Re: PESO - Breakfast excavation
What Wikipedia says about reindeer in general is pretty much accurate. On the other hand, the Svalbard reindeer has never been domesticated. There's no archaeological record of any human settlement on Svalbard prior to the first European whalers arrival in the sixteenth century. The Svalbard subspecies differ from ordinary reindeers in other ways too. Look here for a description: http://npweb.npolar.no/english/arter/svalbardrein 2011/3/22 Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com: From Wikipeda: Reindeer have been herded for centuries by several Arctic and Subarctic people including the Sami and the Nenets. They are raised for their meat, hides, antlers and, to a lesser extent, for milk and transportation. Reindeer are not considered fully domesticated, as they generally roam free on pasture grounds. In traditional nomadic herding, reindeer herders migrate with their herds between coast and inland areas according to an annual migration route, and herds are keenly tended. However, reindeer were not bred in captivity, though they were tamed for milking as well as for use as draught animals or beasts of burden. The use of reindeer as semi-domesticated livestock in Alaska was introduced in the late 19th century by the U.S. Revenue Cutter Service, with assistance from Sheldon Jackson, as a means of providing a livelihood for Native peoples there.[33] Reindeer were imported first from Siberia, and later also from Norway. A regular mail run in Wales, Alaska, used a sleigh drawn by reindeer.[34] In Alaska, reindeer herders use satellite telemetry to track their herds, using online maps and databases to chart the herd's progress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reindeer On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Looked like he was falling into the ice... and that you wer fairly near him -- so just wondered if there were people about helping him up. Yes, feeding wild animals not a good idea, although you probably know they eat reindeer meat in Alaska and Canada - and the critters get domesticated to a point and dressed up for Christmas.. so those are not likely to get eaten. I _think_ that some are farmed for meat. ann AlunFoto wrote: 2011/3/22 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: He needs to get a job with Santa... Were you able to help in anyway? The Svalbard reindeer is stockier than other subspecies, and can't run like Rudolph. I don't think they'd be of much use for Santa. :-) Feeding wild animals is strictly forbidden on Svalbard. It's a principle of ignoring them so they ignore us. Polar bears being the exception, of course. If I got it right they are sedated, tagged and relocated by helicopter. Then if observed a second time in the city, they are killed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/3/22 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/frokostutgraving-breakfast-excavation.html It does not work for me. I like the story, but the photograph does not really illustrate it. Thanks Boris. Much appreciated. Means I probably read too much of my personal interest into this. :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Breakfast excavation
The reindeer's fate is not brought about by humans. The climate up here is not really suited for producing any top soil at all. It's all just material from glacial erosion. The spoil heaps from the coal mines hardly stand out either, it's the same difference. The situation for the animals is the same all over Svalbard, it's not related to areas with mining. Part of the hazards of life to this animal. 2011/3/21 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: Poor guys! I'm guessing the gravel is a result of human intervention in the area? In other words, it wasn't a problem before we came along? What type of animal is it, BTW? Very poignant shot. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/21/2011 12:17 PM, AlunFoto wrote: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/frokostutgraving-breakfast-excavation.html Can't help but feeling sorry for these animals. Someone told me their lifespan is mostly determined by the quality of their teeth. When worn out, they die of hunger just like old elephants. However their lifetime expectancy is considerably lower because they inadvertently much a lot of gravel with their food. Especially in winter when their food is all remnants of last summer's growth, mostly frozen to the ground. It does not work for me. I like the story, but the photograph does not really illustrate it. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2011/3/22 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: He needs to get a job with Santa... Were you able to help in anyway? The Svalbard reindeer is stockier than other subspecies, and can't run like Rudolph. I don't think they'd be of much use for Santa. :-) Feeding wild animals is strictly forbidden on Svalbard. It's a principle of ignoring them so they ignore us. Polar bears being the exception, of course. If I got it right they are sedated, tagged and relocated by helicopter. Then if observed a second time in the city, they are killed. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interesting photo, and a fascinating comment. I suspected as much in regard to the environment. Paul On Mar 22, 2011, at 2:48 AM, AlunFoto wrote: The reindeer's fate is not brought about by humans. The climate up here is not really suited for producing any top soil at all. It's all just material from glacial erosion. The spoil heaps from the coal mines hardly stand out either, it's the same difference. The situation for the animals is the same all over Svalbard, it's not related to areas with mining. Part of the hazards of life to this animal. 2011/3/21 frank theriault knarftheria...@gmail.com: Poor guys! I'm guessing the gravel is a result of human intervention in the area? In other words, it wasn't a problem before we came along? What type of animal is it, BTW? Very poignant shot. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Looked like he was falling into the ice... and that you wer fairly near him -- so just wondered if there were people about helping him up. Yes, feeding wild animals not a good idea, although you probably know they eat reindeer meat in Alaska and Canada - and the critters get domesticated to a point and dressed up for Christmas.. so those are not likely to get eaten. I _think_ that some are farmed for meat. ann AlunFoto wrote: 2011/3/22 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: He needs to get a job with Santa... Were you able to help in anyway? The Svalbard reindeer is stockier than other subspecies, and can't run like Rudolph. I don't think they'd be of much use for Santa. :-) Feeding wild animals is strictly forbidden on Svalbard. It's a principle of ignoring them so they ignore us. Polar bears being the exception, of course. If I got it right they are sedated, tagged and relocated by helicopter. Then if observed a second time in the city, they are killed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mar 22, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Looked like he was falling into the ice... and that you wer fairly near him -- so just wondered if there were people about helping him up. Yes, feeding wild animals not a good idea, although you probably know they eat reindeer meat in Alaska and Canada - and the critters get domesticated to a point and dressed up for Christmas.. so those are not likely to get eaten. I _think_ that some are farmed for meat. Deer are farmed for meat in New Zealand. With the controlled diet and somewhat limited movement, venison is very good, much better than the wild variety. Paul ann AlunFoto wrote: 2011/3/22 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: He needs to get a job with Santa... Were you able to help in anyway? The Svalbard reindeer is stockier than other subspecies, and can't run like Rudolph. I don't think they'd be of much use for Santa. :-) Feeding wild animals is strictly forbidden on Svalbard. It's a principle of ignoring them so they ignore us. Polar bears being the exception, of course. If I got it right they are sedated, tagged and relocated by helicopter. Then if observed a second time in the city, they are killed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Breakfast excavation
From Wikipeda: Reindeer have been herded for centuries by several Arctic and Subarctic people including the Sami and the Nenets. They are raised for their meat, hides, antlers and, to a lesser extent, for milk and transportation. Reindeer are not considered fully domesticated, as they generally roam free on pasture grounds. In traditional nomadic herding, reindeer herders migrate with their herds between coast and inland areas according to an annual migration route, and herds are keenly tended. However, reindeer were not bred in captivity, though they were tamed for milking as well as for use as draught animals or beasts of burden. The use of reindeer as semi-domesticated livestock in Alaska was introduced in the late 19th century by the U.S. Revenue Cutter Service, with assistance from Sheldon Jackson, as a means of providing a livelihood for Native peoples there.[33] Reindeer were imported first from Siberia, and later also from Norway. A regular mail run in Wales, Alaska, used a sleigh drawn by reindeer.[34] In Alaska, reindeer herders use satellite telemetry to track their herds, using online maps and databases to chart the herd's progress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reindeer On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Looked like he was falling into the ice... and that you wer fairly near him -- so just wondered if there were people about helping him up. Yes, feeding wild animals not a good idea, although you probably know they eat reindeer meat in Alaska and Canada - and the critters get domesticated to a point and dressed up for Christmas.. so those are not likely to get eaten. I _think_ that some are farmed for meat. ann AlunFoto wrote: 2011/3/22 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com: He needs to get a job with Santa... Were you able to help in anyway? The Svalbard reindeer is stockier than other subspecies, and can't run like Rudolph. I don't think they'd be of much use for Santa. :-) Feeding wild animals is strictly forbidden on Svalbard. It's a principle of ignoring them so they ignore us. Polar bears being the exception, of course. If I got it right they are sedated, tagged and relocated by helicopter. Then if observed a second time in the city, they are killed. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nice. Good colour here on what looks like a heavy overcast day. Dave On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/frokostutgraving-breakfast-excavation.html Can't help but feeling sorry for these animals. Someone told me their lifespan is mostly determined by the quality of their teeth. When worn out, they die of hunger just like old elephants. However their lifetime expectancy is considerably lower because they inadvertently much a lot of gravel with their food. Especially in winter when their food is all remnants of last summer's growth, mostly frozen to the ground. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:17 AM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/frokostutgraving-breakfast-excavation.html Can't help but feeling sorry for these animals. Someone told me their lifespan is mostly determined by the quality of their teeth. When worn out, they die of hunger just like old elephants. However their lifetime expectancy is considerably lower because they inadvertently much a lot of gravel with their food. Especially in winter when their food is all remnants of last summer's growth, mostly frozen to the ground. Poor guys! I'm guessing the gravel is a result of human intervention in the area? In other words, it wasn't a problem before we came along? What type of animal is it, BTW? Very poignant shot. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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He needs to get a job with Santa... Were you able to help in anyway? ann AlunFoto wrote: http://alunfoto.blogspot.com/2011/03/frokostutgraving-breakfast-excavation.html Can't help but feeling sorry for these animals. Someone told me their lifespan is mostly determined by the quality of their teeth. When worn out, they die of hunger just like old elephants. However their lifetime expectancy is considerably lower because they inadvertently much a lot of gravel with their food. Especially in winter when their food is all remnants of last summer's growth, mostly frozen to the ground. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
