Re: PESO: Hangin' On

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Alan and Rick.

Most head for one of my butterfly bushes or other nectar plants when
released.  They fuel up quite a bit before the migration

The generation that makes the migration lives about nine times as long as
the normal generations.  How they do that, and how they know where to fly
is Mother Nature's mystery.

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On Sun, Oct 4, 2020 at 9:02 PM Rick Womer  wrote:

> Very nice, Dan!
>
> Do they feed for a while before they head south, or pause along the way to
> feed?
>
> Rick
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> >
> > Well done Dan & all the other "Monarch Whisperers" as Paul says.
> >
> > Alan C
> >
> >
> > On 03-Oct-20 08:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
> >> A closer view of the newly emerged male Monarch Butterfly.  The black
> oval
> >> on the lower wing is a scent gland, found only on the male, that
> produces
> >> pheromones for attracting a mate.
> >>
> >> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/10/3/emergent
> >>
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Re: PESO: Hangin' On

[Rick Womer]

Very nice, Dan!

Do they feed for a while before they head south, or pause along the way to feed?

Rick

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Well done Dan & all the other "Monarch Whisperers" as Paul says.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> 
> On 03-Oct-20 08:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
>> A closer view of the newly emerged male Monarch Butterfly.  The black oval
>> on the lower wing is a scent gland, found only on the male, that produces
>> pheromones for attracting a mate.
>> 
>> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/10/3/emergent
>> 
>> F-5 IIs, smc DA 35 mm Macro F 2.8 limited
>> Comments, criticisms, and suggestions are invited and appreciated.
>> 
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Re: PESO: Hangin' On

[Alan C]

Well done Dan & all the other "Monarch Whisperers" as Paul says.

Alan C


On 03-Oct-20 08:41 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

A closer view of the newly emerged male Monarch Butterfly.  The black oval
on the lower wing is a scent gland, found only on the male, that produces
pheromones for attracting a mate.

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/10/3/emergent

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Re: PESO: Hangin' On

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Thanks, Bruce!

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On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 4:32 PM Bruce Walker  wrote:

> That's beautiful, Dan!  Very nice shot.
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > A closer view of the newly emerged male Monarch Butterfly.  The black
> oval
> > on the lower wing is a scent gland, found only on the male, that produces
> > pheromones for attracting a mate.
> >
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Re: PESO: Hangin' On

[Bruce Walker]

That's beautiful, Dan!  Very nice shot.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>
> A closer view of the newly emerged male Monarch Butterfly.  The black oval
> on the lower wing is a scent gland, found only on the male, that produces
> pheromones for attracting a mate.
>
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Re: PESO: Hangin' On

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I try.

Actually, there are quite a few folks working to help the Monarchs
survive.  They are magnificent creatures, and their numbers have declined
drastically in the past 20 years.  Fewer and fewer are making the long
migration to Mexico each fall.  It would be a tragedy to lose them from our
backyards.

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On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 2:45 PM Paul Stenquist 
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> Fascinating. You are the Monarch whisperer!
>
> Paul
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Daniel J. Matyola 
> wrote:
> >
> > A closer view of the newly emerged male Monarch Butterfly.  The black
> oval
> > on the lower wing is a scent gland, found only on the male, that produces
> > pheromones for attracting a mate.
> >
> > http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/10/3/emergent
> >
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Re: PESO: Hangin' On

[Paul Stenquist]

Fascinating. You are the Monarch whisperer!

Paul

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 2:42 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> A closer view of the newly emerged male Monarch Butterfly.  The black oval
> on the lower wing is a scent gland, found only on the male, that produces
> pheromones for attracting a mate.
> 
> http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/10/3/emergent
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PESO: Hangin' On

[Daniel J. Matyola]

A closer view of the newly emerged male Monarch Butterfly.  The black oval
on the lower wing is a scent gland, found only on the male, that produces
pheromones for attracting a mate.

http://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2020/10/3/emergent

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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

[Alan C]

Pity there aren't a few Super-Ciceros around today.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
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Oops, Marco ... I was just reading a piece on Marcus Tullius Cicero ... 
Sorry! :-)


G


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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

[Marco Alpert]

Hey, no problem. It could have been worse.

Thanks for the kind words.

m


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> Oops, Marco ... I was just reading a piece on Marcus Tullius Cicero ... 
> Sorry! :-)
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>> Marco
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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Oops, Marco ... I was just reading a piece on Marcus Tullius Cicero ... Sorry! 
:-)

G

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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Quite wonderful, Marcus! Like it a lot. 

G

> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
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> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso9.html
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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

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Thanks, Jack! Much appreciated. 

- Marco

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Finally took the time to take a look at this on the computer rather than my 
> phone.
> Love it! Spent a pleasant bit of time relating to each "hanger." Glad I did.
> A rare moment!
> J
> 
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 4:39:04 PM
> Subject: Re: PESO - Hangin' Out
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> Thanks, Paul!
> 
> m
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>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Nice shot. Great crop!
>> 
>> Paul via phone
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Marco Alpert <ma...@alpert.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Dan, Larry and Jostein. Much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> m
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Quite interesting and effective.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dan Matyola
>>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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>>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Marco Alpert <ma...@alpert.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso9.html
>>>>> 
>>>>> Comments, as always, welcomed.
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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

[Jack Davis]

Finally took the time to take a look at this on the computer rather than my 
phone.
Love it! Spent a pleasant bit of time relating to each "hanger." Glad I did.
A rare moment!
J

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Thanks, Paul!

m

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com> wrote:
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> Nice shot. Great crop!
> 
> Paul via phone
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>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Marco Alpert <ma...@alpert.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Dan, Larry and Jostein. Much appreciated.
>> 
>> m
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Quite interesting and effective.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dan Matyola
>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Marco Alpert <ma...@alpert.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso9.html
>>>> 
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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

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Thanks, Paul!

m

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
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> Nice shot. Great crop!
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> Paul via phone
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>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
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>> Thanks, Dan, Larry and Jostein. Much appreciated.
>> 
>> m
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>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  
>>> wrote:
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>>> Quite interesting and effective.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
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 On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
 
 http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso9.html
 
 Comments, as always, welcomed.
 
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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

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Nice shot. Great crop!

Paul via phone

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
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> Thanks, Dan, Larry and Jostein. Much appreciated.
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>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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>> Quite interesting and effective.
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
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>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso9.html
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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

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Thanks, Dan, Larry and Jostein. Much appreciated.

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> On Jul 20, 2016, at 10:26 AM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
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> Quite interesting and effective.
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> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Marco Alpert  wrote:
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>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso9.html
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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

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Quite interesting and effective.


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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

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Marco Alpert wrote:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso9.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.


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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

[Jostein]

Well done.
Makes my eyes go back and forth between the faces over and over again, 
Intriguing.

Jostein

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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

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Thanks, Gonz. It’s Alexanderplatz in Berlin.

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> On Jul 19, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Gonz <rgonzoma...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> That is a great image. Where was it taken?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Marco Alpert <ma...@alpert.com> wrote:
>> Thanks, Alan. Much appreciated.
>> 
>> - Marco
>> 
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>>> Excellent, Marco. A host of activities going on there - behind the scenes 
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Re: PESO - Hangin' Out

[Gonz]

That is a great image. Where was it taken?


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Thanks, Alan. Much appreciated.

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Excellent, Marco. A host of activities going on there - behind the scenes 
too.


Alan C

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RE: Peso: Hangin' at the Ruins

[Bob W]

 A funny shot.  And yes, it's straight.
 
 http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1205952280_P
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You can see Dave Mann's house from there...

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Re: Peso: Hangin' at the Ruins

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The image captures the locale and the spirit of the people very well.

Dan

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 A funny shot.  And yes, it's straight.

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A funny shot.  And yes, it's straight.

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Re: Peso: Hangin' at the Ruins

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Steven Desjardins wrote:


A funny shot.  And yes, it's straight.

http://drd1135.smugmug.com/Photography/pdml/15174580_NVzVH#1205952280_Pbddd-L-LB


Not an idle boast I see :-)

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Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Lasse Karlsson]

Nice photo, pleasing tonality. Good work.

Lasse

From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 6:42 PM
Subject: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco


 This is a very early photo.  I don't think I had my camera more than six or
 eight months.  My girlfriend (a Nikon shooter for those who care) and I
 would wander around The City looking for interesting situations.  One day
 we came across a group of about seven or eight guys hanging out on a street
 corner in what is known as the South of Market area.  
 
 This pic was a mess.  The negative is badly scratched and gauged, lots of
 dust is imbedded in the emulsion, the exposure in contrasty and difficult
 light was atrocious (I didn't know proper exposure techniques then and the
 Spotmatic's meter was off), and I wasn't even holding the camera straight
 or paying attention to the framing.  I began work on this project more to
 learn and become proficient with Photoshop techniques than anything else,
 and the work is still in progress.  There's lots more restoration work to
 be done, but it doesn't look too bad when reduced in size for a web
 presentation.
 
 Here are a few of the guys who were hangin' out that afternoon.
 
 http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html
 
 Shel 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[mike wilson]

Hi,
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html
Is this the full version of the segment of negative you showed us before 
Christmas?

mike

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Yes, it is, well, mostly.  It's been cropped a bit to straighten out the
scene and to eliminate some extraneous visual elements.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: mike wilson

  http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html

 Is this the full version of the segment of negative you showed us before 
 Christmas?

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[mike wilson]

Magnificent work.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Yes, it is, well, mostly.  It's been cropped a bit to straighten out the
scene and to eliminate some extraneous visual elements.
Shel 


[Original Message]
From: mike wilson

http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html
Is this the full version of the segment of negative you showed us before 
Christmas?

PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

This is a very early photo.  I don't think I had my camera more than six or
eight months.  My girlfriend (a Nikon shooter for those who care) and I
would wander around The City looking for interesting situations.  One day
we came across a group of about seven or eight guys hanging out on a street
corner in what is known as the South of Market area.  

This pic was a mess.  The negative is badly scratched and gauged, lots of
dust is imbedded in the emulsion, the exposure in contrasty and difficult
light was atrocious (I didn't know proper exposure techniques then and the
Spotmatic's meter was off), and I wasn't even holding the camera straight
or paying attention to the framing.  I began work on this project more to
learn and become proficient with Photoshop techniques than anything else,
and the work is still in progress.  There's lots more restoration work to
be done, but it doesn't look too bad when reduced in size for a web
presentation.

Here are a few of the guys who were hangin' out that afternoon.

http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html

Shel 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[pnstenquist]

Hi Shel,
It's looking quite good, but it lacks any strong blacks (at least on my 
monitor). However, I don't think it would benefit from more contrast as the 
highlights are about right. I'd go into curves and pull the bottom end until 
the blacks are stronger. I might also try converting to rgb and going to 
selective color to add black to the blacks.
Paul


 This is a very early photo.  I don't think I had my camera more than six or
 eight months.  My girlfriend (a Nikon shooter for those who care) and I
 would wander around The City looking for interesting situations.  One day
 we came across a group of about seven or eight guys hanging out on a street
 corner in what is known as the South of Market area.  
 
 This pic was a mess.  The negative is badly scratched and gauged, lots of
 dust is imbedded in the emulsion, the exposure in contrasty and difficult
 light was atrocious (I didn't know proper exposure techniques then and the
 Spotmatic's meter was off), and I wasn't even holding the camera straight
 or paying attention to the framing.  I began work on this project more to
 learn and become proficient with Photoshop techniques than anything else,
 and the work is still in progress.  There's lots more restoration work to
 be done, but it doesn't look too bad when reduced in size for a web
 presentation.
 
 Here are a few of the guys who were hangin' out that afternoon.
 
 http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html
 
 Shel 
 
 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Keith Whaley]

I'm a little out of my element here, but...
With a scene of black folk, do you think it's good to add black to 
black, just to get some deeper shadows, more contrast?
It seems to be a touchy situation, and much manipulation of the 
black/white mix of shades might lose the gentle contrast of the picture 
very quickly.
But, I don't really know that. Just a guess...

keith whaley
P.S.  BTW, I like the shot. Don't know if *I* would have taken that 
shot back in '69...  g

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Shel,
It's looking quite good, but it lacks any strong blacks (at least on my 
monitor). However, I don't think it would benefit from more contrast as
the highlights are about right. I'd go into curves and pull the bottom end
until the blacks are stronger. I might also try converting to rgb and going
to selective color to add black to the blacks.
Paul

This is a very early photo.  I don't think I had my camera more than six or
eight months.  My girlfriend (a Nikon shooter for those who care) and I
would wander around The City looking for interesting situations.  One day
we came across a group of about seven or eight guys hanging out on a street
corner in what is known as the South of Market area.  

This pic was a mess.  The negative is badly scratched and gauged, lots of
dust is imbedded in the emulsion, the exposure in contrasty and difficult
light was atrocious (I didn't know proper exposure techniques then and the
Spotmatic's meter was off), and I wasn't even holding the camera straight
or paying attention to the framing.  I began work on this project more to
learn and become proficient with Photoshop techniques than anything else,
and the work is still in progress.  There's lots more restoration work to
be done, but it doesn't look too bad when reduced in size for a web
presentation.
Here are a few of the guys who were hangin' out that afternoon.
http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html
Shel 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Paul ...

Never saw your post, just a reference from Keith's post.

There are some deep blacks in the image, but not many.  I didn't want to
fiddle with contrast and tonality too much until the resto work was done,
but you're right, there are some areas in which there can be a little more
black, just as there are some shadow areas that can be opened up a bit. 
Hmmm ... that selective color sounds interesting.  Never tried what you're
suggesting before.  Definitely worth looking into - thanks for the
suggestion.

Shel 


  Hi Shel,
  It's looking quite good, but it lacks any strong blacks (at least on my 
 monitor). However, I don't think it would benefit from more contrast as
 the highlights are about right. I'd go into curves and pull the bottom end
 until the blacks are stronger. I might also try converting to rgb and
going
 to selective color to add black to the blacks.
  Paul

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Keith,

Paul's right in that there can be a little more depth in some areas.  See
my note to him if you care to look.  There are ways to add depth without
compromising the skin tones.

I'm interested in your comment below.  Why wouldn't you have made the
photo?  

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 P.S.  BTW, I like the shot. Don't know if *I* would have taken that 
 shot back in '69...  g

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[pnstenquist]

The skin tones here are all medium gray. If you selectively adjust contrast 
with curves or add black to black with selective color, you won't affect the 
skin tones.
Paul


 I'm a little out of my element here, but...
 With a scene of black folk, do you think it's good to add black to 
 black, just to get some deeper shadows, more contrast?
 It seems to be a touchy situation, and much manipulation of the 
 black/white mix of shades might lose the gentle contrast of the picture 
 very quickly.
 But, I don't really know that. Just a guess...
 
 keith whaley
 
 P.S.  BTW, I like the shot. Don't know if *I* would have taken that 
 shot back in '69...  g
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Shel,
  It's looking quite good, but it lacks any strong blacks (at least on my 
 monitor). However, I don't think it would benefit from more contrast as
 the highlights are about right. I'd go into curves and pull the bottom end
 until the blacks are stronger. I might also try converting to rgb and going
 to selective color to add black to the blacks.
  Paul
 
 This is a very early photo.  I don't think I had my camera more than six or
 eight months.  My girlfriend (a Nikon shooter for those who care) and I
 would wander around The City looking for interesting situations.  One day
 we came across a group of about seven or eight guys hanging out on a street
 corner in what is known as the South of Market area.  
 
 This pic was a mess.  The negative is badly scratched and gauged, lots of
 dust is imbedded in the emulsion, the exposure in contrasty and difficult
 light was atrocious (I didn't know proper exposure techniques then and the
 Spotmatic's meter was off), and I wasn't even holding the camera straight
 or paying attention to the framing.  I began work on this project more to
 learn and become proficient with Photoshop techniques than anything else,
 and the work is still in progress.  There's lots more restoration work to
 be done, but it doesn't look too bad when reduced in size for a web
 presentation.
 
 Here are a few of the guys who were hangin' out that afternoon.
 
 http://home.earthlink.net/~pdml-pics/hanging.html
 
 Shel 
 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Paul,  They're far from medium grey here. A lot closer to Zone 4 

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 The skin tones here are all medium gray.

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Keith Whaley]

Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Hi Keith,
Paul's right in that there can be a little more depth in some areas.  See
my note to him if you care to look.  There are ways to add depth without
compromising the skin tones.
That's interesting. Seems to me, fussin' around with the dark end of the 
scale, with a number of black people as the main characters being 
portrayed, requires great developed skill, to make a faithful recording 
of what the eye sees...

I'm interested in your comment below.  Why wouldn't you have made the
photo?  

Shel 
I would not have approached a superior number of ANY race of people, 
on a street corner, with bottles concealed in paper, just hanging 
around... in a rather seedy area of town. I'm intruding. Getting in 
their space/place/time. Many folks don't LIKE that sort of interference...
One of the elements/protocols of street photography I see discussed from 
time to time.
One way of saying it might be...a ticklish situation.
I have no wish to interfere with their day, just make an image or two of 
what I see.
Would they misunderstand and think I'm being critical of them? Would 
they care? When I ask them if they mind if I take the shot, and they 
say, Why do you want a picture of US, white boy? what do I say that 
they wouldn't take umbrage at?

Your big question... my very simple answer...
keith
[Original Message]
From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

P.S.  BTW, I like the shot. Don't know if *I* would have taken that 
shot back in '69...  g

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Shel Belinkoff]

Hi Keith,

There are many ways to adjust the shadows without making the faces or other
areas darker.

As for your comments about making the photo, well, the situation wasn't
quite like my approaching them and asking for and taking a pic.  My GF and
I were there for a while, talking, chatting, enjoying the sunshine, and
then I made a few pics. I don't intrude where I'm not wanted.  These
fellows had no problem with our being there.  We were just walking by, said
hello, commented on the nice day and the conversation went from there. 
IOW, we were welcomed to spend time with them.  Carol, my GF, ended up
chatting with one of the fellows for quite a while, and, in fact, when we
went to leave a couple of them suggested that we come back again, which
Carol did, by herself, a couple of days later while I was occupied with
something else a few streets over.

The idea that one must follow a certain protocol when photographing people
on the street is such crap.  People are people, and most like to engage in
conversation and passing the time of day. As a person (not as a
photographer) I have to understand where I'm welcome and where I'm not.  To
just arbitrarily avoid any situation where one *might not* be welcome is
foolish.  To *intrude*, of course, is just as foolish.  If you were walking
down your street, in your neighborhood, and came across a couple of
well-dressed  people standing around talking, would you not say hello as
you passed by?  Might you not reply to a response?  Have you never passed
the time of day with a stranger, perhaps someone waiting for a bus, or
shared a table at a busy restaurant with someone you didn't know?  Like I
said, people are people, and we were just being human.

Shel 


 [Original Message]
 From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I would not have approached a superior number of ANY race of people, 
 on a street corner, with bottles concealed in paper, just hanging 
 around... in a rather seedy area of town. I'm intruding. Getting in 
 their space/place/time. Many folks don't LIKE that sort of interference...
 One of the elements/protocols of street photography I see discussed from 
 time to time.
 One way of saying it might be...a ticklish situation.
 I have no wish to interfere with their day, just make an image or two of 
 what I see.
 Would they misunderstand and think I'm being critical of them? Would 
 they care? When I ask them if they mind if I take the shot, and they 
 say, Why do you want a picture of US, white boy? what do I say that 
 they wouldn't take umbrage at?

 Your big question... my very simple answer...

 keith

 [Original Message]
 From: Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  
 P.S.  BTW, I like the shot. Don't know if *I* would have taken that 
 shot back in '69...  g
  
  
  
  
  

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[pnstenquist]

I replied to Keith from memory, but I took another look now. On my monitor they 
vary between zone 4 and 5. The slats in the fence behind them are close to zone 
5. Medium gray is an ambiguous term. But I'd describe zone 5 as medium gray. 
However, I am running at gamma 1.8, which I mentioned in regard to Frank's 
photo. That's quite a bit brighter than gamma 2.2.
Paul


 Paul,  They're far from medium grey here. A lot closer to Zone 4 
 
 Shel 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  The skin tones here are all medium gray.
 
 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[pnstenquist]

Hi Shel,
Something just occured to me. I'm looking at this shot at work on a crap 
Viewsonic monitor. I sometimes forget that. I've opened my photos here at times 
and felt the urge to change something. I always have to remind myself that what 
I see here may not be real. I'll look again when I get home. In general, things 
do look a bit flat on this monitor, and that is probably what I'm seeing. I get 
caught up in the discussion and forget where I am and what I'm looking at g.


 Paul,  They're far from medium grey here. A lot closer to Zone 4 
 
 Shel 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  The skin tones here are all medium gray.
 
 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 1/21/2005 10:13:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There are some deep blacks in the image, but not many.  I didn't want to
fiddle with contrast and tonality too much until the resto work was done,
but you're right, there are some areas in which there can be a little more
black, just as there are some shadow areas that can be opened up a bit. 
Hmmm ... that selective color sounds interesting.  Never tried what you're
suggesting before.  Definitely worth looking into - thanks for the
suggestion.

Shel 

Okay, that brings up something I've been wondering about. This probably won't 
get through to the list anyway. In converting some color photos to BW (and, 
yeah, yeah, I know they don't come out the same as if they were shot with BW 
film), what do I adjust for? I mean how do I figure out the tonality? I have 
to adjust brightness/contrast anyway. What sort of range do I aim for in BW?

I've been thinking get it light enough to make out most detail, then adjust 
to have some true black here and there and some white here and there -- if 
there is some white in the photo -- but a BW photo should have some black here 
and there. Shadows, if nothing else. 

Aim for a range.

Is that it?

Scratching head.

Marnie aka Doe 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Bob W]

Hi,

 Like I said, people are people, and we were just being human.

Well said. Nice photo - made by the guy who's standing.

-- 
Cheers,
 Bob

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[Keith Whaley]

All excellent points and well told.
You're right, of course.
I'll re-read that and take it to heart.
keith
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Hi Keith,
There are many ways to adjust the shadows without making the faces or other
areas darker.
As for your comments about making the photo, well, the situation wasn't
quite like my approaching them and asking for and taking a pic.  My GF and
I were there for a while, talking, chatting, enjoying the sunshine, and
then I made a few pics. I don't intrude where I'm not wanted.  These
fellows had no problem with our being there.  We were just walking by, said
hello, commented on the nice day and the conversation went from there. 
IOW, we were welcomed to spend time with them.  Carol, my GF, ended up
chatting with one of the fellows for quite a while, and, in fact, when we
went to leave a couple of them suggested that we come back again, which
Carol did, by herself, a couple of days later while I was occupied with
something else a few streets over.

The idea that one must follow a certain protocol when photographing people
on the street is such crap.  People are people, and most like to engage in
conversation and passing the time of day. As a person (not as a
photographer) I have to understand where I'm welcome and where I'm not.  To
just arbitrarily avoid any situation where one *might not* be welcome is
foolish.  To *intrude*, of course, is just as foolish.  If you were walking
down your street, in your neighborhood, and came across a couple of
well-dressed  people standing around talking, would you not say hello as
you passed by?  Might you not reply to a response?  Have you never passed
the time of day with a stranger, perhaps someone waiting for a bus, or
shared a table at a busy restaurant with someone you didn't know?  Like I
said, people are people, and we were just being human.
Shel 

Re: PAW PESO - Hangin' Out in San Francisco

[frank theriault]

On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 16:56:53 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Shel,
 It's looking quite good, but it lacks any strong blacks (at least on my 
 monitor). However, I don't think it would benefit from more contrast as the 
 highlights are about right. I'd go into curves and pull the bottom end until 
 the blacks are stronger. I might also try converting to rgb and going to 
 selective color to add black to the blacks.
 Paul

I missed the initial post (or more accurately, it missed me;  I never
got it).  I'm glad I saw Paul's reply, though, as it's a wonderful
photo.  A document of its times.  I may say more later, as I have to
grab supper, but I really like this a great deal.

cheers,
frank



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Sharpness is a bourgeois concept.  -Henri Cartier-Bresson