Re: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train
From what I recall of my childhood AmFly set, the difference then was scale, mine smaller than Lionel (and less expensive). I had the Burlington Zephyr aluminum streamliner (in the 50s) because I had ridden a version of it from Phoenix to LA in 1952 when I was ten. Lionel had 3 rail track, my AmFly had only two (why have more, I dunno). When I left for college in 1960 as soon as I got on the plane my mother sold my Slingerland Drum set, and my train set. Bummer. On Oct 29, 2013, at 11:34 , Alan C wrote: Yes, you're right. Lionel track was O gauge but all the early Lionel rolling stock, including locos, were under-scale, closer to S than O. I was confusing gauge scale. I still have quite a bit of it and everything is small compared to my stock of European origin. More recent Lionel trains are both O gauge O scale 1:48. I have a Texas Special A-B Diesel loco which is full O scale. European O is a little bigger 1:43.5. BTW, according to what I read on the Web, American Flyer never made S gauge stuff. The plot thickens! I might just be tempted to dust everything off, put down a few meters of track take some side-by-side snaps. Alan Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A lot of early electric model train manufacturers went for three rail so that the wheels did not have to be insulated, the outer rails being common the centre one completing the circuit. Lionel was AC, others DC. I converted all my Lionel to 2 rail DC using rectifier bridges on the motors insulating the wheels so it could run on the same track as the rest. Nowadays, battery powered radio control is becoming the in-thing so even plastic track could be used! Alan -Original Message- From: Joseph McAllister Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:09 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train From what I recall of my childhood AmFly set, the difference then was scale, mine smaller than Lionel (and less expensive). I had the Burlington Zephyr aluminum streamliner (in the 50s) because I had ridden a version of it from Phoenix to LA in 1952 when I was ten. Lionel had 3 rail track, my AmFly had only two (why have more, I dunno). When I left for college in 1960 as soon as I got on the plane my mother sold my Slingerland Drum set, and my train set. Bummer. On Oct 29, 2013, at 11:34 , Alan C wrote: Yes, you're right. Lionel track was O gauge but all the early Lionel rolling stock, including locos, were under-scale, closer to S than O. I was confusing gauge scale. I still have quite a bit of it and everything is small compared to my stock of European origin. More recent Lionel trains are both O gauge O scale 1:48. I have a Texas Special A-B Diesel loco which is full O scale. European O is a little bigger 1:43.5. BTW, according to what I read on the Web, American Flyer never made S gauge stuff. The plot thickens! I might just be tempted to dust everything off, put down a few meters of track take some side-by-side snaps. Alan Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Alan, Minor points department, but the original Lionel trains were O gauge, not S. American Flyer was S gauge, and a copycat. Trust me, I got my first Lionel train over 63 years ago from my Uncle. He was a Lionel train fanatic and had a collection of all their stuff, back to tinplate. Regards, Bob On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Thanks for that, George. I over-estimated the size of the chess pieces thought it might be O Gauge. The vintage Lionel was actually S Gauge, a bit smaller than O. I have Lionel, Hornby, Rivarossi Big-Big plus about 80m of self made track. When I still lived in Rhodesia, there were 3 of us but I never got going again after moving here. Yes, the modern stuff is very high quality expensive, as you say, like our photography. Alan -Original Message- From: George Sinos Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train Thanks for the comments everyone. Alan - the train in this photo is HO scale, roughly half the size of O. When I was in the hobby shop buying the circle of track for these trains I saw some modern O. Wow, nothing like the old Lionel stuff that I remember from when I was a kid. Much more detailed and very much made to look as real as possible. Also, very expensive. $50-$80 for a boxcar. Engine prices were in the Hundreds of dollars. That would add up pretty quickly. Of course, O is pretty big, so you wouldn't need much. Then again, from the conversation I overheard while there, I'm guessing the train hobbyists have the same issues with rolling stock as photographers have with lenses. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Great idea. Gauge O, is it? I have a huge collection of it from my youth (simply gathering dust). I intended to build a garden railway but never did. I feel the creative juices stirring again. Alan -Original Message- From: George Sinos Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 3:31 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train I'm putting up a smaller Christmas tree this year that will sit atop a table. The table is big enough to accommodate a small circle of train track. Rather than leave such an important task to the last minute, I decided to test things out this weekend. (Not the tree. Just the train.) Killing two birds with one stone, I shot a little video with my iPhone and tried out the video editing features in Photoshop CC for the first time. Here are the results. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/27/the-christmas-train I was surprised at how quickly I figured out the video editor in Photoshop CC. It was (Unlike most things in PS) quite straight forward. I've used a couple of other video editors in the past and they have many more features. But for slapping together a quick video or slide show, this looks like it will do everything I need. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, you're right. Lionel track was O gauge but all the early Lionel rolling stock, including locos, were under-scale, closer to S than O. I was confusing gauge scale. I still have quite a bit of it and everything is small compared to my stock of European origin. More recent Lionel trains are both O gauge O scale 1:48. I have a Texas Special A-B Diesel loco which is full O scale. European O is a little bigger 1:43.5. BTW, according to what I read on the Web, American Flyer never made S gauge stuff. The plot thickens! I might just be tempted to dust everything off, put down a few meters of track take some side-by-side snaps. Alan -Original Message- From: Bob Sullivan Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train Alan, Minor points department, but the original Lionel trains were O gauge, not S. American Flyer was S gauge, and a copycat. Trust me, I got my first Lionel train over 63 years ago from my Uncle. He was a Lionel train fanatic and had a collection of all their stuff, back to tinplate. Regards, Bob On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Thanks for that, George. I over-estimated the size of the chess pieces thought it might be O Gauge. The vintage Lionel was actually S Gauge, a bit smaller than O. I have Lionel, Hornby, Rivarossi Big-Big plus about 80m of self made track. When I still lived in Rhodesia, there were 3 of us but I never got going again after moving here. Yes, the modern stuff is very high quality expensive, as you say, like our photography. Alan -Original Message- From: George Sinos Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train Thanks for the comments everyone. Alan - the train in this photo is HO scale, roughly half the size of O. When I was in the hobby shop buying the circle of track for these trains I saw some modern O. Wow, nothing like the old Lionel stuff that I remember from when I was a kid. Much more detailed and very much made to look as real as possible. Also, very expensive. $50-$80 for a boxcar. Engine prices were in the Hundreds of dollars. That would add up pretty quickly. Of course, O is pretty big, so you wouldn't need much. Then again, from the conversation I overheard while there, I'm guessing the train hobbyists have the same issues with rolling stock as photographers have with lenses. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Great idea. Gauge O, is it? I have a huge collection of it from my youth (simply gathering dust). I intended to build a garden railway but never did. I feel the creative juices stirring again. Alan -Original Message- From: George Sinos Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 3:31 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train I'm putting up a smaller Christmas tree this year that will sit atop a table. The table is big enough to accommodate a small circle of train track. Rather than leave such an important task to the last minute, I decided to test things out this weekend. (Not the tree. Just the train.) Killing two birds with one stone, I shot a little video with my iPhone and tried out the video editing features in Photoshop CC for the first time. Here are the results. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/27/the-christmas-train I was surprised at how quickly I figured out the video editor in Photoshop CC. It was (Unlike most things in PS) quite straight forward. I've used a couple of other video editors in the past and they have many more features. But for slapping together a quick video or slide show, this looks like it will do everything I need. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net
PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train
I'm putting up a smaller Christmas tree this year that will sit atop a table. The table is big enough to accommodate a small circle of train track. Rather than leave such an important task to the last minute, I decided to test things out this weekend. (Not the tree. Just the train.) Killing two birds with one stone, I shot a little video with my iPhone and tried out the video editing features in Photoshop CC for the first time. Here are the results. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/27/the-christmas-train I was surprised at how quickly I figured out the video editor in Photoshop CC. It was (Unlike most things in PS) quite straight forward. I've used a couple of other video editors in the past and they have many more features. But for slapping together a quick video or slide show, this looks like it will do everything I need. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Enjoyed the nudge of nostalgia, Had to be fun to do. Jack - Original Message - From: George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 6:31 AM Subject: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train I'm putting up a smaller Christmas tree this year that will sit atop a table. The table is big enough to accommodate a small circle of train track. Rather than leave such an important task to the last minute, I decided to test things out this weekend. (Not the tree. Just the train.) Killing two birds with one stone, I shot a little video with my iPhone and tried out the video editing features in Photoshop CC for the first time. Here are the results. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/27/the-christmas-train I was surprised at how quickly I figured out the video editor in Photoshop CC. It was (Unlike most things in PS) quite straight forward. I've used a couple of other video editors in the past and they have many more features. But for slapping together a quick video or slide show, this looks like it will do everything I need. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Video works on my android. Cool stuff! Cheers, frank George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm putting up a smaller Christmas tree this year that will sit atop a table. The table is big enough to accommodate a small circle of train track. Rather than leave such an important task to the last minute, I decided to test things out this weekend. (Not the tree. Just the train.) Killing two birds with one stone, I shot a little video with my iPhone and tried out the video editing features in Photoshop CC for the first time. Here are the results. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/27/the-christmas-train I was surprised at how quickly I figured out the video editor in Photoshop CC. It was (Unlike most things in PS) quite straight forward. I've used a couple of other video editors in the past and they have many more features. But for slapping together a quick video or slide show, this looks like it will do everything I need. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Worked well on my iPad 2 as well. The iPhone did a nice job with the video... -p On 10/28/2013 10:00 AM, knarf wrote: Video works on my android. Cool stuff! Cheers, frank George Sinos gsi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm putting up a smaller Christmas tree this year that will sit atop a table. The table is big enough to accommodate a small circle of train track. Rather than leave such an important task to the last minute, I decided to test things out this weekend. (Not the tree. Just the train.) Killing two birds with one stone, I shot a little video with my iPhone and tried out the video editing features in Photoshop CC for the first time. Here are the results. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/27/the-christmas-train I was surprised at how quickly I figured out the video editor in Photoshop CC. It was (Unlike most things in PS) quite straight forward. I've used a couple of other video editors in the past and they have many more features. But for slapping together a quick video or slide show, this looks like it will do everything I need. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Great idea. Gauge O, is it? I have a huge collection of it from my youth (simply gathering dust). I intended to build a garden railway but never did. I feel the creative juices stirring again. Alan -Original Message- From: George Sinos Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 3:31 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train I'm putting up a smaller Christmas tree this year that will sit atop a table. The table is big enough to accommodate a small circle of train track. Rather than leave such an important task to the last minute, I decided to test things out this weekend. (Not the tree. Just the train.) Killing two birds with one stone, I shot a little video with my iPhone and tried out the video editing features in Photoshop CC for the first time. Here are the results. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/27/the-christmas-train I was surprised at how quickly I figured out the video editor in Photoshop CC. It was (Unlike most things in PS) quite straight forward. I've used a couple of other video editors in the past and they have many more features. But for slapping together a quick video or slide show, this looks like it will do everything I need. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train
Thanks for the comments everyone. Alan - the train in this photo is HO scale, roughly half the size of O. When I was in the hobby shop buying the circle of track for these trains I saw some modern O. Wow, nothing like the old Lionel stuff that I remember from when I was a kid. Much more detailed and very much made to look as real as possible. Also, very expensive. $50-$80 for a boxcar. Engine prices were in the Hundreds of dollars. That would add up pretty quickly. Of course, O is pretty big, so you wouldn't need much. Then again, from the conversation I overheard while there, I'm guessing the train hobbyists have the same issues with rolling stock as photographers have with lenses. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Great idea. Gauge O, is it? I have a huge collection of it from my youth (simply gathering dust). I intended to build a garden railway but never did. I feel the creative juices stirring again. Alan -Original Message- From: George Sinos Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 3:31 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train I'm putting up a smaller Christmas tree this year that will sit atop a table. The table is big enough to accommodate a small circle of train track. Rather than leave such an important task to the last minute, I decided to test things out this weekend. (Not the tree. Just the train.) Killing two birds with one stone, I shot a little video with my iPhone and tried out the video editing features in Photoshop CC for the first time. Here are the results. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/27/the-christmas-train I was surprised at how quickly I figured out the video editor in Photoshop CC. It was (Unlike most things in PS) quite straight forward. I've used a couple of other video editors in the past and they have many more features. But for slapping together a quick video or slide show, this looks like it will do everything I need. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks for that, George. I over-estimated the size of the chess pieces thought it might be O Gauge. The vintage Lionel was actually S Gauge, a bit smaller than O. I have Lionel, Hornby, Rivarossi Big-Big plus about 80m of self made track. When I still lived in Rhodesia, there were 3 of us but I never got going again after moving here. Yes, the modern stuff is very high quality expensive, as you say, like our photography. Alan -Original Message- From: George Sinos Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train Thanks for the comments everyone. Alan - the train in this photo is HO scale, roughly half the size of O. When I was in the hobby shop buying the circle of track for these trains I saw some modern O. Wow, nothing like the old Lionel stuff that I remember from when I was a kid. Much more detailed and very much made to look as real as possible. Also, very expensive. $50-$80 for a boxcar. Engine prices were in the Hundreds of dollars. That would add up pretty quickly. Of course, O is pretty big, so you wouldn't need much. Then again, from the conversation I overheard while there, I'm guessing the train hobbyists have the same issues with rolling stock as photographers have with lenses. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Great idea. Gauge O, is it? I have a huge collection of it from my youth (simply gathering dust). I intended to build a garden railway but never did. I feel the creative juices stirring again. Alan -Original Message- From: George Sinos Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 3:31 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train I'm putting up a smaller Christmas tree this year that will sit atop a table. The table is big enough to accommodate a small circle of train track. Rather than leave such an important task to the last minute, I decided to test things out this weekend. (Not the tree. Just the train.) Killing two birds with one stone, I shot a little video with my iPhone and tried out the video editing features in Photoshop CC for the first time. Here are the results. http://georgesinos.com/blog/2013/10/27/the-christmas-train I was surprised at how quickly I figured out the video editor in Photoshop CC. It was (Unlike most things in PS) quite straight forward. I've used a couple of other video editors in the past and they have many more features. But for slapping together a quick video or slide show, this looks like it will do everything I need. gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You get more bang for your buck, especially with under the tree stuff, with N gauge. Two levels, a siding, houses, factories, etc. Oh, and Santa's Sleigh! :) All on a two foot square elevated piece of 3/4 plywood with a 8 hole under and through the mountain. On Oct 28, 2013, at 21:14 , Alan C wrote: Thanks for that, George. I over-estimated the size of the chess pieces thought it might be O Gauge. The vintage Lionel was actually S Gauge, a bit smaller than O. I have Lionel, Hornby, Rivarossi Big-Big plus about 80m of self made track. When I still lived in Rhodesia, there were 3 of us but I never got going again after moving here. Yes, the modern stuff is very high quality expensive, as you say, like our photography. Alan -Original Message- From: George Sinos Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 9:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: PESO - (and VESO) The Christmas Train Thanks for the comments everyone. Alan - the train in this photo is HO scale, roughly half the size of O. When I was in the hobby shop buying the circle of track for these trains I saw some modern O. Wow, nothing like the old Lionel stuff that I remember from when I was a kid. Much more detailed and very much made to look as real as possible. Also, very expensive. $50-$80 for a boxcar. Engine prices were in the Hundreds of dollars. That would add up pretty quickly. Of course, O is pretty big, so you wouldn't need much. Then again, from the conversation I overheard while there, I'm guessing the train hobbyists have the same issues with rolling stock as photographers have with lenses. gs -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.