Re: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
If both flashlights are controlled by the camera's TTL, I assume there's no correction to be done? The camera will shut off the flash(es) as soon as it thinks there's enough light, be it a dozen flashlights firing... On the other hand, if you would have e.g. one flashlight on TTL-mode and another flashlight on auto-mode, you'll end up with half a stop overexposure (assuming both flashes have equal strength). In the margin of this discussion, I wonder if it's a common practise to set the camera to 1/2 (or even 1/4) exposure compensation when using TTL-flash. My reasoning is: the flash will illuminate the subject much more than the background, which typically remains quite dark. This is something the (TTL-)meter should be adjusted for, otherwise it will 'try' to illuminate the background as well, thus most probably burning the subject badly. This is of course more valid for direct flashlight than for bounce flash... Groeten, Vic Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Rick And with that setup did you just let both Flash at TTL setting and no further corrections for indoor shots? Frankly I haver never used the build in flash on the SFXn alone or in combination so far, would be interesting. I guess there has to be a minimal distance of about 1.5 meters to get good results and to not overexpose faces? greetings Markus -Original Message- From: Rick Womer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:02 PM To: Pentax List Subject: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D I took my ist D along to a gathering of my extended family Saturday. I was able to get some okay pix using my old TTL Sunpak flash, but... I =REALLY= miss having the flash shoe over the grip, as it is on the Z-series cameras, instead of over the prism. My favorite way of shooting indoors with the (P)Z-1p is to bounce the external flash off the ceiling, and use the internal flash for direct lighting. Can't do that no more. I plan to buy a Sigma DG-something Super, but even then I'll have two things to hold instead of one to get the same lighting, unless I start using a flash bracket again (yuck!). One more thing I miss: the infrared focus beam. (piss, moan...) Rick http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
For wedding work, the general technique is called dragging the shutter - basically you try to let there be as much ambient light as possible to reduce the dark backgrounds. So shooting at around 400 ISO and then shooting at about 1/15-1/60 at around f/5.6 with TTL flash gives a much more natural look. Here's an example shot in a fairly dim indoor venue: http://www.daytonphoto.com/Galleries/Wagner/wagner_0173.htm -- Bruce Tuesday, April 11, 2006, 2:15:17 PM, you wrote: snip VM In the margin of this discussion, I wonder if it's a common practise to VM set the camera to 1/2 (or even 1/4) exposure compensation when using VM TTL-flash. My reasoning is: the flash will illuminate the subject much VM more than the background, which typically remains quite dark. This is VM something the (TTL-)meter should be adjusted for, otherwise it will VM 'try' to illuminate the background as well, thus most probably burning VM the subject badly. This is of course more valid for direct flashlight VM than for bounce flash... VM Groeten, VM Vic VM Markus Maurer wrote: Hi Rick And with that setup did you just let both Flash at TTL setting and no further corrections for indoor shots? Frankly I haver never used the build in flash on the SFXn alone or in combination so far, would be interesting. I guess there has to be a minimal distance of about 1.5 meters to get good results and to not overexpose faces? greetings Markus -Original Message- From: Rick Womer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:02 PM To: Pentax List Subject: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D I took my ist D along to a gathering of my extended family Saturday. I was able to get some okay pix using my old TTL Sunpak flash, but... I =REALLY= miss having the flash shoe over the grip, as it is on the Z-series cameras, instead of over the prism. My favorite way of shooting indoors with the (P)Z-1p is to bounce the external flash off the ceiling, and use the internal flash for direct lighting. Can't do that no more. I plan to buy a Sigma DG-something Super, but even then I'll have two things to hold instead of one to get the same lighting, unless I start using a flash bracket again (yuck!). One more thing I miss: the infrared focus beam. (piss, moan...) Rick http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
I see no reason why not. Long time ago (my MX days) I simply used two flahses for this. Today I sometime use a Metz hammer head flash with two tubes. Or I can use a flash that splits the beam in two. An Osram Flash (splits the light) or a Braun Vario Zoom 370, which has a mirror-like refector screen, that can split the beam in two. This method gives very nice lighting indoors. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rick Womer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:02 Til: Pentax List Emne: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D I took my ist D along to a gathering of my extended family Saturday. I was able to get some okay pix using my old TTL Sunpak flash, but... I =REALLY= miss having the flash shoe over the grip, as it is on the Z-series cameras, instead of over the prism. My favorite way of shooting indoors with the (P)Z-1p is to bounce the external flash off the ceiling, and use the internal flash for direct lighting. Can't do that no more. I plan to buy a Sigma DG-something Super, but even then I'll have two things to hold instead of one to get the same lighting, unless I start using a flash bracket again (yuck!). One more thing I miss: the infrared focus beam. (piss, moan...) Rick http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/302 - Release Date: 04/05/2006
RE: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
A Lumiquest 80-20 bouncer http://www.lumiquest.com/lq872.htm will give a similar effect from one flash, I presume. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 5. april 2006 23:09 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D I see no reason why not. Long time ago (my MX days) I simply used two flahses for this. Today I sometime use a Metz hammer head flash with two tubes. Or I can use a flash that splits the beam in two. An Osram Flash (splits the light) or a Braun Vario Zoom 370, which has a mirror-like refector screen, that can split the beam in two. This method gives very nice lighting indoors. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rick Womer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:02 Til: Pentax List Emne: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D I took my ist D along to a gathering of my extended family Saturday. I was able to get some okay pix using my old TTL Sunpak flash, but... I =REALLY= miss having the flash shoe over the grip, as it is on the Z-series cameras, instead of over the prism. My favorite way of shooting indoors with the (P)Z-1p is to bounce the external flash off the ceiling, and use the internal flash for direct lighting. Can't do that no more. I plan to buy a Sigma DG-something Super, but even then I'll have two things to hold instead of one to get the same lighting, unless I start using a flash bracket again (yuck!). One more thing I miss: the infrared focus beam. (piss, moan...) Rick http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/302 - Release Date: 04/05/2006
RE: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
I've got a couple of Lumiquest bouncers. I find that they make the whole rig rather large and awkward, though. Rick --- Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Lumiquest 80-20 bouncer http://www.lumiquest.com/lq872.htm will give a similar effect from one flash, I presume. Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: Jens Bladt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 5. april 2006 23:09 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: RE: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D I see no reason why not. Long time ago (my MX days) I simply used two flahses for this. Today I sometime use a Metz hammer head flash with two tubes. Or I can use a flash that splits the beam in two. An Osram Flash (splits the light) or a Braun Vario Zoom 370, which has a mirror-like refector screen, that can split the beam in two. This method gives very nice lighting indoors. Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Rick Womer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 3. april 2006 15:02 Til: Pentax List Emne: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D I took my ist D along to a gathering of my extended family Saturday. I was able to get some okay pix using my old TTL Sunpak flash, but... I =REALLY= miss having the flash shoe over the grip, as it is on the Z-series cameras, instead of over the prism. My favorite way of shooting indoors with the (P)Z-1p is to bounce the external flash off the ceiling, and use the internal flash for direct lighting. Can't do that no more. I plan to buy a Sigma DG-something Super, but even then I'll have two things to hold instead of one to get the same lighting, unless I start using a flash bracket again (yuck!). One more thing I miss: the infrared focus beam. (piss, moan...) Rick http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 03/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/302 - Release Date: 04/05/2006 http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:01:32 +0200, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took my ist D along to a gathering of my extended family Saturday. I was able to get some okay pix using my old TTL Sunpak flash, but... I =REALLY= miss having the flash shoe over the grip, as it is on the Z-series cameras, instead of over the prism. My favorite way of shooting indoors with the (P)Z-1p is to bounce the external flash off the ceiling, and use the internal flash for direct lighting. Can't do that no more. I plan to buy a Sigma DG-something Super, but even then I'll have two things to hold instead of one to get the same lighting, unless I start using a flash bracket again (yuck!). Hi Rick, Bojidar Dimitrov states it in a rather roundabout way, but I think hot shoe adapter Fg will allow popping up the internal flash of MZ-, and probably *ist- bodies. See: http://bdimitrov.de/kmp/flashes/index.html Or you could get a flash with two reflectors. I bough a Metz 40 MZ-3 second hand a while ago, and it performs brilliantly. One more thing I miss: the infrared focus beam. Will the *ist-D trigger the infrared beam from an external flash? (piss, moan...) :o) -- Regards, Lucas
Re: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
Lucas Rijnders wrote on 03.04.06 15:44: Will the *ist-D trigger the infrared beam from an external flash? As long as it is connected with suitable cable, yes. -- Balance is the ultimate good... Best Regards Sylwek
RE: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
Hi Rick And with that setup did you just let both Flash at TTL setting and no further corrections for indoor shots? Frankly I haver never used the build in flash on the SFXn alone or in combination so far, would be interesting. I guess there has to be a minimal distance of about 1.5 meters to get good results and to not overexpose faces? greetings Markus -Original Message- From: Rick Womer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:02 PM To: Pentax List Subject: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D I took my ist D along to a gathering of my extended family Saturday. I was able to get some okay pix using my old TTL Sunpak flash, but... I =REALLY= miss having the flash shoe over the grip, as it is on the Z-series cameras, instead of over the prism. My favorite way of shooting indoors with the (P)Z-1p is to bounce the external flash off the ceiling, and use the internal flash for direct lighting. Can't do that no more. I plan to buy a Sigma DG-something Super, but even then I'll have two things to hold instead of one to get the same lighting, unless I start using a flash bracket again (yuck!). One more thing I miss: the infrared focus beam. (piss, moan...) Rick http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
That's right. Works brilliantly on the PZ-1p; don't know about the SFXn. Nice even lighting, no shadows, and much more natural-looking than bounce flash alone, IMHO. Examples here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=528842 Rick --- Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick And with that setup did you just let both Flash at TTL setting and no further corrections for indoor shots? Frankly I haver never used the build in flash on the SFXn alone or in combination so far, would be interesting. I guess there has to be a minimal distance of about 1.5 meters to get good results and to not overexpose faces? greetings Markus -Original Message- From: Rick Womer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 3:02 PM To: Pentax List Subject: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D I took my ist D along to a gathering of my extended family Saturday. I was able to get some okay pix using my old TTL Sunpak flash, but... I =REALLY= miss having the flash shoe over the grip, as it is on the Z-series cameras, instead of over the prism. My favorite way of shooting indoors with the (P)Z-1p is to bounce the external flash off the ceiling, and use the internal flash for direct lighting. Can't do that no more. I plan to buy a Sigma DG-something Super, but even then I'll have two things to hold instead of one to get the same lighting, unless I start using a flash bracket again (yuck!). One more thing I miss: the infrared focus beam. (piss, moan...) Rick http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
Lucas, Thanks, but I don't think so. The adapter Fg has a 5p socket on top rather than a flash shoe. Rick --- Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, Bojidar Dimitrov states it in a rather roundabout way, but I think hot shoe adapter Fg will allow popping up the internal flash of MZ-, and probably *ist- bodies. See: http://bdimitrov.de/kmp/flashes/index.html Or you could get a flash with two reflectors. I bough a Metz 40 MZ-3 second hand a while ago, and it performs brilliantly. One more thing I miss: the infrared focus beam. Will the *ist-D trigger the infrared beam from an external flash? (piss, moan...) :o) -- Regards, Lucas http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:19:08 +0200, Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucas, Thanks, but I don't think so. The adapter Fg has a 5p socket on top rather than a flash shoe. Rick, You're right. I thought Fg was an evolution of F, but it obviously isn't. -- Sorry, Lucas --- Lucas Rijnders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, Bojidar Dimitrov states it in a rather roundabout way, but I think hot shoe adapter Fg will allow popping up the internal flash of MZ-, and probably *ist- bodies. See: http://bdimitrov.de/kmp/flashes/index.html Or you could get a flash with two reflectors. I bough a Metz 40 MZ-3 second hand a while ago, and it performs brilliantly. One more thing I miss: the infrared focus beam. Will the *ist-D trigger the infrared beam from an external flash? (piss, moan...) :o)
RE: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
Does that method use the flash's contrast control mode? Joe That's right. Works brilliantly on the PZ-1p; don't know about the SFXn. Nice even lighting, no shadows, and much more natural-looking than bounce flash alone, IMHO. Examples here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=528842 Rick --- Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick And with that setup did you just let both Flash at TTL setting and no further corrections for indoor shots? Frankly I haver never used the build in flash on the SFXn alone or in combination so far, would be interesting. I guess there has to be a minimal distance of about 1.5 meters to get good results and to not overexpose faces? greetings Markus
RE: Z-series feature I miss on the ist D
Yes, but it's the camera's contrast control mode. --- Joe Wilensky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does that method use the flash's contrast control mode? Joe That's right. Works brilliantly on the PZ-1p; don't know about the SFXn. Nice even lighting, no shadows, and much more natural-looking than bounce flash alone, IMHO. Examples here: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=528842 Rick --- Markus Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick And with that setup did you just let both Flash at TTL setting and no further corrections for indoor shots? Frankly I haver never used the build in flash on the SFXn alone or in combination so far, would be interesting. I guess there has to be a minimal distance of about 1.5 meters to get good results and to not overexpose faces? greetings Markus http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
