Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem
On Aug 3, 2013, at 14:44 , Bill wrote: On 03/08/2013 9:14 AM, Walt wrote: Finished? Hell, I'm not sure my portfolio is even started! ;) My biggest difficulty has been deciding which of my images are appropriate to the context. The vast majority of my portraiture is casual/unposed, environmental stuff -- hardly any of which is geared toward accentuating beauty. Unfortunately, some of my best work reflects some ugly aspects of humanity. Toss a girl into an old bathtub, splash some stage blood around the set and on her, and take pictures. You'll fit right in. bill One of the much used props in the studio a partner and I shared with some architects in the 60s. Dry ice in a bowl in the tub worked, as did having just their eyes and hair peering over the side. 84 Vanderwater. Still there, but empty and dark, trash scattered street. Of course, it was a different time, but when we had time to spare we just called the major agencies and asked for a model or two from their head-shot book. I usually spoke of the phone with the girls to give them an idea of my interests, which gave them ideas on what clothes to bring and what lighting to make up for. I helped with makeup if needed, and preferred to keep it simple. Now-a-days you have to be an artist to pencil and color in smokey eyes as well as deal with whether to accentuate or hide the multicolor inks decorating so much skin. My favorite shoots were day long trips into the abandoned towns and buildings in the SF / Sacramento area. Never had a model be skittish about going off with me. In fact, changing in the open next to my VW Bus seemed to be their choice. Even with inexperienced models both there and in Seattle 20 years ago none seemed embarrassed to be nude or almost nude when changing without knowing me well if at all. My professional attitude and non-threatening manor seemed to allay fears by the models. If they were nervous or timid the planned shoots were designed to calm them. Always seemed to work out. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Walt my friend, watch your email for that makeup tip-sheet. Believe me, experienced models will be able to tell your level based on your portfolio. You'll have the Some Experience checkbox ticked in the profile too. You don't need to elaborate about the clockwork stuff. That's why you're there on Mayhem anyway -- to improve on your technique. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Bruce. You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that makeup tip-sheet I could mooch from you, would you? One thing I'm a little iffy on is how much to stress the fact that I'm fairly new to this and looking to gain experience. I figure the images I post in my profile should allay some concerns, but I don't want to leave the impression that I'm an old hand who runs a shoot like clockwork when I'm not. I still fidget and experiment quite a bit when I'm shooting, and I don't want to have to deal with a lot of eye-rolling sighs from someone who expected to be working with an experienced studio photographer. Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to look you up as soon as I get in the mix over there. -- Walt On 8/2/2013 9:24 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a few words. Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models beforehand but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a model I have a complete shoot design, we discuss that and arrange a time and location and then we meet there. Always bring food/snacks and drink for the model(s), MUA, hair stylist. As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a small shoot, just you and the model, give the model instructions on her own makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a book that I send them if they are without clue. It suggests stuff like more makeup than they'd normally wear, use foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based products. As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted searches and contact models directly through their profiles, or post a casting call. I've used both and some combination will get you useful responses. Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work, keep it current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes. A few great shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential models will judge you based on what they see there. Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem
http://petapixel.com/2012/12/11/a-collection-of-free-sample-legal-forms-for-photographers/ http://www.thephotoargus.com/resources/free-legal-contracts-and-releases-for-photographers/ I got the ones I use from this book (CD was missing so I got the book for 75% off): http://www.thephotoargus.com/resources/free-legal-contracts-and-releases-for-photographers/ Not a big deal. I learned touch typing in high school just copied them out of the book rather than opening them from the CD-ROM Thanks so much, John! Those are a big help and much appreciated. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just spotted the email, Bruce. Many thanks! I had a tough time finding photos that I thought were reasonably representative of my best work and germane to doing model shoots. Hopefully, the ones I chose will create a decent impression. Thanks again for the tip sheet. I do appreciate it! -- Walt On 8/3/2013 8:05 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Walt my friend, watch your email for that makeup tip-sheet. Believe me, experienced models will be able to tell your level based on your portfolio. You'll have the Some Experience checkbox ticked in the profile too. You don't need to elaborate about the clockwork stuff. That's why you're there on Mayhem anyway -- to improve on your technique. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Bruce. You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that makeup tip-sheet I could mooch from you, would you? One thing I'm a little iffy on is how much to stress the fact that I'm fairly new to this and looking to gain experience. I figure the images I post in my profile should allay some concerns, but I don't want to leave the impression that I'm an old hand who runs a shoot like clockwork when I'm not. I still fidget and experiment quite a bit when I'm shooting, and I don't want to have to deal with a lot of eye-rolling sighs from someone who expected to be working with an experienced studio photographer. Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to look you up as soon as I get in the mix over there. -- Walt On 8/2/2013 9:24 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a few words. Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models beforehand but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a model I have a complete shoot design, we discuss that and arrange a time and location and then we meet there. Always bring food/snacks and drink for the model(s), MUA, hair stylist. As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a small shoot, just you and the model, give the model instructions on her own makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a book that I send them if they are without clue. It suggests stuff like more makeup than they'd normally wear, use foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based products. As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted searches and contact models directly through their profiles, or post a casting call. I've used both and some combination will get you useful responses. Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work, keep it current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes. A few great shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential models will judge you based on what they see there. Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem
Your portfolio is never finished. It shows what you think best represents your work TO DATE. Start thinking now about which ones you're going to replace when you do something better. On 8/3/2013 10:32 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Just spotted the email, Bruce. Many thanks! I had a tough time finding photos that I thought were reasonably representative of my best work and germane to doing model shoots. Hopefully, the ones I chose will create a decent impression. Thanks again for the tip sheet. I do appreciate it! -- Walt On 8/3/2013 8:05 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Walt my friend, watch your email for that makeup tip-sheet. Believe me, experienced models will be able to tell your level based on your portfolio. You'll have the Some Experience checkbox ticked in the profile too. You don't need to elaborate about the clockwork stuff. That's why you're there on Mayhem anyway -- to improve on your technique. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Bruce. You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that makeup tip-sheet I could mooch from you, would you? One thing I'm a little iffy on is how much to stress the fact that I'm fairly new to this and looking to gain experience. I figure the images I post in my profile should allay some concerns, but I don't want to leave the impression that I'm an old hand who runs a shoot like clockwork when I'm not. I still fidget and experiment quite a bit when I'm shooting, and I don't want to have to deal with a lot of eye-rolling sighs from someone who expected to be working with an experienced studio photographer. Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to look you up as soon as I get in the mix over there. -- Walt On 8/2/2013 9:24 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a few words. Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models beforehand but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a model I have a complete shoot design, we discuss that and arrange a time and location and then we meet there. Always bring food/snacks and drink for the model(s), MUA, hair stylist. As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a small shoot, just you and the model, give the model instructions on her own makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a book that I send them if they are without clue. It suggests stuff like more makeup than they'd normally wear, use foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based products. As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted searches and contact models directly through their profiles, or post a casting call. I've used both and some combination will get you useful responses. Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work, keep it current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes. A few great shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential models will judge you based on what they see there. Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem
Finished? Hell, I'm not sure my portfolio is even started! ;) My biggest difficulty has been deciding which of my images are appropriate to the context. The vast majority of my portraiture is casual/unposed, environmental stuff -- hardly any of which is geared toward accentuating beauty. Unfortunately, some of my best work reflects some ugly aspects of humanity. -- Walt On 8/3/2013 9:59 AM, John wrote: Your portfolio is never finished. It shows what you think best represents your work TO DATE. Start thinking now about which ones you're going to replace when you do something better. On 8/3/2013 10:32 AM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Just spotted the email, Bruce. Many thanks! I had a tough time finding photos that I thought were reasonably representative of my best work and germane to doing model shoots. Hopefully, the ones I chose will create a decent impression. Thanks again for the tip sheet. I do appreciate it! -- Walt On 8/3/2013 8:05 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Walt my friend, watch your email for that makeup tip-sheet. Believe me, experienced models will be able to tell your level based on your portfolio. You'll have the Some Experience checkbox ticked in the profile too. You don't need to elaborate about the clockwork stuff. That's why you're there on Mayhem anyway -- to improve on your technique. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Bruce. You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that makeup tip-sheet I could mooch from you, would you? One thing I'm a little iffy on is how much to stress the fact that I'm fairly new to this and looking to gain experience. I figure the images I post in my profile should allay some concerns, but I don't want to leave the impression that I'm an old hand who runs a shoot like clockwork when I'm not. I still fidget and experiment quite a bit when I'm shooting, and I don't want to have to deal with a lot of eye-rolling sighs from someone who expected to be working with an experienced studio photographer. Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to look you up as soon as I get in the mix over there. -- Walt On 8/2/2013 9:24 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a few words. Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models beforehand but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a model I have a complete shoot design, we discuss that and arrange a time and location and then we meet there. Always bring food/snacks and drink for the model(s), MUA, hair stylist. As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a small shoot, just you and the model, give the model instructions on her own makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a book that I send them if they are without clue. It suggests stuff like more makeup than they'd normally wear, use foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based products. As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted searches and contact models directly through their profiles, or post a casting call. I've used both and some combination will get you useful responses. Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work, keep it current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes. A few great shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential models will judge you based on what they see there. Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm sure it'd be a fun photo shoot, but I'm not sure it'd be a good idea to take my camera. Things can get a little rowdy (though not violent, thankfully) sometimes. -- Walt On 8/2/2013 4:34 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Now that sounds like a fun photo shoot. Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I understand that. But I figure networking with photographers begets networking with models, and vice-versa. The folks I tend to socialize just aren't the type who'd be inclined to make a party out of photography. For the most part, their idea of a party is several pickup trucks backed up to a bonfire with the tailgates down, a pork shoulder and a bunch of chickens on a smoker, multiple coolers full of beer with a few bottles of whiskey scattered hither and yon, with the occasional left-handed cigarette making its way around the periphery. And the only pictures that avail themselves at such parties feature out-stretched tongues, bottles held aloft, and ironically struck bodybuilder poses. -- Walt On 8/2/2013 3:33 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Walt, I think you're the only photographer at a 'Photo Party'. It's a model party to have their pictures taken. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:28 PM, Larry Colen wrote: There are several boilerplate releases to be found on the web. Remind me this weekend and I can send you some of the ones I use. They basically say that I own the photos and have the rights to use them for any legal commercial purpose. However, I also have a section where the model can put any restrictions that she wants on their use such as not posting them with her name, not posting them on particular sites (facebook and such) Thanks, Larry! I appreciate the help. I'm not sure how much I'll be around the computer over the weekend, as my birthday happens to fall on Sunday. So, I may be out and about. But, as long as my remaining brain cells cooperate, I'll try to jog your memory on it. On the subject of a chaparone, I have had good luck with portrait parties, where I set things up and photograph several friends in one session. Most of the work is in setting things up, so it is little extra work once things are set up to run a couple other models in front of the camera. You also get some great benefits from people interacting with their friends. Also, even if one flakes, you still have someone to photograph. It's also a great way to quickly build up your portfolio, because you get several new models in a day, rather than just one. A photo party sounds like a great idea, though I'd probably need to arrange it among a different social circle from the one I typically run in. I've done precious little (actually zero) networking among area photographers, so I just don't know all that many people who'd be inclined to attend such an event. But, if I can get a few model shoots under my belt and start making a few mutual acquaintances, I can see that being a great source of photo opportunities. There is a bit of cultural and artistic activity in the lower-town area of the city just east of me (Paducah), but it tends to be a bit insular. If I can get a foot in that door, I'm sure I'll have all manner of opportunities. I hope to be able to put together a decent collection in the not too distant future, and maybe put together a small exhibit at one of the local artists' haunts. With any luck, a few good modeling shoots will bring about that day a little sooner. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Perusing Model Mayhem
On 03/08/2013 9:14 AM, Walt wrote: Finished? Hell, I'm not sure my portfolio is even started! ;) My biggest difficulty has been deciding which of my images are appropriate to the context. The vast majority of my portraiture is casual/unposed, environmental stuff -- hardly any of which is geared toward accentuating beauty. Unfortunately, some of my best work reflects some ugly aspects of humanity. Toss a girl into an old bathtub, splash some stage blood around the set and on her, and take pictures. You'll fit right in. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 01/08/2013 8:29 PM, Walt wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? I've been on Model Mayhem for a few years (wrphoto). I've found that the best approach is the most forward approach. I'm up front that this is a hobby, and that I am pretty much a GWC (most of the togs on MM fit the same description), after that, if I find a model in my area that I like the look of, I get in touch (presuming their bio agrees with what I want), and ask if they want to shoot. Make sure you have some sort of theme in mind, even if it's just a glorified lighting test and all you'll be doing is head shots (it's amazing how few models on MM have good head shots in their bio). Remember, most of the models are not professionals, they are in it for fun and because they just want some nice pictures of themselves. I wouldn't think about cosmetics unless you are a qualified make up artist. That is a pretty specialized art unto itself. I supply lights, camera and location, and I let the model supply the action. If you need an MUA, either find one in your area that you like, or let the model do her own with her own supplies. I think the biggie with MM is to not be an ass about stuff. If you promise 10 images from the shoot, deliver 12. If you promise to deliver them in a couple of weeks, make sure you have them to the model in 10 days. As far as meeting in advance to set things up, I'm on the fence. I'm 55 years old, and I don't have ANYTHING in common with a 20 year old girl other than we are both interested in how she looks. Meetings in advance, for me, are really awkward affairs. Meet for coffee, try not to be too creepy, and try not to scare the girl off. I don't do meetings in advance. YMMV. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. If it works, I get to spend some time doing something I really enjoy doing, if it doesn't, I find something else to do. Either way, keep whatever ego you have in check, don't be a pompous ass, and do what you say you are going to do, and a little more. Remember that even if its TFP, the model has a stake in the shoot. For me, it's all about the model. If my photography gets in the way of the shoot, I'm not doing my job. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The problem with Model Mayhem is that almost everyone on it seems to be a poser, in one way or another. On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 09:29:58PM -0500, Walt wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a few words. Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models beforehand but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a model I have a complete shoot design, we discuss that and arrange a time and location and then we meet there. Always bring food/snacks and drink for the model(s), MUA, hair stylist. As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a small shoot, just you and the model, give the model instructions on her own makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a book that I send them if they are without clue. It suggests stuff like more makeup than they'd normally wear, use foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based products. As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted searches and contact models directly through their profiles, or post a casting call. I've used both and some combination will get you useful responses. Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work, keep it current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes. A few great shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential models will judge you based on what they see there. Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/1/2013 10:29 PM, Walt wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt You can find makeup artists, hair stylists wardrobe consultants (or wannabees building up their own portfolios) on Model Mayhem too. As for how to approach potential models, that's what Model Mayhem is for. It should say in the model's profile whether they will pose in exchange for prints/files or whether they expect to be paid. Two thoughts on the nature of CYA: 1. Get it in writing - have a contract that specifically spells out what the photographer expects what the model gets for compensation along with signed model releases. A verbal agreement is not worth the paper it's [not] written on! 2. Get yourself an older female assistant (aka duenna) to help with these shoots. The word you're looking for here is MATRONLY. Never EVER be alone with the models. When you do that meet them in person in a public place have the assistant present then too. Number '2' is especially important whenever you're shooting Seniors. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/2/2013 1:20 AM, Bill wrote: I've been on Model Mayhem for a few years (wrphoto). I've found that the best approach is the most forward approach. I'm up front that this is a hobby, and that I am pretty much a GWC (most of the togs on MM fit the same description), after that, if I find a model in my area that I like the look of, I get in touch (presuming their bio agrees with what I want), and ask if they want to shoot. Make sure you have some sort of theme in mind, even if it's just a glorified lighting test and all you'll be doing is head shots (it's amazing how few models on MM have good head shots in their bio). Remember, most of the models are not professionals, they are in it for fun and because they just want some nice pictures of themselves. I wouldn't think about cosmetics unless you are a qualified make up artist. That is a pretty specialized art unto itself. I supply lights, camera and location, and I let the model supply the action. If you need an MUA, either find one in your area that you like, or let the model do her own with her own supplies. I think the biggie with MM is to not be an ass about stuff. If you promise 10 images from the shoot, deliver 12. If you promise to deliver them in a couple of weeks, make sure you have them to the model in 10 days. As far as meeting in advance to set things up, I'm on the fence. I'm 55 years old, and I don't have ANYTHING in common with a 20 year old girl other than we are both interested in how she looks. Meetings in advance, for me, are really awkward affairs. Meet for coffee, try not to be too creepy, and try not to scare the girl off. I don't do meetings in advance. YMMV. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. If it works, I get to spend some time doing something I really enjoy doing, if it doesn't, I find something else to do. Either way, keep whatever ego you have in check, don't be a pompous ass, and do what you say you are going to do, and a little more. Remember that even if its TFP, the model has a stake in the shoot. For me, it's all about the model. If my photography gets in the way of the shoot, I'm not doing my job. bill Thanks, Bill. One of the reasons I figured it would be a good idea to meet the model before the shoot was to get some ideas for themes and maybe get a sense of the personalities involved. But, at the same time, I can see where that might lead to some conflict of vision issues, so I guess that may be something to do on a case-by-case basis. As for the makeup, I see your point. And I'm sure any model will be sure to bring her own makeup in the event the need for touch-ups presents itself. I do have a friend who's offered to serve as a MUA (gratis), and I may call upon her at some point. So far, I've been pretty lucky about presenting subjects with plenty of good shots when the shoot is over. The last few I've done, I've managed to present them with 40+ shots, and they've all been very happy with them. I doubt I'll give that many to the models I use, since I figure I'll need to be a more ruthless editor. Still, I figure it's better to under-promise and over-deliver in all cases. And I really don't see my ego getting in the way of the shoot -- though, I suppose one never knows until first contact with the enemy, as it were. It does help that I'm still viewing this all as a learning experience, so I won't be going into any shoots with an inflated sense of expertise. And, so far at least, I haven't had any trouble connecting with any of my subjects. Thanks again! -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I was kind of surprised by that myself. The comments left by photographers in the models' portfolios reveal an awful lot, don't they? -- Walt On 8/2/2013 3:59 AM, Larry Colen wrote: The problem with Model Mayhem is that almost everyone on it seems to be a poser, in one way or another. On Thu, Aug 01, 2013 at 09:29:58PM -0500, Walt wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks, Bruce. You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that makeup tip-sheet I could mooch from you, would you? One thing I'm a little iffy on is how much to stress the fact that I'm fairly new to this and looking to gain experience. I figure the images I post in my profile should allay some concerns, but I don't want to leave the impression that I'm an old hand who runs a shoot like clockwork when I'm not. I still fidget and experiment quite a bit when I'm shooting, and I don't want to have to deal with a lot of eye-rolling sighs from someone who expected to be working with an experienced studio photographer. Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to look you up as soon as I get in the mix over there. -- Walt On 8/2/2013 9:24 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Bill pretty much said it all, and I agree with him. I'll add a few words. Re approaching models. I often read advice to meet models beforehand but I've yet to do that. When I initially approach a model I have a complete shoot design, we discuss that and arrange a time and location and then we meet there. Always bring food/snacks and drink for the model(s), MUA, hair stylist. As Bill said, leave the makeup to the professionals. If it's a small shoot, just you and the model, give the model instructions on her own makeup. I have a sheet I scanned from a book that I send them if they are without clue. It suggests stuff like more makeup than they'd normally wear, use foundation, blend well, and avoid sunscreen based products. As for finding models on MM, you can either do targeted searches and contact models directly through their profiles, or post a casting call. I've used both and some combination will get you useful responses. Ruthlessly edit your profile pics. Only put up your best work, keep it current, and don't pad it with near-misses and maybes. A few great shots is way better than 15 so-so's. Potential models will judge you based on what they see there. Look me up when you're installed, Walt. MM# 1440574. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Walt ldott...@gmail.com wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/2/2013 10:14 AM, John wrote: On 8/1/2013 10:29 PM, Walt wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt You can find makeup artists, hair stylists wardrobe consultants (or wannabees building up their own portfolios) on Model Mayhem too. As for how to approach potential models, that's what Model Mayhem is for. It should say in the model's profile whether they will pose in exchange for prints/files or whether they expect to be paid. Two thoughts on the nature of CYA: 1. Get it in writing - have a contract that specifically spells out what the photographer expects what the model gets for compensation along with signed model releases. A verbal agreement is not worth the paper it's [not] written on! 2. Get yourself an older female assistant (aka duenna) to help with these shoots. The word you're looking for here is MATRONLY. Never EVER be alone with the models. When you do that meet them in person in a public place have the assistant present then too. Number '2' is especially important whenever you're shooting Seniors. Thanks, John. I'm not sure how practical it will be to come up with a matronly assistant -- at least for my first few shoots. The best I can think of at the moment would be the mother of a young girl I shot a couple of months ago. She's not all that matronly, but she did offer to assist me on shoots whenever I need it. As for the model releases/contracts -- that's something I do need to look into. How detailed do those things need to be? I could dash off a short, sweet, one-page document without a problem. I guess I'll need to look around the web for some standard releases and contracts to get an idea of what I need to do. Do you know of any good resources in particular -- maybe some place that has downloadable templates? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 02/08/2013 10:07 AM, Walt wrote: I'm not sure how practical it will be to come up with a matronly assistant -- at least for my first few shoots. The best I can think of at the moment would be the mother of a young girl I shot a couple of months ago. She's not all that matronly, but she did offer to assist me on shoots whenever I need it. Better than nothing. Unless you and the model are actually friends, having an assistant along is a good idea. Often, models will want to bring an escort for their safety, having an assistant has the same effect on your safety. As for the model releases/contracts -- that's something I do need to look into. How detailed do those things need to be? I could dash off a short, sweet, one-page document without a problem. I guess I'll need to look around the web for some standard releases and contracts to get an idea of what I need to do. Do you know of any good resources in particular -- maybe some place that has downloadable templates? Model releases are good for photographers who are potential dickheads in my mind, but I don't, as a rule, do things with pictures that would embarrass the models. A good model release gives you the ability to tell the model to go pound sand if she decides she doesn't like your usage. Of course, if you are that type of photographer, you will stop getting models willing to work with you in a hurry as well. Usage agreements give the models certain rights, the fewer rights you give, the more prickery you can pull down the road. Again, these are good if you tend towards dickheadedness, as when the model instagrams one of your images, you can point out that she can't do this and threaten to sue. You might win a very expensive battle, and lose the war. I have never bothered with model releases or licensing agreements. I think the whole tying these sorts of things up with contracts is somewhat arrogant, and I won't get involved. The model has just as much skin in the game as the photographer (sometimes a lot more depending on the type of shoot), and I put their interests ahead of my own. Any files I hand over to the model have shared copyright written into the EXIF data, so the model has equal ownership of the images. YMMV, your culture isn't as trusting as mine, and tends to be more litigious and confrontational in this regard. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/2/2013 12:51 PM, Bill wrote: Better than nothing. Unless you and the model are actually friends, having an assistant along is a good idea. Often, models will want to bring an escort for their safety, having an assistant has the same effect on your safety. Yeah, I'd be operating from the assumption that any model would insist on bringing an escort, particularly on a first-time shoot with a photographer. In fact, I'd question the judgment of any model who didn't. Model releases are good for photographers who are potential dickheads in my mind, but I don't, as a rule, do things with pictures that would embarrass the models. A good model release gives you the ability to tell the model to go pound sand if she decides she doesn't like your usage. Of course, if you are that type of photographer, you will stop getting models willing to work with you in a hurry as well. Usage agreements give the models certain rights, the fewer rights you give, the more prickery you can pull down the road. Again, these are good if you tend towards dickheadedness, as when the model instagrams one of your images, you can point out that she can't do this and threaten to sue. You might win a very expensive battle, and lose the war. I have never bothered with model releases or licensing agreements. I think the whole tying these sorts of things up with contracts is somewhat arrogant, and I won't get involved. The model has just as much skin in the game as the photographer (sometimes a lot more depending on the type of shoot), and I put their interests ahead of my own. Any files I hand over to the model have shared copyright written into the EXIF data, so the model has equal ownership of the images. I could sympathize with any model who insisted on a written release/contract given the proliferation of girlfriend/boyfriend revenge and other sketchy sites on the web these days. It's something I'd rather not have to deal with, and I always try to be as accommodating as I can when it comes to how they choose to use the photos I produce, but I can understand anyone being wary. I also think it's probably a good idea to have a release form signed in the event a model tries to get prints made from a CD and runs into trouble getting the printer to do it. I had that issue about a month ago when a mom tried to get prints of her daughter made at Walgreen's. She used the watermarked, low-res shots I sent to her on Facebook, which prompted the lab to have her call me while she was there and grant permission over the phone. (I would've happily provided her with a CD with the non-watermarked shots, but I guess she was a little anxious to get prints made and didn't want to wait.) YMMV, your culture isn't as trusting as mine, and tends to be more litigious and confrontational in this regard. Unfortunately, there's virtually no penalty for vexatious litigants down here. On the other hand, I live in a fairly small town where lawyers aren't too keen to take up cases that don't guarantee obscene payouts from big corporate entities. Also, I know most of those lawyers personally from having worked in the court system in the past. Sometimes, small-town life has its advantages. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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One big problem that crops up time and again with amateur models is that they are notoriously flaky. Many of them never show up, and many of the ones that do, show up late. I can see that the biggest advantage of meeting for coffee first would be to weed out the flakes before you have set aside half a day, and spent several hours setting up for a shoot. What I have found works well is to set up photo parties where even if one or two people don't show, several others do. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There are several boilerplate releases to be found on the web. Remind me this weekend and I can send you some of the ones I use. They basically say that I own the photos and have the rights to use them for any legal commercial purpose. However, I also have a section where the model can put any restrictions that she wants on their use such as not posting them with her name, not posting them on particular sites (facebook and such) On the subject of a chaparone, I have had good luck with portrait parties, where I set things up and photograph several friends in one session. Most of the work is in setting things up, so it is little extra work once things are set up to run a couple other models in front of the camera. You also get some great benefits from people interacting with their friends. Also, even if one flakes, you still have someone to photograph. It's also a great way to quickly build up your portfolio, because you get several new models in a day, rather than just one. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/2/2013 2:28 PM, Larry Colen wrote: There are several boilerplate releases to be found on the web. Remind me this weekend and I can send you some of the ones I use. They basically say that I own the photos and have the rights to use them for any legal commercial purpose. However, I also have a section where the model can put any restrictions that she wants on their use such as not posting them with her name, not posting them on particular sites (facebook and such) Thanks, Larry! I appreciate the help. I'm not sure how much I'll be around the computer over the weekend, as my birthday happens to fall on Sunday. So, I may be out and about. But, as long as my remaining brain cells cooperate, I'll try to jog your memory on it. On the subject of a chaparone, I have had good luck with portrait parties, where I set things up and photograph several friends in one session. Most of the work is in setting things up, so it is little extra work once things are set up to run a couple other models in front of the camera. You also get some great benefits from people interacting with their friends. Also, even if one flakes, you still have someone to photograph. It's also a great way to quickly build up your portfolio, because you get several new models in a day, rather than just one. A photo party sounds like a great idea, though I'd probably need to arrange it among a different social circle from the one I typically run in. I've done precious little (actually zero) networking among area photographers, so I just don't know all that many people who'd be inclined to attend such an event. But, if I can get a few model shoots under my belt and start making a few mutual acquaintances, I can see that being a great source of photo opportunities. There is a bit of cultural and artistic activity in the lower-town area of the city just east of me (Paducah), but it tends to be a bit insular. If I can get a foot in that door, I'm sure I'll have all manner of opportunities. I hope to be able to put together a decent collection in the not too distant future, and maybe put together a small exhibit at one of the local artists' haunts. With any luck, a few good modeling shoots will bring about that day a little sooner. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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on 2013-08-02 24:20 Bill wrote I'm up front that this is a hobby, and that I am pretty much a GWC (most of the togs on MM fit the same description), oh, got it … i had to scratch my head, because the first GWC that came to mind was Gay White Christian ;? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Walt, I think you're the only photographer at a 'Photo Party'. It's a model party to have their pictures taken. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:28 PM, Larry Colen wrote: There are several boilerplate releases to be found on the web. Remind me this weekend and I can send you some of the ones I use. They basically say that I own the photos and have the rights to use them for any legal commercial purpose. However, I also have a section where the model can put any restrictions that she wants on their use such as not posting them with her name, not posting them on particular sites (facebook and such) Thanks, Larry! I appreciate the help. I'm not sure how much I'll be around the computer over the weekend, as my birthday happens to fall on Sunday. So, I may be out and about. But, as long as my remaining brain cells cooperate, I'll try to jog your memory on it. On the subject of a chaparone, I have had good luck with portrait parties, where I set things up and photograph several friends in one session. Most of the work is in setting things up, so it is little extra work once things are set up to run a couple other models in front of the camera. You also get some great benefits from people interacting with their friends. Also, even if one flakes, you still have someone to photograph. It's also a great way to quickly build up your portfolio, because you get several new models in a day, rather than just one. A photo party sounds like a great idea, though I'd probably need to arrange it among a different social circle from the one I typically run in. I've done precious little (actually zero) networking among area photographers, so I just don't know all that many people who'd be inclined to attend such an event. But, if I can get a few model shoots under my belt and start making a few mutual acquaintances, I can see that being a great source of photo opportunities. There is a bit of cultural and artistic activity in the lower-town area of the city just east of me (Paducah), but it tends to be a bit insular. If I can get a foot in that door, I'm sure I'll have all manner of opportunities. I hope to be able to put together a decent collection in the not too distant future, and maybe put together a small exhibit at one of the local artists' haunts. With any luck, a few good modeling shoots will bring about that day a little sooner. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Oh, I understand that. But I figure networking with photographers begets networking with models, and vice-versa. The folks I tend to socialize just aren't the type who'd be inclined to make a party out of photography. For the most part, their idea of a party is several pickup trucks backed up to a bonfire with the tailgates down, a pork shoulder and a bunch of chickens on a smoker, multiple coolers full of beer with a few bottles of whiskey scattered hither and yon, with the occasional left-handed cigarette making its way around the periphery. And the only pictures that avail themselves at such parties feature out-stretched tongues, bottles held aloft, and ironically struck bodybuilder poses. -- Walt On 8/2/2013 3:33 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Walt, I think you're the only photographer at a 'Photo Party'. It's a model party to have their pictures taken. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:28 PM, Larry Colen wrote: There are several boilerplate releases to be found on the web. Remind me this weekend and I can send you some of the ones I use. They basically say that I own the photos and have the rights to use them for any legal commercial purpose. However, I also have a section where the model can put any restrictions that she wants on their use such as not posting them with her name, not posting them on particular sites (facebook and such) Thanks, Larry! I appreciate the help. I'm not sure how much I'll be around the computer over the weekend, as my birthday happens to fall on Sunday. So, I may be out and about. But, as long as my remaining brain cells cooperate, I'll try to jog your memory on it. On the subject of a chaparone, I have had good luck with portrait parties, where I set things up and photograph several friends in one session. Most of the work is in setting things up, so it is little extra work once things are set up to run a couple other models in front of the camera. You also get some great benefits from people interacting with their friends. Also, even if one flakes, you still have someone to photograph. It's also a great way to quickly build up your portfolio, because you get several new models in a day, rather than just one. A photo party sounds like a great idea, though I'd probably need to arrange it among a different social circle from the one I typically run in. I've done precious little (actually zero) networking among area photographers, so I just don't know all that many people who'd be inclined to attend such an event. But, if I can get a few model shoots under my belt and start making a few mutual acquaintances, I can see that being a great source of photo opportunities. There is a bit of cultural and artistic activity in the lower-town area of the city just east of me (Paducah), but it tends to be a bit insular. If I can get a foot in that door, I'm sure I'll have all manner of opportunities. I hope to be able to put together a decent collection in the not too distant future, and maybe put together a small exhibit at one of the local artists' haunts. With any luck, a few good modeling shoots will bring about that day a little sooner. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now that sounds like a fun photo shoot. Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I understand that. But I figure networking with photographers begets networking with models, and vice-versa. The folks I tend to socialize just aren't the type who'd be inclined to make a party out of photography. For the most part, their idea of a party is several pickup trucks backed up to a bonfire with the tailgates down, a pork shoulder and a bunch of chickens on a smoker, multiple coolers full of beer with a few bottles of whiskey scattered hither and yon, with the occasional left-handed cigarette making its way around the periphery. And the only pictures that avail themselves at such parties feature out-stretched tongues, bottles held aloft, and ironically struck bodybuilder poses. -- Walt On 8/2/2013 3:33 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Walt, I think you're the only photographer at a 'Photo Party'. It's a model party to have their pictures taken. Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/2/2013 2:28 PM, Larry Colen wrote: There are several boilerplate releases to be found on the web. Remind me this weekend and I can send you some of the ones I use. They basically say that I own the photos and have the rights to use them for any legal commercial purpose. However, I also have a section where the model can put any restrictions that she wants on their use such as not posting them with her name, not posting them on particular sites (facebook and such) Thanks, Larry! I appreciate the help. I'm not sure how much I'll be around the computer over the weekend, as my birthday happens to fall on Sunday. So, I may be out and about. But, as long as my remaining brain cells cooperate, I'll try to jog your memory on it. On the subject of a chaparone, I have had good luck with portrait parties, where I set things up and photograph several friends in one session. Most of the work is in setting things up, so it is little extra work once things are set up to run a couple other models in front of the camera. You also get some great benefits from people interacting with their friends. Also, even if one flakes, you still have someone to photograph. It's also a great way to quickly build up your portfolio, because you get several new models in a day, rather than just one. A photo party sounds like a great idea, though I'd probably need to arrange it among a different social circle from the one I typically run in. I've done precious little (actually zero) networking among area photographers, so I just don't know all that many people who'd be inclined to attend such an event. But, if I can get a few model shoots under my belt and start making a few mutual acquaintances, I can see that being a great source of photo opportunities. There is a bit of cultural and artistic activity in the lower-town area of the city just east of me (Paducah), but it tends to be a bit insular. If I can get a foot in that door, I'm sure I'll have all manner of opportunities. I hope to be able to put together a decent collection in the not too distant future, and maybe put together a small exhibit at one of the local artists' haunts. With any luck, a few good modeling shoots will bring about that day a little sooner. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/2/2013 12:07 PM, Walt wrote: On 8/2/2013 10:14 AM, John wrote: On 8/1/2013 10:29 PM, Walt wrote: I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt You can find makeup artists, hair stylists wardrobe consultants (or wannabees building up their own portfolios) on Model Mayhem too. As for how to approach potential models, that's what Model Mayhem is for. It should say in the model's profile whether they will pose in exchange for prints/files or whether they expect to be paid. Two thoughts on the nature of CYA: 1. Get it in writing - have a contract that specifically spells out what the photographer expects what the model gets for compensation along with signed model releases. A verbal agreement is not worth the paper it's [not] written on! 2. Get yourself an older female assistant (aka duenna) to help with these shoots. The word you're looking for here is MATRONLY. Never EVER be alone with the models. When you do that meet them in person in a public place have the assistant present then too. Number '2' is especially important whenever you're shooting Seniors. Thanks, John. I'm not sure how practical it will be to come up with a matronly assistant -- at least for my first few shoots. The best I can think of at the moment would be the mother of a young girl I shot a couple of months ago. She's not all that matronly, but she did offer to assist me on shoots whenever I need it. As for the model releases/contracts -- that's something I do need to look into. How detailed do those things need to be? I could dash off a short, sweet, one-page document without a problem. I guess I'll need to look around the web for some standard releases and contracts to get an idea of what I need to do. Do you know of any good resources in particular -- maybe some place that has downloadable templates? -- Walt http://petapixel.com/2012/12/11/a-collection-of-free-sample-legal-forms-for-photographers/ http://www.thephotoargus.com/resources/free-legal-contracts-and-releases-for-photographers/ I got the ones I use from this book (CD was missing so I got the book for 75% off): http://www.thephotoargus.com/resources/free-legal-contracts-and-releases-for-photographers/ Not a big deal. I learned touch typing in high school just copied them out of the book rather than opening them from the CD-ROM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 8/2/2013 2:19 PM, Walt wrote: On 8/2/2013 12:51 PM, Bill wrote: Better than nothing. Unless you and the model are actually friends, having an assistant along is a good idea. Often, models will want to bring an escort for their safety, having an assistant has the same effect on your safety. Yeah, I'd be operating from the assumption that any model would insist on bringing an escort, particularly on a first-time shoot with a photographer. In fact, I'd question the judgment of any model who didn't. I'm cool with the model having her own escort, although sometimes that means boyfriend they can occasionally be interfering assholes. Still, I prefer to have my own witness who has no relationship with the model. Even if the woman who had the 13 y.o. daughter isn't exactly matronly, I figure she has to be at least 30 yo and that's better than having to rely on some 17 y.o. boyfriend to tell the truth in case of any dispute. As far as contracts releases, they're way cheaper than paying a lawyer to defend you from a lawsuit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: Perusing Model Mayhem
I decided to go ahead and sign up for an account (currently awaiting approval) over there to see if I might be able to find a local model or two to pose for me. As it happens, there seems to be quite a few lovely ladies looking for photographers to pose for in order to build up portfolios. Then, after reviewing a few models, I decided to see what kind of photographers I'd be competing with. Not that there aren't any good ones to be found; there is some real talent in the area. But, on the whole, the experience left me feeling much, much better about my own work. So, once I get my account approved by the gatekeepers, I think I'll start contacting potential models to see who might be willing to pose in exchange for pictures. Any suggestions on how to approach potential models? I figure it would be best to arrange to meet them in person in a public place before the shoot to discuss any ideas they may have and what they're looking for. Also, are there any basic cosmetics or other beauty supplies I ought to keep on hand just in case? -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
