Re: PESO - Lakeside

[ann sanfedele]

BRuce - do read Bob W's comments on thsi thread... if you are replying 
to me not having read all the other back and forths especially


It is a totally different thing take photos of anyone of any shape and 
size when they know you are photographing them...


I imagine too that the woman on the left would not be pleased as she 
looks rather unhappy... Whehter or not that particular young woman in 
the center is comfrotable in hew own skin, she is in an awkward pose, 
and she is eating , of all things, an apple... it's stuffed in her 
mouth.. bring anything to mind?Someone of her dimensions wearing tights 
is not the best fashion choice either..


I think with street photography it is better to keep more of a distance 
from your subjects - rather than the in your face weegee approach... The 
apparent


closeness of Marco to his subjects - that is, in distance, with the 
woman with the apple in the center , there would really be no point to 
taking the photo at all if you as the photographer had no opinion about 
her. It is complicated, but the photo makes me cringe, and I can't shake 
that.


I wrote a bit about some personal stuff to Marco off list that figures 
into my gut reaction...


I'm not obese, and considering my age, I dont' think I look too awful, 
but I would not want to see a photo of myself with food in my mouth, or 
at a clumsy angle or if I were angry or sad...  unless I was on stage, 
of course!


can't help it, that's me

ann


On 11/29/2016 3:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Ann, from my experience taking photos of people, overweight folks are
happy to see photos of themselves. Many -- though not all -- heavy
people are completely accepting of their shape and like to see
themselves in pictures as much as anyone else does.

I don't see this photo as mean spirited at all. I just see a slice of
life as viewed in Marco's well honed and strongly defined style. I
don't even see any attempt to mock anyone in the image.

I will readily admit to a thin bias. I am uncomfortable taking photos
of overweight people because I like to flatter my subjects and by
assuming that they would rather look lighter I have a tendency to
attempt to thin-ize larger folks by cropping, half hiding them behind
thinner people, using shadows, posing them in profile, and all the
other portrait photographer's tricks. On the other hand there's the
desire to portray the truth in street photos, so I suffer an internal
conflict in those situations.


On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 3:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing this..

I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now I find it
difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..

ann


On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Mean?

m


On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Now that's just mean..

ann


On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html

Comments, as always, welcomed.

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Bruce Walker]

Ann, from my experience taking photos of people, overweight folks are
happy to see photos of themselves. Many -- though not all -- heavy
people are completely accepting of their shape and like to see
themselves in pictures as much as anyone else does.

I don't see this photo as mean spirited at all. I just see a slice of
life as viewed in Marco's well honed and strongly defined style. I
don't even see any attempt to mock anyone in the image.

I will readily admit to a thin bias. I am uncomfortable taking photos
of overweight people because I like to flatter my subjects and by
assuming that they would rather look lighter I have a tendency to
attempt to thin-ize larger folks by cropping, half hiding them behind
thinner people, using shadows, posing them in profile, and all the
other portrait photographer's tricks. On the other hand there's the
desire to portray the truth in street photos, so I suffer an internal
conflict in those situations.


On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 3:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing this..
>
> I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now I find it
> difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..
>
> ann
>
>
> On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>>
>> Mean?
>>
>> m
>>
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>>
>>> Now that's just mean..
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:

 http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html

 Comments, as always, welcomed.

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Jostein]

Den 28.11.2016 18.56, skrev Larry Colen:

This is exactly the problem with street photography, the photograph
itself is making no value judgement, however the people looking at it
are free to be as judgmental as they want.


Street photography is like quantum physics. Like the act of observation 
influence what's being observed the photographer influence what's being 
photographed and conveyed to the viewer. Leaving the photographer out of 
the equation doesn't describe reality.


Btw, the same is true for photographers of other species than Homo sapiens.

Jostein

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Mark Roberts]

Marco Alpert wrote:

>You’ve said above that the *photographer* makes choices (which I guess you 
>equate with “value judgements”). 

I agree. The *photographer* makes the choices and value judgments. The
photograph doesn't.
 
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Subash Jeyan]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2016 18:38:19 +
Bob W-PDML  wrote:

> On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:57, Larry Colen  wrote:
> > 
> > Jostein Øksne wrote:  
> >> I remember one time way back in the gelatine days of photography,
> >> that a guy called Shel Belinkoff posted a thematically similar
> >> photo. It triggered one of the most on-topic flame wars we ever
> >> had.
> >> 
> >> With this photo, I get the feeling of observing a vulnerable
> >> person exposed in a vulnerable moment. I tend to side with Ann in
> >> finding it crossing a fine line of something negative. Indecency,
> >> maybe. Jostein  
> > 
> > I think that Marco should change his name to Rorschach. If you
> > don't find anything wrong with someone being fat, there is nothing
> > to criticize in the photo. Also note that what she is eating is an
> > apple, something people attempting to lose weight often eat as they
> > can be filling without a high caloric load.
> > 
> > This is exactly the problem with street photography, the photograph
> > itself is making no value judgement, however the people looking at
> > it are free to be as judgmental as they want. 
> 
> That's rubbish, and you know it. The photographer chooses which
> pictures to take, and then chooses whether or not to show them, then
> chooses how they are shown. Every photograph anyone ever took makes
> many value judgements.

rather like the  classic realism novel which, while presenting itself as
portraying reality, is actually a series of selected slices arranged
in a way that it represents specific world views. recently i saw the
documentary 'the many lives of william klein' (had never heard of him
before) and i found him refreshing because of the ways in which he
makes the photographer's presence felt, by making the 'artifice'
explicit. there is a particularly revealing comparison in the movie
between klein and HCB, where the latter is referred to as a 'ghost' that
i found fascinating.

i find Marco's photographs fascinating and never skip a PESO of his but
i tend to agree with Ann and Bob on this particular one.

~subash

> 
> B
> >   
> >> 
> >> Den 28. november 2016 15.51.08 CET, skrev ann
> >> sanfedele:  
> >>> It's complicated, but I certainly mocked obesity in some street
> >>> photos in the past and I feel bad about it now... though I worry
> >>> about friends
> >>> 
> >>> who are from a health perspective..
> >>> She also actually has food in her mouth and that is always
> >>> something I turn away from no matter who is eating..
> >>> 
> >>> ann
> >>>   
>  On 11/28/2016 12:09 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>  Hmm… Interested in how you define “this kind of shot.”
>  
>  m
>  
>    
> > On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:01 PM, ann sanfedele  
> >>> wrote:  
> > Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy
> > seeing  
> >>> this..  
> > I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now
> > I  
> >>> find it difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..  
> > ann
> >   
> >> On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
> >> Mean?
> >> 
> >> m
> >>   
> >>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann
> >>> sanfedele  
> >>> wrote:  
> >>> Now that's just mean..
> >>> 
> >>> ann
> >>> 
> >>>   
>  On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>  http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
>  
>  Comments, as always, welcomed.
>  
>  -Marco
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Steve Cottrell]

On 28/11/16, Marco Alpert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>presumptuous.

Bob? Bob Walkden??

Must be an imposter

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Ken Waller]

Totally agree Bob.


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>On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:57, Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Jostein Øksne wrote:
>>> I remember one time way back in the gelatine days of photography, that a 
>>> guy called Shel Belinkoff posted a thematically similar photo. It triggered 
>>> one of the most on-topic flame wars we ever had.
>>> 
>>> With this photo, I get the feeling of observing a vulnerable person exposed 
>>> in a vulnerable moment. I tend to side with Ann in finding it crossing a 
>>> fine line of something negative. Indecency, maybe.
>>> Jostein
>> 
>> I think that Marco should change his name to Rorschach. If you don't find 
>> anything wrong with someone being fat, there is nothing to criticize in the 
>> photo. Also note that what she is eating is an apple, something people 
>> attempting to lose weight often eat as they can be filling without a high 
>> caloric load.
>> 
>> This is exactly the problem with street photography, the photograph itself 
>> is making no value judgement, however the people looking at it are free to 
>> be as judgmental as they want.
>> 
>
>That's rubbish, and you know it. The photographer chooses which pictures to 
>take, and then chooses whether or not to show them, then chooses how they are 
>shown. Every photograph anyone ever took makes many value judgements.
>
>B
>> 
>>> 
>>> Den 28. november 2016 15.51.08 CET, skrev ann sanfedele<ann...@nyc.rr.com>:
>>>> It's complicated, but I certainly mocked obesity in some street photos
>>>> in the past and I feel bad about it now... though I worry about friends
>>>> 
>>>> who are from a health perspective..
>>>> She also actually has food in her mouth and that is always something I
>>>> turn away from no matter who is eating..
>>>> 
>>>> ann
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/28/2016 12:09 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>>>>> Hmm… Interested in how you define “this kind of shot.”
>>>>> 
>>>>> m
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:01 PM, ann sanfedele<ann...@nyc.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing
>>>> this..
>>>>>> I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now I
>>>> find it difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..
>>>>>> ann
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>>>>>>> Mean?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> m
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele<ann...@nyc.rr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Now that's just mean..
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ann
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Comments, as always, welcomed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -Marco
>>>>>>>>> 
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Bob W-PDML]

On 28 Nov 2016, at 19:30, Marco Alpert  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>> 
>> On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:57, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jostein Øksne wrote:
 I remember one time way back in the gelatine days of photography, that a 
 guy called Shel Belinkoff posted a thematically similar photo. It 
 triggered one of the most on-topic flame wars we ever had.
 
 With this photo, I get the feeling of observing a vulnerable person 
 exposed in a vulnerable moment. I tend to side with Ann in finding it 
 crossing a fine line of something negative. Indecency, maybe.
 Jostein
>>> 
>>> I think that Marco should change his name to Rorschach. If you don't find 
>>> anything wrong with someone being fat, there is nothing to criticize in the 
>>> photo. Also note that what she is eating is an apple, something people 
>>> attempting to lose weight often eat as they can be filling without a high 
>>> caloric load.
>>> 
>>> This is exactly the problem with street photography, the photograph itself 
>>> is making no value judgement, however the people looking at it are free to 
>>> be as judgmental as they want.
>>> 
>> 
>> That's rubbish, and you know it.
> 
> You know, you’re certainly welcome to your opinion, but telling someone else 
> what they do or don’t “know” strikes me as a bit presumptuous.
> 
>> The photographer chooses which pictures to take, and then chooses whether or 
>> not to show them, then chooses how they are shown.
> 
> No argument there.
> 
>> Every photograph anyone ever took makes many value judgements.
> 
> You’ve said above that the *photographer* makes choices (which I guess you 
> equate with “value judgements”). But unless the photographer makes a habit of 
> communicating the reasons he or she made those choices (a habit that I 
> eschew), Larry’s point that the  photograph acts as Rorschach into which the 
> viewer can inject their own preconceptions, even as they guess at the 
> photographer’s motivation, seems pretty valid to me.

The point about a Rorschach blot is that it is essentially random and 
non-representative, so any interpretation is inevitably an invention of the 
viewer alone. A photograph is unavoidably representative - it is the defining 
property of photography - and there is human agency, choices and value 
judgements throughout the production chain. These choices and judgements 
influence the viewer. The comparison with a Rorschach blot therefore fails 
entirely. 

Of course the viewers bring their own preconceptions and make their own 
interpretation, but because of the aforementioned human agency these 
interpretations are not _entirely_ their own.

Larry's claim that the photograph makes no value judgement is therefore rubbish 
and if he didn't know it he bloody well ought to, and does now.

It is however true that the viewers can be as judgmental as they wish. As 
indeed can the photographer, and the rest of the world is free to interpret and 
judge their motives in turn.

In the case of this particular photograph I interpret it as mean-spirited. 
That's not to say I might not have taken it myself, but having taken it I don't 
think I would have shown it. 

Obesity is a very complex issue, as is women's body image, and not simply a 
matter of individual choice and free will, and people should think long and 
hard before posting pictures of identifiable individuals in situations which 
are easily interpreted as reducing their dignity, or mocking or pitying them.

B


>> On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
>> 
>> Comments, as always, welcomed.
>> 

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Marco Alpert]

> On Nov 28, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:57, Larry Colen  wrote:
>> 
>> Jostein Øksne wrote:
>>> I remember one time way back in the gelatine days of photography, that a 
>>> guy called Shel Belinkoff posted a thematically similar photo. It triggered 
>>> one of the most on-topic flame wars we ever had.
>>> 
>>> With this photo, I get the feeling of observing a vulnerable person exposed 
>>> in a vulnerable moment. I tend to side with Ann in finding it crossing a 
>>> fine line of something negative. Indecency, maybe.
>>> Jostein
>> 
>> I think that Marco should change his name to Rorschach. If you don't find 
>> anything wrong with someone being fat, there is nothing to criticize in the 
>> photo. Also note that what she is eating is an apple, something people 
>> attempting to lose weight often eat as they can be filling without a high 
>> caloric load.
>> 
>> This is exactly the problem with street photography, the photograph itself 
>> is making no value judgement, however the people looking at it are free to 
>> be as judgmental as they want.
>> 
> 
> That's rubbish, and you know it.

You know, you’re certainly welcome to your opinion, but telling someone else 
what they do or don’t “know” strikes me as a bit presumptuous.

> The photographer chooses which pictures to take, and then chooses whether or 
> not to show them, then chooses how they are shown.

No argument there.

> Every photograph anyone ever took makes many value judgements.

You’ve said above that the *photographer* makes choices (which I guess you 
equate with “value judgements”). But unless the photographer makes a habit of 
communicating the reasons he or she made those choices (a habit that I eschew), 
Larry’s point that the  photograph acts as Rorschach into which the viewer can 
inject their own preconceptions, even as they guess at the photographer’s 
motivation, seems pretty valid to me.

- Marco


> 
> B
>> 
>>> 
>>> Den 28. november 2016 15.51.08 CET, skrev ann sanfedele:
 It's complicated, but I certainly mocked obesity in some street photos
 in the past and I feel bad about it now... though I worry about friends
 
 who are from a health perspective..
 She also actually has food in her mouth and that is always something I
 turn away from no matter who is eating..
 
 ann
 
> On 11/28/2016 12:09 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
> Hmm… Interested in how you define “this kind of shot.”
> 
> m
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:01 PM, ann sanfedele
 wrote:
>> Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing
 this..
>> I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now I
 find it difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..
>> ann
>> 
>>> On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>>> Mean?
>>> 
>>> m
>>> 
 On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele
 wrote:
 Now that's just mean..
 
 ann
 
 
> On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
> 
> Comments, as always, welcomed.
> 
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Bob W-PDML]

On 28 Nov 2016, at 17:57, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> Jostein Øksne wrote:
>> I remember one time way back in the gelatine days of photography, that a guy 
>> called Shel Belinkoff posted a thematically similar photo. It triggered one 
>> of the most on-topic flame wars we ever had.
>> 
>> With this photo, I get the feeling of observing a vulnerable person exposed 
>> in a vulnerable moment. I tend to side with Ann in finding it crossing a 
>> fine line of something negative. Indecency, maybe.
>> Jostein
> 
> I think that Marco should change his name to Rorschach. If you don't find 
> anything wrong with someone being fat, there is nothing to criticize in the 
> photo. Also note that what she is eating is an apple, something people 
> attempting to lose weight often eat as they can be filling without a high 
> caloric load.
> 
> This is exactly the problem with street photography, the photograph itself is 
> making no value judgement, however the people looking at it are free to be as 
> judgmental as they want.
> 

That's rubbish, and you know it. The photographer chooses which pictures to 
take, and then chooses whether or not to show them, then chooses how they are 
shown. Every photograph anyone ever took makes many value judgements.

B
> 
>> 
>> Den 28. november 2016 15.51.08 CET, skrev ann sanfedele:
>>> It's complicated, but I certainly mocked obesity in some street photos
>>> in the past and I feel bad about it now... though I worry about friends
>>> 
>>> who are from a health perspective..
>>> She also actually has food in her mouth and that is always something I
>>> turn away from no matter who is eating..
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
 On 11/28/2016 12:09 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
 Hmm… Interested in how you define “this kind of shot.”
 
 m
 
 
> On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:01 PM, ann sanfedele
>>> wrote:
> Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing
>>> this..
> I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now I
>>> find it difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..
> ann
> 
>> On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> Mean?
>> 
>> m
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele
>>> wrote:
>>> Now that's just mean..
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
 http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
 
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[mike wilson]

> On 28 November 2016 at 17:56 Larry Colen  wrote:

> This is exactly the problem with street photography, the photograph 
> itself is making no value judgement, however the people looking at it 
> are free to be as judgmental as they want.

Not a problem.  The variety of interpretations is what makes street photography
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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Jostein Øksne wrote:

I remember one time way back in the gelatine days of photography, that a guy 
called Shel Belinkoff posted a thematically similar photo. It triggered one of 
the most on-topic flame wars we ever had.

With this photo, I get the feeling of observing a vulnerable person exposed in 
a vulnerable moment. I tend to side with Ann in finding it crossing a fine line 
of something negative. Indecency, maybe.
Jostein


I think that Marco should change his name to Rorschach. If you don't 
find anything wrong with someone being fat, there is nothing to 
criticize in the photo. Also note that what she is eating is an apple, 
something people attempting to lose weight often eat as they can be 
filling without a high caloric load.


This is exactly the problem with street photography, the photograph 
itself is making no value judgement, however the people looking at it 
are free to be as judgmental as they want.





Den 28. november 2016 15.51.08 CET, skrev ann sanfedele:

It's complicated, but I certainly mocked obesity in some street photos
in the past and I feel bad about it now... though I worry about friends

who are from a health perspective..
She also actually has food in her mouth and that is always something I
turn away from no matter who is eating..

ann

On 11/28/2016 12:09 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Hmm… Interested in how you define “this kind of shot.”

m



On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:01 PM, ann sanfedele

wrote:

Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing

this..

I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now I

find it difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..

ann

On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Mean?

m


On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele

wrote:

Now that's just mean..

ann


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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Jostein Øksne]

I remember one time way back in the gelatine days of photography, that a guy 
called Shel Belinkoff posted a thematically similar photo. It triggered one of 
the most on-topic flame wars we ever had.

With this photo, I get the feeling of observing a vulnerable person exposed in 
a vulnerable moment. I tend to side with Ann in finding it crossing a fine line 
of something negative. Indecency, maybe.
Jostein 

Den 28. november 2016 15.51.08 CET, skrev ann sanfedele :
>It's complicated, but I certainly mocked obesity in some street photos 
>in the past and I feel bad about it now... though I worry about friends
>
>who are from a health perspective..
>She also actually has food in her mouth and that is always something I 
>turn away from no matter who is eating..
>
>ann
>
>On 11/28/2016 12:09 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> Hmm… Interested in how you define “this kind of shot.”
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:01 PM, ann sanfedele 
>wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing
>this..
>>>
>>> I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now I
>find it difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..
>>>
>>> ann
>>>
>>> On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
 Mean?

 m

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele 
>wrote:
>
> Now that's just mean..
>
> ann
>
>
> On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
>>
>> Comments, as always, welcomed.
>>
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[ann sanfedele]

It's complicated, but I certainly mocked obesity in some street photos 
in the past and I feel bad about it now... though I worry about friends 
who are from a health perspective..
She also actually has food in her mouth and that is always something I 
turn away from no matter who is eating..


ann

On 11/28/2016 12:09 AM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Hmm… Interested in how you define “this kind of shot.”

m



On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing this..

I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now I find it 
difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..

ann

On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Mean?

m


On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Now that's just mean..

ann


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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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Hmm… Interested in how you define “this kind of shot.” 

m 


> On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:01 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing this..
> 
> I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now I find it 
> difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..
> 
> ann
> 
> On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> Mean?
>> 
>> m
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Now that's just mean..
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
 http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
 
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RE: PESO - Lakeside

[Malcolm Smith]

Marco Alpert wrote:

Thanks. No, I didn’t get comments. I almost never do. In most cases no one even 
notices. There are, of course, the occasional exceptions:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/temp/busted_c.html


Ha! Brilliant.

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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On 27/11/16, Marco Alpert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>and to anyone else who looked.

I looked ;-)



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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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>There are, of course, the occasional exceptions:
>
>http://www.alpert.com/marco/temp/busted_c.html

I remember seeing "the exception" before.
If only he knew that his "comment" made the image a great one.

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>> On Nov 26, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
>>
>> Marco Alpert wrote:
>>
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
>> +
>>
>> Another great photo. Did you get any comments from your subjects when taking
>> the shot (and do you in general taking street photographs?).
>>
>> Malcolm
>>
>
> Thanks. No, I didn’t get comments. I almost never do. In most cases no one 
> even notices. There are, of course, the occasional exceptions:
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[ann sanfedele]

Yes - I doubt that sadly overweight young woman would enjoy seeing this..

I've taken this kind of shot in the past, I'll admit..  but now I find 
it difficult to look at... rather like facebook shaming..


ann

On 11/27/2016 2:53 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:

Mean?

m


On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

Now that's just mean..

ann


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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Marco Alpert]

Thanks, Bulent. And thanks to Jack, Ann, Philip, Paul and Malcolm for the 
comments, and to anyone else who looked.

m

> On Nov 27, 2016, at 1:22 AM, Bulent Celasun  wrote:
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> Oh!
> Certainly not the "Lakeside" I was hoping for.
> Funny, though :)
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> 2016-11-27 0:47 GMT+03:00 Marco Alpert :
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
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> On Nov 26, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Malcolm Smith  wrote:
> 
> Marco Alpert wrote:
> 
> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
> +
> 
> Another great photo. Did you get any comments from your subjects when taking
> the shot (and do you in general taking street photographs?).
> 
> Malcolm
> 

Thanks. No, I didn’t get comments. I almost never do. In most cases no one even 
notices. There are, of course, the occasional exceptions:

http://www.alpert.com/marco/temp/busted_c.html

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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Mean?

m

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 5:03 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Now that's just mean..
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Bulent Celasun]

Oh!
Certainly not the "Lakeside" I was hoping for.
Funny, though :)

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Marco Alpert wrote:

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Paul Stenquist]

What Ann said, but well done.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 26, 2016, at 8:03 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
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> Now that's just mean..
> 
> ann
> 
> 
>> On 11/26/2016 4:47 PM, Marco Alpert wrote:
>> http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo16/peso34.html
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Now that's just mean..

ann


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[Philip Northeast]

I love black and white street photography.  Interesting contrast in 
characters



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Appears to me the two friends on either side of the heavy eater have given up 
urging the eater between them to stick to her diet.

J

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PESO - Lakeside

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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I like this, Brian.  It is very peaceful, and reminds me of the lakeside summer 
scenes I am so fond of in New Hampshire.

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 Subject: PESO - Lakeside
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 Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 5:51 AM
 G'day all
 
 I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work
 but I was attracted by the dark reflection of these trees in
 the water and, as I was quite a distance away, I had to use
 the 80-320 zoom.  
 
 This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I,
 for reasons only explainable by the several glasses of
 Hunter River Shiraz consumed previously, photographed in
 portrait format.
 
 The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I
 resampled the crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with
 the result, but I could  have saved myself the trouble if
 I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in
 landscape format in the first place).
 
 
 http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html
 
 
 
 Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.
 
 
 Cheers
 
 Brian
 
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[Brian Walters]

Thanks, Dave.  It was the contrast that first drew my attention to the
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 Nice. I like the colours ans the contrast between the trunks and foliage.
 
 Dave
 




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  G'day all
 
  I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work but I was attracted 
  by the dark reflection of these trees in the water and, as I was quite a 
  distance away, I had to use the 80-320 zoom.
 
  This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for reasons only 
  explainable by the several glasses of Hunter River Shiraz consumed 
  previously, photographed in portrait format.
 
  The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I resampled the 
  crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with the result, but I could  have saved 
  myself the trouble if I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in 
  landscape format in the first place).
 
 
  http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html
 
 
 
  Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.
 
 
  Cheers
 
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Brian Walters]

Thanks, Rick

Corunna Lake is a very peaceful spot


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 I like this, Brian.  It is very peaceful, and reminds me of the lakeside
 summer scenes I am so fond of in New Hampshire.
 
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 --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
  From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm
  Subject: PESO - Lakeside
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 5:51 AM
  G'day all
  
  I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work
  but I was attracted by the dark reflection of these trees in
  the water and, as I was quite a distance away, I had to use
  the 80-320 zoom.  
  
  This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I,
  for reasons only explainable by the several glasses of
  Hunter River Shiraz consumed previously, photographed in
  portrait format.
  
  The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I
  resampled the crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with
  the result, but I could  have saved myself the trouble if
  I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in
  landscape format in the first place).
  
  
  http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html
  
  
  
  Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.
  
  
  Cheers
  
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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Nice. I like the colours ans the contrast between the trunks and foliage.

Dave

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 G'day all

 I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work but I was attracted by 
 the dark reflection of these trees in the water and, as I was quite a 
 distance away, I had to use the 80-320 zoom.

 This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for reasons only 
 explainable by the several glasses of Hunter River Shiraz consumed 
 previously, photographed in portrait format.

 The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I resampled the 
 crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with the result, but I could  have saved 
 myself the trouble if I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in 
 landscape format in the first place).


 http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html



 Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.


 Cheers

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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Thanks, Jack. Also Bob S, Christine, Frank, John, Joseph, Ken and
Marnie.  Comments much appreciated.

Ken

BTW I use my 300 all the time for landscapes.

Yes, I have to overcome my tendency to always reach for a wide angle
lens for landscapes.


John

And in the U.S. version of the English language, barbecued snags would be?

Very well cooked sausages of fairly ordinary quality and of unknown
composition (sometimes ignorance is a blessing)  :-)


A vertical composition could work if you wanted to emphasize the
foreground reflection of the trees. I might try something like that.

I looked at several ways to crop the original but no vertical crop
seemed to provide the 'balance' to the scene that the horizontal crop
achieved.


Bob S

Nice.  Did your original have more water or sky?

No sky - just equal amounts of trees and lake and it really didn't work
well.  



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On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:22 -0800, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 
 Having done your considerable part, obviously, the 80~320 certainly
 performed well. Crisp image, with heavy crop, shot at 140mm.
 Like it, Brian!
 
 Jack
 
 
 --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
  From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm
  Subject: PESO - Lakeside
  To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
  Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 2:51 AM
  G'day all
  
  I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work
  but I was attracted by the dark reflection of these trees in
  the water and, as I was quite a distance away, I had to use
  the 80-320 zoom.  
  
  This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I,
  for reasons only explainable by the several glasses of
  Hunter River Shiraz consumed previously, photographed in
  portrait format.
  
  The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I
  resampled the crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with
  the result, but I could  have saved myself the trouble if
  I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in
  landscape format in the first place).
  
  
  http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html
  
  
  
  Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.
  
  
  Cheers
  
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work but I was attracted by the dark reflection of these trees in the water and, as I was quite a distance away, I had to use the 80-320 zoom.  


This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for reasons only 
explainable by the several glasses of Hunter River Shiraz consumed previously, 
photographed in portrait format.

The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I resampled the crop 
back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with the result, but I could  have saved myself 
the trouble if I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in landscape 
format in the first place).


http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html


Nice shot and good edit (making it landscape rather than portrait). 
Love the light and color.


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John Sessoms wrote:



And in the U.S. version of the English language, barbecued snags would 
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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Kenneth Waller
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Subject: Re: PESO - Lakeside



Thanks, Jack. Also Bob S, Christine, Frank, John, Joseph, Ken and
Marnie.  Comments much appreciated.

Ken


BTW I use my 300 all the time for landscapes.


Yes, I have to overcome my tendency to always reach for a wide angle
lens for landscapes.


Geo Lepp coined the phrase 'optical extraction' for this.




John

And in the U.S. version of the English language, barbecued snags would 
be?


Very well cooked sausages of fairly ordinary quality and of unknown
composition (sometimes ignorance is a blessing)  :-)



A vertical composition could work if you wanted to emphasize the
foreground reflection of the trees. I might try something like that.


I looked at several ways to crop the original but no vertical crop
seemed to provide the 'balance' to the scene that the horizontal crop
achieved.


Bob S


Nice.  Did your original have more water or sky?


No sky - just equal amounts of trees and lake and it really didn't work
well.



Cheers

Brian

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On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:22 -0800, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com
wrote:


Having done your considerable part, obviously, the 80~320 certainly
performed well. Crisp image, with heavy crop, shot at 140mm.
Like it, Brian!

Jack


--- On Thu, 3/5/09, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm
 Subject: PESO - Lakeside
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 2:51 AM
 G'day all

 I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work
 but I was attracted by the dark reflection of these trees in
 the water and, as I was quite a distance away, I had to use
 the 80-320 zoom.

 This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I,
 for reasons only explainable by the several glasses of
 Hunter River Shiraz consumed previously, photographed in
 portrait format.

 The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I
 resampled the crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with
 the result, but I could  have saved myself the trouble if
 I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in
 landscape format in the first place).


 http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html



 Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.


 Cheers

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

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In a message dated 3/6/2009 11:04:14 A.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
kwal...@peoplepc.com writes:
Kenneth  Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f

 Yes, I have to overcome my  tendency to always reach for a wide angle
 lens for  landscapes.

Geo Lepp coined the phrase 'optical extraction' for  this.
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Yes, I have to overcome my  tendency to always reach for a wide angle
lens for  landscapes.


Geo Lepp coined the phrase 'optical extraction' for  this.
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??? Clarification?

Marnie aka Doe  Don't quite  get it.


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In a message dated 3/6/2009 3:03:35 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
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 Geo Lepp coined the  phrase 'optical extraction' for  this.
 =
 ???  Clarification?
 
 Marnie aka Doe  Don't quite  get  it.

I take it as using a long lens to optically extract a subscene from  the 
overall scene, similarly to cropping at print time.

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I sort of thought it  was something like that. 

Unless it had to do with it taking longer to  extract a long lens from a c
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Geo Lepp coined the phrase 'optical extraction' for  this.
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??? Clarification?



As posted here, taken out of context.

Geo used the term optical extraction when using a long lens to pick out 
scenes of interest at a distance.


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Subject: Re: PESO - Lakeside



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Kenneth  Waller
http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f


Yes, I have to overcome my  tendency to always reach for a wide angle
lens for  landscapes.


Geo Lepp coined the phrase 'optical extraction' for  this.
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??? Clarification?

Marnie aka Doe  Don't quite  get it.



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Bingo !

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Subject: Re: PESO - Lakeside



eactiv...@aol.com wrote:


Yes, I have to overcome my  tendency to always reach for a wide angle
lens for  landscapes.


Geo Lepp coined the phrase 'optical extraction' for  this.
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My head does funny things sometimes  with what people say.


Mark !

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In a message dated 3/6/2009 3:03:35 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
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Geo Lepp coined the  phrase 'optical extraction' for  this.
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???  Clarification?

Marnie aka Doe  Don't quite  get  it.


I take it as using a long lens to optically extract a subscene from  the
overall scene, similarly to cropping at print time.

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I sort of thought it  was something like that.

Unless it had to do with it taking longer to  extract a long lens from a c
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PESO - Lakeside

[Brian Walters]

G'day all

I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work but I was attracted by 
the dark reflection of these trees in the water and, as I was quite a distance 
away, I had to use the 80-320 zoom.  

This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for reasons only 
explainable by the several glasses of Hunter River Shiraz consumed previously, 
photographed in portrait format.

The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I resampled the crop 
back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with the result, but I could  have saved myself 
the trouble if I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in landscape 
format in the first place).


http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html



Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.


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 G'day all
 
 I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work but I 
 was attracted by the dark reflection of these trees in the 
 water and, as I was quite a distance away, I had to use the 
 80-320 zoom.  
 
 This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for 
 reasons only explainable by the several glasses of Hunter 
 River Shiraz consumed previously, photographed in portrait format.
 

That's what you get for choosing wine by the grape variety instead of the
terroir. It would never have happened with a 1990 Cote de Beaune.


 The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I 
 resampled the crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with the 
 result, but I could  have saved myself the trouble if I'd 
 been competent enough to take a few shots in landscape format 
 in the first place).
 
 
 http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html
 
 
 
 Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.
 

It's a very nice shot for all that. Beautiful light and texture, nicely
composed.

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On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html

hi Brian,

that's beautiful. lovely light and framing...

regards, subash

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On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:19 +, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:
  G'day all
  
  I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work but I 
  was attracted by the dark reflection of these trees in the 
  water and, as I was quite a distance away, I had to use the 
  80-320 zoom.  
  
  This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for 
  reasons only explainable by the several glasses of Hunter 
  River Shiraz consumed previously, photographed in portrait format.
  
 
 That's what you get for choosing wine by the grape variety instead of the
 terroir. It would never have happened with a 1990 Cote de Beaune.
 


If I'd had a 1990 Cote de Beaune I probably wouldn't have been swilling
it down on top of a couple of barbecued snags either..



 
  
  http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html
  
  
  
 
 It's a very nice shot for all that. Beautiful light and texture, nicely
 composed.
 



Thank you sir.  Much appreciated.



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Thanks, Subash.

(pity, though, that I couldn't have got the framing right in
camera.)


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  http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html
 
 hi Brian,
 
 that's beautiful. lovely light and framing...
 
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Having done your considerable part, obviously, the 80~320 certainly performed 
well. Crisp image, with heavy crop, shot at 140mm.
Like it, Brian!

Jack


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 Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 2:51 AM
 G'day all
 
 I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work
 but I was attracted by the dark reflection of these trees in
 the water and, as I was quite a distance away, I had to use
 the 80-320 zoom.  
 
 This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I,
 for reasons only explainable by the several glasses of
 Hunter River Shiraz consumed previously, photographed in
 portrait format.
 
 The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I
 resampled the crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with
 the result, but I could  have saved myself the trouble if
 I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in
 landscape format in the first place).
 
 
 http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html
 
 
 
 Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.
 
 
 Cheers
 
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Bob Sullivan]

Brian,
Nice.  Did your original have more water or sky?
Regrds,  Bob S.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Having done your considerable part, obviously, the 80~320 certainly performed 
 well. Crisp image, with heavy crop, shot at 140mm.
 Like it, Brian!

 Jack


 --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm
 Subject: PESO - Lakeside
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 2:51 AM
 G'day all

 I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work
 but I was attracted by the dark reflection of these trees in
 the water and, as I was quite a distance away, I had to use
 the 80-320 zoom.

 This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I,
 for reasons only explainable by the several glasses of
 Hunter River Shiraz consumed previously, photographed in
 portrait format.

 The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I
 resampled the crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with
 the result, but I could  have saved myself the trouble if
 I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in
 landscape format in the first place).


 http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html



 Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.


 Cheers

 Brian

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Christine Aguila]

Very pretty, Brian.  Nice light and texture.  the water looks lovely. 
Cheers, Christine





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Subject: PESO - Lakeside



G'day all

I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work but I was attracted 
by the dark reflection of these trees in the water and, as I was quite a 
distance away, I had to use the 80-320 zoom.


This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for reasons only 
explainable by the several glasses of Hunter River Shiraz consumed 
previously, photographed in portrait format.


The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I resampled the 
crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with the result, but I could  have 
saved myself the trouble if I'd been competent enough to take a few shots 
in landscape format in the first place).



http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html



Comments, of course, are extremely welcome.


Cheers

Brian

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[frank theriault]

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 G'day all

 I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work but I was attracted by 
 the dark reflection of these trees in the water and, as I was quite a 
 distance away, I had to use the 80-320 zoom.

 This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for reasons only 
 explainable by the several glasses of Hunter River Shiraz consumed 
 previously, photographed in portrait format.

 The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I resampled the 
 crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with the result, but I could  have saved 
 myself the trouble if I'd been competent enough to take a few shots in 
 landscape format in the first place).


 http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html

Lovely composition!

cheers,
frank

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E: PESO - Lakeside

[John Sessoms]

From: Brian Walters

On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 11:19 +, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote:

  G'day all
  
  I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work but I 
  was attracted by the dark reflection of these trees in the 
  water and, as I was quite a distance away, I had to use the 
  80-320 zoom.  
  
  This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for 
  reasons only explainable by the several glasses of Hunter 
  River Shiraz consumed previously, photographed in portrait format.
  
 
 That's what you get for choosing wine by the grape variety instead of the

 terroir. It would never have happened with a 1990 Cote de Beaune.
 



If I'd had a 1990 Cote de Beaune I probably wouldn't have been swilling
it down on top of a couple of barbecued snags either..


And in the U.S. version of the English language, barbecued snags would be?

A vertical composition could work if you wanted to emphasize the 
foreground reflection of the trees. I might try something like that.


Wouldn't be the first time it didn't work either.

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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Joseph McAllister]

On Mar 5, 2009, at 02:51 , Brian Walters wrote:


G'day all

http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html


I would be very happy to have that composition in my gallery, Brian.

It's not the journey, it's the scrapbook.


Joseph McAllister
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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Ken Waller]

Nicely done Brian.

BTW I use my 300 all the time for landscapes.

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm


Subject: PESO - Lakeside



G'day all

I don't often use a telephoto lens for landscape work but I was attracted 
by the dark reflection of these trees in the water and, as I was quite a 
distance away, I had to use the 80-320 zoom.


This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for reasons only 
explainable by the several glasses of Hunter River Shiraz consumed 
previously, photographed in portrait format.


The crop is just over half of the original. (As an aside, I resampled the 
crop back up to 6 MP and I'm happy with the result, but I could  have 
saved myself the trouble if I'd been competent enough to take a few shots 
in landscape format in the first place).



http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html



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Re: PESO - Lakeside

[Eactivist]

In a message dated 3/5/2009 2:51:36 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
supera1...@fastmail.fm writes:

Very nice, like it a lot.  Even after all your mea clupas. Good colors.

Marnie  :-)

==
G'day all

I don't often use a telephoto lens for  landscape work but I was attracted by 
the dark reflection of these trees in the  water and, as I was quite a 
distance away, I had to use the 80-320 zoom.   

This is a horizontal crop of the original image which I, for reasons  only 
explainable by the several glasses of Hunter River Shiraz consumed  previously, 
photographed in portrait format.

The crop is just over half  of the original. (As an aside, I resampled the 
crop back up to 6 MP and I'm  happy with the result, but I could  have saved 
myself the trouble if I'd  been competent enough to take a few shots in 
landscape 
format in the first  place).


http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/129678/Lakeside.html



Comments,  of course, are extremely  welcome.


Cheers

Brian


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