Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[ann sanfedele]

sounds reasonable...

ann

On 4/10/2017 7:09 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were caught out by a 
sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be warmed up again. That 
would be appropriate for Easter. Only a herpetologist or a theologian would 
know.

B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund  wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I think 
I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a bit sad today. Here 
I go:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an explanation of what I saw. 
Well, I think I know what this is; it's what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a 
small lizard. The thing is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was 
pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his maker, 
run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps nothing 
extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these in a similar state, all on a pawed path. 
This made me wonder what was going on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it 
through the winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of them "in the open" 
like this.

Any theories?

- Toralf



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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

Interesting...

On 11/04/17 03:48, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Or, maybe it was a lizard rain...
If it can rain frogs, it could rain lizards, perhaps...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_of_animals
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/rain-frog.htm 



Igor


Bob W-PDML Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:10:51 -0700 wrote:

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were caught 
out by a sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be warmed 
up again. That would be appropriate for Easter. Only a herpetologist 
or a theologian would know.



B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund  wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and 
I think
I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a 
bit sad

today. Here I go:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's 
what's
known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is 
(the sad
part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining 
for the
fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to 
meet his
maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, 
and so
on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 
of these
in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was 
going

on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it through the
winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of them "in 
the open"

like this.

Any theories?

- Toralf





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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

On 11/04/17 05:14, Ken Waller wrote:

Maybe his warranty ran out!   (;-)

Of course :-)

- T


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From: Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net>
Subject: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I
think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps
a bit sad today. Here I go:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's
what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing
is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was
pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired
and gone to meet his maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin'
choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I
actually saw 15-20 of these in a similar state, all on a pawed path.
This made me wonder what was going on. I mean, perhaps these poor
creatures just didn't make it through the winter, but I think it's a bit
strange to find several of them "in the open" like this.

Any theories?

- Toralf





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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

Yes. I learned something new, too.

As far as I know, we have two different species of newts here, and they 
are both considered as endangered. It hadn't occurred to me that you 
might come across them at this particular location, although it has a 
couple of ponds which I think are artificial. On the other hand, I'd 
heard that they can be found in a certain area a couple of kilometres 
away...


- Toralf

On 11/04/17 18:52, Alan C wrote:

Very interesting, Toralf.

I have never seen one. There are no indigenous Newts in SA although I 
read that Italian Crested Newts were brought in as "pets" and some 
have escaped into the wild.


Alan C

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On 11/04/17 06:37, Alan C wrote:
It is surprising that lizards can survive your winter conditions at 
all yet

obviously some do.

Yeah, maybe that's the surprising bit. Apparently, you can find them in
much more northerly parts of the country...

  Many reptiles are able to survive very cold conditions
by hibernating. Even here, where it doesn't get very cold, the lizards &
snakes tend to be quite sluggish on cooler mornings.

Quite. I few years ago I actually came across a slow-worm on the
pavement near where I live. This was an a cool evening rather than
morning, and the English name of the creature seemed quite appropriate,
if you know what I mean.


I would say those are
in the process of emerging from hibernation. Perhaps you should have
observed them over an extended period?

Anyhow, I actually asked the natural history museum, and according to
them, this is in fact not a lizard after all, but rather a newt in its
"terrestrial phase", also known as an "eft". I thought these would have
flatter and thicker tails, but I guess that's something that they
develop later... Apparently, they will wander from their place of
hibernation to dams around this time, and run a great risk of drying out
if it's too sunny. There is also a change that they have been forced out
into the sun because their place has been disturbed.

- Toralf


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML
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Subject: Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were 
caught out by a sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be 
warmed up again. That would be appropriate for Easter. Only a 
herpetologist or a theologian would know.


B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net> wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, 
and I think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange 
and perhaps a bit sad today. Here I go:


http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an 
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's 
what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The 
thing is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still 
because he was pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, 
ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his maker, run down the 
curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps 
nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these in 
a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was 
going on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it 
through the winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several 
of them "in the open" like this.


Any theories?

- Toralf



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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

On 11/04/17 19:11, Gonz wrote:

Perhaps they didn't cross at the right place:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/11310996113/in/album-72157638562423716/lightbox/

Brilliant.

Maybe I should contact the local authorities, and demand that they put 
up a sign like that :-)


- Toralf





On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Toralf Lund  wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I
think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a
bit sad today. Here I go:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's what's
known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is (the sad
part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining for the
fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his
maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so
on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these
in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was going
on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it through the
winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of them "in the open"
like this.

Any theories?

- Toralf



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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Gonz]

Perhaps they didn't cross at the right place:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/66982297@N02/11310996113/in/album-72157638562423716/lightbox/


On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Toralf Lund  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I
> think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a
> bit sad today. Here I go:
>
> http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle
>
> Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
> explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's what's
> known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is (the sad
> part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining for the
> fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his
> maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so
> on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these
> in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was going
> on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it through the
> winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of them "in the open"
> like this.
>
> Any theories?
>
> - Toralf
>
>
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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Alan C]

Very interesting, Toralf.

I have never seen one. There are no indigenous Newts in SA although I read 
that Italian Crested Newts were brought in as "pets" and some have escaped 
into the wild.


Alan C

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On 11/04/17 06:37, Alan C wrote:
It is surprising that lizards can survive your winter conditions at all 
yet

obviously some do.

Yeah, maybe that's the surprising bit. Apparently, you can find them in
much more northerly parts of the country...

  Many reptiles are able to survive very cold conditions
by hibernating. Even here, where it doesn't get very cold, the lizards &
snakes tend to be quite sluggish on cooler mornings.

Quite. I few years ago I actually came across a slow-worm on the
pavement near where I live. This was an a cool evening rather than
morning, and the English name of the creature seemed quite appropriate,
if you know what I mean.


I would say those are
in the process of emerging from hibernation. Perhaps you should have
observed them over an extended period?

Anyhow, I actually asked the natural history museum, and according to
them, this is in fact not a lizard after all, but rather a newt in its
"terrestrial phase", also known as an "eft". I thought these would have
flatter and thicker tails, but I guess that's something that they
develop later... Apparently, they will wander from their place of
hibernation to dams around this time, and run a great risk of drying out
if it's too sunny. There is also a change that they have been forced out
into the sun because their place has been disturbed.

- Toralf


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 1:09 AM
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Subject: Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were caught out 
by a sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be warmed up again. 
That would be appropriate for Easter. Only a herpetologist or a theologian 
would know.


B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net> wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I 
think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps 
a bit sad today. Here I go:


http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an 
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's what's 
known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is (the 
sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining 
for the fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone 
to meet his maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir 
invisible, and so on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I 
actually saw 15-20 of these in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This 
made me wonder what was going on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures 
just didn't make it through the winter, but I think it's a bit strange to 
find several of them "in the open" like this.


Any theories?

- Toralf



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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Gonz]

Lizard rapture


On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Toralf Lund  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I
> think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a
> bit sad today. Here I go:
>
> http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle
>
> Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
> explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's what's
> known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is (the sad
> part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining for the
> fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his
> maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so
> on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these
> in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was going
> on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it through the
> winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of them "in the open"
> like this.
>
> Any theories?
>
> - Toralf
>
>
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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

On 11/04/17 06:37, Alan C wrote:
It is surprising that lizards can survive your winter conditions at 
all yet

obviously some do.
Yeah, maybe that's the surprising bit. Apparently, you can find them in 
much more northerly parts of the country...

  Many reptiles are able to survive very cold conditions
by hibernating. Even here, where it doesn't get very cold, the lizards &
snakes tend to be quite sluggish on cooler mornings.
Quite. I few years ago I actually came across a slow-worm on the 
pavement near where I live. This was an a cool evening rather than 
morning, and the English name of the creature seemed quite appropriate, 
if you know what I mean.



I would say those are
in the process of emerging from hibernation. Perhaps you should have
observed them over an extended period?
Anyhow, I actually asked the natural history museum, and according to 
them, this is in fact not a lizard after all, but rather a newt in its 
"terrestrial phase", also known as an "eft". I thought these would have 
flatter and thicker tails, but I guess that's something that they 
develop later... Apparently, they will wander from their place of 
hibernation to dams around this time, and run a great risk of drying out 
if it's too sunny. There is also a change that they have been forced out 
into the sun because their place has been disturbed.


- Toralf


Alan C

-Original Message- From: Bob W-PDML
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 1:09 AM
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Subject: Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were caught 
out by a sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be warmed 
up again. That would be appropriate for Easter. Only a herpetologist 
or a theologian would know.


B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net> wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and 
I think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and 
perhaps a bit sad today. Here I go:


http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an 
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's 
what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The 
thing is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still 
because he was pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, 
ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his maker, run down the 
curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps 
nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these in a 
similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was 
going on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it 
through the winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of 
them "in the open" like this.


Any theories?

- Toralf



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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Alan C]

It is surprising that lizards can survive your winter conditions at all yet
obviously some do.  Many reptiles are able to survive very cold conditions
by hibernating. Even here, where it doesn't get very cold, the lizards &
snakes tend to be quite sluggish on cooler mornings. I would say those are
in the process of emerging from hibernation. Perhaps you should have
observed them over an extended period?

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: Bob W-PDML

Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 1:09 AM
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Subject: Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were caught out 
by a sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be warmed up again. 
That would be appropriate for Easter. Only a herpetologist or a theologian 
would know.


B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net> wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I 
think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a 
bit sad today. Here I go:


http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an 
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's what's 
known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is (the 
sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining for 
the fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to 
meet his maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir 
invisible, and so on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I 
actually saw 15-20 of these in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This 
made me wonder what was going on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures 
just didn't make it through the winter, but I think it's a bit strange to 
find several of them "in the open" like this.


Any theories?

- Toralf



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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Ken Waller]

Maybe his warranty ran out!   (;-)

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>From: Toralf Lund <tor...@toralf.net>
>Subject: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?
>
>Hi,
>
>There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I 
>think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps 
>a bit sad today. Here I go:
>
>http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle
>
>Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an 
>explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's 
>what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing 
>is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was 
>pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired 
>and gone to meet his maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' 
>choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I 
>actually saw 15-20 of these in a similar state, all on a pawed path. 
>This made me wonder what was going on. I mean, perhaps these poor 
>creatures just didn't make it through the winter, but I think it's a bit 
>strange to find several of them "in the open" like this.
>
>Any theories?
>
>- Toralf


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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Igor PDML-StR]

Or, maybe it was a lizard rain...
If it can rain frogs, it could rain lizards, perhaps...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rain_of_animals
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/storms/rain-frog.htm

Igor


Bob W-PDML Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:10:51 -0700 wrote:

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were caught out 
by a sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be warmed up again. 
That would be appropriate for Easter. Only a herpetologist or a theologian 
would know.



B


On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund  wrote:

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I think
I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a bit sad
today. Here I go:

http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's what's
known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is (the sad
part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining for the
fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his
maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so
on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these
in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was going
on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it through the
winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of them "in the open"
like this.

Any theories?

- Toralf


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Re: PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Bob W-PDML]

Perhaps they were pottering along in the warm sunshine but were caught out by a 
sudden cold snap and are simply frozen waiting to be warmed up again. That 
would be appropriate for Easter. Only a herpetologist or a theologian would 
know.

B

> On 10 Apr 2017, at 23:01, Toralf Lund  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I think 
> I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps a bit sad 
> today. Here I go:
> 
> http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle
> 
> Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an 
> explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's what's 
> known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing is (the sad 
> part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was pining for the 
> fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired and gone to meet his 
> maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible, and so 
> on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I actually saw 15-20 of these 
> in a similar state, all on a pawed path. This made me wonder what was going 
> on. I mean, perhaps these poor creatures just didn't make it through the 
> winter, but I think it's a bit strange to find several of them "in the open" 
> like this.
> 
> Any theories?
> 
> - Toralf
> 
> 
> 
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PESO - Lizard(s), passed on?

[Toralf Lund]

Hi,

There seems to have been a number of "what is this" PESOs lately, and I 
think I'll post one, too, as I came across something strange and perhaps 
a bit sad today. Here I go:


http://se.toralf.net/post/159427976638/firfisle

Not the best of pictures, but the point is to ask if anyone have an 
explanation of what I saw. Well, I think I know what this is; it's 
what's known as "firfisle" around here, i.e. a small lizard. The thing 
is (the sad part), I don't think he was sitting so still because he was 
pining for the fjords, but rather had passed on, ceased to be, expired 
and gone to meet his maker, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' 
choir invisible, and so on. Perhaps nothing extraordinary, either, but I 
actually saw 15-20 of these in a similar state, all on a pawed path. 
This made me wonder what was going on. I mean, perhaps these poor 
creatures just didn't make it through the winter, but I think it's a bit 
strange to find several of them "in the open" like this.


Any theories?

- Toralf



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