Re: Mounting, displaying and selling photos

[John]

You probably should think about cropping your images to a more 
traditional ratio.


But, Amazon has 16x20 mats pre-cut for 12x18 prints.

https://www.amazon.com/White-16x20-12x18-Photo-Backing/dp/B00YER4L3M

16x20 frames:

https://www.amazon.com/Golden-State-Art-Picture-4-Inch/dp/B00W6A2NES/ref=sr_1_2?s=arts-crafts=UTF8=1496617144=1-2=16x20+picture+frames

That makes the cost of frame & mat about $39.00 + the cost of the print

5x7 mats for 4x6 prints

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007951JOA?psc=1

5x7 frames

https://www.amazon.com/MCS-Industries-7-Inch-12-Pack-65472/dp/B008JC327Y/ref=sr_1_5?s=furniture=UTF8=1496617418=1-5=p_n_size_browse-bin%3A370620011

Approximate cost for Mat & frame about $2.25

Price your 16x20s at $250 and the 5x7s at $25.


On 6/2/2017 17:54, Larry Colen wrote:

One problem with not being an artist is that I don't know squat about
displaying and selling my photos.  I tend to carry them around in an
itoya portfolio book updating the selection as I go.  I was talking with
some friends who have a shop in town that sells art and ukuleles about
them trying to sell some of my photos.  I've also thought that at some
point I should put together some pieces to show.

Pat and Julie told me that you can't just sell prints, they need to be
mounted well enough that people can just hang them on the wall.

Can people give me pointers to cost effective ways of going about this?
 I tried stopping by the local art store, but most of my prints are
12x18 or 4x6 and they simply don't have much that work with those form
factors.




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Re: Mounting, displaying and selling photos

[Igor PDML-StR]

Mark,

Thank you, - I like what I see at redimat.com!
"Redi-pak" might be especially interesting.
I wonder what type of backing boards they use there...
It doesn't look self-adhesive (those are very convenient) ...

I am just curious, Which bags do you buy there, at clearbags.com?

Re: cards, - I usually print on a regular letter-sized paper
(And I like metallic paper for that), - and fold that in half.
I buy "5-3/4" x 8-3/4" greeting card envelopes" in a 100-pack for about 
$10-12 for that pack. (Last time I bought this one, actually at Office 
Max: 
https://www.amazon.com/Office-Greeting-Card-Envelopes-Ivory/dp/B009KQVFQS 
).

The cheapest I see at the moment is at WAlmart, for $12:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Columbian-Greeting-Card-Envelope-5-3-4-x-8-3-4-24-lb-White-100-Box/20961925
or at OFficeDepot:
http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/478119/Office-Depot-Brand-Greeting-Card-Envelopes/

So, for a box of 100, the metallic paper is $60 (Redriver), so, the total 
cost with the envelopes is close to $70...



The only problem with that route (metallic paper) is that only one side is 
printable. Usually, it is not a problem, as we write inside the card by 
hand.
(I asked about metallic paper with the 2nd side printable in a 
separate thread just last night).
But one can use some Premier Art 2-sided photo paper. And the price gets 
close to that Museo cards+envelopes set...



Igor



 Mark C Sat, 03 Jun 2017 15:25:03 -0700 wrote:


Redimat.com is another good supplier.


If you are going to do it on an ongoing basis getting a mat cutter and
cutting your own would save money and give you greater flexibility. I
usually don't buy full sheets of mat board but get instead a couple of
strategic sizes of pre cut "blanks" - no center cut. Those can either be
used or cut down to size. Smaller sizes can be gleaned from the center
cuts for larger pieces.

I get bags from clearbags.com. The volume discount gets so ridiculous
that I just buy several years worth of bags at a time.

You can also go the cards route and there was a recent thread that
discussed that. For cards I just print on Museo Artists Cards, which is
a beautiful rag paper (B is a good source).

But cards kill small prints since they are essentially 4x6 or 5x7 images.

Mark

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[Mark C]

Redimat.com is another good supplier.

If you are going to do it on an ongoing basis getting a mat cutter and
cutting your own would save money and give you greater flexibility. I
usually don't buy full sheets of mat board but get instead a couple of
strategic sizes of pre cut "blanks" - no center cut. Those can either be
used or cut down to size. Smaller sizes can be gleaned from the center
cuts for larger pieces.

I get bags from clearbags.com. The volume discount gets so ridiculous
that I just buy several years worth of bags at a time.

You can also go the cards route and there was a recent thread that
discussed that. For cards I just print on Museo Artists Cards, which is
a beautiful rag paper (B is a good source).

But cards kill small prints since they are essentially 4x6 or 5x7 images.

Mark

On 6/2/2017 5:54 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
One problem with not being an artist is that I don't know squat about 
displaying and selling my photos.  I tend to carry them around in an 
itoya portfolio book updating the selection as I go.  I was talking 
with some friends who have a shop in town that sells art and ukuleles 
about them trying to sell some of my photos.  I've also thought that 
at some point I should put together some pieces to show.


Pat and Julie told me that you can't just sell prints, they need to be 
mounted well enough that people can just hang them on the wall.


Can people give me pointers to cost effective ways of going about 
this?  I tried stopping by the local art store, but most of my prints 
are 12x18 or 4x6 and they simply don't have much that work with those 
form factors.






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Re: Mounting, displaying and selling photos

[Larry Colen]

Paul in MKE wrote:

You could also check out Pacific Mount...

http://www.pacificmount.com/

These work pretty well - just adhere the photo to the mount and it's
ready to hang. You may have to rethink your cropping, though, as they
don't come 12x18.

http://www.pacificmount.com/products/wall-mounts



Good to know.  At the moment I already have a whole bunch of photos 
printed up in 12x18, so the most cost effective is to figure out a way 
to package what I have, and see what sells.



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Re: Mounting, displaying and selling photos

[Paul in MKE]

You could also check out Pacific Mount...

http://www.pacificmount.com/

These work pretty well - just adhere the photo to the mount and it's 
ready to hang.  You may have to rethink your cropping, though, as they 
don't come 12x18.


http://www.pacificmount.com/products/wall-mounts

-p


On 6/3/2017 2:45 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Awesome! Thanks.  That seems to be the way to go.

John Francis wrote:

Larry Colen Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:55:46 -0700 wrote:

One problem with not being an artist is that I don't know squat about
displaying and selling my photos. I tend to carry them around in an 
itoya

portfolio book updating the selection as I go. I was talking with some
friends who have a shop in town that sells art and ukuleles about them
trying to sell some of my photos. I've also thought that at some 
point I

should put together some pieces to show.


Pat and Julie told me that you can't just sell prints, they need to be
mounted well enough that people can just hang them on the wall.


Can people give me pointers to cost effective ways of going about 
this? I
tried stopping by the local art store, but most of my prints are 
12x18 or

4x6 and they simply don't have much that work with those form factors.


Golden State Art in South San Francisco have 16x20 mats pre-cut for 
12x18.
They'll sell you a pack of 100 for $153 (if you want either black or 
white),

or they'll custom cut 16x20 mats for $2.89 each (minimum quantity 10)
if you want something other than the standard 11.5 x 17.5 cutout.
They also offer a matboard + backing + re-sealable clear bag for $3.35

For 6x4 they have 5x7 pre-cut mats (200 for $49.50 - now on sale for 
$37).


They'll also sell you backing board, foam board, or just about anything
to do with framing.  If it's the place I think it is, I bought some mats
from them many years ago, but couldn't remember the name of the company.
Fortunately I had a rough idea where they were located, and that, plus
a bit of Google searching, eventually came up with Golden State Art.

Once I get around to printing, I expect I'll be patronising them again.






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Re: Mounting, displaying and selling photos

[Larry Colen]

Bruce Walker wrote:



What is the connection between art and ukuleles? They almost seem like
opposites.


In this case a doorway between Julie's shop and Pat's. Pat also plays 
with the Wicked Tinkers, who some of you may have heard of.


http://www.tikiking.com/

http://www.tikiking.com/baronhook/


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Re: Mounting, displaying and selling photos

[Bruce Walker]

Some random thoughts.

I have never sold anything smaller than 8x10". Folks like their photos
large usually.

OTOH, I know there's a market for smallish framed things for
bathrooms, hallways, or those areas of walls where you create a random
"grid" out of a number of small frames. I just haven't managed to tap
that one.

IKEA frames are great, but fragile, with the odd one that falls apart
almost immediately. The cheaper ones are made out of stapled particle
wood with a thin vinyl overcoating. I like their minimalist look, but
I have backup ones when I mount gallery exhibits.

Contrary to advice you got, unmounted matted prints do sell. I have
gone through collections at artisan events. Lots of folks wish to buy
a print then get it framed in a style they prefer. Frames are very
personal things and are chosen to go with the decor, rather than to
complement the image.

I chose to purchase a mat cutter early on and it has gotten a fair bit
of use. I find that mats are one of the most expensive parts of
framing, but they are easy to DIY and the mat board is fairly cheap.
Plus most of my images were non-standard aspect ratios or sizes, so I
couldn't just use the mat provide with the frame or buy an
off-the-shelf one. A decent mat cutter can handle a full size 30x40"
board.

A current trend is to not hang frames, but rather arrange them on
picture shelves that jut a few inches from the wall in parallel rows.
The pictures simply sit on the shelf leaning back against the wall.
That lets you change up the display frequently and avoid nails or
fancy hanging systems. You can also lean unframed work, or images that
have been face bonded to a simple flat board. Even gluing photos to
foamcore is possible.

Some art suppliers are hopelessly out-of-date with regard to aspect
ratios. SLR format mat openings are standard practice at art places
with any understanding of photography. Look around more. Look online.

What is the connection between art and ukuleles? They almost seem like
opposites. 


On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> One problem with not being an artist is that I don't know squat about
> displaying and selling my photos.  I tend to carry them around in an itoya
> portfolio book updating the selection as I go.  I was talking with some
> friends who have a shop in town that sells art and ukuleles about them
> trying to sell some of my photos.  I've also thought that at some point I
> should put together some pieces to show.
>
> Pat and Julie told me that you can't just sell prints, they need to be
> mounted well enough that people can just hang them on the wall.
>
> Can people give me pointers to cost effective ways of going about this?  I
> tried stopping by the local art store, but most of my prints are 12x18 or
> 4x6 and they simply don't have much that work with those form factors.
>
>
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Re: Mounting, displaying and selling photos

[Larry Colen]

Awesome!  Thanks.  That seems to be the way to go.

John Francis wrote:

Larry Colen Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:55:46 -0700 wrote:

One problem with not being an artist is that I don't know squat about
displaying and selling my photos. I tend to carry them around in an itoya
portfolio book updating the selection as I go. I was talking with some
friends who have a shop in town that sells art and ukuleles about them
trying to sell some of my photos. I've also thought that at some point I
should put together some pieces to show.


Pat and Julie told me that you can't just sell prints, they need to be
mounted well enough that people can just hang them on the wall.


Can people give me pointers to cost effective ways of going about this? I
tried stopping by the local art store, but most of my prints are 12x18 or
4x6 and they simply don't have much that work with those form factors.


Golden State Art in South San Francisco have 16x20 mats pre-cut for 12x18.
They'll sell you a pack of 100 for $153 (if you want either black or white),
or they'll custom cut 16x20 mats for $2.89 each (minimum quantity 10)
if you want something other than the standard 11.5 x 17.5 cutout.
They also offer a matboard + backing + re-sealable clear bag for $3.35

For 6x4 they have 5x7 pre-cut mats (200 for $49.50 - now on sale for $37).

They'll also sell you backing board, foam board, or just about anything
to do with framing.  If it's the place I think it is, I bought some mats
from them many years ago, but couldn't remember the name of the company.
Fortunately I had a rough idea where they were located, and that, plus
a bit of Google searching, eventually came up with Golden State Art.

Once I get around to printing, I expect I'll be patronising them again.




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Re: Mounting, displaying and selling photos

[John Francis]

> 
> Larry Colen Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:55:46 -0700 wrote:
> 
> One problem with not being an artist is that I don't know squat about
> displaying and selling my photos. I tend to carry them around in an itoya
> portfolio book updating the selection as I go. I was talking with some
> friends who have a shop in town that sells art and ukuleles about them
> trying to sell some of my photos. I've also thought that at some point I
> should put together some pieces to show.
> 
> 
> Pat and Julie told me that you can't just sell prints, they need to be
> mounted well enough that people can just hang them on the wall.
> 
> 
> Can people give me pointers to cost effective ways of going about this? I
> tried stopping by the local art store, but most of my prints are 12x18 or
> 4x6 and they simply don't have much that work with those form factors.

Golden State Art in South San Francisco have 16x20 mats pre-cut for 12x18.
They'll sell you a pack of 100 for $153 (if you want either black or white),
or they'll custom cut 16x20 mats for $2.89 each (minimum quantity 10)
if you want something other than the standard 11.5 x 17.5 cutout.
They also offer a matboard + backing + re-sealable clear bag for $3.35

For 6x4 they have 5x7 pre-cut mats (200 for $49.50 - now on sale for $37).

They'll also sell you backing board, foam board, or just about anything
to do with framing.  If it's the place I think it is, I bought some mats
from them many years ago, but couldn't remember the name of the company.
Fortunately I had a rough idea where they were located, and that, plus
a bit of Google searching, eventually came up with Golden State Art.

Once I get around to printing, I expect I'll be patronising them again.


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Re: Mounting, displaying and selling photos

[Igor PDML-StR]

Larry,

I would recommend looking at the following sources of frames (and mats):
1. Aaron Brothers. - they probably have the best choice (best 
looking, and most diverse choice), but it might not be the cheapest 
(although still much cheaper than a custom-made frame)


2. Michaels is somewhat cheaper (especially if you are catching their 
sales), but it might be harder to find the size (and the look) you need. 
8x12 is particularly tough.
(When I lived in the areas with easy access to Aaron Brothers, I had hard 
time forcing myself walking into Michaels, despite a considerable price 
difference.)


Both Aaron Brothers and Michaels sell pre-cut mats at very reasonable 
prices. In most cases, I mount my photos with mats, sometimes opting for 
double-mats (sometimes with contrasted colors).

I would definitely recommend doing that for 4"x6".

I haven't bought these supplies for a while, - so, I don't know if places 
like amazon and ebay (or some on-line craft stores) would have better 
prices.



3. Ikea - has fairly inexpensive (and "fresh"-looking) frames, but the 
sizes are limited, and might not be what you are looking for.


4. Stores like Marshalls, T.J. Maxx, Brooks Outlet, Tuesday Morning, 
sometimes have some reasonably priced frames, but in "small-ish" sizes: 
4x6, 5x7, 8x10, Letter.


5. If you are considering prints on canvas, specialized art-supply stores 
have some broad choice of sizes of sides that you can choose to make the 
right size of a stretcher. Or, they (and cheaper - Michaels) - have some 
standard size pre-built stretchers (stretcher kits).

Also, art-supply stores have a nice media to mount photos on: foam board
(about 2-3 mm-thick, probably 1/8") that have one side "self-adhesive". 
I've mounted a few photos on such a board (you cut the size you need).


Overall, I recommend taking the prints you want to mount with you to the 
store. In some cases, while choosing the frame, I'd print to a smaller 
(4x6) size, - just to find which frame would match the look, and to figure 
out what size I'd want to print to.
Go to Aaron Brothers, and play with a combination of pre-cut mats, frames, 
and your photos.
You can also try going to a framing shop, as they have a variety of frame 
samples that you can put around your photo, - just to figure out which 
look you want to achieve, and then to try finding that at one of the 
stores discussed above.



HTH,

Igor



Larry Colen Fri, 02 Jun 2017 14:55:46 -0700 wrote:

One problem with not being an artist is that I don't know squat about 
displaying and selling my photos. I tend to carry them around in an itoya 
portfolio book updating the selection as I go. I was talking with some 
friends who have a shop in town that sells art and ukuleles about them 
trying to sell some of my photos. I've also thought that at some point I 
should put together some pieces to show.



Pat and Julie told me that you can't just sell prints, they need to be 
mounted well enough that people can just hang them on the wall.



Can people give me pointers to cost effective ways of going about this? I 
tried stopping by the local art store, but most of my prints are 12x18 or 
4x6 and they simply don't have much that work with those form factors.




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Mounting, displaying and selling photos

[Larry Colen]

One problem with not being an artist is that I don't know squat about 
displaying and selling my photos.  I tend to carry them around in an 
itoya portfolio book updating the selection as I go.  I was talking with 
some friends who have a shop in town that sells art and ukuleles about 
them trying to sell some of my photos.  I've also thought that at some 
point I should put together some pieces to show.


Pat and Julie told me that you can't just sell prints, they need to be 
mounted well enough that people can just hang them on the wall.


Can people give me pointers to cost effective ways of going about this? 
 I tried stopping by the local art store, but most of my prints are 
12x18 or 4x6 and they simply don't have much that work with those form 
factors.



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