Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless
On 09/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With my Boxster, most functional options were stand alone. I think that comes with the volume/cost/exclusivity of the vehicle, that said my vehicle in the UK is available for order with any practical combination of options whereas in Oz it's prescribed, that I guess is a cost/volume issue for the importers. You didn't cut the Boxer dash to bits to fit a GPS unit by chance? ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 09:21:27 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:42AM +1100, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 09/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess a lot has to do with what you do with your car. My 31 year old son is looking for a new vehicle is having a hard time considering any without Blue tooth technology due to the convenience it offers, tho I'm not sure he's willing to pay extra for it. I read somewhere that this technology can add up to $1,000 USD to the cost to the customer. That's what I just love about car manufacturers, $10 worth of tech to the manufacturer is $1k to the client. Case in point; the integrated nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier than most $500 stand alone units. :-( And probably doesn't work as well, either. I can't use my (Bluetooth) Treo 700w with my (Bluetooth) BMW Z4, even though the BMW supposedly offers full integration - sound through the car audio speakers, and a microphone on the steering column. That's because the car wants to know the contents of the phone book (so it can identify an incoming call on the in-car display, etc.). But it expects phone numbers to consist of just the digits 0-9. Unfortunately the Treo is a Windows Mobile 5 device, and uses Outlook Mobile as the contact manager. This displays phone numbers formatted for human eyes complete with parentheses and hyphens. This upsets the car, and so it drops the Bluetooth connection :-( This is getting dangerously close to DSLR/aperture simulator territory.. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 10:50:25 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless Case in point; the integrated nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier than most $500 stand alone units. :-( Then I have to ask why did you purchase it? Of the many new cars I've purchased, I've always ordered had made exactly what I wanted. When I was shopping for my Titan, I discovered that in the USA, you get to order every additional item that you want over and above the stock vehicle. Customer thought: Hey, I don't have to pay for things I don't want! Salesperson thought: Oh boy, am I going to sock it to you for everything extra you order. In Canada, I had the choice of three option packages, none of which was quite right. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 11:21:30 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless On 09/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was shopping for my Titan, I discovered that in the USA, you get to order every additional item that you want over and above the stock vehicle. In Canada, I had the choice of three option packages, none of which was quite right. The same here, options are linked to engine capacity, the higher the engine capacity the greater the range of options, it's a PITA. In there infinite wisdom the idiots who put together the Oz packages for my vehicle excluded the CD stacker cable in the vehicle with the smallest engine which means that I can have a cable put in for a thousand bucks or so (and no, third party install is not a viable option in this vehicle) or alternately not be able to play audio CDs whilst using my nav. Also the nav unit is CD only and does not read mp3 files however it does have a wide screen display (but you need a third party buggery box to access and enable the AV in). Priceless. It's even more of a hoot if you need something very simple doing, like adding a towbar. My Mondeo: £140, done at my house in two hours, all inclusive. My friends Espace, with CAN wiring: You need to give us a month's notice for wiring additions, Sir. The specialist will be here on x. That's the only date available for the rest of this year. It will take us most of the day. That will be £600, plus the cost of the towbar. Sir. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The Prius with the JBL stereo option (included in the 2006 models starting with option package #3, I think; I have option package #6) has the hands-free option built in. It connected with the Treo 650 instantly. The in-car address book, speed dial and voice phone control is managed manually, independent of the phone. A bit of work to set up, but it allows me to put the 10-15 numbers I want to have access to quickly into the car explicitly and nothing else. If I need to call a number not in the system, I activate it on the Treo directly and it automatically connects with the hands-free system for the rest of the usage. The only two package options on the Prius above #6 were first the navigation system and then the leather seats. I decided to save the money ... GPS would be nice but I'm not willing to part with $1500 for it: it's not that important to me. A hand-held would be more useful, when I need one. Godfrey I can't use my (Bluetooth) Treo 700w with my (Bluetooth) BMW Z4, even though the BMW supposedly offers full integration - sound through the car audio speakers, and a microphone on the steering column. That's because the car wants to know the contents of the phone book (so it can identify an incoming call on the in-car display, etc.). But it expects phone numbers to consist of just the digits 0-9. Unfortunately the Treo is a Windows Mobile 5 device, and uses Outlook Mobile as the contact manager. This displays phone numbers formatted for human eyes complete with parentheses and hyphens. This upsets the car, and so it drops the Bluetooth connection :-( -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The in-car address book, speed dial and voice phone control is managed manually, independent of the phone. A bit of work to set up, but it allows me to put the 10-15 numbers I want to have access to quickly into the car explicitly and nothing else. If I need to call a number not in the system, I activate it on the Treo directly and it automatically connects with the hands-free system for the rest of the usage. When I'm in my car and need to send a message, I pull over, build a fire and send smoke signals... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/8/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Waller I discovered that in the USA, you get to order every additional item that you want over and above the stock vehicle. I don't know about other vehicles but with Ford, most options are combined in various packages,with a few being stand alone options. It helps in design, supply on the assembly line with complexity With my Boxster, most functional options were stand alone. That is most definitely the case with Ford these days. In 2000 we purchased a Mazda (Ford) Protege. Christie insisted on anti-lock brakes and side curtain air bags. Apparently, these safety features don't work properly without a sun roof, bigger engine, larger wheels and an upgraded stereo. Oh, well. Ordering cars with specific options instead of packages used to be common. With today's promotions (special financing, rebates, etc.), there is always a disclaimer. Must take delivery from dealer stock or some such. When we lived in Heidelberg during the mid-80s my Dad ordered an 85 Ford LTD from the States. He specified exactly what he wanted on the car. Six months later, in 86, we received a car that wasn't quite what he ordered. (Mom wanted to buy a Volvo locally, but Dad wouldn't have any of that.) Two weeks later, doing about 60mph on the Autobahn (because the POS wouldn't go much faster than that) the crankshaft came apart. It sat at a local Ford dealer for about two months while they waited on a replacement engine. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com Shoot more film! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jan 9, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The in-car address book, speed dial and voice phone control is managed manually, independent of the phone. A bit of work to set up, but it allows me to put the 10-15 numbers I want to have access to quickly into the car explicitly and nothing else. If I need to call a number not in the system, I activate it on the Treo directly and it automatically connects with the hands-free system for the rest of the usage. When I'm in my car and need to send a message, I pull over, build a fire and send smoke signals... LOL ... Text messages are not part of the Prius' hands free system. :-) However, there are packages for the Treo that allow voice control that allow you to automate sending text messages if you really really must. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Yeah - I can remember when ordering a heater in your car was an option...presumably if you lived in the southern states you saved a little money if it wasn't included in the car. -P Scott Loveless wrote: Ordering cars with specific options instead of packages used to be common. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/9/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: The in-car address book, speed dial and voice phone control is managed manually, independent of the phone. A bit of work to set up, but it allows me to put the 10-15 numbers I want to have access to quickly into the car explicitly and nothing else. If I need to call a number not in the system, I activate it on the Treo directly and it automatically connects with the hands-free system for the rest of the usage. When I'm in my car and need to send a message, I pull over, build a fire and send smoke signals... You shouldn't have been so tight and sprung for the smoke signal option. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul Sorenson wrote: Yeah - I can remember when ordering a heater in your car was an option... I had a 1965 Mustang (289 4bbl) which had optional seat belts and side mirror. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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David Savage wrote: You shouldn't have been so tight and sprung for the smoke signal option. Dave I had a 1971 Ford Torino with the smoke signal option. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You didn't cut the Boxer dash to bits to fit a GPS unit by chance? ;-) Hell no, real men don't need no stinkin directions ! ;-) Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless On 09/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With my Boxster, most functional options were stand alone. I think that comes with the volume/cost/exclusivity of the vehicle, that said my vehicle in the UK is available for order with any practical combination of options whereas in Oz it's prescribed, that I guess is a cost/volume issue for the importers. You didn't cut the Boxer dash to bits to fit a GPS unit by chance? ;-) -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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This is getting dangerously close to DSLR/aperture simulator territory.. With at least on major difference. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/01/08 Mon PM 09:21:27 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:42AM +1100, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 09/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess a lot has to do with what you do with your car. My 31 year old son is looking for a new vehicle is having a hard time considering any without Blue tooth technology due to the convenience it offers, tho I'm not sure he's willing to pay extra for it. I read somewhere that this technology can add up to $1,000 USD to the cost to the customer. That's what I just love about car manufacturers, $10 worth of tech to the manufacturer is $1k to the client. Case in point; the integrated nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier than most $500 stand alone units. :-( And probably doesn't work as well, either. I can't use my (Bluetooth) Treo 700w with my (Bluetooth) BMW Z4, even though the BMW supposedly offers full integration - sound through the car audio speakers, and a microphone on the steering column. That's because the car wants to know the contents of the phone book (so it can identify an incoming call on the in-car display, etc.). But it expects phone numbers to consist of just the digits 0-9. Unfortunately the Treo is a Windows Mobile 5 device, and uses Outlook Mobile as the contact manager. This displays phone numbers formatted for human eyes complete with parentheses and hyphens. This upsets the car, and so it drops the Bluetooth connection :-( This is getting dangerously close to DSLR/aperture simulator territory.. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The '71 Torino was a design classic. It looked like a tuna sucking wind. Paul -- Original message -- From: Doug Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] David Savage wrote: You shouldn't have been so tight and sprung for the smoke signal option. Dave I had a 1971 Ford Torino with the smoke signal option. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless The '71 Torino was a design classic. It looked like a tuna sucking wind. Ran like one too. HAR!!! William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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LOL Hopefully it will remain so Shel [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller This is getting dangerously close to DSLR/aperture simulator territory.. With at least on major difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Doug Brewer wrote: David Savage wrote: You shouldn't have been so tight and sprung for the smoke signal option. I had a 1971 Ford Torino with the smoke signal option. Wasn't that a Pinto? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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No, Pinto's were available with the barbecue option. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug Brewer wrote: David Savage wrote: You shouldn't have been so tight and sprung for the smoke signal option. I had a 1971 Ford Torino with the smoke signal option. Wasn't that a Pinto? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul, I think you are full of beans on this one. On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Pinto's were available with the barbecue option. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug Brewer wrote: David Savage wrote: You shouldn't have been so tight and sprung for the smoke signal option. I had a 1971 Ford Torino with the smoke signal option. Wasn't that a Pinto? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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That would add to the effect wouldn't it... Perry Pellechia wrote: Paul, I think you are full of beans on this one. On 1/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Pinto's were available with the barbecue option. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug Brewer wrote: David Savage wrote: You shouldn't have been so tight and sprung for the smoke signal option. I had a 1971 Ford Torino with the smoke signal option. Wasn't that a Pinto? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 9/1/07, Perry Pellechia, discombobulated, unleashed: Paul, I think you are full of beans on this one. Come on now, don't pan the guy. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/9/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/1/07, Perry Pellechia, discombobulated, unleashed: Paul, I think you are full of beans on this one. Come on now, don't pan the guy. -- Hey if he can't stand the heat -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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John, My wife has an Accura variant of that big bluetooth headset... Regards, Bob S. On 1/8/07, John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just Japanese vehicles ... One of my friends calls my BMW Z4 the largest Bluetooth hands-free headset he's seen for a long time On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 08:43:45PM -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote: Its Ford way of catching up. My understanding it will have the capabilities of Bluetooth systems that are now available in some high end Japanese vehicles. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Ford and Microsoft go wireless I get press releases from the North American International Auto Show. Today, I received a summary of a joint release from Ford and Microsoft saying that all Ford vehicles will be equipped with wireless routers and internet receivers. I'm not sure how this will work or what the details might be. It could be much ado about nothing. But I'm going down to the show tomorrow to do a few pics for clients, so i'll try to get the full text of the release. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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More importantly, how many how big are the cup holders, does it have a curry hook as standard and a hot/cold drink warmer/cooler? These are the more important features IMHO. I guess a lot has to do with what you do with your car. My 31 year old son is looking for a new vehicle is having a hard time considering any without Blue tooth technology due to the convenience it offers, tho I'm not sure he's willing to pay extra for it. I read somewhere that this technology can add up to $1,000 USD to the cost to the customer. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless More importantly, how many how big are the cup holders, does it have a curry hook as standard and a hot/cold drink warmer/cooler? These are the more important features IMHO. Dave On 1/8/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its Ford way of catching up. My understanding it will have the capabilities of Bluetooth systems that are now available in some high end Japanese vehicles. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Ford and Microsoft go wireless I get press releases from the North American International Auto Show. Today, I received a summary of a joint release from Ford and Microsoft saying that all Ford vehicles will be equipped with wireless routers and internet receivers. I'm not sure how this will work or what the details might be. It could be much ado about nothing. But I'm going down to the show tomorrow to do a few pics for clients, so i'll try to get the full text of the release. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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What's a curry hook? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless More importantly, how many how big are the cup holders, does it have a curry hook as standard and a hot/cold drink warmer/cooler? These are the more important features IMHO. Dave On 1/8/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its Ford way of catching up. My understanding it will have the capabilities of Bluetooth systems that are now available in some high end Japanese vehicles. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Ford and Microsoft go wireless I get press releases from the North American International Auto Show. Today, I received a summary of a joint release from Ford and Microsoft saying that all Ford vehicles will be equipped with wireless routers and internet receivers. I'm not sure how this will work or what the details might be. It could be much ado about nothing. But I'm going down to the show tomorrow to do a few pics for clients, so i'll try to get the full text of the release. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Somebody is going to figure out how to hack into Bluetooth enabled vehicles and then the fun will begin. John Francis wrote: Not just Japanese vehicles ... One of my friends calls my BMW Z4 the largest Bluetooth hands-free headset he's seen for a long time On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 08:43:45PM -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote: Its Ford way of catching up. My understanding it will have the capabilities of Bluetooth systems that are now available in some high end Japanese vehicles. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Ford and Microsoft go wireless I get press releases from the North American International Auto Show. Today, I received a summary of a joint release from Ford and Microsoft saying that all Ford vehicles will be equipped with wireless routers and internet receivers. I'm not sure how this will work or what the details might be. It could be much ado about nothing. But I'm going down to the show tomorrow to do a few pics for clients, so i'll try to get the full text of the release. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- -- The more I know of men, the more I like my dog. -- Anne Louise Germaine de Stael -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 09/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess a lot has to do with what you do with your car. My 31 year old son is looking for a new vehicle is having a hard time considering any without Blue tooth technology due to the convenience it offers, tho I'm not sure he's willing to pay extra for it. I read somewhere that this technology can add up to $1,000 USD to the cost to the customer. That's what I just love about car manufacturers, $10 worth of tech to the manufacturer is $1k to the client. Case in point; the integrated nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier than most $500 stand alone units. :-( -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Case in point; the integrated nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier than most $500 stand alone units. :-( Then I have to ask why did you purchase it? Of the many new cars I've purchased, I've always ordered had made exactly what I wanted. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless On 09/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess a lot has to do with what you do with your car. My 31 year old son is looking for a new vehicle is having a hard time considering any without Blue tooth technology due to the convenience it offers, tho I'm not sure he's willing to pay extra for it. I read somewhere that this technology can add up to $1,000 USD to the cost to the customer. That's what I just love about car manufacturers, $10 worth of tech to the manufacturer is $1k to the client. Case in point; the integrated nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier than most $500 stand alone units. :-( -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 09/01/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody is going to figure out how to hack into Bluetooth enabled vehicles and then the fun will begin. If they only publish themselves as a headset device then there's not much potential for hacking. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 07:52:42AM +1100, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 09/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess a lot has to do with what you do with your car. My 31 year old son is looking for a new vehicle is having a hard time considering any without Blue tooth technology due to the convenience it offers, tho I'm not sure he's willing to pay extra for it. I read somewhere that this technology can add up to $1,000 USD to the cost to the customer. That's what I just love about car manufacturers, $10 worth of tech to the manufacturer is $1k to the client. Case in point; the integrated nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier than most $500 stand alone units. :-( And probably doesn't work as well, either. I can't use my (Bluetooth) Treo 700w with my (Bluetooth) BMW Z4, even though the BMW supposedly offers full integration - sound through the car audio speakers, and a microphone on the steering column. That's because the car wants to know the contents of the phone book (so it can identify an incoming call on the in-car display, etc.). But it expects phone numbers to consist of just the digits 0-9. Unfortunately the Treo is a Windows Mobile 5 device, and uses Outlook Mobile as the contact manager. This displays phone numbers formatted for human eyes complete with parentheses and hyphens. This upsets the car, and so it drops the Bluetooth connection :-( -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 09/01/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Case in point; the integrated nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier than most $500 stand alone units. :-( Then I have to ask why did you purchase it? Because of the level of integration (they have you over a barrel with the new cars, mine contains three discrete wired networks adding peripheries is quite difficult) and the fact that I do not modify vehicles, the cost to insure here soar with mods and I want to be able to pick up the same thing again with ease in the event that the cars is stolen and unrecoverable. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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P. J. Alling wrote: Somebody is going to figure out how to hack into Bluetooth enabled vehicles and then the fun will begin. Won't take long: http://www.techworld.com/security/features/index.cfm?featureID=2622pagtype=samecatsamechan http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/06/07/79045_HNbluebag_1.html http://news.com.com/2300-7349_3-6102103-1.html?tag=ne.gall.pg Of course, the issue is Bluetooth's very limited range. You have to be pretty close to get anything, so parked cars (or those stuck in traffic!) will be the main target. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jan 8, 2007, at 15:21, John Francis wrote: And probably doesn't work as well, either. I can't use my (Bluetooth) Treo 700w with my (Bluetooth) BMW Z4, even though the BMW supposedly offers full integration - sound through the car audio speakers, and a microphone on the steering column. That's because the car wants to know the contents of the phone book (so it can identify an incoming call on the in-car display, etc.). But it expects phone numbers to consist of just the digits 0-9. Unfortunately the Treo is a Windows Mobile 5 device, and uses Outlook Mobile as the contact manager. This displays phone numbers formatted for human eyes complete with parentheses and hyphens. This upsets the car, and so it drops the Bluetooth connection :-( One wonders if the PalmOS-based Treo700 has the same limitation... -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 8/1/07, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed: One wonders if the PalmOS-based Treo700 has the same limitation... Palm based Treos are the 650 and 680. I have the 650 and the formatting for phone numbers is . -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Cotty wrote: On 8/1/07, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed: One wonders if the PalmOS-based Treo700 has the same limitation... Palm based Treos are the 650 and 680. I have the 650 and the formatting for phone numbers is . Actually the 700 comes in two versions, the 700p running PalmOS and the 700wx running Windows Mobile. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jan 8, 2007, at 16:39, Cotty wrote: On 8/1/07, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed: One wonders if the PalmOS-based Treo700 has the same limitation... Palm based Treos are the 650 and 680. I have the 650 and the formatting for phone numbers is . In the U.S. at least, there is also a 700p. Sorry if you guys don't get one. :-) The 680 came out later for some carriers.. after the 700p (and it is amusing that the screen resolution for the 700w is less than for the otherwise-mostly-identical 700p) -Charles -- Charles Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless Case in point; the integrated nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier than most $500 stand alone units. :-( Then I have to ask why did you purchase it? Of the many new cars I've purchased, I've always ordered had made exactly what I wanted. When I was shopping for my Titan, I discovered that in the USA, you get to order every additional item that you want over and above the stock vehicle. In Canada, I had the choice of three option packages, none of which was quite right. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 09/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was shopping for my Titan, I discovered that in the USA, you get to order every additional item that you want over and above the stock vehicle. In Canada, I had the choice of three option packages, none of which was quite right. The same here, options are linked to engine capacity, the higher the engine capacity the greater the range of options, it's a PITA. In there infinite wisdom the idiots who put together the Oz packages for my vehicle excluded the CD stacker cable in the vehicle with the smallest engine which means that I can have a cable put in for a thousand bucks or so (and no, third party install is not a viable option in this vehicle) or alternately not be able to play audio CDs whilst using my nav. Also the nav unit is CD only and does not read mp3 files however it does have a wide screen display (but you need a third party buggery box to access and enable the AV in). Priceless. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 8/1/07, Adam Maas, discombobulated, unleashed: Actually the 700 comes in two versions, the 700p running PalmOS and the 700wx running Windows Mobile. I stand corrected. http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo700p/ But the 680 is a newer, higher spec: http://www.palm.com/us/products/smartphones/treo680/ -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Kenneth Waller I discovered that in the USA, you get to order every additional item that you want over and above the stock vehicle. I don't know about other vehicles but with Ford, most options are combined in various packages,with a few being stand alone options. It helps in design, supply on the assembly line with complexity With my Boxster, most functional options were stand alone. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless - Original Message - From: Kenneth Waller Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless Case in point; the integrated nav unit in my vehicle is a $5k option yet it's slower and clunkier than most $500 stand alone units. :-( Then I have to ask why did you purchase it? Of the many new cars I've purchased, I've always ordered had made exactly what I wanted. When I was shopping for my Titan, I discovered that in the USA, you get to order every additional item that you want over and above the stock vehicle. In Canada, I had the choice of three option packages, none of which was quite right. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's a hook to hang the plastic bag that take away curry containers are packed in. It's job is to stop the package from sliding around, and spilling, on the passenger side seat/foot well. http://www.curryhook.co.uk/index.htm It was a feature I heard about, and I believe was built into a few cars that were released in the UK. BTW, I wasn't being serious in my original message :-) Cheers, Dave On 1/9/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's a curry hook? Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Ford and Microsoft go wireless More importantly, how many how big are the cup holders, does it have a curry hook as standard and a hot/cold drink warmer/cooler? These are the more important features IMHO. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 04:56:56PM -0600, Charles Robinson wrote: On Jan 8, 2007, at 16:39, Cotty wrote: On 8/1/07, Charles Robinson, discombobulated, unleashed: One wonders if the PalmOS-based Treo700 has the same limitation... Palm based Treos are the 650 and 680. I have the 650 and the formatting for phone numbers is . In the U.S. at least, there is also a 700p. Sorry if you guys don't get one. :-) The 680 came out later for some carriers.. after the 700p (and it is amusing that the screen resolution for the 700w is less than for the otherwise-mostly-identical 700p) -Charles Now that is one thing you can definitely blame on Windows. Windows Mobile only allows for some specific screen resolutions. That includes 320x240 and 240x240 (and even 640x380), but not 320x320. That said, though, the 240x240 on a 700w looks pretty darn sharp. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Its Ford way of catching up. My understanding it will have the capabilities of Bluetooth systems that are now available in some high end Japanese vehicles. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Ford and Microsoft go wireless I get press releases from the North American International Auto Show. Today, I received a summary of a joint release from Ford and Microsoft saying that all Ford vehicles will be equipped with wireless routers and internet receivers. I'm not sure how this will work or what the details might be. It could be much ado about nothing. But I'm going down to the show tomorrow to do a few pics for clients, so i'll try to get the full text of the release. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I get press releases from the North American International Auto Show. Today, I received a summary of a joint release from Ford and Microsoft saying that all Ford vehicles will be equipped with wireless routers and internet receivers. I'm not sure how this will work or what the details might be. It could be much ado about nothing. But I'm going down to the show tomorrow to do a few pics for clients, so i'll try to get the full text of the release. Blue oval of death? John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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No, death isn't an option at the moment. Could be in the future, but I doubt it. Huge companies have a way of healing themselves, frequently with help from others. Like Microsoft, for example. Paul On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:40 PM, John Celio wrote: I get press releases from the North American International Auto Show. Today, I received a summary of a joint release from Ford and Microsoft saying that all Ford vehicles will be equipped with wireless routers and internet receivers. I'm not sure how this will work or what the details might be. It could be much ado about nothing. But I'm going down to the show tomorrow to do a few pics for clients, so i'll try to get the full text of the release. Blue oval of death? John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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More importantly, how many how big are the cup holders, does it have a curry hook as standard and a hot/cold drink warmer/cooler? These are the more important features IMHO. Dave On 1/8/07, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its Ford way of catching up. My understanding it will have the capabilities of Bluetooth systems that are now available in some high end Japanese vehicles. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Ford and Microsoft go wireless I get press releases from the North American International Auto Show. Today, I received a summary of a joint release from Ford and Microsoft saying that all Ford vehicles will be equipped with wireless routers and internet receivers. I'm not sure how this will work or what the details might be. It could be much ado about nothing. But I'm going down to the show tomorrow to do a few pics for clients, so i'll try to get the full text of the release. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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And no doubt a repeat of the infamous Lexus Bluetooth virus that's been going around using Bluetooth-equipped Lexuses as a distribution method. It's hard to patch cars reliably. -Adam Kenneth Waller wrote: Its Ford way of catching up. My understanding it will have the capabilities of Bluetooth systems that are now available in some high end Japanese vehicles. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Ford and Microsoft go wireless I get press releases from the North American International Auto Show. Today, I received a summary of a joint release from Ford and Microsoft saying that all Ford vehicles will be equipped with wireless routers and internet receivers. I'm not sure how this will work or what the details might be. It could be much ado about nothing. But I'm going down to the show tomorrow to do a few pics for clients, so i'll try to get the full text of the release. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Blue oval of death? No, death isn't an option at the moment. Could be in the future, but I doubt it. Huge companies have a way of healing themselves, frequently with help from others. Like Microsoft, for example. I meant... instead of the infamous Blue Screen of Death... Nevermind. John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Not just Japanese vehicles ... One of my friends calls my BMW Z4 the largest Bluetooth hands-free headset he's seen for a long time On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 08:43:45PM -0500, Kenneth Waller wrote: Its Ford way of catching up. My understanding it will have the capabilities of Bluetooth systems that are now available in some high end Japanese vehicles. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Ford and Microsoft go wireless I get press releases from the North American International Auto Show. Today, I received a summary of a joint release from Ford and Microsoft saying that all Ford vehicles will be equipped with wireless routers and internet receivers. I'm not sure how this will work or what the details might be. It could be much ado about nothing. But I'm going down to the show tomorrow to do a few pics for clients, so i'll try to get the full text of the release. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
