll hand it to the recyclers and buy something new. What I honor is the function it has served with great economy: to bring news and entertainment to me in my reading chair. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You are absolutely right Cory. The old gear has a touch and feel that doesn't go away. The ME is so small, clean,and quick in the hands. The ME Super is more quiet and solid feeling when the shutter fires. The KX is big and durable and kind of ols school. I feel like a pro with the little MX. And the LX just feels premium, bigger and more substantial but so nimble and flexible. Finally the Super Program, the poor man's LX with TTL flash and a 3.5 fps winder. Great cameras that the K10D will never compare to. Regards, Bob S. On Dec 7, 2007 3:08 PM, cbwaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey, you view is certainly logical, if a bit dispassionate. I tend to impart a soul and personality to my possessions (and indeed items I want but will never own for lack of funds). I'm wondering if you had posters of cars, bikes or whatever on your walls as a teenager. I admire gadgets and equipment. I'm sure I give them more importance than they're really worth. I guess my point with the post was to say that nobody will have any of the current crop of digital cameras in five to ten years time. We'll have dumped them for newer models or binned them because they're dead and cannot be repaired. And to contrast that with the thread about cameras we own and can't quite bring ourselves to sell even if we're not using them is interesting God help the poor prat who tries to send Pentax his K10 for service or even a CLA in 2015 let alone 2037. Cory I have a Super Program and a beautiful black MX that don't see enough use. - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Old things are interesting because they're old and remind us of good times of the past we had with them, using them. It has nothing to do with whether they were designed to last 30 years or not. But then I'm a robotnik. Cameras are tools. It's the photographs which make me nostalgic. ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 07/12/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: But then I'm a robotnik. Cameras are tools. It's the photographs which make me nostalgic. ;-) O the pathos!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 07/12/07, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: In fact, we're still friends, 28 years on. Nudge nudge wink wink. Does she likep h o t o g r a p h s ?? Nudge nudge -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice :) I do't feel sad either. Just counted my Pentaxes (and posted directly to William) - I do own 22 working Pentax SLR bodies. Plus Chinons/Ricohs. Plus about hundred soviet M39/M42/K/other cameras. I've taken at least a roll with every of my Pentaxes and don't feel sad AT ALL. Much more like FUN, I'd say :) I really like a feel of Spotmatics and especially love my Z-1p with handgrip. BR, Margus Brian Walters wrote: Well, if I list all of my Pentax film cameras it will be a *very* sad list. I'm a collecter so I have quite a number of them, including lots of Espios that I picked up for a few bucks each. But, if I restrict myself to those that I've actually used more than once or twice, the list goes something like this. ES Spotmatic F KX Super A P50 SFXn Z20 MZ-5 Espio 105SW Zoom 70 I've just has a nice Spotmatic II refurbished so there'll be a roll or two of film going through that shortly. Then there's the non-Pentax contingent - Konica Autoreflex T3, Olympus Ace E, Olympus Trip 35, Zeiss Ikon Nettar 518/16 Am I sad or what Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney, Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ http://www.blognow.com.au/peso1/ http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/brianwalters Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb -- Get a free email account with anti spam protection. http://www.bluebottle.com/tag/2 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 09:37:03AM -, Bob W wrote: you got a bargain. I bought [my MX] in 1979 for ?125- from a shop in Leeds. I gave up smoking for a year to get the money together. It's now in my safe with my Contaxes. I've also had several other MXs over the years, but have always hung on to the original, and suspect I always will. Probably Leeds Camera Centre - they were the cheapest shop around in that part of the country. Some six years before that I drove over from Manchester, where I worked, to buy my first SLR (a Spotmatic II). I can't remember off-hand where I bought the MX - somewhere in the region of Tottenham Court Road, I believe. I could check - I've still got the paperwork somewhere in the files. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Does anybody think they'll ever again make a camera body that would elicit the same emotions thirty years on? CW does not. - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Same here. I bought my MX (black) in 1979 from Techno in the Euston Road (London) for either 106 or 104 GBP, body only. Also a 28mm 2.8 on the same day, although I can't remember the price of the lens. Drives, winders, more bodies have come and gone since then, but the camera and lens (and a winder) sit retired on a shelf with a couple of other cameras. I'll be buried with the MX ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: 12/6/2007 10:11 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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cbwaters wrote: Does anybody think they'll ever again make a camera body that would elicit the same emotions thirty years on? CW does not. Nor do I. They (camera makers) figured out a while back that making cameras which last 30+ years isn't conducive to turning a profit. While I can't blame them, I certainly miss the stuff that was made to last. Old cameras, bicycles, even small kitchen appliances are much more interesting to me than the latest and greatest (which is more or less disposable). Being able to repair and maintain something myself is a lot of fun, and, I believe, more economically and ecologically responsible. I generate enough trash as it is. Then again, if I were making money with my cameras I'd probably have a different point of view. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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MZ7 with batery grip. super program with motor drive, both getting repaired at this moment. Camera,s I used to have. Spotmatic, sold it when I got my me super ME super till it was stolen :( insurance got me the super program. James -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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0 :) ... funny, that comes out 0:) ... hmmm Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Ben 'Polyhead' Smith KE7GAL -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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William Robb wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb I'm happy to have my name attached to my mouldy cameras PZ1 -used once in a while for the Sigma 8mm fishy MZ-5 ME-Super ME-F - say what you will about this dead end, but this camera feels nice in the hand Spotmatic F K2 - the focus is really badly off but boy, this one was a bargain with a K35/2 P645 - alas I am ashamed LX - even more ashamed -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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MX - 1 -- Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: 06 December 2007 04:35 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Mouldering film camera survey Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm happy to have my name attached to my mouldy cameras Same here... K2 - dead electronics, works only with 1/125 B ... Bong -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Dec 5, 2007 11:35 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb SP500-bought 1971, used until 1993,repaired 1999, IR camera till 2003. Many rolls through this one. Traveled around the world. SP1000- Dad's old camera. He used it a lot. K1000-was my main go to camera, 1997-2003 Super Program-was my flash camera, slide camera. PZ-1-Took over from K1000 as main camera. Used as indoor flash camera as well. No used for a few rolls of BW through out the year. SF-1- Not much use, did some horse work with it. 6x7- Used alot at first, now just a few BW rolls a year. This i regret a lot. Yashica Mat- Used a lot until 6x7. This really should be used more. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kodak 35, circ 1948. I just recently bought it but it ain't too sharp, and I don't like film anymore :-) Walt On 12/5/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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SP-500 MX ZX-7 MZ-S 645 I really like the MZ-S body. Add a second wheel and make it digital and I'm there. But in truth, I've was very happy with the DS and the K10D is a pleasure to use. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED] William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/5/2007 11:35 PM Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:47577ff9231407209915562! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just a Spotmatic, a P50 and the MZ-S. Other than that I use 6x6 cameras like Pentacon Six, and folders like Agfa Isolette, Voigtländer Perkeo, Agilux, Ensign etc. And of course my Leica CL, Aires 35-V and a few others. Quite frankly I use K10D as my number 1 and my *ist D or Pentacon Six's as number 2 (6x6 for group portraits).. Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af David J Brooks Sendt: 6. december 2007 13:26 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: Mouldering film camera survey On Dec 5, 2007 11:35 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb SP500-bought 1971, used until 1993,repaired 1999, IR camera till 2003. Many rolls through this one. Traveled around the world. SP1000- Dad's old camera. He used it a lot. K1000-was my main go to camera, 1997-2003 Super Program-was my flash camera, slide camera. PZ-1-Took over from K1000 as main camera. Used as indoor flash camera as well. No used for a few rolls of BW through out the year. SF-1- Not much use, did some horse work with it. 6x7- Used alot at first, now just a few BW rolls a year. This i regret a lot. Yashica Mat- Used a lot until 6x7. This really should be used more. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1173 - Release Date: 12/05/2007 21:29 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1173 - Release Date: 12/05/2007 21:29 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mouldering film camera survey
William Robb wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. P645. I knew it might never be used when I bought it. But I like it. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5-Dec-07, at 11:17 PM, WR wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? Just Pentax? MZ-5 MZ-6 ME-F (lent to a friend) Spotmatic SP (just got it!) Others: Yashicamat 124G - I'd like to use this more, but just don't get around to it! Canon Canonet QIII GL17 - My parents old camera, put a few rolls through it and love it. Just don't use it much. :( Mike -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mouldering film camera survey
On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:35:04 -0600, William Robb wrote Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb Oh it;s a sin! 3x KX one silver, one black one for spares 3x MX all silver, all working. 1x LX 2x Super A's c/w motordrives MEII winders. 2x MZ-3's c/w FG battery packs. 1x 645 I've not used film since I got the K10D, one of the MZ-3's still has half a roll unused in the camera! John The information transmitted is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you have received an email in error please notify Carmel College on [EMAIL PROTECTED] then delete all copies of it from your systems. Although Carmel College scans incoming and outgoing emails and email attachments for viruses we cannot guarantee a communication to be free of all viruses nor accept any responsibility for viruses. Although Carmel College monitors incoming and outgoing emails for inappropriate content, the college cannot be held responsible for the views or expressions of the author. The views expressed may not necessarily be those of Carmel College and Carmel College cannot be held responsible for any loss or injury resulting from the contents of a message. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mouldering film camera survey
S1a Asahi Pentax Spotmatic (2) Honeywell Pentax Spotmatic SuperProgram MZ-5 AF 6x7 IQ zoom That adds up to 6 SLRs, one Medium Format and one compact point-and-shoot 8 Total, plus one Sears TLS that takes Pentax screwmount lenses Dan On Dec 5, 2007 11:35 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a sad survery. How many Pentax film cameras do you have that you are rarely, if ever, using? List by model and number if you like. Reply in confidence to warobb at accesscomm.ca I'll tally them up and post numbers, but not names when I have something. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 06/12/07, Steve Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: Add a second wheel and make it digital and I'm there. Like this? http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/bodies/prototypes/MZ-D.html *sigh* -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Mouldering film camera survey
On 06/12/07, Derby Chang, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm happy to have my name attached to my mouldy cameras Oh alright then: 2 MXs, one retired in 2003 when I got a Canon D60, and one retired 2 years ago when my wife got an *ist Ds. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 06/12/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: 3x KX one silver, one black one for spares 3x MX all silver, all working. 1x LX 2x Super A's c/w motordrives MEII winders. 2x MZ-3's c/w FG battery packs. 1x 645 Jesus H, you're going to hell as sure as night follows day! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: On 06/12/07, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: 3x KX one silver, one black one for spares 3x MX all silver, all working. 1x LX 2x Super A's c/w motordrives MEII winders. 2x MZ-3's c/w FG battery packs. 1x 645 Jesus H, you're going to hell as sure as night follows day! Yeah, but he doesn't have a special level of the Abyss set aside just for him. Butcher. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
