Re: HElp - Re Thunderbird.. UGH nevermind!

[ann sanfedele]

I hit something by accident that deleted my toolbar  all back now

On 9/19/2021 12:28 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:
suddenly my GET MESSAGES button has disappeared... and my WRITE button 
has too..


I can still see my mail if I go to my web mail but I need to ahve it 
on my computer..


anyone?

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Re: Fwd: Re: May PUG is up

[ann sanfedele]

ala - yes, my cats are not emaciated - but see my comment on another 
post about perception of allye ways :-)


ann

On 5/8/2020 11:49 AM, Alan C wrote:




 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: May PUG is up
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 16:15:22 +0200
From: Alan C 
To: Brian W 



Excellent shots all round but only a few fit my depraved idea of how 
an alleyway should look.


To me, an alley way is a run down, dangerous place with drunks, 
addicts, rubbish & emaciated alley cats in evidence. Nothing like that 
here but I've seen them in some of the cities.


Alan C

On 08-May-20 10:12 AM, Brian W wrote:

G'day all

Hope everyone is still Covid-19 free and keeping well.

View the May gallery here:

http://pug.komkon.org/

(you may need to refresh your browser if you see the previous gallery 
there).


Note: The automated submission process usually works well but it's not
infallible. So, if you made a submission and you don't see it in the 
gallery,

let me know.

+

Next up: 'Dry'.

Full Submissions Guidelines here:

http://pug.komkon.org/general/autosubmit.html

You can submit here:

http://pug.komkon.org/submit/

Cheers
Brian
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Re: Fwd: Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[lrc]

On October 30, 2019 1:02:08 PM PDT, Jos de Fotograaf  
wrote:
>
>
>Thanks Ralf,
>I have now a Nvidia Geforce GTX. I will dive in the options. Does it 
>mean that a laptop good for gaming would be good for LR?

Double check that Lightroom supports the GPU.

>Greetz, Jos
>
>On 10/29/2019 11:18 PM, Ralf R Radermacher wrote:
>> Am 28.10.19 um 21:58 schrieb Jos de Fotograaf:
>>
>>> I need a new laptop and want one that is faster on Lightroom
>processing
>>> than my present HP pavilion with i7 and SSD
>>
>> Look for a powerful graphics processor. Lightroom uses its number
>> crunching power while rendering thumbnails on import.
>>
>> I have a Mac Mini and a Macbook Pro, both with identical processors
>and
>> RAM sizes but the Macbook has a decent graphics processor. It runs
>> circles around the Mac Mini when I'm importing RAW files.
>>
>> Should be the same on Windoze systems.
>>
>> Ralf
>>
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>> Blog  : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com
>> Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf
>> Web   : http://www.fotoralf.de
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Re: Fwd: Re: Which laptop for Lightroom and how to test?

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 30.10.19 um 21:02 schrieb Jos de Fotograaf:


Does it
mean that a laptop good for gaming would be good for LR?


Most probably yes.

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Re: Fwd: Re: OT; An amazing find

[John]

Some of us are not on facebook.  8^)

On 10/13/2019 23:23:26, ann sanfedele wrote:

If you are friends with Paul on facebook you'd know what it is ;-)

and it is amazing

ann

On 10/13/2019 8:57 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Don't keep us in suspense...

On 10/13/2019 6:56 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

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Re: Fwd: Re: OT; An amazing find

[ann sanfedele]

If you are friends with Paul on facebook you'd know what it is ;-)

and it is amazing

ann

On 10/13/2019 8:57 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

Don't keep us in suspense...

On 10/13/2019 6:56 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

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Re: Fwd: Re: PESO - another Milkyway

[P. J. Alling]

My bad.


On 9/17/2018 11:50 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote on 9/17/18 7:06 PM:

I can't supply any nudes


Or at least any nudes that he would want to see.

but if you're willing to go with a zoom 28mm is available for the 
645.  Here's the information page from Ricoh.


http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/lens/645/wide/hdpentax-da645-28-45/ 



The lack was a *fast* wide lens. If you look at the image data his 
photo was shot at 28mm with a HD PENTAX-DA 645 28-45mm F4.5ED AW SR


So, I think he knows about that lens.





On 9/16/2018 7:49 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Jostein wrote on 9/15/18 6:13 PM:
Inspired by Larrys work, I wanted to explore the options with the 
645Z.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/44656069202/in/dateposted-public/ 








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Re: Fwd: Re: PESO - another Milkyway

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote on 9/17/18 7:06 PM:

I can't supply any nudes


Or at least any nudes that he would want to see.

but if you're willing to go with a zoom 28mm is 
available for the 645.  Here's the information page from Ricoh.


http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/lens/645/wide/hdpentax-da645-28-45/ 


The lack was a *fast* wide lens. If you look at the image data his photo 
was shot at 28mm with a HD PENTAX-DA 645 28-45mm F4.5ED AW SR


So, I think he knows about that lens.





On 9/16/2018 7:49 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Jostein wrote on 9/15/18 6:13 PM:

Inspired by Larrys work, I wanted to explore the options with the 645Z.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/44656069202/in/dateposted-public/





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Re: Fwd: Re: PESO - another Milkyway

[P. J. Alling]

I can't supply any nudes but if you're willing to go with a zoom 28mm is 
available for the 645.  Here's the information page from Ricoh.


http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/lens/645/wide/hdpentax-da645-28-45/


On 9/16/2018 7:49 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Jostein wrote on 9/15/18 6:13 PM:

Inspired by Larrys work, I wanted to explore the options with the 645Z.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/alunfoto/44656069202/in/dateposted-public/


Very nice.



With no large-aperture wide-angle for that system, the ISO must be 
stretched pretty far to make the dust lanes in the galaxy appear.


To get the same AoV of my 24 on the K-1 you'd need 36 on the 645Z. Do 
remember that the ones I posted were stitched panoramas. Interesting, 
I tried poking around on ebay  and the wide angle options seem to be 
35 f3.5 or 45mm f/2.8


https://www.ebay.com/sch/3323/i.html?_fsrp=1&_nkw=pentax+645+wide+angle&_sacat=3323&_from=R40=nc=Pentax 



KEH doesn't really show anything else
https://www.keh.com/shop/lenses/pentax-645-a--pentax-645-fa--pentax-67-.html?multi=true 



I'm rather surprised by this.



 From looking at Larrys shots, I believed the quality of the 
foreground would be the decisive factor for whether a result would be 
print worthy. 


It is my experience that photos of just the sky get very boring very 
quickly, even if it's an amazing image of the sunset, milky way etc. 
And as far as the night sky goes, there is nothing I can do that you 
can't download better versions of from the Hubble archives.  I always 
try to put something interesting in front of a pretty sky.


With that in mind, I took an extra long exposure at a lower ISO and 
smaller aperture to see if they could be combined effectively in post.
That turned out to be more finicky than I had hoped, even with no 
fluttering vegetation to move between or during exposures. Or maybe 
I'm just too tired to be efficient now (it's 3 am).


I haven't yet experimented much with lighting my subject on the ground 
when putting the sky in the background.


Here's one I did in Rhyolite outside of Death Valley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/11770425926/in/album-72157639425946344/ 



Anyway, I think the technique may have some merit for the right kind 
of foreground.


I'd like to try it with nudes, as has been observed a nude in the 
foreground can improve a photo with almost any background. There are 
some major depth of field challenges there. But I suppose that someone 
with focus stacking software could do two fifteen second exposures, 
with the foreground subject lit with a flash and one image focused on 
the foreground and the other focused on the background, and let the 
focus stacking software sort out which frame to grab which heavenly 
bodies from.





Sky exposed for 15 seconds at f/4.5 and ISO 12800.
Foreground exposed for 8 minutes at f/8 and ISO 800.
Tonal PP done in LR. Pasted the two together in photoshop.

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Re: Fwd: Re: PESO - another Milkyway

[Jostein]

Mark!

Den 17.09.2018 01:49, skrev Larry Colen:
I'd like to try it with nudes, as has been observed a nude in the 
foreground can improve a photo with almost any background. 


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Re: Re: Re:

[Paul Stenquist]

You don’t have a car? Maybe we should do a “go fund me!” :-)

Paul

> On Sep 5, 2018, at 8:21 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
> 
> Well, OK, just as long as you don't
> find it too much fun, Ann. :-)
> I'm a lazy carless typist...as you've
> witnessed.
> 
> J
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 4:06 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> Don't give me credit for that..
>> I didn't notice it until Mark took off on it - I was MARKing his remark - 
>> aspic, gel, etc..
>> 
>> I'd get caught more often that you if I didn't have spell check and a large 
>> keyboard  :-)
>> 
>> IT is fun though
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/5/2018 5:59 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>>> OK Ann...aspect ratio?
>>> That was exciting, huh?
>>> J
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 5, 2018, at 2:30 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
 
 Such excitement(?)
 Clue me please
 J
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Sep 5, 2018, at 12:40 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> oh god,  MARK mark :-)
> 
> ann
> 
>> On 9/5/2018 3:28 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> Jack Davis wrote:
>> 
>>> Also, the suggested slight crop at the
>>> top should essentially return the image to it's initial aspic ratio.
>> That should make things gel nicely.
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Re: Re: Re:

[Jack Davis]

Well, OK, just as long as you don't
find it too much fun, Ann. :-)
I'm a lazy carless typist...as you've
witnessed.

J


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2018, at 4:06 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> Don't give me credit for that..
> I didn't notice it until Mark took off on it - I was MARKing his remark - 
> aspic, gel, etc..
> 
> I'd get caught more often that you if I didn't have spell check and a large 
> keyboard  :-)
> 
> IT is fun though
> ann
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/5/2018 5:59 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> OK Ann...aspect ratio?
>> That was exciting, huh?
>> J
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2018, at 2:30 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Such excitement(?)
>>> Clue me please
>>> J
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 5, 2018, at 12:40 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
 
 oh god,  MARK mark :-)
 
 ann
 
> On 9/5/2018 3:28 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
> Jack Davis wrote:
> 
>> Also, the suggested slight crop at the
>> top should essentially return the image to it's initial aspic ratio.
> That should make things gel nicely.
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Re: Re: Re:

[ann sanfedele]

Don't give me credit for that..
I didn't notice it until Mark took off on it - I was MARKing his remark 
- aspic, gel, etc..


I'd get caught more often that you if I didn't have spell check and a 
large keyboard  :-)


IT is fun though
ann



On 9/5/2018 5:59 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

OK Ann...aspect ratio?
That was exciting, huh?
J

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 5, 2018, at 2:30 PM, Jack Davis  wrote:

Such excitement(?)
Clue me please
J

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 5, 2018, at 12:40 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

oh god,  MARK mark :-)

ann


On 9/5/2018 3:28 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Jack Davis wrote:


Also, the suggested slight crop at the
top should essentially return the image to it's initial aspic ratio.

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Re: Fw: :Re: Test: (for Brian)

[John]

They did the corporate version of "Have you tried unplugging it and plugging it 
back in again?" It's "fixed", but they haven't got a clue why.


On 5/23/2018 01:55, Alan C wrote:
My ISP said they did a "refresh" & everything is now back to normal but they 
won't (or can't?) say what the problem was.


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Re: Fw: :Re: Test: (for Brian)

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> On 23 May 2018 at 15:55 Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> My ISP said they did a "refresh" & everything is now back to normal but they 
> won't (or can't?) say what the problem was.


Sounds familiar.  Our main telco (Telstra) had a serious outage yesterday and
claim they don't know why.

Fortunately I wan't affected by that but I've just spent another day without
internet courtesy of the f***ed up system that is our National Broadband
Network.  It's an fing joke!


Cheers
Brian

> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Brian Walters
> Sent: 21 May, 2018 10:47 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: :Re: Test:
> 
> > On 22 May 2018 at 03:49 Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > I discovered the most amazing thing. If I put a colon (:) at the beginning 
> > &
> > end of the subject line, it sends just fine.
> 
> 
> Very strange indeed.  I have to ask - what made you decide to try that?  By
> design or by accident?
> 
> Cheers
> Brian
> 
> ++
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> 
> 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: Brian Walters
> > Sent: 21 May, 2018 1:35 PM
> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> > Subject: Re: Fw: Test
> >
> > Hmmm - don't think I can help.  I don't use Windows Live Mail.  For normal
> > email
> > I use Thunderbird but for the PDML I use my lyons-ryan domain's web mail 
> > so
> > that
> > list messages don't get mixed up with other mail.
> >
> > Perhaps there are others who might have a better insight into the issue.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Brian
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 21 May 2018 at 17:19 Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message- 
> > > From: Alan C
> > > Sent: 20 May, 2018 11:57 AM
> > > To: pdml@pdml.net
> > > Subject: Re: Test
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > > I'm having e-mail problems.
> > >
> > > I can send using Windows Live Mail which I've always used but the 
> > > e-mails
> > > just vanish.
> > >
> > > The one you replied to was send directly from Vox Telecoms Webmail, not
> > > from
> > > the normal user's @lantic.
> > >
> > > I did mostly receive the other PDML posts OK but none from Jack Davis or
> > > Ann
> > > Sanfedele (I have to access those from the Archives). I have missed a
> > > couple
> > > of Bank e-mails too.
> > >
> > > At one stage I found I could send OK if I removed or simplified the
> > > Subject
> > > line but now that does,'t work any more. I can't even send to myself.
> > >
> > > I have now set the Vox Webmail to not delete after sending or receiving
> > > via
> > > Live Mail which may throw some light on the problem.
> > >
> > > Perhaps you have some suggestions?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> > > ---
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Re: Fwd: Re: My phone

[Paul Sorenson]

Nothing here in Milwaukee.  Time for a phone upgrade.:-D

-p


On 5/18/2018 11:57 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Anyone else not receiving me?
May need a phone replacement(??)
Thanks!

J

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Thanks, Doug!
J

Sent from my iPhone


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No


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Re: Fwd: Re: My phone

[Jack Davis]

 OK, Bill. Thanks!
>I didn't think so.
 J


> On May 18, 2018 at 9:58 AM Bill  wrote:
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> 
> On 5/18/2018 10:57 AM, Jack Davis wrote:
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> > Thanks!
> 
> Nothing here.
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Re: Fwd: Re: My phone

[John]

I'm not seeing it here in Raleigh.

On 5/18/2018 12:57, Jack Davis wrote:

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Thanks!

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Thanks, Doug!
J

Sent from my iPhone


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No


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Re: Fwd: Re: My phone

[Bill]

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May need a phone replacement(??)
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Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: PESO Raptor Rapture

[ann sanfedele]

Larry -
does your birding friend have a wish list for specific flora? When we 
were traveling in the 80's up to '92 out west I took
careful notes as I was still submitting stuff to animals Animals/Earth 
Scenes and I have a few boxes of dups and rejects from them that have 
specific locations and species.  They had to be razor sharp and well 
ID'd.. and Ive
travelled somewhere in California alone in the 90's, 2002, 2005. anyway 
I may have  something I could contribute

as I'm sure you do too!

ann


On 2/27/2018 1:42 AM, Larry Colen wrote:
I asked a friend who is excellent at ID'ing local fauna about the 
bird. His comments are below, but it's definitely a redtail. RJ really 
enjoys ID'ing from photos, so I can put anyone who is interested in 
contact with him. I was thinking of introducing him and Jack because 
RJ is working on a project to get photos of 50 native plants and 50 
native animals from each of the counties in California.


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Subject: Re: Fwd: PESO Raptor Rapture
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 06:25:45 + (UTC)

To: Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com>




Hi Larry,

Definitely a Red-tailed Hawk (adult). At first I thought it was the pale
prairie subspecies often referred to as a "Krider's" Red-tailed Hawk,
but the extensive belly band and the tail with orange going all the way
to the base (rather than with an extensive whitish wash at the base and
orange only on the outer half), leaves me to think this is what is often
called a pale-morph Red-tailed Hawk. Red-tails are extremely variable
and can range from very pale like this one to almost entirely
chocolate-brown.

Fantastic photos - thanks for sharing them!
RJ
On Monday, February 26, 2018, 6:00:06 PM PST, Larry Colen
<l...@red4est.com> wrote:


RJ,

Could you help with an ID question?

thanks,
LRC

 Original Message 
Subject: PESO Raptor Rapture
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 16:28:12 -0500
From: Paul Stenquist <pnstenqu...@mac.com <mailto:pnstenqu...@mac.com>>
Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net <mailto:pdml@pdml.net>>
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <pdml@pdml.net <mailto:pdml@pdml.net>>

We don’t get many big brawny birds here in the heartland. But today a
hawk landed in a nearby spruce while I was shooting dinky sparrows and
chickadees. Not easy to identify him sitting in a tree, and at first I
thought it was Cooper’s Hawk.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4o9lnaof9xso1x0/8136.jpg?dl=0

But I got one throwaway shot of him in flight, and due to the wing
markings and the broad red tail, I think he’s a red-tailed hawk.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sdsvezmykexlqmu/8144.jpg?dl=0

What say you?



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Re: **JUNK** Re: GESO -- The Game.

[mike wilson]

> On 23 December 2017 at 12:43 Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> 
> That’s what happens when I type on my phone at 0-dark-30, 

Don't worry, Paul.  It was about as understandable as the rest of the thread.

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Re: **JUNK** Re: GESO -- The Game.

[Paul Stenquist]

That’s what happens when I type on my phone at 0-dark-30, Michigan and Harvard 
played 8 times beginning in 1891. They were 4-4. Michigan lists national 
championships for 1902, 03 and 04, among many others, but I think it was known 
as “Championship of the West” back then and didn’t include the Ivy League.

By the way, Michigan considers its game against Ohio State to be “the game,” 
although in truth the Michigan State game is a bigger deal in much of the home 
state, especially since MSU has been beating up on old blue in recent years.

Paul

> On Dec 23, 2017, at 6:14 AM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> The University of Chicago with A
> Is Alonzo Stagg was a national powerhouse from about 1897 to 1925. Michigan 
> gam was considered a. Consensus national champion s coupe of times in the 
> early 1900s. Don’t know if they played Ivy League teams.
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
>> 
>> Harvard-Yale was "The Game" decades before those other teams played top
>> level football.  The Ivy leagues dominated college football from 1869
>> through 1922.
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Stan Halpin 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I must admit that I grew up thinking that Cornell-Penn on thanksgiving
>>> weekend was The game. Then I learned about Purdue- Norte Dame. And
>>> Michigan-Michigan State is right up there. So Harvard-Yale didn’t
>>> immediately come to mind. Sorry!
>>> 
>>> stan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
 
 PJ, I enjoyed these. During my high school years I was an usher at the
>>> Yale Bowl, on the visitors’ side, 40th yard line or so. The crowd was more
>>> hostile than on the Yale side, but the tips were better, especially in wet
>>> weather (for which I was prepared with a towel to wipe the seats). Those
>>> were the days of Brian Dowling as QB and Calvin Hill as FB.
 
 I’m no longer a football fan, and even though I’m on the Penn faculty I
>>> feel no particular loyalty. Still, I enjoyed the pics!
 
 Rick
 
 
> On Dec 22, 2017, at 5:12 AM, P. J. Alling 
>>> wrote:
> 
> If you have to ask what game, well there's just no hope for you...
> 
> OK, so it's the Yale Harvard football classic, the one that was killing
>>> and maiming so many of America's best and brightest around of the turn of
>>> the 20th Century,  that President Theodore Roosevelt felt obliged to
>>> mediate, and thus the modern sport of Football, (American, and it's Younger
>>> Canadian brother), was born.
> 
> So no one cares and the Ivy league hasn't been the cutting edge of
>>> Football since sometime in the 1930's, but Yale and Harvard still take it
>>> seriously.
> 
> For the rest of us it's a good excuse for a cookout in miserable cold
>>> fall weather, often rainy or like this year threatening to rain anyway.
> 
> The last few years have been disappointing for Yale fans but this
>>> year,  Yale handed the Harvard team their heads after bouncing them down
>>> the field a bit.
> 
> I took almost 200 images but rather than bore everyone I've put
>>> together a representative sample of what happened with great regularity and
>>> a couple of shots of tailgaters having way too much fun, for probably the
>>> wrong reasons.
> 
> https://pdml.updog.co/thegame2017/GESO%20--%20thegame.html
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Re: **JUNK** Re: GESO -- The Game.

[Paul Stenquist]

The University of Chicago with A
Is Alonzo Stagg was a national powerhouse from about 1897 to 1925. Michigan gam 
was considered a. Consensus national champion s coupe of times in the early 
1900s. Don’t know if they played Ivy League teams.

Paul

> On Dec 22, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> Harvard-Yale was "The Game" decades before those other teams played top
> level football.  The Ivy leagues dominated college football from 1869
> through 1922.
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Stan Halpin 
> wrote:
> 
>> I must admit that I grew up thinking that Cornell-Penn on thanksgiving
>> weekend was The game. Then I learned about Purdue- Norte Dame. And
>> Michigan-Michigan State is right up there. So Harvard-Yale didn’t
>> immediately come to mind. Sorry!
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 22, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> PJ, I enjoyed these. During my high school years I was an usher at the
>> Yale Bowl, on the visitors’ side, 40th yard line or so. The crowd was more
>> hostile than on the Yale side, but the tips were better, especially in wet
>> weather (for which I was prepared with a towel to wipe the seats). Those
>> were the days of Brian Dowling as QB and Calvin Hill as FB.
>>> 
>>> I’m no longer a football fan, and even though I’m on the Penn faculty I
>> feel no particular loyalty. Still, I enjoyed the pics!
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 22, 2017, at 5:12 AM, P. J. Alling 
>> wrote:
 
 If you have to ask what game, well there's just no hope for you...
 
 OK, so it's the Yale Harvard football classic, the one that was killing
>> and maiming so many of America's best and brightest around of the turn of
>> the 20th Century,  that President Theodore Roosevelt felt obliged to
>> mediate, and thus the modern sport of Football, (American, and it's Younger
>> Canadian brother), was born.
 
 So no one cares and the Ivy league hasn't been the cutting edge of
>> Football since sometime in the 1930's, but Yale and Harvard still take it
>> seriously.
 
 For the rest of us it's a good excuse for a cookout in miserable cold
>> fall weather, often rainy or like this year threatening to rain anyway.
 
 The last few years have been disappointing for Yale fans but this
>> year,  Yale handed the Harvard team their heads after bouncing them down
>> the field a bit.
 
 I took almost 200 images but rather than bore everyone I've put
>> together a representative sample of what happened with great regularity and
>> a couple of shots of tailgaters having way too much fun, for probably the
>> wrong reasons.
 
 https://pdml.updog.co/thegame2017/GESO%20--%20thegame.html
 
 Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/Kalamare 500mm MC Mirror f8.0 or SMC Pentax F
>> 70-210mm f4.0~5.6
 
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Re: **JUNK** Re: GESO -- The Game.

[P. J. Alling]

I'm not sure if your email client thinks that my post was junk or my 
client thinks your post was junk.


I'm not surprised, the Yale Harvard game hasn't been "The Game" to 
anyone not somehow connected to either school for about 80 years.



On 12/22/2017 5:41 PM, Stan Halpin wrote:

I must admit that I grew up thinking that Cornell-Penn on thanksgiving weekend 
was The game. Then I learned about Purdue- Norte Dame. And Michigan-Michigan 
State is right up there. So Harvard-Yale didn’t immediately come to mind. Sorry!

stan

Sent from my iPad


On Dec 22, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:

PJ, I enjoyed these. During my high school years I was an usher at the Yale 
Bowl, on the visitors’ side, 40th yard line or so. The crowd was more hostile 
than on the Yale side, but the tips were better, especially in wet weather (for 
which I was prepared with a towel to wipe the seats). Those were the days of 
Brian Dowling as QB and Calvin Hill as FB.

I’m no longer a football fan, and even though I’m on the Penn faculty I feel no 
particular loyalty. Still, I enjoyed the pics!

Rick



On Dec 22, 2017, at 5:12 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:

If you have to ask what game, well there's just no hope for you...

OK, so it's the Yale Harvard football classic, the one that was killing and 
maiming so many of America's best and brightest around of the turn of the 20th 
Century,  that President Theodore Roosevelt felt obliged to mediate, and thus 
the modern sport of Football, (American, and it's Younger Canadian brother), 
was born.

So no one cares and the Ivy league hasn't been the cutting edge of Football 
since sometime in the 1930's, but Yale and Harvard still take it seriously.

For the rest of us it's a good excuse for a cookout in miserable cold fall 
weather, often rainy or like this year threatening to rain anyway.

The last few years have been disappointing for Yale fans but this year,  Yale 
handed the Harvard team their heads after bouncing them down the field a bit.

I took almost 200 images but rather than bore everyone I've put together a 
representative sample of what happened with great regularity and a couple of 
shots of tailgaters having way too much fun, for probably the wrong reasons.

https://pdml.updog.co/thegame2017/GESO%20--%20thegame.html

Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/Kalamare 500mm MC Mirror f8.0 or SMC Pentax F 
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Re: **JUNK** Re: GESO -- The Game.

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Harvard-Yale was "The Game" decades before those other teams played top
level football.  The Ivy leagues dominated college football from 1869
through 1922.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Stan Halpin 
wrote:

> I must admit that I grew up thinking that Cornell-Penn on thanksgiving
> weekend was The game. Then I learned about Purdue- Norte Dame. And
> Michigan-Michigan State is right up there. So Harvard-Yale didn’t
> immediately come to mind. Sorry!
>
> stan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Dec 22, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> >
> > PJ, I enjoyed these. During my high school years I was an usher at the
> Yale Bowl, on the visitors’ side, 40th yard line or so. The crowd was more
> hostile than on the Yale side, but the tips were better, especially in wet
> weather (for which I was prepared with a towel to wipe the seats). Those
> were the days of Brian Dowling as QB and Calvin Hill as FB.
> >
> > I’m no longer a football fan, and even though I’m on the Penn faculty I
> feel no particular loyalty. Still, I enjoyed the pics!
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >> On Dec 22, 2017, at 5:12 AM, P. J. Alling 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> If you have to ask what game, well there's just no hope for you...
> >>
> >> OK, so it's the Yale Harvard football classic, the one that was killing
> and maiming so many of America's best and brightest around of the turn of
> the 20th Century,  that President Theodore Roosevelt felt obliged to
> mediate, and thus the modern sport of Football, (American, and it's Younger
> Canadian brother), was born.
> >>
> >> So no one cares and the Ivy league hasn't been the cutting edge of
> Football since sometime in the 1930's, but Yale and Harvard still take it
> seriously.
> >>
> >> For the rest of us it's a good excuse for a cookout in miserable cold
> fall weather, often rainy or like this year threatening to rain anyway.
> >>
> >> The last few years have been disappointing for Yale fans but this
> year,  Yale handed the Harvard team their heads after bouncing them down
> the field a bit.
> >>
> >> I took almost 200 images but rather than bore everyone I've put
> together a representative sample of what happened with great regularity and
> a couple of shots of tailgaters having way too much fun, for probably the
> wrong reasons.
> >>
> >> https://pdml.updog.co/thegame2017/GESO%20--%20thegame.html
> >>
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Re: **JUNK** Re: GESO -- The Game.

[Stan Halpin]

I must admit that I grew up thinking that Cornell-Penn on thanksgiving weekend 
was The game. Then I learned about Purdue- Norte Dame. And Michigan-Michigan 
State is right up there. So Harvard-Yale didn’t immediately come to mind. Sorry!

stan

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 22, 2017, at 2:56 PM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> 
> PJ, I enjoyed these. During my high school years I was an usher at the Yale 
> Bowl, on the visitors’ side, 40th yard line or so. The crowd was more hostile 
> than on the Yale side, but the tips were better, especially in wet weather 
> (for which I was prepared with a towel to wipe the seats). Those were the 
> days of Brian Dowling as QB and Calvin Hill as FB.
> 
> I’m no longer a football fan, and even though I’m on the Penn faculty I feel 
> no particular loyalty. Still, I enjoyed the pics!
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2017, at 5:12 AM, P. J. Alling  wrote:
>> 
>> If you have to ask what game, well there's just no hope for you...
>> 
>> OK, so it's the Yale Harvard football classic, the one that was killing and 
>> maiming so many of America's best and brightest around of the turn of the 
>> 20th Century,  that President Theodore Roosevelt felt obliged to mediate, 
>> and thus the modern sport of Football, (American, and it's Younger Canadian 
>> brother), was born.
>> 
>> So no one cares and the Ivy league hasn't been the cutting edge of Football 
>> since sometime in the 1930's, but Yale and Harvard still take it seriously.
>> 
>> For the rest of us it's a good excuse for a cookout in miserable cold fall 
>> weather, often rainy or like this year threatening to rain anyway.
>> 
>> The last few years have been disappointing for Yale fans but this year,  
>> Yale handed the Harvard team their heads after bouncing them down the field 
>> a bit.
>> 
>> I took almost 200 images but rather than bore everyone I've put together a 
>> representative sample of what happened with great regularity and a couple of 
>> shots of tailgaters having way too much fun, for probably the wrong reasons.
>> 
>> https://pdml.updog.co/thegame2017/GESO%20--%20thegame.html
>> 
>> Equipment: Pentax K-5II w/Kalamare 500mm MC Mirror f8.0 or SMC Pentax F 
>> 70-210mm f4.0~5.6
>> 
>> As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
>> 
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Re: Fw: Re: 1 Tb SSDs $258 at Other World Computing

[John Francis]

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 07:55:54PM -0500, Ken Waller wrote:
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: 1 Tb SSDs $258 at Other World Computing
> 
> 
> Oops, I thought what I bought was an SSD device, but upon checking I find it 
> is not - I stand corrected. Still very cheap for 1 TB of storage and I really 
> have no issue with with the speed.

Not all that cheap - 1TB drives start at around $50 - $60 nowadays; 2TB around 
$20 more,
and 4TB $30 above that.

That's for external drives in a USB3.0 enclosure; internal drives are slightly 
cheaper
(except that, strangely, the cheapes 4TB internal drive I found cost $120).

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Re: Question re Xfif data from K3

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I'm pretty sure that the name of the Camera is in a standard location, 
or has a standard tag, (not sure how the standard part of EXIF is 
implemented, and not curious enough to find out), in plain text.  A lot 
of other information is just number, maybe numbers and letter, strings 
associated with a tag, that require a lookup table.



On 9/25/2017 11:49 AM, Ken Waller wrote:

Thanks P.J.

The only fly in that thinking is that CS@ does recognize the camera as 
a K3.


CS2 does all the things I need Photoshop to do.

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- Original Message - From: "P. J. Alling" 
<webstertwenty...@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Question re Xfif data from K3


I'm using CS2 as well, I don't think that CS2 recognizes any new 
makers information that was added after it's last official update. 
The fields are there but that version doesn't know how to interpret 
them. I have a similar issue with CS2 and the K-5II. It's not 
annoying enough that I want to upgrade to a version of Photoshop 
that's up to date with all of the cameras EXIF information.



On 9/21/2017 3:06 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
I'm converting a group of RAW captures I took with my K3 and used 
several shutter modes - multiple exposure, time delay etc and am 
noticing the Exif data doesn't reflect those different capture 
modes. Am I missing something?

I'm using Photoshop CS2.

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Re: Question re Xfif data from K3

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Thanks P.J.

The only fly in that thinking is that CS@ does recognize the camera as a K3.

CS2 does all the things I need Photoshop to do.

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- Original Message - 
From: "P. J. Alling" <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Question re Xfif data from K3


I'm using CS2 as well, I don't think that CS2 recognizes any new makers 
information that was added after it's last official update. The fields are 
there but that version doesn't know how to interpret them. I have a 
similar issue with CS2 and the K-5II. It's not annoying enough that I want 
to upgrade to a version of Photoshop that's up to date with all of the 
cameras EXIF information.



On 9/21/2017 3:06 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
I'm converting a group of RAW captures I took with my K3 and used several 
shutter modes - multiple exposure, time delay etc and am noticing the 
Exif data doesn't reflect those different capture modes. Am I missing 
something?

I'm using Photoshop CS2.

Kenneth Waller
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Re: Question re Xfif data from K3

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I'm using CS2 as well, I don't think that CS2 recognizes any new makers 
information that was added after it's last official update.  The fields 
are there but that version doesn't know how to interpret them.   I have 
a similar issue with CS2 and the K-5II. It's not annoying enough that I 
want to upgrade to a version of Photoshop that's up to date with all of 
the cameras EXIF information.



On 9/21/2017 3:06 PM, Ken Waller wrote:
I'm converting a group of RAW captures I took with my K3 and used 
several shutter modes - multiple exposure, time delay etc and am 
noticing the Exif data doesn't reflect those different capture modes. 
Am I missing something?

I'm using Photoshop CS2.

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Re: Question re Xfif data from K3

[Ken Waller]

Thanks Igor, I appreciate the response.
So I guess the next question is has anybody with a K3 or later Pentax 
noticed shutter information re- multiple exposure or time delay etc. in the 
Exif data?


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- Original Message - 
From: "Igor PDML-StR" <pdml...@komkon.org>

Subject: Re: Question re Xfif data from K3




It's been a while since I've looked at the details of EXIF, but IRC, the 
information about the shutter modes is written in the "Makernote" field

(if it is written).
The format of that field is brand-dependent, and probably 
camera-dependent. What I mean by the latter, is that it probably gets 
changed in the more recent cameras.
In some (many?) cases its format is not even published by the 
manufacturer, but rather reverse-engineered by software developers.


CS2 is ancient (nothing wrong if it works for you), so, most likely it's 
just unaware of the K-3's Makernote format and cannot decipher it 
properly.


Igor


Ken Waller Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:31:55 -0700 wrpte:

I'm converting a group of RAW captures I took with my K3 and used several 
shutter modes - multiple exposure, time delay etc and am noticing the Exif 
data doesn't reflect those different capture modes. Am I missing 
something?


I'm using Photoshop CS2.

Kenneth Waller



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Re: Question re Xfif data from K3

[Igor PDML-StR]

It's been a while since I've looked at the details of EXIF, but IRC, the 
information about the shutter modes is written in the "Makernote" field

(if it is written).
The format of that field is brand-dependent, and probably 
camera-dependent. What I mean by the latter, is that it probably gets 
changed in the more recent cameras.
In some (many?) cases its format is not even published by the 
manufacturer, but rather reverse-engineered by software developers.


CS2 is ancient (nothing wrong if it works for you), so, most likely it's 
just unaware of the K-3's Makernote format and cannot decipher it 
properly.


Igor


Ken Waller Thu, 21 Sep 2017 14:31:55 -0700 wrpte:

I'm converting a group of RAW captures I took with my K3 and used several 
shutter modes - multiple exposure, time delay etc and am noticing the Exif 
data doesn't reflect those different capture modes. Am I missing 
something?


I'm using Photoshop CS2.

Kenneth Waller




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Re: Subject: Re: Inexpensive Pentax AC adapter

[Zos Xavius]

Most AC adapters are pretty safe to use. Until they die, but at least
more often than not they only kill themselves.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Bipin Gupta  wrote:
> One hears these adages quite often like "You pay what you get for", "Cheap" 
> etc.
> Is it true?? NOT for the smart guy - or call him frugal, Mr. Scrooge
> if you wish.
> Cheap need not mean it will damage your camera or fail.
>
> So here is what I did. Bought a German Hama SMPS Multi Volt Adapter for $12
> on sale from Media Mart while in Cologne, Germany.
> SMPS (switched mode power supply units) are one of the safest circuitry used 
> in
> digital equipment & electronics. This one had a 3-way safety circuit.
>
> Bought the Connector Pentax uses for $ 2.40 each - called the Male Hirose 
> 3-pin
> MQ172-3SA Plug. God alone knows why Pentax uses obscure stuff and not
> simple Japanese Standard Connectors.
>
> Soldered two thick copper pins which plugs into the Universal Socket of the 
> Hama
> Adapter. Works great on my Pentax DSLRs.
>
> Note: wiring the Hirose connector - the center pin is a dummy, the Ground pin 
> is
> top most one viewed with the plug inserted into the camera. The 8.3 volt pin 
> is
> the bottom most one.
>
> Regards.
> Bipin
> camp: Belmont, CA.
>
> Amateurs worry about equipment, professionals about time & masters
> worry about light.
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Re: Fwd: Re: PESO - Posed ant

[Jostein]

Thanks Mark!
Jostein

Den 01.07.2017 16.39, skrev Mark C:


This and the other one are both superb. Great work!

Mark

On 6/26/2017 7:09 PM, Jostein wrote:

http://www.alunfoto.no/innhold/liten-jeg/


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Re: Fwd: Re: PESO - Red wood ant

[Jostein]

Glad to hear, Ann!
With your stated scepticism towards bugs and all. :-)
Jostein

Den 30.06.2017 05.56, skrev ann sanfedele:


oh that's definitely a keeper... love it!

ann

On 6/29/2017 8:08 PM, Jostein wrote:

http://www.alunfoto.no/bloggposter/2017/06/formica/

Continuing my foray into entomology. A dead insect this time too. 
Meticulously prepped and arranged. Getting the legs and antennae right 
definitely counts as fiddly bits.


Shot with 645D, FA 200/4 and reversed A 55/2.8 (almost 4X). Stacked 
from a pile of shots. ~180, iirc.


Jostein






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Re: Fwd: Re: Peso-Blowing Bubbles

[Marnie (aka Doe)]

Nice shot. Funny too.

Marnie aka Doe

On 6/26/2017 7:40 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

On 6/26/2017 6:56 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Shot at Gray Lodge Wildlife Area a few years ago.

https://www.photo.net/photo/18402568/

J


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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

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On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 2:24 PM, Toralf Lund  wrote:

> OMG. That should read, "more *notorious*". Spell-checker didn't agree,


Spellcheck knows what is best for you>

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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Toralf Lund]

On 23/06/17 20:20, Toralf Lund wrote:

On 23/06/17 20:01, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 03:00:18PM +0200, Toralf Lund wrote:

  On 22/06/17 22:40, P. J. Alling wrote:

It looks like a developer on the Thunderbird team needs to have his 
left
arm ripped off, so that I can beat him about the head and shoulders 
with

it.


Note that the part of the message I quote above only indicates one 
level of
quoting - Toralf's original post simply quoted P.J.'s post inline, 
with no

way to differentiate it from any other non-quoted part of the message.

I've seen the same thing on one of Ann's posts, too.

Is this yet another example of a mail client ignoring mandated 
behaviour?
I think it isn't in this case, but that things get mixed up by mistake 
if you hit delete at the wrong spot, or something. I didn't really 
notice it happening in that message...


M$ Outlook is more notion's when it comes to quoting behaviour, or the 
lack thereof, isn't it?
OMG. That should read, "more *notorious*". Spell-checker didn't agree, 
though.


- T



- Toralf











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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Toralf Lund]

On 23/06/17 20:01, John Francis wrote:

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 03:00:18PM +0200, Toralf Lund wrote:

  On 22/06/17 22:40, P. J. Alling wrote:

It looks like a developer on the Thunderbird team needs to have his left
arm ripped off, so that I can beat him about the head and shoulders with
it.


Note that the part of the message I quote above only indicates one level of
quoting - Toralf's original post simply quoted P.J.'s post inline, with no
way to differentiate it from any other non-quoted part of the message.

I've seen the same thing on one of Ann's posts, too.

Is this yet another example of a mail client ignoring mandated behaviour?
I think it isn't in this case, but that things get mixed up by mistake 
if you hit delete at the wrong spot, or something. I didn't really 
notice it happening in that message...


M$ Outlook is more notion's when it comes to quoting behaviour, or the 
lack thereof, isn't it?


- Toralf









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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[John Francis]

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 03:00:18PM +0200, Toralf Lund wrote:
>  On 22/06/17 22:40, P. J. Alling wrote:
> 
> It looks like a developer on the Thunderbird team needs to have his left
> arm ripped off, so that I can beat him about the head and shoulders with
> it.


Note that the part of the message I quote above only indicates one level of
quoting - Toralf's original post simply quoted P.J.'s post inline, with no
way to differentiate it from any other non-quoted part of the message.

I've seen the same thing on one of Ann's posts, too.

Is this yet another example of a mail client ignoring mandated behaviour?


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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Zos Xavius]

I heard some good news today. I'm not in a position to offer details
but we should in the next few months have a clear indication that
Ricoh is not giving up the ship anytime soon

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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Toralf Lund]

 On 22/06/17 22:40, P. J. Alling wrote:

It looks like a developer on the Thunderbird team needs to have his left
arm ripped off, so that I can beat him about the head and shoulders with
it.

Changing mandated mandated behavior of a system. on a whim to "fix"
behavior that no one really complained about, then deciding come hell or
high water that he's right while users scream at him is worse than a sin.

No truly successful organization that I've ever worked for would have let
me get away with that, even if I were right, and this a$$hat is so
obviously wrong, he seems to be wearing his a$$ as  a balaclava.

I know that using the word ass won't get this post banned from the PDML but
I think spelling it with dollar sighs is amusing.

:-)

Nicely summarised, anyhow.

I'll try to keep away from that bug report from now on, as accessing it
can't possibly be good for my blood pressure.

- Toralf



On 6/22/2017 2:53 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:

  On 21/06/17 18:00, P. J. Alling wrote:

Dammit, there was a recent update to Firefox, and the didn't fix the reply
button.   A!.

It seems like one of the Mozilla developers has decided to be one way about
this. Perhaps it would help if more people complained. See

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1309486


- Toralf




 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:51:08 -0400
From: P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
<webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
<webstertwenty...@gmail.com> <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com> <zosxav...@gmail.com>
<zosxav...@gmail.com> <zosxav...@gmail.com>



The universe is dmed.  Ultimate heat death in only 20 billion
years or so.*

*Your mileage may vary depending on the actual variation of the theory
you ascribe to.


On 6/20/2017 10:46 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Pentax is domed!
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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[P. J. Alling]

Thanks Toralf, that suggestion makes the change almost palatable.   
You're right.  The actual behavior is still wrong, but until the current 
lead on the bug fix either is fired, quits, retires or or dies, I expect 
that the change in reply to behavior will stay.   Because some people 
are incapable of admitting they are ever wrong.



On 6/22/2017 12:44 PM, Toralf Lund wrote:

On 21/06/17 19:53, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


P.J.,

It would be REALLY strange if the update to Firefox would fix 
whatever problems you are having with Thunderbird...


;-)

On a serious note, speaking of that "reply"-button problem, - have 
you (and everybody else on the list who suffers from it) submitted a 
bug report on it?

If not, - you should.
As I sort of said elsewhere, I did. Unfortunately, the report got 
marked as a duplicate of another issue (which I didn't notice when 
searching), and that issue is marked as WONTFIX. But I'm still shouting.



1. They might not be aware of it.
2. They might not think that change was a problem...
Part of the issue seems to be that one of the developers behind the 
change has decided that it's not a problem, no matter how many people 
say that it is in fact a problem.


3. The priority of the problem fixing is decided by the overall 
loudness (hence the number) of complaints.

... but even some loudness might still help, perhaps...

Meanwhile, I found that the situation gets a little better if you

1. Right-click on the header in the message view and select 
"Customise..."

2. Drag the button marked "Reply" from the main window to the
   "Customise Toolbar" window (so as to remove it from the view.)
3. Press Done in the window I just mentioned.

The message view will then only have a "Smart reply" button which 
alternates between "Reply", "Reply All" and "Reply List" depending on 
the context. (Note that the behaviour changes compared to when you 
also have the "normal" "Reply" button, because then the "Smart Reply" 
then hides itself in some cases.)


Actually, the situation might be acceptable if you could also add 
"Smart reply" to the main tool-bar and have a keyboard short-cut for 
it. There are bug reports related to this, too, but they're not 
exactly new, so there is a question of whether the issues will ever be 
addressed.


I still think the "Reply" implementation is wrong in principle, though...

- Toralf



Igor


P. J. Alling Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:02:46 -0700 wrote:

Dammit, there was a recent update to Firefox, and the didn't fix the 
reply button. A!.




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Subject:Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh
Date:   Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:51:08 -0400
From:   P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com>



The universe is dmed.  Ultimate heat death in only 20 billion
years or so.*

*Your mileage may vary depending on the actual variation of the theory
you ascribe to.


On 6/20/2017 10:46 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Pentax is domed!








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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[P. J. Alling]

It looks like a developer on the Thunderbird team needs to have his left 
arm ripped off, so that I can beat him about the head and shoulders with 
it.


Changing mandated mandated behavior of a system. on a whim to "fix" 
behavior that no one really complained about, then deciding come hell or 
high water that he's right while users scream at him is worse than a sin.


No truly successful organization that I've ever worked for would have 
let me get away with that, even if I were right, and this a$$hat is so 
obviously wrong, he seems to be wearing his a$$ as  a balaclava.


I know that using the word ass won't get this post banned from the PDML 
but I think spelling it with dollar sighs is amusing.



On 6/22/2017 2:53 AM, Toralf Lund wrote:

  On 21/06/17 18:00, P. J. Alling wrote:

Dammit, there was a recent update to Firefox, and the didn't fix the reply
button.   A!.

It seems like one of the Mozilla developers has decided to be one way about
this. Perhaps it would help if more people complained. See

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1309486


- Toralf




 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:51:08 -0400
From: P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
<webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com> <zosxav...@gmail.com>



The universe is dmed.  Ultimate heat death in only 20 billion
years or so.*

*Your mileage may vary depending on the actual variation of the theory
you ascribe to.


On 6/20/2017 10:46 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Pentax is domed!



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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Toralf Lund]

On 21/06/17 19:53, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


P.J.,

It would be REALLY strange if the update to Firefox would fix whatever 
problems you are having with Thunderbird...


;-)

On a serious note, speaking of that "reply"-button problem, - have you 
(and everybody else on the list who suffers from it) submitted a bug 
report on it?

If not, - you should.
As I sort of said elsewhere, I did. Unfortunately, the report got marked 
as a duplicate of another issue (which I didn't notice when searching), 
and that issue is marked as WONTFIX. But I'm still shouting.



1. They might not be aware of it.
2. They might not think that change was a problem...
Part of the issue seems to be that one of the developers behind the 
change has decided that it's not a problem, no matter how many people 
say that it is in fact a problem.


3. The priority of the problem fixing is decided by the overall 
loudness (hence the number) of complaints.

... but even some loudness might still help, perhaps...

Meanwhile, I found that the situation gets a little better if you

1. Right-click on the header in the message view and select "Customise..."
2. Drag the button marked "Reply" from the main window to the
   "Customise Toolbar" window (so as to remove it from the view.)
3. Press Done in the window I just mentioned.

The message view will then only have a "Smart reply" button which 
alternates between "Reply", "Reply All" and "Reply List" depending on 
the context. (Note that the behaviour changes compared to when you also 
have the "normal" "Reply" button, because then the "Smart Reply" then 
hides itself in some cases.)


Actually, the situation might be acceptable if you could also add "Smart 
reply" to the main tool-bar and have a keyboard short-cut for it. There 
are bug reports related to this, too, but they're not exactly new, so 
there is a question of whether the issues will ever be addressed.


I still think the "Reply" implementation is wrong in principle, though...

- Toralf



Igor


P. J. Alling Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:02:46 -0700 wrote:

Dammit, there was a recent update to Firefox, and the didn't fix the 
reply button. A!.




 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh
Date:   Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:51:08 -0400
From:   P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com>



The universe is dmed.  Ultimate heat death in only 20 billion
years or so.*

*Your mileage may vary depending on the actual variation of the theory
you ascribe to.


On 6/20/2017 10:46 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Pentax is domed!





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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Darren Addy]

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:10 PM, John  wrote:
> They were once both components of Netscape Navigator, but
> that was a few years back.

that was a few decades back.

There FTFY. (Time flies when you are having fun!)
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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[Toralf Lund]

 On 21/06/17 18:00, P. J. Alling wrote:

Dammit, there was a recent update to Firefox, and the didn't fix the reply
button.   A!.

It seems like one of the Mozilla developers has decided to be one way about
this. Perhaps it would help if more people complained. See

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1309486


- Toralf




 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:51:08 -0400
From: P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
<webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com> <zosxav...@gmail.com>



The universe is dmed.  Ultimate heat death in only 20 billion
years or so.*

*Your mileage may vary depending on the actual variation of the theory
you ascribe to.


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Pentax is domed!
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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[John]

They were once both components of Netscape Navigator, but
that was a few years back.

On 6/21/2017 15:13, P. J. Alling wrote:

Firefox Thunderbird, all the same, amiright?

I checked the Thunderbird fora and it seems they're aware of the issue.

The problem with submitting a bug report to Bugzilla, is that I'd have
to register.  I try to have as little online presence with "real" data
as possible.  Bad enough I have accounts with a number of on line
retailers.


On 6/21/2017 1:53 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


P.J.,

It would be REALLY strange if the update to Firefox would fix whatever
problems you are having with Thunderbird...

;-)

On a serious note, speaking of that "reply"-button problem, - have you
(and everybody else on the list who suffers from it) submitted a bug
report on it?
If not, - you should.
1. They might not be aware of it.
2. They might not think that change was a problem...
3. The priority of the problem fixing is decided by the overall
loudness (hence the number) of complaints.

Igor


P. J. Alling Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:02:46 -0700 wrote:

Dammit, there was a recent update to Firefox, and the didn't fix the
reply button. A!.



 Forwarded Message ----
Subject:Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh
Date:   Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:51:08 -0400
From:   P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com>



The universe is dmed.  Ultimate heat death in only 20 billion
years or so.*

*Your mileage may vary depending on the actual variation of the theory
you ascribe to.


On 6/20/2017 10:46 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Pentax is domed!








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Re: Fwd: Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh

[P. J. Alling]

Firefox Thunderbird, all the same, amiright?

I checked the Thunderbird fora and it seems they're aware of the issue.

The problem with submitting a bug report to Bugzilla, is that I'd have 
to register.  I try to have as little online presence with "real" data 
as possible.  Bad enough I have accounts with a number of on line retailers.



On 6/21/2017 1:53 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


P.J.,

It would be REALLY strange if the update to Firefox would fix whatever 
problems you are having with Thunderbird...


;-)

On a serious note, speaking of that "reply"-button problem, - have you 
(and everybody else on the list who suffers from it) submitted a bug 
report on it?

If not, - you should.
1. They might not be aware of it.
2. They might not think that change was a problem...
3. The priority of the problem fixing is decided by the overall 
loudness (hence the number) of complaints.


Igor


P. J. Alling Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:02:46 -0700 wrote:

Dammit, there was a recent update to Firefox, and the didn't fix the 
reply button. A!.




 Forwarded Message ----
Subject:Re: More news of trouble at Ricoh
Date:   Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:51:08 -0400
From:   P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Zos Xavius <zosxav...@gmail.com>



The universe is dmed.  Ultimate heat death in only 20 billion
years or so.*

*Your mileage may vary depending on the actual variation of the theory
you ascribe to.


On 6/20/2017 10:46 PM, Zos Xavius wrote:

Pentax is domed!






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Re: Fwd: Re: Dos PESOS - "available seating" and "a real page turner"

[ann sanfedele]

aarrgh!  thanks for forwarding, Larry   - it's a crap shoot - sometimes 
I remember.. sometimes not.


ann

On 6/18/2017 8:19 PM, Larry Colen wrote:


Ann still seems to have not made peace with Thunderbird.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: Dos PESOS - "available seating" and "a real page turner"
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 19:56:23 -0400
From: ann sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com>
To: Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com>

Thanks Dan and Larry,

Re the book - this was near where a street vendor is usually parked with
books galore spread out on a couple of large tables...  This is at the
corner St Marks and 2nd ave...

In my neighborhood, at least, there are still lots of books around - ust
not so many in brick and mortar stores

ann


On 6/18/2017 7:37 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
I really like "Page Turner."  Not often one seems real books in the 
wild

these days.


Agreed. The first is nice, but the composition is rather static.



Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:14 AM, ann sanfedele<ann...@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:


Ok - I got two more shots from my one day outing... just stuff that
interested me
K5 and kit lens  both somewhat cropped - but not radically 
straightened

the first one a bit.

Available seating on 59th st

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-2Qnx6SV/L 




Page turner (not I, but the wind)   On St. Mark's Place - the one Rick
likes

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-fq8h65t/L 




I just grabbed that and kept walking - should have stopped to see
what it
was.

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Re: Fwd: Re: Peso: a photo from yesterday

[Larry Colen]

Chiming in with everyone else, that it is indeed a nice photo.


PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com wrote:

Yeah I could see someone getting sue happy cause one of them fell on
them. My mom once bumped into one at a store and apologized to it
thinking at first she had bumped into a real person.


Damn, I'm way too vanilla, I didn't even notice the chains in the photo.






 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: Peso: a photo from yesterday
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 21:59:09 -0400
From: ann sanfedele <ann...@nyc.rr.com>
To: PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com <jefferyjohn...@photocapturesbyjeffery.com>



Thanks, Jeff..

In all seriousness, I'd say a mixture of keeping the mannequins from
falling on a passerby and getting swiped.

ann

On 6/15/2017 9:39 PM, PhotoCapturesbyJeffery.com wrote:

Very nice Ann. Sometimes one doesn't have to look far from home for a
nice capture. I must ask are they trying to chain the dresses down or
the mannequin?

Jeffery Johnson | Photo Captures by Jeffery
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/Diverse range of photography Artistic - Animals - Events/Festivals -
Transportation - Pets - Nature - Scenic - Cityscape. That you can
purchase as framed or unframed prints, with loads of variety in home
decor./
On 6/15/2017 8:09 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

For the first time in a couple of months I took the K-5 with me ... I
had no groceries to bring home, was meeting a friend for lunch so
decided I could bear the weight. anticpated shooting some stuff near
where we met but while I grabbed a few shots near there, this was
when was almost home, a block away from
my apt...

https://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2017-snaps/i-vPkvxQb/A

ann








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Re: Fwd: Re: Which long lens would you rather have

[Zos Xavius]

works great on gmail now that they added html support. :)

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> P. J. Alling wrote:
>
>>This reply to list thing is really annoying.
>
> Time to switch email clients.
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Re: Fwd: Re: Which long lens would you rather have

[John]

Nothing to add, I just want to look at the headers on one of my replies
to see what the difference is between mine & P.J.'s email client, since
I think we're both on Thunderbird, but I'm not having the problems he is.

On 6/8/2017 15:20, Mark Roberts wrote:

P. J. Alling wrote:


This reply to list thing is really annoying.


Time to switch email clients.




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Re: Fwd: Re: Which long lens would you rather have

[Mark Roberts]

P. J. Alling wrote:

>This reply to list thing is really annoying.

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Re: Fwd: Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Zos Xavius]

The real danger lies in metal penetrating the cells and short
circuiting them instantly.

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:25 PM, John Francis  wrote:
>
> The chemistry of old single-use batteries and modern rechargeable batteries
> is very different. You could, if you wanted to, cut an old battery in half
> without much happening.  That's not true of something like a lithium ion
> cell (as can easily be seen on youtube), so those tend to be enclosed in
> a reasonably strong airtight and watertight casing.  Old cells were not,
> so if the battery began to degrade you could end up with some fairly nasty
> chemicals forcing their way out of the battery and ending up all over the
> inside of whatever you were using the battery in.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 05, 2017 at 04:46:19PM -0400, Mark C wrote:
>> I wondered about that. My Q would lose stored setting in a day or two
>> without a battery in it, so I left it in.
>>
>> On 6/5/2017 12:25 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>> >
>> > The thing is this issue isn't so much a problem with the battery, but
>> > with storing the camera with the battery in it.  Back in the day of film
>> > cameras we were told never to store the camera with the batteries in
>> > it.  Why would that advice not pertain to modern digital devices and
>> > rechargeable batteries?
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Re: Fwd: Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[John Francis]

The chemistry of old single-use batteries and modern rechargeable batteries
is very different. You could, if you wanted to, cut an old battery in half
without much happening.  That's not true of something like a lithium ion
cell (as can easily be seen on youtube), so those tend to be enclosed in
a reasonably strong airtight and watertight casing.  Old cells were not,
so if the battery began to degrade you could end up with some fairly nasty
chemicals forcing their way out of the battery and ending up all over the
inside of whatever you were using the battery in.


On Mon, Jun 05, 2017 at 04:46:19PM -0400, Mark C wrote:
> I wondered about that. My Q would lose stored setting in a day or two
> without a battery in it, so I left it in.
> 
> On 6/5/2017 12:25 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> > 
> > The thing is this issue isn't so much a problem with the battery, but
> > with storing the camera with the battery in it.  Back in the day of film
> > cameras we were told never to store the camera with the batteries in
> > it.  Why would that advice not pertain to modern digital devices and
> > rechargeable batteries?
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Re: Fwd: Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[P. J. Alling]

But if you leave it long enough the battery will drain anyway. Better to 
be safe and setup the camera when you want to use it.



On 6/5/2017 4:46 PM, Mark C wrote:
I wondered about that. My Q would lose stored setting in a day or two 
without a battery in it, so I left it in.


On 6/5/2017 12:25 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:


The thing is this issue isn't so much a problem with the battery, but
with storing the camera with the battery in it.  Back in the day of film
cameras we were told never to store the camera with the batteries in
it.  Why would that advice not pertain to modern digital devices and
rechargeable batteries? 






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Re: Fwd: Re: Stuck Battery In Pentax Q

[Mark C]

I wondered about that. My Q would lose stored setting in a day or two 
without a battery in it, so I left it in.


On 6/5/2017 12:25 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:


The thing is this issue isn't so much a problem with the battery, but
with storing the camera with the battery in it.  Back in the day of film
cameras we were told never to store the camera with the batteries in
it.  Why would that advice not pertain to modern digital devices and
rechargeable batteries? 



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Re: Fwd: Re: Anyone else with Q7?

[John]

We'll see where this goes, but I think you can set "reply to list" as a 
default.


On 6/2/2017 01:37, P. J. Alling wrote:




 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: Anyone else with Q7?
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 17:03:22 -0400
From: P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv>



Wait, this was a big deal on the list a few years ago.   Cotty, are you
having memory problems?


On 6/1/2017 4:51 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 1/6/17, Jostein, discombobulated, unleashed:


Oh, right. Not an uplifting first response...
This is it:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.uk/en/product/10404/body/overview/digital-
mirrorless.html

Never seen this before. Looks like a neat little camera. Any good?







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Re: Fwd: Re: Anyone else with Q7?

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On Fri, Jun 2, 2017, at 03:37 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:Re: Anyone else with Q7?
> Date:   Thu, 1 Jun 2017 17:01:57 -0400
> From:   P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
> To: Jostein <p...@alunfoto.no>
> 
> 
> 
> Wow, they've been discontinued in Japan and the US for at last a couple
> of years now.  I know where Ricoh sent the remaining stock now.


The Q-S1 was the latest model but even that's been canned as far as I
know.

I use my Q (original model) as a take anywhere system - I never leave
home without it.  The body and two zooms take up almost no space.

Pocketability? With the original 01 prime lens it wont fit in the pocket
of tight jeans (not that I wear them!) but it can fit into a larger
pocket.


Cheers

Brian

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> 
> 
> On 6/1/2017 4:02 PM, Jostein wrote:
> > Oh, right. Not an uplifting first response...
> > This is it:
> > http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.uk/en/product/10404/body/overview/digital-mirrorless.html
> >  
> >
> >
> > Jostein
> >
> > Den 01.06.2017 20.57, skrev Daniel J. Matyola:
> >> What is a Q7?
> >>
> >
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Re: Fwd: Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Toralf Lund]

On 29/05/17 04:21, P. J. Alling wrote:
> There I forgot to hit reply to list...


See
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3030392=14749778

- T

>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Re: Really annoying new behavior
> Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 21:52:35 -0400
> From: P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
> To: Doug Brewer <d...@dougbrewerphoto.com>
>
>
>
> There's probably something changed in the Thunderbird settings that
> happened with the last update.  I can probably change it back to the
> previous settings if I do a google lookup.  I just have to remember to
> use the Reply List rather than the Reply button.
>
> On 5/28/2017 5:55 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
>> I have not changed the list settings, PJ. I don't know if Thunderbird
>> has done something new without looking at their release notes, but
>> "reply list" works fine.
>>
>> If necessary, I can set the software to only include the list
>> address, stripping out the original sender address, but we've run OK
>> without that for many years, and it may wonk up some users' reply
>> settings.
>>
>> On 5/28/17 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>> So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the
>>> list software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of
>>> replies lately that seem to have been sent directly to the
>>> originating persons email rather than to the list.  I haven't
>>> changed what I've been doing but now I have to remember to click
>>> reply list.  I really hate when crap like that happens.
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: OT: Re: PESO. Electrical activity

[Bruce Walker]

Depends on your use. Photobucket appears to be just a kind of one-off
image hosting service. Useful as a place to stash a single image and
share a link to it. Personally I have limited use for that.

I prefer to be able to create galleries of related images as well as
sharing links to individual images. Flickr is still good for that,
though a few folks here have issues with it.

Tumblr seems to be quite good as a place for both small galleries and
single images. If you choose a clean profile template your Tumblr will
be nice looking too.

Both Flickr and Tumblr have been around for a long time and appear to
have years ahead of them, unlike many of the random image hosting
sites. Both are free to use too.

Some folks really like 500px. I don't, but you might, so have a look.

Not many realize it but Twitter allows posting images and sharing a
link to it. It's not the best looking place, but it's free and works.
And it renders images fast.


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 3:58 AM, james  wrote:
>
>
> On 4/12/2016 11:20 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> OT: is Photobucket often this slow? That took ages to come up.
>>
> Seams to be of late. Thinking about changing to something else. Suggestions?
>
>
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Re: *** SPAM ***RE: OT - Stef's grade

[Alan C]

What John said.

2.1 is the old Upper Second which means he just missed First - jolly good, 
young chap!


Alan C

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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:39 AM
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Well done Stefan - will have to look at the web site in more detail later,
but it looks very good.


John in Brisbane





On 16 July 2016 at 11:19 Steve Cottrell <co...@seeingeye.tv> wrote:


I know some of you will have seen this on FB but for those that avoid
it, my son Stefan has received his grade for his university degree in
Digital Photography from London South Bank: a 2.1 (which is kinda like a

'B').


<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britis
h_undergraduate_degree_classification#Degree_classification>

We are very proud of him! He's currently taking a well-earned summer
break after finishing his degree show at the end of June and diving
straight into 4 weeks as a sound assistant on an ITV drama called 'Vera'.

<http://www.stefancottrell.com>

Oh to be young again...


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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: PESO: Corvettes

[Alan C]

Yeah, I know the feeling but the 55-300 helps.

Alan C

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On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:04 PM, Larry Colen <l...@red4est.com> wrote:
 You are really

making me regret not pre-ordering a K-1.



Hell, i'm still trying to talk myself into buying a 55-300 let alone a K-1 
.:-)


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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: PESO: Wanaka Sunrise

[David Mann]

Too cold for those down here, thankfully.  The only crocs we see are worn on 
the feet.

Cheers,
Dave

> On May 8, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:
> 
> At a quick glance it looked like a crocodile! Excellent photo.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- From: David Mann
> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 7:27 AM
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> Subject: *** SPAM ***Re: PESO: Wanaka Sunrise
> 
> The log is quite small but yes that's the reason I stopped for a photo as I 
> thought it looked good in the morning light.
> 
> Thanks to everyone for the comments.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> On May 8, 2016, at 1:27 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wonderful colors and composition.  The log (?) in the foreground make
>> the image something quite special.
>> 
>> Dan Matyola
>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 1:40 AM, David Mann <dmann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> While my computer runs a 5Gb backup I may as well do something useful and 
>>> prepare a PESO.
>>> 
>>> I took this in January during a sunrise walk along the shore of Lake 
>>> Wanaka.  Another one I could have put into this months PUG, I suppose :)
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1016/#peso
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dave
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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: PESO: Wanaka Sunrise

[Alan C]

At a quick glance it looked like a crocodile! Excellent photo.

Alan C

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From: David Mann

Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2016 7:27 AM
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Subject: *** SPAM ***Re: PESO: Wanaka Sunrise

The log is quite small but yes that's the reason I stopped for a photo as I 
thought it looked good in the morning light.


Thanks to everyone for the comments.

Cheers,
Dave

On May 8, 2016, at 1:27 AM, Daniel J. Matyola <danmaty...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Wonderful colors and composition.  The log (?) in the foreground make
the image something quite special.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 1:40 AM, David Mann <dmann...@gmail.com> wrote:
While my computer runs a 5Gb backup I may as well do something useful and 
prepare a PESO.


I took this in January during a sunrise walk along the shore of Lake 
Wanaka.  Another one I could have put into this months PUG, I suppose :)


http://gallery.multi.net.nz/photo/1016/#peso

Cheers,
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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: PESO and an experiment - Spring Walk

[Alan C]

No difference. Acer Travelmate.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 9:45 PM
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Subject: *** SPAM ***Re: PESO and an experiment - Spring Walk

Rick Womer wrote:


Two exports of the same photo, one in sRGB and the other in Adobe RGB.

Please let me know:

Do they look different?

If so, which looks better?

What kind of monitor are you using?

The PESO:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18225953=lg

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=18225952=lg


Absolutely identical.

I'm using an HP 24" IPS monitor,profiled with a Spyder II, on a fully
color-manages system (including browser), so if you've embedded the
correct ICC profiles in each image they should look identical. And
they do :-)

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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: PESO: Hogs & Fowl

[Alan C]

Too true! 2 lions in town in the past year.

Alan C

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"Feral cats" in your neck of the woods could could mean anything from a 
tabby to a lion!


Cheers,
Dave


On Apr 21, 2016, at 4:34 PM, Alan C <c...@lantic.net> wrote:

Thanks to those who looked and/or commented.

David, there are at least 3 feral cats in the park.

Ann, the Guinea Fowl are not pests at all. Some people feed them but they 
don't hang around. Their numbers in town are much reduced after years of 
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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

[John]

Sorry. Not you. I think it's Alan's replies that are inserting it.

On 4/19/2016 2:28 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

No! I may be mistaken, but this may
be the only post I recall ever showing
the "SPAM."
J

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 19, 2016, at 9:22 AM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Do you have any idea what causes your posts to insert "Re:***SPAM***"
into the subject line?


On 4/18/2016 12:56 AM, Alan C wrote:
Me too until I used the link on Christine's reply.

Alan C

-Original Message- From: David Mann
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:52 AM
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Subject: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

I got a 404 :(

Cheers,
Dave


On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:



Was sitting On the 88F patio when this lit on the fence.
He busted the shudder move at a fortunate time :)

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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

[Jack Davis]

No! I may be mistaken, but this may
be the only post I recall ever showing
the "SPAM."
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 19, 2016, at 9:22 AM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Do you have any idea what causes your posts to insert "Re:***SPAM***"
> into the subject line?
> 
>> On 4/18/2016 12:56 AM, Alan C wrote:
>> Me too until I used the link on Christine's reply.
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: David Mann
>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:52 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay
>> 
>> I got a 404 :(
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was sitting On the 88F patio when this lit on the fence.
>>> He busted the shudder move at a fortunate time :)
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> K-3/55-300
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload.detail.asp?ID=1051
>>> 
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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

[John]

Do you have any idea what causes your posts to insert "Re:***SPAM***"
into the subject line?

On 4/18/2016 12:56 AM, Alan C wrote:

Me too until I used the link on Christine's reply.

Alan C

-Original Message- From: David Mann
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:52 AM
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Subject: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

I got a 404 :(

Cheers,
Dave


On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:



Was sitting On the 88F patio when this lit on the fence.
He busted the shudder move at a fortunate time :)

J

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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

[Jack Davis]

Thanks for comments, David!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2016, at 10:59 PM, David Mann <dmann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah I see it now.  Nicely done.  Looks like he's dancing.
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> On Apr 19, 2016, at 4:02 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Jack Davis" <jdavi...@comcast.net>
>> To: "PDML" <pdml@pdml.net>
>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:09:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay
>> 
>> Yeah, I botched the initial post link and did a quick "forward" to correct 
>> it. Sorry!
>> J
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1051
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Alan C" <c...@lantic.net>
>> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:56:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay
>> 
>> Me too until I used the link on Christine's reply.
>> 
>> Alan C
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: David Mann
>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:52 AM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay
>> 
>> I got a 404 :(
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was sitting On the 88F patio when this lit on the fence.
>>> He busted the shudder move at a fortunate time :)
>>> 
>>> J
>>> 
>>> K-3/55-300
>>> 
>>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1051
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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

[David Mann]

Ah I see it now.  Nicely done.  Looks like he's dancing.

Cheers,
Dave

> On Apr 19, 2016, at 4:02 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jack Davis" <jdavi...@comcast.net>
> To: "PDML" <pdml@pdml.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:09:16 AM
> Subject: Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay
> 
> Yeah, I botched the initial post link and did a quick "forward" to correct 
> it. Sorry!
> J
> 
> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1051
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alan C" <c...@lantic.net>
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net>
> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:56:43 PM
> Subject: Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay
> 
> Me too until I used the link on Christine's reply.
> 
> Alan C
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: David Mann
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:52 AM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay
> 
> I got a 404 :(
> 
> Cheers,
> Dave
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Was sitting On the 88F patio when this lit on the fence.
>> He busted the shudder move at a fortunate time :)
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> K-3/55-300
>> 
>> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1051
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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

[Jack Davis]

- Original Message -
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To: "PDML" <pdml@pdml.net>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:09:16 AM
Subject: Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

Yeah, I botched the initial post link and did a quick "forward" to correct it. 
Sorry!
J

http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=1051

- Original Message -
From: "Alan C" <c...@lantic.net>
To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:56:43 PM
Subject: Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

Me too until I used the link on Christine's reply.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: David Mann
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 6:52 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

I got a 404 :(

Cheers,
Dave

> On Apr 18, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Was sitting On the 88F patio when this lit on the fence.
> He busted the shudder move at a fortunate time :)
>
> J
>
> K-3/55-300
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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

[Jack Davis]

Yeah, I botched the initial post link and did a quick "forward" to correct it. 
Sorry!
J

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Me too until I used the link on Christine's reply.

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I got a 404 :(

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Re: *** SPAM ***Re: Psso-Shuddering Scrub Jay

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Me too until I used the link on Christine's reply.

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I got a 404 :(

Cheers,
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Was sitting On the 88F patio when this lit on the fence.
He busted the shudder move at a fortunate time :)

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Re: Question re FA43mm

[Steve Cottrell]

On 27/3/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Yes.

Woot. Thanks.

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Re: Question re FA43mm

[Bill]

On 3/27/2016 8:56 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 27/3/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:


It's an FA series lens. It works exactly the same as any other Pentax
auto focus lens from the 1990s.


Ok. Assume I have never owned any Pentax auto focus lens from the 1990s :-)

Which I haven't.

Basically, what I would like to know is this: if the lens was place onto
an adaptor and used on a completely different camera body - eg
effectively no electrical connection between lens and said body - would
the lens act as a manual focus / manual aperture lens?


Yes.


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Re: Question re FA43mm

[Steve Cottrell]

On 27/3/16, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

>It's an FA series lens. It works exactly the same as any other Pentax 
>auto focus lens from the 1990s.

Ok. Assume I have never owned any Pentax auto focus lens from the 1990s :-)

Which I haven't.

Basically, what I would like to know is this: if the lens was place onto
an adaptor and used on a completely different camera body - eg
effectively no electrical connection between lens and said body - would
the lens act as a manual focus / manual aperture lens?

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Re: Question re FA43mm

[Bill]

On 3/27/2016 5:06 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Does the FA 43mm Ltd have full time manual focus? Presumably focus by
wire? Any chance of an explainer on how the manual focus and aperture
works on this lens?

Much appreciated.



It's an FA series lens. It works exactly the same as any other Pentax 
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Re: Question re FA43mm

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On 3/27/2016 10:37 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 27/3/16, P.J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:


Yes, just like an old fashioned manual focus lens.  It's nicely damped
for an early design auto focus lens as well.

Oh good!

What about the aperture ring - if the camera lens is not attached to a
camera body and the aperture ring is turned, I presume the iris remains
open (to allow for open aperture metering?)



It works just like any other K/KA mount lens.  It defaults to stop down 
metering if there's no stop down lever to hold the aperture open.


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Re: Question re FA43mm

[Steve Cottrell]

On 27/3/16, P.J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Yes, just like an old fashioned manual focus lens.  It's nicely damped 
>for an early design auto focus lens as well.

Oh good!

What about the aperture ring - if the camera lens is not attached to a
camera body and the aperture ring is turned, I presume the iris remains
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Re: Question re FA43mm

[P.J. Alling]

On 3/27/2016 10:29 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 27/3/16, P.J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:


Nope. No focus by wire.  It's old school, at least as old school as an
auto focus lens can be.  To override auto focus you must disengage the
lens from the screw drive by switching off AF on the body.  The one I
have is older and a bit beat up, the gears no longer mesh quite
perfectly so there's a slight whirring sound during manual focusing.  It
doesn't bother me since I don't shoot video, but it is noticeable, and
probably happens to all copies as they age.

So if the lens is not attached to a camera body, if you turn the focus
ring, does the lens focus?



Yes, just like an old fashioned manual focus lens.  It's nicely damped 
for an early design auto focus lens as well.


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Re: Question re FA43mm

[Steve Cottrell]

On 27/3/16, P.J. Alling, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Nope. No focus by wire.  It's old school, at least as old school as an 
>auto focus lens can be.  To override auto focus you must disengage the 
>lens from the screw drive by switching off AF on the body.  The one I 
>have is older and a bit beat up, the gears no longer mesh quite 
>perfectly so there's a slight whirring sound during manual focusing.  It 
>doesn't bother me since I don't shoot video, but it is noticeable, and 
>probably happens to all copies as they age.

So if the lens is not attached to a camera body, if you turn the focus
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Re: Question re FA43mm

[P.J. Alling]

Nope. No focus by wire.  It's old school, at least as old school as an 
auto focus lens can be.  To override auto focus you must disengage the 
lens from the screw drive by switching off AF on the body.  The one I 
have is older and a bit beat up, the gears no longer mesh quite 
perfectly so there's a slight whirring sound during manual focusing.  It 
doesn't bother me since I don't shoot video, but it is noticeable, and 
probably happens to all copies as they age.


On 3/27/2016 7:06 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

Does the FA 43mm Ltd have full time manual focus? Presumably focus by
wire? Any chance of an explainer on how the manual focus and aperture
works on this lens?

Much appreciated.




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Re: Question re FA43mm

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Unfortunately not. You have to switch to MF on camera and then back...

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On 27 March 2016 14:07:18 "Steve Cottrell"  wrote:


Does the FA 43mm Ltd have full time manual focus? Presumably focus by
wire? Any chance of an explainer on how the manual focus and aperture
works on this lens?

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Re: help - re printer driver for r220

[Philip Northeast]

This is supposed to be the windows driver download

http://esupport.epson-europe.com/FileDetails.aspx?lng=en-GB=zbff+oTjl0Fso1HCmKt581BnWkxCBrOz=374915

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On 13/12/2015 2:50 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Well the R2400 died, so I jsut unplugged it, plugged in the R220 that
had been running on my old XP and when I did that
my  new pc with Win 7 didn't know it was an r220 -  and called it ESC/P
standard 2 ..

Win 7 searched for a driver and couldn find it... sen me to Epson on
line and when I thought I was downloading the driver for it instead of
giving me a printer driver it gave me my scanner driver.. help!

My HP is 64 running WIn 7 pro  I can't find my original R22o install
disk  but old system was xp anyway

ideas?

IT jsuthangs up in Adobe 10

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Re: help - re printer driver for r220 NEVERMIND :-)

[ann sanfedele]

Phillp thanks -
after writing you guys I tried something and amazingly it worked -- just 
went to the epson place from a different angle, kind of..

anyway working now

phew

ann

On 12/12/2015 10:59 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:

This is supposed to be the windows driver download

http://esupport.epson-europe.com/FileDetails.aspx?lng=en-GB=zbff+oTjl0Fso1HCmKt581BnWkxCBrOz=374915 



Philip Northeast

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On 13/12/2015 2:50 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Well the R2400 died, so I jsut unplugged it, plugged in the R220 that
had been running on my old XP and when I did that
my  new pc with Win 7 didn't know it was an r220 -  and called it ESC/P
standard 2 ..

Win 7 searched for a driver and couldn find it... sen me to Epson on
line and when I thought I was downloading the driver for it instead of
giving me a printer driver it gave me my scanner driver.. help!

My HP is 64 running WIn 7 pro  I can't find my original R22o install
disk  but old system was xp anyway

ideas?

IT jsuthangs up in Adobe 10

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Re: help - re printer driver for r220 NEVERMIND :-)

[ann sanfedele]

Thanks Paul , I finally got there and all back to normal - don't know 
why it kept giving me the scanner

driver instead of the printer driver

ann

On 12/13/2015 12:19 AM, Paul wrote:
If you have the need to look further, here is a link to the R220 
driver for Win 7 - 64 bit


http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?oid=60202=Downloads=OSF_W_7-64 



-p

On 12/12/2015 10:13 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Phillp thanks -
after writing you guys I tried something and amazingly it worked -- just
went to the epson place from a different angle, kind of..
anyway working now

phew

ann

On 12/12/2015 10:59 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:

This is supposed to be the windows driver download

http://esupport.epson-europe.com/FileDetails.aspx?lng=en-GB=zbff+oTjl0Fso1HCmKt581BnWkxCBrOz=374915 




Philip Northeast

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On 13/12/2015 2:50 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Well the R2400 died, so I jsut unplugged it, plugged in the R220 that
had been running on my old XP and when I did that
my  new pc with Win 7 didn't know it was an r220 -  and called it 
ESC/P

standard 2 ..

Win 7 searched for a driver and couldn find it... sen me to Epson on
line and when I thought I was downloading the driver for it instead of
giving me a printer driver it gave me my scanner driver.. help!

My HP is 64 running WIn 7 pro  I can't find my original R22o install
disk  but old system was xp anyway

ideas?

IT jsuthangs up in Adobe 10

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Re: help - re printer driver for r220 NEVERMIND :-)

[Paul]

If you have the need to look further, here is a link to the R220 driver 
for Win 7 - 64 bit


http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?oid=60202=Downloads=OSF_W_7-64

-p

On 12/12/2015 10:13 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Phillp thanks -
after writing you guys I tried something and amazingly it worked -- just
went to the epson place from a different angle, kind of..
anyway working now

phew

ann

On 12/12/2015 10:59 PM, Philip Northeast wrote:

This is supposed to be the windows driver download

http://esupport.epson-europe.com/FileDetails.aspx?lng=en-GB=zbff+oTjl0Fso1HCmKt581BnWkxCBrOz=374915


Philip Northeast

www.aviewfinderdarkly.com.au

On 13/12/2015 2:50 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:

Well the R2400 died, so I jsut unplugged it, plugged in the R220 that
had been running on my old XP and when I did that
my  new pc with Win 7 didn't know it was an r220 -  and called it ESC/P
standard 2 ..

Win 7 searched for a driver and couldn find it... sen me to Epson on
line and when I thought I was downloading the driver for it instead of
giving me a printer driver it gave me my scanner driver.. help!

My HP is 64 running WIn 7 pro  I can't find my original R22o install
disk  but old system was xp anyway

ideas?

IT jsuthangs up in Adobe 10

ann








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Re: PESO re-posted, in sympathy and solidarity

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Indeed.  I love it.

My original post was a the temporary home page of Amazon, immediately
after the event.  It was the first appropriate thing I could find to
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On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 10:05 PM, knarf  wrote:
> Now that we've exhausted politics on Dan's thread I'll post here to say what 
> a beautiful and moving image this is.
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On November 14, 2015 2:43:22 PM EST, Rick Womer  wrote:
>>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12868904
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Re: PESO re-posted, in sympathy and solidarity

[Paul Stenquist]

What Frank said.

Paul via phone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:05 PM, knarf  wrote:
> 
> Now that we've exhausted politics on Dan's thread I'll post here to say what 
> a beautiful and moving image this is.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
>> On November 14, 2015 2:43:22 PM EST, Rick Womer  wrote:
>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12868904
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[knarf]

Now that we've exhausted politics on Dan's thread I'll post here to say what a 
beautiful and moving image this is.

Cheers,

frank

On November 14, 2015 2:43:22 PM EST, Rick Womer  wrote:
>http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12868904

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Re: PESO re-posted, in sympathy and solidarity

[Jack Davis]

Moving image.
I love it!

J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:19 PM, Paul Stenquist  wrote:
> 
> What Frank said.
> 
> Paul via phone
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2015, at 10:05 PM, knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> Now that we've exhausted politics on Dan's thread I'll post here to say what 
>> a beautiful and moving image this is.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On November 14, 2015 2:43:22 PM EST, Rick Womer  
>>> wrote:
>>> http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12868904
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Re: Lightening re-do

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On 2/26/2015 07:34, Jack Davis wrote:

OKAY! I'll pull it up, if I still have it, and take another look.
I recall being especially pleased with the splintered tree shading in a scene
that really doesn't, otherwise, thrill me.
Ann, I didn't realize you hadn't received my reply to your off-list
email. I'm using PE10.

I gathered that :-)

Applied your system (with variations) of

conversion in __random sequences.

Umm well, the sequence I did it in seems to matter..

Desaturate first, then save in gray-scale, then adjust
brightness and contrast and crop to taste.

I used elements 5.0 where there is a pull-down with 3 sliding things
for Hue, saturation, and lightening...

ON the one I sent I see no halos..  why don't you post that
and see what happens when others view on their monitors - might help 
figure things out. I don't think showing what I did to it on my web site 
would help as it adds another variation in technology.


Hope we can get it figured out for you

ann

 When I was content with the detail

and contrast in the primary elements, I left it at that.
Thanks, Ann, Bruce and Bulent.

Jack


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Subject: Re: Lightening re-do

Jack,

I, like Bruce, see halos around trees. They are encircled by a
brighter rim of sky.

I suspect your monitor might be making those halos invisible.

Maybe you should examine the image using another monitor...

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2015-02-26 6:14 GMT+02:00 Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net:

Thanks, Bruce. I'm not disagreeing with you, but a halo does not exist for me on the 
interface.
I can detect a very subtle lighter tone across the horizon behind the trees. I 
suspect
it's at least partially due to the common lighter sky tone seen just above the 
horizon. In any
case, I'm going to allow it to exist undisturbed.
Again, your comments are appreciated, Bruce.

Thanks!

Jack

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Subject: Re: Lightening re-do

Hmm. Halos still present. Especially noticeable at interface between
sky and trees in background, and the right side of the foreground
snapped trunk.

What bw conversion software do you have available, Jack? Not Nik
Silver Efex by any chance?

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:



Got rid of hellish halos. I like that part, but feel it needs more contrast.
The image is one that doesn't thrill me, but I got tired of trying to decide, 
so here
it is.

Comments certainly welcome.

Thanks,
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Re: Lightening re-do

[Jack Davis]

OKAY! I'll pull it up, if I still have it, and take another look.
I recall being especially pleased with the splintered tree shading in a scene
that really doesn't, otherwise, thrill me. 
Ann, I didn't realize you hadn't received my reply to your off-list 
email. I'm using PE10. Applied your system (with variations) of 
conversion in random sequences. When I was content with the detail 
and contrast in the primary elements, I left it at that.
Thanks, Ann, Bruce and Bulent. 

Jack
 

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From: Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com
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Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 2:49:56 AM
Subject: Re: Lightening re-do

Jack,

I, like Bruce, see halos around trees. They are encircled by a
brighter rim of sky.

I suspect your monitor might be making those halos invisible.

Maybe you should examine the image using another monitor...

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2015-02-26 6:14 GMT+02:00 Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net:
 Thanks, Bruce. I'm not disagreeing with you, but a halo does not exist for me 
 on the interface.
 I can detect a very subtle lighter tone across the horizon behind the trees. 
 I suspect
 it's at least partially due to the common lighter sky tone seen just above 
 the horizon. In any
 case, I'm going to allow it to exist undisturbed.
 Again, your comments are appreciated, Bruce.

 Thanks!

 Jack

 - Original Message -
 From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:16:19 PM
 Subject: Re: Lightening re-do

 Hmm. Halos still present. Especially noticeable at interface between
 sky and trees in background, and the right side of the foreground
 snapped trunk.

 What bw conversion software do you have available, Jack? Not Nik
 Silver Efex by any chance?

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


 Got rid of hellish halos. I like that part, but feel it needs more contrast.
 The image is one that doesn't thrill me, but I got tired of trying to 
 decide, so here
 it is.

 Comments certainly welcome.

 Thanks,
 Jack

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Re: Lightening re-do

[John]

There's a distinct lighter band of sky along the outside edge of the 
stump on the right.


On 2/25/2015 11:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

Thanks, Bruce. I'm not disagreeing with you, but a halo does not exist for me on the 
interface.
I can detect a very subtle lighter tone across the horizon behind the trees. I 
suspect
it's at least partially due to the common lighter sky tone seen just above the 
horizon. In any
case, I'm going to allow it to exist undisturbed.
Again, your comments are appreciated, Bruce.

Thanks!

Jack

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From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:16:19 PM
Subject: Re: Lightening re-do

Hmm. Halos still present. Especially noticeable at interface between
sky and trees in background, and the right side of the foreground
snapped trunk.

What bw conversion software do you have available, Jack? Not Nik
Silver Efex by any chance?

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:



Got rid of hellish halos. I like that part, but feel it needs more contrast.
The image is one that doesn't thrill me, but I got tired of trying to decide, 
so here
it is.

Comments certainly welcome.

Thanks,
Jack

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Re: Lightening re-do

[Jack Davis]

I'm still working on it, John. I can see no halos until the next time I look. I 
have too many versions 
to keep straight. :\

Jack

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From: John sesso...@earthlink.net
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Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:49:27 AM
Subject: Re: Lightening re-do

There's a distinct lighter band of sky along the outside edge of the 
stump on the right.

On 2/25/2015 11:14 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
 Thanks, Bruce. I'm not disagreeing with you, but a halo does not exist for me 
 on the interface.
 I can detect a very subtle lighter tone across the horizon behind the trees. 
 I suspect
 it's at least partially due to the common lighter sky tone seen just above 
 the horizon. In any
 case, I'm going to allow it to exist undisturbed.
 Again, your comments are appreciated, Bruce.

 Thanks!

 Jack

 - Original Message -
 From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:16:19 PM
 Subject: Re: Lightening re-do

 Hmm. Halos still present. Especially noticeable at interface between
 sky and trees in background, and the right side of the foreground
 snapped trunk.

 What bw conversion software do you have available, Jack? Not Nik
 Silver Efex by any chance?

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


 Got rid of hellish halos. I like that part, but feel it needs more contrast.
 The image is one that doesn't thrill me, but I got tired of trying to 
 decide, so here
 it is.

 Comments certainly welcome.

 Thanks,
 Jack

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=894



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Re: Lightening re-do

[Bulent Celasun]

Jack,

I, like Bruce, see halos around trees. They are encircled by a
brighter rim of sky.

I suspect your monitor might be making those halos invisible.

Maybe you should examine the image using another monitor...

Bulent

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2015-02-26 6:14 GMT+02:00 Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net:
 Thanks, Bruce. I'm not disagreeing with you, but a halo does not exist for me 
 on the interface.
 I can detect a very subtle lighter tone across the horizon behind the trees. 
 I suspect
 it's at least partially due to the common lighter sky tone seen just above 
 the horizon. In any
 case, I'm going to allow it to exist undisturbed.
 Again, your comments are appreciated, Bruce.

 Thanks!

 Jack

 - Original Message -
 From: Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 5:16:19 PM
 Subject: Re: Lightening re-do

 Hmm. Halos still present. Especially noticeable at interface between
 sky and trees in background, and the right side of the foreground
 snapped trunk.

 What bw conversion software do you have available, Jack? Not Nik
 Silver Efex by any chance?

 On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


 Got rid of hellish halos. I like that part, but feel it needs more contrast.
 The image is one that doesn't thrill me, but I got tired of trying to 
 decide, so here
 it is.

 Comments certainly welcome.

 Thanks,
 Jack

 http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=894

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Re: Lightening re-do

[Bruce Walker]

Hmm. Halos still present. Especially noticeable at interface between
sky and trees in background, and the right side of the foreground
snapped trunk.

What bw conversion software do you have available, Jack? Not Nik
Silver Efex by any chance?

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@comcast.net wrote:


 Got rid of hellish halos. I like that part, but feel it needs more contrast.
 The image is one that doesn't thrill me, but I got tired of trying to decide, 
 so here
 it is.

 Comments certainly welcome.

 Thanks,
 Jack

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