Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-09 Thread John

May I take that to mean that the forum is not punny enough?

John G.


On 6/6/2014 5:02 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Ann Sanfedele wrote:


Just for the record - I won't be there - hard enough to keep up here
Hope you joiners don't like it better than PDML and flee

It's very unlikely to offer any competition to the PDML. It's a very
different medium.

It's also unlikely to tolerate wildly off-topic digressions like this
place :)
  



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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-07 Thread Bill

On 06/06/2014 8:49 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:




...Night has fallen and the barbarians have not come,
   And now what will become of us without barbarians?
  They were some sort of a solution..
 K. Kavafy

ann


I'm sure this was posted here before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG62zay3kck

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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-07 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 7 Jun 2014, at 14:12, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On 06/06/2014 8:49 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 ...Night has fallen and the barbarians have not come,
   And now what will become of us without barbarians?
  They were some sort of a solution..
 K. Kavafy
 
 ann
 I'm sure this was posted here before.
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG62zay3kck
 

Don't post it too often bitte oder es wird bald 
Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbietbarbaerbelbarbezahlbank boring 
bekommen, Bill. Bob



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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread David J Brooks
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
 might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I also did.

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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 registered


 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com 
 wrote:
 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
 might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
 the PentaxForums web site.


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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Paul Stenquist
Ditto.

On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

 registered
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com 
 wrote:
 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/
 
 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
 might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
 the PentaxForums web site.
 
 
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Jan van Wijk
And one more ...

Not too much activity sofar, but someone from Ricoh/Pentax seems to be 
answering most questions (JoeV)

Regards, JvW


On Fri, 6 Jun 2014 11:17:51 -0400 Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

I also did.

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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 registered


 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com 
 wrote:
 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
 might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
 the PentaxForums web site.


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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Jack Davis
and I, also.

J

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Subject: Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

I also did.

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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 registered


 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com 
 wrote:
 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
 might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
 the PentaxForums web site.


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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Bruce
Ditto the ditto. 

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 Ditto.
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 registered
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com 
 wrote:
 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/
 
 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
 might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
 the PentaxForums web site.
 
 
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread David J Brooks
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
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as K5Guy

Dave


 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com 
 wrote:
 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Marco Alpert
Me too, too.

m

On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/
 
 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Apparently only short questions (100 characters or less) are permitted.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:
 Me too, too.

 m

 On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Richard Womer
What good is that?

It's hard to even maintain a pun thread with 100 characters or less.

Rick
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:
 Apparently only short questions (100 characters or less) are permitted.

 Dan Matyola
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 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:
 Me too, too.

 m

 On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Stanley Halpin
Not so. You start with a short question. That becomes the header/title. Click 
continue et voila you have a large text box to detail your query to your 
heart’s content. Been there, done that. Don’t have the T-shirt yet (but Nico 
did give me a hat).

stan

On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:

 Apparently only short questions (100 characters or less) are permitted.
 
 Dan Matyola
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 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:
 Me too, too.
 
 m
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/
 
 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
 might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
 the PentaxForums web site.
 
 
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 6/6/14, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:

It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
the PentaxForums web site.

What, a few Fuji trolls as well ;-)

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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 6/6/14, Daniel J. Matyola, discombobulated, unleashed:

Apparently only short questions (100 characters or less) are permitted.

That rules out Lar

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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Chris Mitchell
Er, fewer, not less (and what about that split infinitive!).

Yours pedantically, Chris

On 6 June 2014 19:02, Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 What good is that?

 It's hard to even maintain a pun thread with 100 characters or less.

 Rick
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 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Apparently only short questions (100 characters or less) are permitted.

 Dan Matyola
 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:
 Me too, too.

 m

 On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Just for the record - I won't be there - hard enough to keep up here
Hope you joiners don't like it better than PDML and flee

ann

On 6/6/2014 15:01, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Not so. You start with a short question. That becomes the header/title. Click 
continue et voila you have a large text box to detail your query to your 
heart’s content. Been there, done that. Don’t have the T-shirt yet (but Nico 
did give me a hat).

stan

On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote:


Apparently only short questions (100 characters or less) are permitted.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:

Me too, too.

m

On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 6 Jun 2014, at 19:03, Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What good is that?
 
 It's hard to even maintain a pun thread with 100 characters or less.

Fewer...

B
 
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 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
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 Apparently only short questions (100 characters or less) are permitted.
 
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 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
 On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:
 Me too, too.
 
 m
 
 On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
 http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/
 
 It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
 it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
 might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
 the PentaxForums web site.
 
 
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 6 Jun 2014, at 19:03, Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What good is that?
 
 It's hard to even maintain a pun thread with 100 characters or less.

Fewer...

Oh, all right. It's hard to even maintain a pun thread with 100 fewer
characters or less.

 
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Mark Roberts
Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Just for the record - I won't be there - hard enough to keep up here
Hope you joiners don't like it better than PDML and flee

It's very unlikely to offer any competition to the PDML. It's a very
different medium.

It's also unlikely to tolerate wildly off-topic digressions like this
place :)
 
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 6 Jun 2014, at 22:03, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 
 Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 Just for the record - I won't be there - hard enough to keep up here
 Hope you joiners don't like it better than PDML and flee
 
 It's very unlikely to offer any competition to the PDML. It's a very
 different medium.
 
 It's also unlikely to tolerate wildly off-topic digressions like this
 place :)
 

There's a topic?



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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
This whole forum is a digression, if not a regression.

Dan Matyola
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On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Bob W-PDML p...@web-options.com wrote:
 On 6 Jun 2014, at 22:03, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 Ann Sanfedele wrote:

 Just for the record - I won't be there - hard enough to keep up here
 Hope you joiners don't like it better than PDML and flee

 It's very unlikely to offer any competition to the PDML. It's a very
 different medium.

 It's also unlikely to tolerate wildly off-topic digressions like this
 place :)


 There's a topic?



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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Brian Walters

Quoting Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com:


Bob W-PDML wrote:


On 6 Jun 2014, at 19:03, Richard Womer rickpic...@gmail.com wrote:


What good is that?

It's hard to even maintain a pun thread with 100 characters or less.


Fewer...


Oh, all right. It's hard to even maintain a pun thread with 100 fewer
characters or less.



You forgot about Chris' split-infinitive:

It's hard even to maintain a pun thread even with 100 fewer characters  
or less, even.



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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 It's hard even to maintain a pun thread even with 100 fewer characters or
 less, even.

Well. at least you are even handed even.

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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Bill

On 06/06/2014 7:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
the PentaxForums web site.



It will attract the same people as is attracted to the two 
aforementioned web forums. If they discover us, it could be a disaster 
for the PDML.


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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Bill

On 06/06/2014 11:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Apparently only short questions (100 characters or less) are permitted.




If it takes more words than that, you should probably be asking more 
questions.

:)
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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread P.J. Alling
How could they like it better if you're not there.  Of course, I won't 
go there so maybe there's some kind of offset.


On 6/6/2014 4:52 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Just for the record - I won't be there - hard enough to keep up here
Hope you joiners don't like it better than PDML and flee

ann

On 6/6/2014 15:01, Stanley Halpin wrote:
Not so. You start with a short question. That becomes the 
header/title. Click continue et voila you have a large text box to 
detail your query to your heart’s content. Been there, done that. 
Don’t have the T-shirt yet (but Nico did give me a hat).


stan

On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Apparently only short questions (100 characters or less) are permitted.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Marco Alpert ma...@alpert.com wrote:

Me too, too.

m

On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I 
think
it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. 
That

might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
the PentaxForums web site.


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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread P.J. Alling

On 6/6/2014 7:17 PM, Bill wrote:

On 06/06/2014 7:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
the PentaxForums web site.



It will attract the same people as is attracted to the two 
aforementioned web forums. If they discover us, it could be a disaster 
for the PDML.


bill

IIRC the guy who started Pentax Fora joined the PDML to tout his new web 
endeavor.  He then disappeared from the PDML never to darken our gateway 
again.  I think that the existence of the Pentax Fora keeps us safe from 
the barbarian, (except for Bill), hordes.


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Re: Pentax/Ricoh web forum

2014-06-06 Thread Ann Sanfedele



On 6/6/2014 21:33, P.J. Alling wrote:

On 6/6/2014 7:17 PM, Bill wrote:

On 06/06/2014 7:38 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Ricoh has started up its own web forum for Pentax and Ricoh cameras:
http://community.us.ricoh-imaging.com/

It's very early days, so there isn't a lot of activity yet but I think
it be nice to start it off with some PDML regulars participating. That
might help raise it above the standard of DP Review's Pentax forum or
the PentaxForums web site.




It will attract the same people as is attracted to the two
aforementioned web forums. If they discover us, it could be a disaster
for the PDML.

bill


IIRC the guy who started Pentax Fora joined the PDML to tout his new web
endeavor.  He then disappeared from the PDML never to darken our gateway
again.  I think that the existence of the Pentax Fora keeps us safe from
the barbarian, (except for Bill), hordes.


...Night has fallen and the barbarians have not come,
  And now what will become of us without barbarians?
 They were some sort of a solution..
K. Kavafy

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