Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On Jan 10, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: The best I heard is registering the phone in the dog's name. They knew immediately when it was a telemarketer. Good trick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santos_L._Halper I remember a guy a long time ago who registered his car in the name of his 4-year-old daughter so he could get away with speeding tickets. You've probably already guessed that it didn't work. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On 10/01/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember a guy a long time ago who registered his car in the name of his 4-year-old daughter so he could get away with speeding tickets. You've probably already guessed that it didn't work. A feline was recently issued a credit card with a AU$4200 limit here is Oz ;-) http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21007941-2862,00.html -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:52 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: I registered my home phone in a totally fictitious name. Anyone who asks for that person only hears the click as I hang up. A friend of mine always did that. He used the name Noah Vail ;-) One of my pseudonyms is Bendt Dikk Hansen. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 11:19:44 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated) keith_w wrote: Adam Maas wrote: [...] The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). -Adam Oh? [C]orrect English, you say? H. keith whaley Yes, as defined by the OED, not by Websters. Correct Canadian usage is UK English, not American usage. 'Pas en Quebec. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jan 8, 2007, at 9:02 PM, SJ wrote: like adam said, 'z' is the american usage... But we don't advertize that fact. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The best I heard is registering the phone in the dog's name. They knew immediately when it was a telemarketer. Regards, Bob S. On 1/8/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: Same here, often Mrs Smiths from New Delhi :-( Our phone line is listed in my partner's name and we occasionally receive telemarketing calls for a Mister with her surname (which they always pronounce wrong). I can tell them with a clear conscience that that person doesn't live here :) - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
Bob Shell wrote: I registered my home phone in a totally fictitious name. Anyone who asks for that person only hears the click as I hang up. A friend of mine always did that. He used the name Noah Vail ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:18 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: The best I heard is registering the phone in the dog's name. They knew immediately when it was a telemarketer. I registered my home phone in a totally fictitious name. Anyone who asks for that person only hears the click as I hang up. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On 10/01/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I registered my home phone in a totally fictitious name. Anyone who asks for that person only hears the click as I hang up. Amazing, even to obtain a pay-as-you-go SIM card you have to provide approved photo ID such as a drivers license in Oz. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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keith_w wrote: On the other hand, you say, Correct Canadian usage is UK English... Do you know who made that so? Is the Queen on their money? There's your answer. :-) -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I think those are nice example but they do not generate any buzz in my brain. Variations like Elevator/Lift are more notable and Through / Thru is like touching Reset button of my computer. Same with Night/Nite ... I feel like those american spellings jumping into my eyes and making fun of me ;) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- *ist-D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Neither nite nor thru are correct for formal prose use. They're alternative spellings based on US English sound correlates, usually used for signage contraction, to save space and/or draw attention *because* they are 'wrong' and thus acceptable because they get the message across. Godfrey On Jan 9, 2007, at 7:07 AM, Thibouille wrote: I think those are nice example but they do not generate any buzz in my brain. Variations like Elevator/Lift are more notable and Through / Thru is like touching Reset button of my computer. Same with Night/Nite ... I feel like those american spellings jumping into my eyes and making fun of me ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Well, in the American dictionary we use as the official source for Scrabble play, both night/nite color/colour realize/realise are good - though the s version is considered British as is the our ending . But night/nite is just a modern cutseyism(I just invented this word) We get a lot of that's not a word from non Scrabble pro's - and many atrocities are duly noted but accepted for competitive play. elevator/lift is quite another matter - not much to do with spelling, actually :) but certainly a signal that the person who was writing to you was from one place or another. ann Thibouille wrote: I think those are nice example but they do not generate any buzz in my brain. Variations like Elevator/Lift are more notable and Through / Thru is like touching Reset button of my computer. Same with Night/Nite ... I feel like those american spellings jumping into my eyes and making fun of me ;) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 04:07:41PM +0100, Thibouille wrote: I think those are nice example but they do not generate any buzz in my brain. Variations like Elevator/Lift are more notable and Through / Thru is like touching Reset button of my computer. Same with Night/Nite ... I feel like those american spellings jumping into my eyes and making fun of me ;) The ones that grate to my ear are things like gotten instead of got. There are also words like burglarized, which sounds really odd to me. Imagine my surprise when the OED shows this as the original variant; burgled is a much newer formation. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Neither Thru nor Nite is correct in any variation of English, I know of. Thibouille wrote: I think those are nice example but they do not generate any buzz in my brain. Variations like Elevator/Lift are more notable and Through / Thru is like touching Reset button of my computer. Same with Night/Nite ... I feel like those american spellings jumping into my eyes and making fun of me ;) -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In the US you buy them in a bubble pack and pay cash... Digital Image Studio wrote: On 10/01/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I registered my home phone in a totally fictitious name. Anyone who asks for that person only hears the click as I hang up. Amazing, even to obtain a pay-as-you-go SIM card you have to provide approved photo ID such as a drivers license in Oz. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Despite the grating 'gotten' is okay. Look it up in your Oxford. Another one that's interesting is plow, that, in UK English is plough. Plow is older and closer to the original than plough. Don John Francis wrote: On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 04:07:41PM +0100, Thibouille wrote: I think those are nice example but they do not generate any buzz in my brain. Variations like Elevator/Lift are more notable and Through / Thru is like touching Reset button of my computer. Same with Night/Nite ... I feel like those american spellings jumping into my eyes and making fun of me ;) The ones that grate to my ear are things like gotten instead of got. There are also words like burglarized, which sounds really odd to me. Imagine my surprise when the OED shows this as the original variant; burgled is a much newer formation. -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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What makes me shake my head is the people who get into their car, start the engine, fire up the mobile and drive off - sans seat-belt too! Then watch them negotiate the next corner in a manual car with no hands to work the gear stick! FWIW, I use a pre-paid for all mobile calls, because I couldn't see the sense in paying $20 a month on the lowest plan when I actually make about $2 worth of calls per month. I divert my work phone to it because I do need to hear whose calling me - but I won't answer while driving, and I will quickly cut off tele-marketers on any phone... John Coyle Praxis Data Solutions (www.epraxisdata.com) Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:27 AM Subject: Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated Kenneth Waller wrote: I see the issue with cell phones is that many people let the phones rule them. If it rings it must be answered. Its a tool as such the user should be in control not vice versa. It's not just cell phones, either. I've seen the same thing with email and land-line phones, too. I used to suffer from it, way back when. Then I got an answering machine and learned to let a ringing phone ring. :-) Some people just go bonkers when the phone rings or they hear You have mail (or whatever) to announce incoming email. I'm an old fart ... and I've been working on curmudgeon since I was about 31. I got over ringing phones long time ago. About cell phones, the ones that kill me are the ones that walk out of the house, and fire up the cell phone even before they get into their car to leave. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
Yep. Now I 'only' get 1-2 unsolicited sales calls a week. If I only got one every two months it wouldn't be a problem. Mind you, that still doesn't get rid of the biggest source of unwanted calls (especially in the late evening) - our phone number is one simple digit transposition away from the local Blockbuster Video/DVD rental store. On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 12:42:31AM -0600, Bob Sullivan wrote: Same here, usually at dinnertime, until they implemented national 'do not call' lists and laws with $200 fines. Regards, Bob S. On 1/8/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/01/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/8/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Unsolicited canvassing calls amount to probably less than half a dozen a year. We get about 3-4 per day on average. Same here, often Mrs Smiths from New Delhi :-( -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On 08/01/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind you, that still doesn't get rid of the biggest source of unwanted calls (especially in the late evening) - our phone number is one simple digit transposition away from the local Blockbuster Video/DVD rental store. Oh the Joy. A friend of mine once had a number that was commonly mis-dialled by listeners attempting to dial a local radio stations competition line. For some entertainment he put together a bogus winners message on his answer machine which was quite rude, a lot of people still left their details. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/08 Mon AM 08:11:31 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated On 08/01/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind you, that still doesn't get rid of the biggest source of unwanted calls (especially in the late evening) - our phone number is one simple digit transposition away from the local Blockbuster Video/DVD rental store. Oh the Joy. A friend of mine once had a number that was commonly mis-dialled by listeners attempting to dial a local radio stations competition line. For some entertainment he put together a bogus winners message on his answer machine which was quite rude, a lot of people still left their details. Despite being listed only in Yellow Pages, under Ecological Consultancies, my company, having one letter different to a major UK houseware retailer, still gets calls asking if the local shop is open. I suspect that they are getting the number from directory enquiries. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Unsolicited canvassing calls amount to probably less than half a dozen a year. We get / make many calls to / from friends and relatives. Call me old-fashioned, but chatting using voice is still my preferred method of communication with fellow humans. I answer all the calls I get* and I get at least two canvassing calls a day on average. It's got to the stage that when I don't recognise someone's voice I automatically ask if they're trying to sell me something. Once or twice a year I'm pleasantly surprised with it not being a cold call. We also get a lot of doorstep calls - although I expect this is a living in London thing which puts us above the national average on both types of caller. * Assuming you get to it in time. I've set the answer 'phone to a long wait before cutting in to allow me to get to the 'phone and I normally stop what I'm doing immediately if there is a knock at the door, but you'd be surprised how many won't wait even a few seconds for a reply. Why bother at all? Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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When you dial another person's phone you are asking to be allowed to take up some of their time. It's like entering a room where someone is busy doing his or her own thing. You intrude upon their space and may, or may not, be welcome. I often find the telephone a bloody nuisance and may choose not to answer. I might be busy with a preparation, or following and videoing critters under a microscope, or just reading. There is no obligation on the part of the owner of a phone to answer a call, or the occupant of a house to open the door to someone who knocks. I think one needs to take this into consideration when placing a call, or pressing a doorbell. I only have a cell phone now having give up landlines years ago, I can see who is calling. If the number is withheld I never, ever, answer. Skype is a much more useful way of communicating these days. I have a couple of Web Cameras connected and can even demonstrate things on a microscope using one that has been modified for the purpose. And it is such a simple matter to block unwanted calls. A friend in San Jose makes parts on his CNC machines for a project I have going here. I can see how things are progressing live, without having to lay out enormous sums for International calls -- without video. I remember attending Video conferences at Nokia ten or twelve years ago using equipment that cost tens of thousands of dollars. The only inconvenience is that it takes a week for the finished parts to reach Finland. D Malcolm Smith wrote: Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Unsolicited canvassing calls amount to probably less than half a dozen a year. We get / make many calls to / from friends and relatives. Call me old-fashioned, but chatting using voice is still my preferred method of communication with fellow humans. I answer all the calls I get* and I get at least two canvassing calls a day on average. It's got to the stage that when I don't recognise someone's voice I automatically ask if they're trying to sell me something. Once or twice a year I'm pleasantly surprised with it not being a cold call. We also get a lot of doorstep calls - although I expect this is a living in London thing which puts us above the national average on both types of caller. * Assuming you get to it in time. I've set the answer 'phone to a long wait before cutting in to allow me to get to the 'phone and I normally stop what I'm doing immediately if there is a knock at the door, but you'd be surprised how many won't wait even a few seconds for a reply. Why bother at all? Malcolm -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On Jan 7, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: And I must admit I'm far less inclined to answer any phone these days if the senders caller ID has been suppressed. I simply don't answer such calls. None of the people who should be calling me have suppressed caller IDs. Let them talk to the voicemail. I haven't missed a call of any significance yet. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jan 7, 2007, at 6:27 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: About cell phones, the ones that kill me are the ones that walk out of the house, and fire up the cell phone even before they get into their car to leave. When I go for a drive around town almost everyone I see has a cell phone glued to their ear and are chattering away. My question: Who in hell are all of these people talking to?? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jan 8, 2007, at 5:10 AM, mike wilson wrote: Despite being listed only in Yellow Pages, under Ecological Consultancies, my company, having one letter different to a major UK houseware retailer, still gets calls asking if the local shop is open. I suspect that they are getting the number from directory enquiries. One year the phone company put my photography studio in the yellow pages under Welding instead of Wedding. We could have sold a lot of acetylene that year !!! And long after the new phone directories came out we kept getting calls because lots of people keep using old directories. It's funny in hindsight, but sure wasn't at the time. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
- Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio Subject: Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated On 08/01/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind you, that still doesn't get rid of the biggest source of unwanted calls (especially in the late evening) - our phone number is one simple digit transposition away from the local Blockbuster Video/DVD rental store. Oh the Joy. A friend of mine once had a number that was commonly mis-dialled by listeners attempting to dial a local radio stations competition line. For some entertainment he put together a bogus winners message on his answer machine which was quite rude, a lot of people still left their details. My phone # was one off of a local gas station. One particularly cold winter, I got the same moron call me every morning for almost a week at about 5:30AM to come and give him a boost. The first 3 times I told him he had a wrong number and went back to bed, the 4th, I told him the truck would be right over, and went back to bed. He didn't call again. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Bob Shell wrote: One year the phone company put my photography studio in the yellow pages under Welding instead of Wedding. We could have sold a lot of acetylene that year !!! snip It's funny in hindsight, but sure wasn't at the time. I apologise for laughing loud :-) Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Digital Image Studio wrote: On 08/01/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: phone number is one simple digit transposition away from the local Blockbuster Video/DVD rental store. mis-dialled by listeners attempting to dial a local radio stations competition line. I don't know what number mine is close to, but I keep getting calls on my cell phone from escort services! Now, if it was close to the number for an escort service, I could understand that ... but who are all these escort services trying to call!? -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/8/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I go for a drive around town almost everyone I see has a cell phone glued to their ear and are chattering away. My question: Who in hell are all of these people talking to?? Bob Maybe some of the older list members can educate me. What did you all do before mobile phones? How did you manage not being in contact with all and sundry 24/7? Dave (I'm being sarcastic) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Digital Image Studio wrote: Oh the Joy. A friend of mine once had a number that was commonly mis-dialled by listeners attempting to dial a local radio stations competition line. For some entertainment he put together a bogus winners message on his answer machine which was quite rude, a lot of people still left their details. The phone here on my desk has a number that is one digit off from that of the local Jeep dealership, so I get two or three calls a day for the parts department. Most days I'm nice about it, but the particularly obtuse caller gets the Hold treatment, where I pretend to be several people, all of whom put the caller on hold for varying lengths of time. And when I was a nipper, our home phone number was very close to the local time and temp number, so at times we'd report, at the tone, it will be eleventy twelve o'clock, temperature 257 degrees. Beep. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated I don't know what number mine is close to, but I keep getting calls on my cell phone from escort services! Now, if it was close to the number for an escort service, I could understand that ... but who are all these escort services trying to call!? Are they returning messages? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Hmm. I seem to recall *one* phone call you didn't answer but let go straight to voice mail... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated I don't know what number mine is close to, but I keep getting calls on my cell phone from escort services! Now, if it was close to the number for an escort service, I could understand that ... but who are all these escort services trying to call!? Are they returning messages? Not from me. ;-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/8/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Hmm. I seem to recall *one* phone call you didn't answer but let go straight to voice mail... I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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My house number is 1 digit off the local Canadian Tire store. Most calls are for the garage, and want to know if their vehicle is ready. I always say, YES.:-) Dave Quoting Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Digital Image Studio wrote: Oh the Joy. A friend of mine once had a number that was commonly mis-dialled by listeners attempting to dial a local radio stations competition line. For some entertainment he put together a bogus winners message on his answer machine which was quite rude, a lot of people still left their details. The phone here on my desk has a number that is one digit off from that of the local Jeep dealership, so I get two or three calls a day for the parts department. Most days I'm nice about it, but the particularly obtuse caller gets the Hold treatment, where I pretend to be several people, all of whom put the caller on hold for varying lengths of time. And when I was a nipper, our home phone number was very close to the local time and temp number, so at times we'd report, at the tone, it will be eleventy twelve o'clock, temperature 257 degrees. Beep. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Quoting Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 1/8/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Hmm. I seem to recall *one* phone call you didn't answer but let go straight to voice mail... I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) Where who is.:-) Dave -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 1/8/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I go for a drive around town almost everyone I see has a cell phone glued to their ear and are chattering away. My question: Who in hell are all of these people talking to?? Bob Maybe some of the older list members can educate me. What did you all do before mobile phones? If i broke down on the road, i was able to get at the engine compartment and actually see the problem, McIver something enough to get to a garage. How did you manage not being in contact with all and sundry 24/7? I managed quite well. My pay as you go phone is usually off, or forgotten at home, so not much change from the 60's Dave, also sarcastic, sorta.:-) Dave (I'm being sarcastic) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/1/07, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed: About cell phones, the ones that kill me are the ones that walk out of the house, and fire up the cell phone even before they get into their car to leave. Believe me, I would switch it off if I could. I haved to have mine on for work. In fact the reception in our area is shady - I have to have it in the window or it won't work. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 7/1/07, David J Brooks, discombobulated, unleashed: I have to be contactable 24 hours a day as a part of my contract, and so I carry 2 cell phones Cheers, Cotty Then how come Norm got your voice mail:-) Ahar - I have to be contactable 24 hours a day since my contract started (December 4th) ;-P -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/6/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 5, 2007, at 10:50 PM, David Savage wrote: But then you get people who'll break off a face to face conversation, to answer the phone. That really pi55es me off. I won't put up with a salesclerk who does that. I politely tell him/ her to put the caller on hold until we finish. If he/she doesn't do that, I take my business elsewhere. When I worked in retail years ago we were taught that the customer in front of us always had precedence over someone on the phone. Somehow that seems to have gone by the wayside. Me neither. Hubby and I were in a shop last week where we were about to orders shutters and blinds for a whole house (in other words, lots of windows). The salesman broke off to answer a personal call on his mobile. As he carried on chatting, we left, informing him we'd be buying elsewhere. Wendy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cotty wrote: On 7/1/07, Doug Franklin, discombobulated, unleashed: About cell phones, the ones that kill me are the ones that walk out of the house, and fire up the cell phone even before they get into their car to leave. Believe me, I would switch it off if I could. I haved to have mine on for work. In fact the reception in our area is shady - I have to have it in the window or it won't work. Must be those 17th century bldg materials! ;-) keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 8/1/07, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: I answer all the calls I get* and I get at least two canvassing calls a day on average. Malcolm, are you ex-directory? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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oh um a question about that - I dont' use nor do I want to use text messaging - email is tough enough and trying to type on little cell phone buttons let along see the letters on them is maddening - but if someone sends me a text message and I don't ahve text messaging on a cell phone does my cell phone provider clue the text messenger that I don't accept text messgages? ann David Savage wrote: On 1/8/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being able to dash off a quick text message is also rather handy for times when immediate attention is not required. I wish landlines could do that. Telsra (the major phone provider here) offers SMS text messaging on home phones that support the feature. They even have a system that converts the text message into speech. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 8/1/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Hmm. I seem to recall *one* phone call you didn't answer but let go straight to voice mail... Call screening - listen to the voicemail first to see who it was - just because I have to be contactable 24/7 doesn't necessarily mean I'm *available* 24/7 ;-) However, in mitigation, that atrocious misuse of modern technology was in fact before my contract started so there :-P -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 8/1/07, Scott Loveless, discombobulated, unleashed: I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again You ain't seen nothin yet Scotty. Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) Grr. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cotty wrote: On 7/1/07, Paul Stenquist, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm with you there. On my cell phone I answer most calls because the number is not widely distributed. But I always check the ID. If it's suppressed, I don't answer. I never answer my land line. I do check the messages from time to time. You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Unsolicited canvassing calls amount to probably less than half a dozen a year. We get / make many calls to / from friends and relatives. Call me old-fashioned, but chatting using voice is still my preferred method of communication with fellow humans. Cotty, I'm with you there 100%. Living alone, both the land line and cell phone are essential to me. In semi-retirement and free-lancing every call could be a job - easy enough to hang up if it isn't. It is a safety thing for me, as well. And then, I really do love to put the walkaround head set on my land line and be able to visit with friends while I'm sweeping the floor or doing other physical household chores. Only recently, I have ignored the phone when I'm engrossed in a film or tv show - but I listen to the message and pick up if it is more than a just called to chat And if someone is hleping me with something I know little about, hearing them explaint it while I'm doing it is much easier for me than rading it on the screen or having to print it out and then wonder where I put the paper. :) I've made purchase decisions based on what I found out when I called someone while I was in a store. I leave the cell phone on at all times in my home because sometimes the only way I can find it is to call the number from the land line. That usually happens about 4 or 5 times a week if not more. I didn't have one, though, until I had a long distance romance a few years ago - and with that it saved us both tons of money. You can tell I just woke up because I'm blah blah blahing :) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Scott - This year he is going to be there :) we can just go rattle his tent ann Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/8/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Hmm. I seem to recall *one* phone call you didn't answer but let go straight to voice mail... I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Nah Ann, we'll still call him. Norm ann sanfedele wrote: Scott - This year he is going to be there :) we can just go rattle his tent ann Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/8/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Hmm. I seem to recall *one* phone call you didn't answer but let go straight to voice mail... I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cotty wrote: I answer all the calls I get* and I get at least two canvassing calls a day on average. Malcolm, are you ex-directory? Yes. The trouble is so many companies you do deal with sell their telephone lists - no matter what is ticked in boxes on forms to suggest otherwise. Malcolm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 07:11:31PM +1100, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 08/01/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind you, that still doesn't get rid of the biggest source of unwanted calls (especially in the late evening) - our phone number is one simple digit transposition away from the local Blockbuster Video/DVD rental store. Oh the Joy. A friend of mine once had a number that was commonly mis-dialled by listeners attempting to dial a local radio stations competition line. For some entertainment he put together a bogus winners message on his answer machine which was quite rude, a lot of people still left their details. I've been tempted ... The pattern of Blockbuster misdials is quite interesting. A good number of them presumably simply mis-dialed the number; after they get our answering machine once that's it. But a significant number redial the same wrong number immediately after hanging up; my guess is that this is people correctly dialing a mis-remembered number. When they get our answering machine again they check the number (or perhaps simply give up). But there are a few persistent folks who call a third time (and even, occasionally, a fourth). It was sheer dumb luck that we chose the right line for our public number (rather than our unlisted number); I wouldn't want to get the Blockbuster calls on our unlisted number (which we answer). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Those four foot thick stone walls wouldn't have anything to do with that, would they? Cotty wrote: Believe me, I would switch it off if I could. I haved to have mine on for work. In fact the reception in our area is shady - I have to have it in the window or it won't work. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Norm Baugher wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) Scott - This year he is going to be there :) we can just go rattle his tent Nah Ann, we'll still call him. Let's just make sure Dave Brooks camps next to him so he will be sure to be awake *before* the phone rings. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Quoting Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Norm Baugher wrote: ann sanfedele wrote: Scott Loveless wrote: I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) Scott - This year he is going to be there :) we can just go rattle his tent Nah Ann, we'll still call him. Let's just make sure Dave Brooks camps next to him so he will be sure to be awake *before* the phone rings. What just exactly, are you implying.:-) If you want bears to wonder around the camp all night, so be it. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Hey, when I was growing up we did not even use the phone to call our neighbors, it was cheaper to walk down the street. A local phone call cost a dime for 3 minutes, didn't matter if it was your phone or a pay phone. 10 cents please. BTW, that dime would buy a cup of coffee or a bottle of Coke anywhere back then. You could even get a hamburger for a dime, but it was a small hamburger, normal ones were 15 cents. In some ways I have not really adapted to the modern way, I still would rather stop by instead of calling first, especially if I was going to be in the vicinity anyway. -graywolf David Savage wrote: Maybe some of the older list members can educate me. What did you all do before mobile phones? How did you manage not being in contact with all and sundry 24/7? Dave (I'm being sarcastic) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You knew THIS was coming.:-) Quoting graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey, when I was growing up we did not even use the phone to call our neighbors, it was cheaper to walk down the street. Oh, your lucky to have a street.We had to walk to school in the sewer pipes.:-) Dave(with the normal apologizes to MP) -graywolf David Savage wrote: Maybe some of the older list members can educate me. What did you all do before mobile phones? How did you manage not being in contact with all and sundry 24/7? Dave (I'm being sarcastic) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 8/1/07, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed: we can just go rattle his tent LOL ;- -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 8/1/07, Malcolm Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: Yes. The trouble is so many companies you do deal with sell their telephone lists - no matter what is ticked in boxes on forms to suggest otherwise. I'm surprised. We're ex-directory as well, but honestly, nowhere near two a day :-/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 8/1/07, graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: Those four foot thick stone walls wouldn't have anything to do with that, would they? Everything! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
Do nothing. Once your inbox is full, new message senders will receive a message that theirs was unable to be delivered. If you don't have it enabled, they should get the same message. From: ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 04:49:43 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated oh um a question about that - I dont' use nor do I want to use text messaging - email is tough enough and trying to type on little cell phone buttons let along see the letters on them is maddening - but if someone sends me a text message and I don't ahve text messaging on a cell phone does my cell phone provider clue the text messenger that I don't accept text messgages? ann David Savage wrote: On 1/8/07, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being able to dash off a quick text message is also rather handy for times when immediate attention is not required. I wish landlines could do that. Telsra (the major phone provider here) offers SMS text messaging on home phones that support the feature. They even have a system that converts the text message into speech. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Maybe some of the older list members can educate me. What did you all do before mobile phones? Dave (I'm being sarcastic) We had a life. Kenneth Waller (Trying to be equally sarcastic) ;-) - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated On 1/8/07, Bob Shell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I go for a drive around town almost everyone I see has a cell phone glued to their ear and are chattering away. My question: Who in hell are all of these people talking to?? Bob Maybe some of the older list members can educate me. What did you all do before mobile phones? How did you manage not being in contact with all and sundry 24/7? Dave (I'm being sarcastic) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 09/01/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe some of the older list members can educate me. What did you all do before mobile phones? How did you manage not being in contact with all and sundry 24/7? Dave (I'm being sarcastic) We didn't, and it was bliss! -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
When in college, (university to non-Americans), the phone number in a house I rented was commonly misdialed by people trying to contact a local fast food, (fried chicken), place. We got calls all hours of the day and night, much hilarity ensued, (for the chicken place as well when those customers showed up to collect their orders...) Digital Image Studio wrote: On 08/01/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind you, that still doesn't get rid of the biggest source of unwanted calls (especially in the late evening) - our phone number is one simple digit transposition away from the local Blockbuster Video/DVD rental store. Oh the Joy. A friend of mine once had a number that was commonly mis-dialled by listeners attempting to dial a local radio stations competition line. For some entertainment he put together a bogus winners message on his answer machine which was quite rude, a lot of people still left their details. -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 09/01/07, Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And when I was a nipper, our home phone number was very close to the local time and temp number, so at times we'd report, at the tone, it will be eleventy twelve o'clock, temperature 257 degrees. Beep. LOL, must have been a lot of fun as a young'n. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 09/01/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do nothing. Once your inbox is full, new message senders will receive a message that theirs was unable to be delivered. If you don't have it enabled, they should get the same message. The trouble with that scenario is that most handsets start barking at you constantly that the message memory is full, mine is quite persistent. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On 09/01/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm surprised. We're ex-directory as well, but honestly, nowhere near two a day :-/ Quite a few years back my phone company stuffed its records and listed one of my silent numbers, I only worked out what had happened when I found my number using directory services. I had the silent status replaced (of course I had still been paying for the privilege of not having my number listed) but it seems that all the marketing list generators caught the error and I received marketing calls on it for years after. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
There's no way this side of Hell that any of you guys will ever get my phone number... Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/8/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Hmm. I seem to recall *one* phone call you didn't answer but let go straight to voice mail... I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Maybe some of the older list members can educate me. What did you all do before mobile phones? How did you manage not being in contact with all and sundry 24/7? well, for one thing we would get all anxious and tied up in knots when we were late for a date. For another, we would stand around feeling all lonely and stood up and thinking 'where the feck is she' when she was late for a date. And finally we would have lousy dates because we spent all our time moaning or apologising about the lateness and having missed the trailers. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I hate to tell you Doug... Doug Franklin wrote: Digital Image Studio wrote: On 08/01/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: phone number is one simple digit transposition away from the local Blockbuster Video/DVD rental store. mis-dialled by listeners attempting to dial a local radio stations competition line. I don't know what number mine is close to, but I keep getting calls on my cell phone from escort services! Now, if it was close to the number for an escort service, I could understand that ... but who are all these escort services trying to call!? -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Doug Brewer wrote: And when I was a nipper, our home phone number was very close to the local time and temp number, so at times we'd report, at the tone, it will be eleventy twelve o'clock, temperature 257 degrees. Beep. Not nearly radical enough. How about: At the tone, the time will be... Oh my god! They're coming to get me! No! No! Agh! Beep -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The pattern of Blockbuster misdials is quite interesting. A good number of them presumably simply mis-dialed the number; after they get our answering machine once that's it. But a significant number redial the same wrong number immediately after hanging up; my guess is that this is people correctly dialing a mis-remembered number. When they get our answering machine again they check the number (or perhaps simply give up). But there are a few persistent folks who call a third time (and even, occasionally, a fourth). A few years ago for about 6 months I had a message on my answering machine every Friday from some computer operators asking someone to switch their modem on because they couldn't connect, and to call back when ready. They never left a number to call back on (this was before 1471). I never understood why it took them so long to stop calling, or to sort out why it was that the other people never had their modem on, and never called back. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Mine was a department store years ago, people miss dialed to the office I worked in. Can you imagine what 5 guys in their early 20's did with those people. One moment I'll transfer you, please hold., Finance department, your credit limit is now $100,000. etc. etc. Norm P. J. Alling wrote: When in college, (university to non-Americans), the phone number in a house I rented was commonly misdialed by people trying to contact a local fast food, (fried chicken), place. We got calls all hours of the day and night, much hilarity ensued, (for the chicken place as well when those customers showed up to collect their orders...) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
On 1/08/07 4:19 PM, Bob W, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: moaning or apologising This is not to pick out Bob :-). I am increasing seeing certain words spelt in a different way than (I thought) I learned in school, and was thinking about asking somebody about it. Suddenly, I thought why don't I ask here, the best source of OT info :-). Apologize Sympathize Realize Recognize And so on, while people use Apologise Sympathise Realise Recognise Which way of spelling is correct? I suppose both, but one in U.S. English and the other in U.K English etc? Thanks for your help, Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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bob W wrote: A few years ago for about 6 months I had a message on my answering machine every Friday from some computer operators asking someone to switch their modem on because they couldn't connect, and to call back when ready. They never left a number to call back on (this was before 1471). I didn't know they had telephones back then, much less answering machines. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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bob W wrote: A few years ago for about 6 months I had a message on my answering machine every Friday from some computer operators asking someone to switch their modem on because they couldn't connect, and to call back when ready. They never left a number to call back on (this was before 1471). I didn't know they had telephones back then, much less answering machines. Maybe that was the problem. They had a modem but no phone. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
On 1/8/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/08/07 4:19 PM, Bob W, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: moaning or apologising This is not to pick out Bob :-). I am increasing seeing certain words spelt in a different way than (I thought) I learned in school, and was thinking about asking somebody about it. Suddenly, I thought why don't I ask here, the best source of OT info :-). Apologize Sympathize Realize Recognize And so on, while people use Apologise Sympathise Realise Recognise Which way of spelling is correct? I suppose both, but one in U.S. English and the other in U.K English etc? Apologize, etc., is the U.S. spelling. Apologise, etc., is an incorrect spelling used by the rest of the English speaking world. HTH. ;-) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
K.Takeshita wrote: On 1/08/07 4:19 PM, Bob W, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: moaning or apologising This is not to pick out Bob :-). I am increasing seeing certain words spelt in a different way than (I thought) I learned in school, and was thinking about asking somebody about it. Suddenly, I thought why don't I ask here, the best source of OT info :-). Apologize Sympathize Realize Recognize And so on, while people use Apologise Sympathise Realise Recognise Which way of spelling is correct? I suppose both, but one in U.S. English and the other in U.K English etc? Thanks for your help, Ken The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
On 1/08/07 4:56 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). Thanks Adam. One more person to confirm this? I learned English in Japan, where they taught U.K. English in school at least in my days (now they are probably teaching American English but I am not sure). So, when I came to Canada, I felt comfortable because of English spelling and metric system etc. But I always remembered Z instead of S in those particular spellings. Moreover, I think I started recognizing (recognising :-) this S spelling rather recently. But if S is correct, then I have to mind to switch to S. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
On 1/08/07 5:01 PM, Scott Loveless, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apologize, etc., is the U.S. spelling. Apologise, etc., is an incorrect spelling used by the rest of the English speaking world. HTH. ;-) Thanks, Scott and Bob. Now I've got it. Perhaps I will use these spellings case by case. I feel strange, using S spelling but will gradually shift to world standard :-). I love this list! Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
The conquest of Canada slowly proceeds. Adam Maas wrote: K.Takeshita wrote: On 1/08/07 4:19 PM, Bob W, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: moaning or apologising This is not to pick out Bob :-). I am increasing seeing certain words spelt in a different way than (I thought) I learned in school, and was thinking about asking somebody about it. Suddenly, I thought why don't I ask here, the best source of OT info :-). Apologize Sympathize Realize Recognize And so on, while people use Apologise Sympathise Realise Recognise Which way of spelling is correct? I suppose both, but one in U.S. English and the other in U.K English etc? Thanks for your help, Ken The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). -Adam -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
On 8/1/07, K.Takeshita, discombobulated, unleashed: Apologize Sympathize Realize Recognize And so on, while people use Apologise Sympathise Realise Recognise If it has a 'Z' in it, it was written by someone who likely paints a flag on their fence :-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:48 PM, David J Brooks wrote: Quoting graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hey, when I was growing up we did not even use the phone to call our neighbors, it was cheaper to walk down the street. Oh, your lucky to have a street.We had to walk to school in the sewer pipes.:-) You were lucky to have sewer pipes. We had to crawl on all fours to get to the school grotto way in the back of the Big Cave, and with only a bundle of burning grass to see by. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
On 1/08/07 5:44 PM, Cotty, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If it has a 'Z' in it, it was written by someone who likely paints a flag on their fence :-) LOL :-)) Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
Adam Maas wrote: [...] The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). -Adam Oh? [C]orrect English, you say? H. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
Your asking ME. You must not read my posts Ken. LOL Dave Quoting K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 1/08/07 4:19 PM, Bob W, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: moaning or apologising This is not to pick out Bob :-). I am increasing seeing certain words spelt in a different way than (I thought) I learned in school, and was thinking about asking somebody about it. Suddenly, I thought why don't I ask here, the best source of OT info :-). Apologize Sympathize Realize Recognize And so on, while people use Apologise Sympathise Realise Recognise Which way of spelling is correct? I suppose both, but one in U.S. English and the other in U.K English etc? Thanks for your help, Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
We don't need Hell. We got Norm.:-) Dave Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There's no way this side of Hell that any of you guys will ever get my phone number... Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/8/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Hmm. I seem to recall *one* phone call you didn't answer but let go straight to voice mail... I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net Equine Photography in York Region -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
keith_w wrote: Adam Maas wrote: [...] The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). -Adam Oh? [C]orrect English, you say? H. keith whaley Yes, as defined by the OED, not by Websters. Correct Canadian usage is UK English, not American usage. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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K.Takeshita wrote: But if S is correct, then I have to mind to switch to S. Both are correct, though the folks that use the other way are likely to look at you funny if you spell it one way. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
On Mon, 8 Jan 2007, Adam Maas wrote: The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). Not sure what correct means in this case. I am lead to believe that the American spelling is closer to the original spelling of the words. Never confirmed that; maybe I should. Kostas (maybe I will, next time I visit the PDML :-)) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/08/07 6:21 PM, Doug Franklin, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But if S is correct, then I have to mind to switch to S. Both are correct, though the folks that use the other way are likely to look at you funny if you spell it one way. Actually, this was what concerned me. I have no problem with U.K. English used here in Canada as that's what I learned in school (colour and centre etc, you know) but for some reason, I was always using Z spelling for those words even though I was generally aware that Z is usually used in U.S. English. That was making me wondering how come I was always using Z. When I saw S spelling, I did find it was funny and did not quite feel right. This is actually only area where my distinction between U.K and U.S. English was fuzzy. I certainly wish to use correct spelling but this is probably not a matter of correctness per se. So, until I feel comfortable, I intend to continue my usual practice. But thank you for your help, everybody. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
K.Takeshita wrote: I certainly wish to use correct spelling but this is probably not a matter of correctness per se. On the Internet, there's not any correct spelling for stuff like s vs z, -or vs -our, etc. :-) Pretty true, though, in an international venue like this. Use whatever you're comfortable with, the other side will figure it out. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
Adam Maas wrote: keith_w wrote: Adam Maas wrote: [...] The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). -Adam Oh? [C]orrect English, you say? H. keith whaley Yes, as defined by the OED, not by Websters. Correct Canadian usage is UK English, not American usage. -Adam Fair enough. Now you've defined what you choose to call correct English. Thank you. On the other hand, you say, Correct Canadian usage is UK English... Do you know who made that so? Was that by choice? Or by edict? Or by tradition? Just curious. The stuff we Americans were speaking and writing when the country was first formed was just this side of decipherable, let alone capable of being identified as deriving from any particular countries way of speaking! Thanks have sure changed over the last 400 years, haven't they? Best regards, keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 17:06:02 -0500 K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/08/07 4:56 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). Thanks Adam. One more person to confirm this? as somebody who learnt his english in india (where we more or less follow UK english) we always (or mostly) use 's': realise, apologise etc... like adam said, 'z' is the american usage... regards, subash -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
Some time ago, (late 1800's?) there was a spelling reform movement in the U.K. Strangely, they got rid of the z's, but kept the ou's (as in colour, honour, ...). In the U.S. such reforms never have a chance because nobody knows how to spell in the first place. Stan On Jan 8, 2007, at 4:06 PM, K.Takeshita wrote: On 1/08/07 4:56 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). Thanks Adam. One more person to confirm this? I learned English in Japan, where they taught U.K. English in school at least in my days (now they are probably teaching American English but I am not sure). So, when I came to Canada, I felt comfortable because of English spelling and metric system etc. But I always remembered Z instead of S in those particular spellings. Moreover, I think I started recognizing (recognising :-) this S spelling rather recently. But if S is correct, then I have to mind to switch to S. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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But we don't have to waste cell phone minutes - we can jsut YELL ann Norm Baugher wrote: Nah Ann, we'll still call him. Norm ann sanfedele wrote: Scott - This year he is going to be there :) we can just go rattle his tent ann Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/8/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Hmm. I seem to recall *one* phone call you didn't answer but let go straight to voice mail... I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I've never gotten that message... you see, I always answer the phone -as long as I hear it ring. ann Digital Image Studio wrote: On 09/01/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do nothing. Once your inbox is full, new message senders will receive a message that theirs was unable to be delivered. If you don't have it enabled, they should get the same message. The trouble with that scenario is that most handsets start barking at you constantly that the message memory is full, mine is quite persistent. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
The z is USA , the s is used by the Brits ann (the Scrabble player, remember? ) K.Takeshita wrote: On 1/08/07 4:19 PM, Bob W, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: moaning or apologising This is not to pick out Bob :-). I am increasing seeing certain words spelt in a different way than (I thought) I learned in school, and was thinking about asking somebody about it. Suddenly, I thought why don't I ask here, the best source of OT info :-). Apologize Sympathize Realize Recognize And so on, while people use Apologise Sympathise Realise Recognise Which way of spelling is correct? I suppose both, but one in U.S. English and the other in U.K English etc? Thanks for your help, Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated
too late :) ann P. J. Alling wrote: There's no way this side of Hell that any of you guys will ever get my phone number... Scott Loveless wrote: On 1/8/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cotty wrote: You guys are all nuts. I answer any phone call I get, mobile or landline. Hmm. I seem to recall *one* phone call you didn't answer but let go straight to voice mail... I say that this year, about an hour after he goes to bed, we call him again. And again. And again Better yet, lets call his wife and ask where he is. ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
On 1/08/07 10:30 PM, ann sanfedele, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The z is USA , the s is used by the Brits ann (the Scrabble player, remember? ) Must be right! Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT Question (was Re: OT Is returning a phone message really that complicated)
Hey! We invented the dictionary. That insured that we had a standardized way to misspell the words. Stan Halpin wrote: Some time ago, (late 1800's?) there was a spelling reform movement in the U.K. Strangely, they got rid of the z's, but kept the ou's (as in colour, honour, ...). In the U.S. such reforms never have a chance because nobody knows how to spell in the first place. Stan On Jan 8, 2007, at 4:06 PM, K.Takeshita wrote: On 1/08/07 4:56 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The s is correct, z is american usage (Sadly common in Canada as the schools teach correct english less and less). Thanks Adam. One more person to confirm this? I learned English in Japan, where they taught U.K. English in school at least in my days (now they are probably teaching American English but I am not sure). So, when I came to Canada, I felt comfortable because of English spelling and metric system etc. But I always remembered Z instead of S in those particular spellings. Moreover, I think I started recognizing (recognising :-) this S spelling rather recently. But if S is correct, then I have to mind to switch to S. Ken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
