Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
On 7/26/2013 9:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: I nearly had to resort to a barf-bag on reading that article, he sounds like a reformed smoker or a born again... I didn't even look at it because I expected as much. I genuinely like a lot of street photography (Juan Buhler and Frank Theriault being amongst my favorite practitioners!) but I've noticed that the people who are good at it tend not to write about it and the people who write about it tend to give my dry heaves. I got as far as him teaching a street photography workshop in Tokyo where someone gave him a Leica M6. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:43:22AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain cells.) So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll also find 'em here. Enjoy! http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/ If hipness could kill, he'd be in the ICU. Seriously though, there is a lot that you can learn from shooting film, though most of it could be applied to shooting with a digital camera. There is nothing preventing you from taking care to set up each photo with digital, and then move on after it has been taken. He talks about the dynamic range of film, and to my surprise Tri-X might exceed the dynamic range of the K-5 at ASA 400 http://www.dantestella.com/technical/dynamic.html ItemNumeric Stops of range in subject Polaroid Sprintscan 120 scanner 3.9dDepends on the film being scanned. Tmax 400 film (0.58 CI) 3.4d19.5 stops Tmax 100 film (0.58 CI) 3.0d17 stops Tri-X 35mm film (0.58 CI) 2.4d13.5 stops Kodak DCS Pro 14n digital 69dB11.5 stops Fuji Finepix S3 digital camera -- 10 stops (estimated) Tri-X 35mm film (0.75 CI) 2.4d10.5 stops Nikon D2x digital camera-- 9.5 stops (measured) Typical LCD display 500:1 9 stops Kodachrome 25, 64, 200 (1.4 gamma) 3.7d8 stops Ektachrome 100 (1.4 gamma) 3.4d7.5 stops Human eye (no iris change) 150:1 7 stops I will say that the kinesthetic experience of using a film camera is different than that of using a digital. In comparison, most digital cameras feel nearly disposable. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
Film vs Digital (in a nutshell) http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=32912 On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:43:22AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain cells.) So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll also find 'em here. Enjoy! http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/ If hipness could kill, he'd be in the ICU. Seriously though, there is a lot that you can learn from shooting film, though most of it could be applied to shooting with a digital camera. There is nothing preventing you from taking care to set up each photo with digital, and then move on after it has been taken. He talks about the dynamic range of film, and to my surprise Tri-X might exceed the dynamic range of the K-5 at ASA 400 http://www.dantestella.com/technical/dynamic.html ItemNumeric Stops of range in subject Polaroid Sprintscan 120 scanner 3.9dDepends on the film being scanned. Tmax 400 film (0.58 CI) 3.4d19.5 stops Tmax 100 film (0.58 CI) 3.0d17 stops Tri-X 35mm film (0.58 CI) 2.4d13.5 stops Kodak DCS Pro 14n digital 69dB11.5 stops Fuji Finepix S3 digital camera -- 10 stops (estimated) Tri-X 35mm film (0.75 CI) 2.4d10.5 stops Nikon D2x digital camera-- 9.5 stops (measured) Typical LCD display 500:1 9 stops Kodachrome 25, 64, 200 (1.4 gamma) 3.7d8 stops Ektachrome 100 (1.4 gamma) 3.4d7.5 stops Human eye (no iris change) 150:1 7 stops I will say that the kinesthetic experience of using a film camera is different than that of using a digital. In comparison, most digital cameras feel nearly disposable. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:50:30PM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: Film vs Digital (in a nutshell) http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=32912 I just saw a reference that 10% of all the photographs ever taken, were taken in the past 12 months. http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2013/07/monarchy-versus-the-panopticon.html#more -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
Boredom is just Nature's way of telling you it's a convenient time to take a nap. On 7/26/2013 12:43 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain cells.) So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll also find 'em here. Enjoy! http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
... a Christmas tree on each end of the roll. On 7/26/2013 1:50 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Film vs Digital (in a nutshell) http://www.shoeboxblog.com/?p=32912 On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:43:22AM -0500, Darren Addy wrote: Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain cells.) So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll also find 'em here. Enjoy! http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/ If hipness could kill, he'd be in the ICU. Seriously though, there is a lot that you can learn from shooting film, though most of it could be applied to shooting with a digital camera. There is nothing preventing you from taking care to set up each photo with digital, and then move on after it has been taken. He talks about the dynamic range of film, and to my surprise Tri-X might exceed the dynamic range of the K-5 at ASA 400 http://www.dantestella.com/technical/dynamic.html ItemNumeric Stops of range in subject Polaroid Sprintscan 120 scanner 3.9dDepends on the film being scanned. Tmax 400 film (0.58 CI) 3.4d19.5 stops Tmax 100 film (0.58 CI) 3.0d17 stops Tri-X 35mm film (0.58 CI) 2.4d13.5 stops Kodak DCS Pro 14n digital 69dB11.5 stops Fuji Finepix S3 digital camera -- 10 stops (estimated) Tri-X 35mm film (0.75 CI) 2.4d10.5 stops Nikon D2x digital camera-- 9.5 stops (measured) Typical LCD display 500:1 9 stops Kodachrome 25, 64, 200 (1.4 gamma) 3.7d8 stops Ektachrome 100 (1.4 gamma) 3.4d7.5 stops Human eye (no iris change) 150:1 7 stops I will say that the kinesthetic experience of using a film camera is different than that of using a digital. In comparison, most digital cameras feel nearly disposable. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com http://red4est.com/lrc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
On 27 July 2013 03:10, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: If hipness could kill, he'd be in the ICU. Seriously though, there is a lot that you can learn from shooting film, though most of it could be applied to shooting with a digital camera. There is nothing preventing you from taking care to set up each photo with digital, and then move on after it has been taken. He talks about the dynamic range of film, and to my surprise Tri-X might exceed the dynamic range of the K-5 at ASA 400 http://www.dantestella.com/technical/dynamic.html ItemNumeric Stops of range in subject Polaroid Sprintscan 120 scanner 3.9dDepends on the film being scanned. Tmax 400 film (0.58 CI) 3.4d19.5 stops Tmax 100 film (0.58 CI) 3.0d17 stops Tri-X 35mm film (0.58 CI) 2.4d13.5 stops Kodak DCS Pro 14n digital 69dB11.5 stops Fuji Finepix S3 digital camera -- 10 stops (estimated) Tri-X 35mm film (0.75 CI) 2.4d10.5 stops Nikon D2x digital camera-- 9.5 stops (measured) Typical LCD display 500:1 9 stops Kodachrome 25, 64, 200 (1.4 gamma) 3.7d8 stops Ektachrome 100 (1.4 gamma) 3.4d7.5 stops Human eye (no iris change) 150:1 7 stops I will say that the kinesthetic experience of using a film camera is different than that of using a digital. In comparison, most digital cameras feel nearly disposable. I nearly had to resort to a barf-bag on reading that article, he sounds like a reformed smoker or a born again... In the case of latitude on film vs digital my theory is that people are far more likely to hold back exposure to prevent burning out highlights in digital media because it's so obvious, especially when working in colour. In the case of BW film you can burn baby burn and even at max density there is still a relatively soft transition into the normally exposed areas and of course there are no giveaway colour shifts. I'm betting that the Leica M-Monochrom would seem a lot more film like. -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
Rob Studdert wrote: I nearly had to resort to a barf-bag on reading that article, he sounds like a reformed smoker or a born again... I didn't even look at it because I expected as much. I genuinely like a lot of street photography (Juan Buhler and Frank Theriault being amongst my favorite practitioners!) but I've noticed that the people who are good at it tend not to write about it and the people who write about it tend to give my dry heaves. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
I tend to feel the same way about Photoshop gurus. (Not really, just feeling like a smartburro.) On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: I nearly had to resort to a barf-bag on reading that article, he sounds like a reformed smoker or a born again... I didn't even look at it because I expected as much. I genuinely like a lot of street photography (Juan Buhler and Frank Theriault being amongst my favorite practitioners!) but I've noticed that the people who are good at it tend not to write about it and the people who write about it tend to give my dry heaves. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
Thanks for posting that. Personally, I agree with many of his points and appreciate him sharing his evolution into the analog world. Personally. I like film because I like the process and results. I like digital for the same reasons. And hand shadows And most anything esle that I've decided to do more than once. Mark On 7/26/2013 12:43 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain cells.) So here is a well thought-out blog post that anyone who enjoys STREET PHOTOGRAPHY will get a kick out of. And if you want to read some arguments for why Film is Not Yet Dead (it just smells funny), you'll also find 'em here. Enjoy! http://erickimphotography.com/blog/2012/04/22/why-digital-is-dead-for-me-in-street-photography/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
on 2013-07-26 10:43 Darren Addy wrote Nobody is posting this morning and so I'm bored to tears. (Actually, I am never bored. I find boredom to be the sign of a mind lacking brain cells.) boredom is an essential human state and crucial to spiritual development -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
On 26/07/2013 7:15 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: On 27 July 2013 03:10, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: If hipness could kill, he'd be in the ICU. Seriously though, there is a lot that you can learn from shooting film, though most of it could be applied to shooting with a digital camera. There is nothing preventing you from taking care to set up each photo with digital, and then move on after it has been taken. He talks about the dynamic range of film, and to my surprise Tri-X might exceed the dynamic range of the K-5 at ASA 400 http://www.dantestella.com/technical/dynamic.html ItemNumeric Stops of range in subject Polaroid Sprintscan 120 scanner 3.9dDepends on the film being scanned. Tmax 400 film (0.58 CI) 3.4d19.5 stops Tmax 100 film (0.58 CI) 3.0d17 stops Tri-X 35mm film (0.58 CI) 2.4d13.5 stops Kodak DCS Pro 14n digital 69dB11.5 stops Fuji Finepix S3 digital camera -- 10 stops (estimated) Tri-X 35mm film (0.75 CI) 2.4d10.5 stops Nikon D2x digital camera-- 9.5 stops (measured) Typical LCD display 500:1 9 stops Kodachrome 25, 64, 200 (1.4 gamma) 3.7d8 stops Ektachrome 100 (1.4 gamma) 3.4d7.5 stops Human eye (no iris change) 150:1 7 stops I will say that the kinesthetic experience of using a film camera is different than that of using a digital. In comparison, most digital cameras feel nearly disposable. I nearly had to resort to a barf-bag on reading that article, he sounds like a reformed smoker or a born again... In the case of latitude on film vs digital my theory is that people are far more likely to hold back exposure to prevent burning out highlights in digital media because it's so obvious, especially when working in colour. In the case of BW film you can burn baby burn and even at max density there is still a relatively soft transition into the normally exposed areas and of course there are no giveaway colour shifts. I'm betting that the Leica M-Monochrom would seem a lot more film like. His numbers are whacked out. Tri-X is hard pressed to give more than a 10 stop range, and you had better be prepared to do some really deliberate exposure and development to get it to 10 stops, much less anything greater, and there wasn't a Kodachrome made that would give more than a 6 stop range. The K5, with it's 14 stop range is comfortably better than ANY colour film ever made, and can only be outdone in dynamic range by BW film by extreme over exposure/extreme under development. N-4 or N-5 development will hit close to 14 stops with FP-4 (been there, done that, have the picture to prove it), but you are exposing the film at something like ISO 6 and then giving the film a reach around to get it to cooperate. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: Why Digital is Dead for me in Street Photography
On 26/07/2013 7:31 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Rob Studdert wrote: ... but I've noticed that the people who are good at it tend not to write about it and the people who write about it tend to give my dry heaves. um. MARK!! bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
