Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Toralf Lund]

On 30/05/17 18:18, Doug Brewer wrote:
Yes, the PDML is something of an anomaly in this regard. The mailman 
settings strongly recommend reply to sender. It certainly cuts down on 
list traffic, but since our little community thrives on group sharing, 
I think reply to list is warranted.
I must say that this seems like the obvious choice for most other lists 
I'm on, too - as they'll generally get questions related to software or 
whatever, which more often that not touch on problems other people will 
have, too.


Anyhow, I think the e-mail application should respect the choice made by 
the list admin through the Reply-to header setting, and not enforce its 
own ideas. Perhaps everyone should here should nag the Thunderbird 
developers to get them to revert the change...


- Toralf



On 5/30/17 11:50 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
On the couple of lists I manage, reply to sender is the default 
because it forces list participants to think about whether they want 
their response to go to the broader audience.







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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Daniel J. Matyola]

I agree, Doug.

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On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 12:18 PM, Doug Brewer 
wrote:

> Yes, the PDML is something of an anomaly in this regard. The mailman
> settings strongly recommend reply to sender. It certainly cuts down on list
> traffic, but since our little community thrives on group sharing, I think
> reply to list is warranted.
>
> On 5/30/17 11:50 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
>
>> On the couple of lists I manage, reply to sender is the default because
>> it forces list participants to think about whether they want their response
>> to go to the broader audience.
>>
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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Doug Brewer]

Yes, the PDML is something of an anomaly in this regard. The mailman 
settings strongly recommend reply to sender. It certainly cuts down on 
list traffic, but since our little community thrives on group sharing, I 
think reply to list is warranted.


On 5/30/17 11:50 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

On the couple of lists I manage, reply to sender is the default because it 
forces list participants to think about whether they want their response to go 
to the broader audience.



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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[P. J. Alling]

And unfailingly polite, I know I wouldn't be thanking me...


On 5/30/2017 11:40 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

thank you?

On 5/30/17 11:20 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Doug, you're not irritating, Obnoxiously correct sometimes but never 
irritating.



On 5/30/2017 11:16 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

On 5/28/17 7:07 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

My Mt Hood replies to you, Ann, were
sent as "replies." I'm sure you're aware, but considering the odd list
behavior, wanted to clarify.

J


At the risk of being an irritant, I repeat that there has been 
nothing done to the settings for the list. It's a Thunderbird issue.











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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On the couple of lists I manage, reply to sender is the default because it 
forces list participants to think about whether they want their response to go 
to the broader audience. 

G

> On May 30, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Doug Brewer  wrote:
> 
>> On 5/28/17 7:07 PM, Jack Davis wrote:
>> My Mt Hood replies to you, Ann, were
>> sent as "replies." I'm sure you're aware, but considering the odd list
>> behavior, wanted to clarify.
>> J
> 
> At the risk of being an irritant, I repeat that there has been nothing done 
> to the settings for the list. It's a Thunderbird issue.
> 

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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Doug Brewer]

thank you?

On 5/30/17 11:20 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Doug, you're not irritating, Obnoxiously correct sometimes but never 
irritating.



On 5/30/2017 11:16 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

On 5/28/17 7:07 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

My Mt Hood replies to you, Ann, were
sent as "replies." I'm sure you're aware, but considering the odd list
behavior, wanted to clarify.

J


At the risk of being an irritant, I repeat that there has been nothing 
done to the settings for the list. It's a Thunderbird issue.








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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[P. J. Alling]

Doug, you're not irritating, Obnoxiously correct sometimes but never 
irritating.



On 5/30/2017 11:16 AM, Doug Brewer wrote:

On 5/28/17 7:07 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

My Mt Hood replies to you, Ann, were
sent as "replies." I'm sure you're aware, but considering the odd list
behavior, wanted to clarify.

J


At the risk of being an irritant, I repeat that there has been nothing 
done to the settings for the list. It's a Thunderbird issue.






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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Doug Brewer]

On 5/28/17 7:07 PM, Jack Davis wrote:

My Mt Hood replies to you, Ann, were
sent as "replies." I'm sure you're aware, but considering the odd list
behavior, wanted to clarify.

J


At the risk of being an irritant, I repeat that there has been nothing 
done to the settings for the list. It's a Thunderbird issue.



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Re: Fwd: Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Toralf Lund]

On 29/05/17 04:21, P. J. Alling wrote:
> There I forgot to hit reply to list...


See
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=39=3030392=14749778

- T

>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Re: Really annoying new behavior
> Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 21:52:35 -0400
> From: P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
> To: Doug Brewer <d...@dougbrewerphoto.com>
>
>
>
> There's probably something changed in the Thunderbird settings that
> happened with the last update.  I can probably change it back to the
> previous settings if I do a google lookup.  I just have to remember to
> use the Reply List rather than the Reply button.
>
> On 5/28/2017 5:55 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
>> I have not changed the list settings, PJ. I don't know if Thunderbird
>> has done something new without looking at their release notes, but
>> "reply list" works fine.
>>
>> If necessary, I can set the software to only include the list
>> address, stripping out the original sender address, but we've run OK
>> without that for many years, and it may wonk up some users' reply
>> settings.
>>
>> On 5/28/17 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
>>> So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the
>>> list software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of
>>> replies lately that seem to have been sent directly to the
>>> originating persons email rather than to the list.  I haven't
>>> changed what I've been doing but now I have to remember to click
>>> reply list.  I really hate when crap like that happens.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Fwd: Re: Really annoying new behavior

[P. J. Alling]

There I forgot to hit reply to list...



 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Re: Really annoying new behavior
Date:   Sun, 28 May 2017 21:52:35 -0400
From:   P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>
To: Doug Brewer <d...@dougbrewerphoto.com>



There's probably something changed in the Thunderbird settings that
happened with the last update.  I can probably change it back to the
previous settings if I do a google lookup.  I just have to remember to
use the Reply List rather than the Reply button.

On 5/28/2017 5:55 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
I have not changed the list settings, PJ. I don't know if Thunderbird 
has done something new without looking at their release notes, but 
"reply list" works fine.


If necessary, I can set the software to only include the list address, 
stripping out the original sender address, but we've run OK without 
that for many years, and it may wonk up some users' reply settings.


On 5/28/17 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list 
software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of replies 
lately that seem to have been sent directly to the originating 
persons email rather than to the list.  I haven't changed what I've 
been doing but now I have to remember to click reply list.  I really 
hate when crap like that happens.







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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Jack Davis]

My Mt Hood replies to you, Ann, were
sent as "replies." I'm sure you're aware, but considering the odd list
behavior, wanted to clarify.

J


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 28, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Jack Davis <jdavi...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ann, all recent mail I've sent you has been "on list."
> 
> J
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "John" <sesso...@earthlink.net>
> To: "ann sanfedele" <ann...@nyc.rr.com>, "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> <pdml@pdml.net>
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:03:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Really annoying new behavior
> 
> I received this as a personal reply from Ann, with two "To:" headers
> Pentax-Discuss Mail List <p...@pdml.net>
> Me <sxxx...@earthlink.net>
> 
> I have not yet seen it come up on the PDML list.
> 
> I'm sending this reply as "Reply All" which gives me
> To: ann sanfedele <axx...@nyc.rr.com>
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <p...@pdml.net>
> 
> We'll see where it shows up.
> 
> (The "XXX" is so email addresses can't be harvested from the PDML
> archive if this gets through there.)
> 
> On list emails I have the choice of "Reply List", "Reply All" & "Reply".
> My default is set to "Reply" which so far does seem to make it show up
> on the PDML (unless I hit an Earthlink server that's being blacklisted
> by SpamEatingMonkey).
> 
>> On 5/28/2017 13:49, ann sanfedele wrote:
>> ok this is "reply all" let's try that..
>> the first mail i sent using "reply list" never showed up in my folder -
>> but my reply to list answering Larry did.
>> 
>> I haven't gotten private mail that was essentially lsit based except
>> from Jack - who really was writing me off list I think
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>>> On 5/28/2017 1:22 PM, John wrote:
>>>> On 5/28/2017 12:51, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>>> So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
>>>>> software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies
>>>>> lately
>>>>> that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
>>>>> rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
>>>>> I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
>>>>> that happens.
>>>> 
>>>> It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
>>>> person goes out to the whole list.
>>> 
>>> That's not what seems to be happening though. Instead, a reply to the
>>> whole list is turning in to a private reply.
>>> 
>>> I've gotten a few of them on the "Maybe getting a new laptop" thread.
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Fwd: Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Mark C]

And, DUH, I just sent that reply to PJ and not the list...


--- Forwarded Message 







Same thing here - defaults to sending replies to the poster and not the

list. Thunderbird update a few days ago and I suspect that is the culprit.


On 5/28/2017 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list 
software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of replies 
lately that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons 
email rather than to the list.  I haven't changed what I've been doing 
but now I have to remember to click reply list.  I really hate when 
crap like that happens.






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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Larry Colen]

Doug Brewer wrote:

I have not changed the list settings, PJ. I don't know if Thunderbird
has done something new without looking at their release notes, but
"reply list" works fine.

If necessary, I can set the software to only include the list address,
stripping out the original sender address, but we've run OK without that
for many years, and it may wonk up some users' reply settings.


Please do not do that.  It causes some really bad things to happen when 
people think that they are replying privately and it goes to everyone, 
because a lot of times mail clients will say that it it going to the 
individual, and set the email to the list.


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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Doug Brewer]

I have not changed the list settings, PJ. I don't know if Thunderbird 
has done something new without looking at their release notes, but 
"reply list" works fine.


If necessary, I can set the software to only include the list address, 
stripping out the original sender address, but we've run OK without that 
for many years, and it may wonk up some users' reply settings.


On 5/28/17 12:24 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list 
software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of replies 
lately that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons 
email rather than to the list.  I haven't changed what I've been doing 
but now I have to remember to click reply list.  I really hate when crap 
like that happens.





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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[ann sanfedele]

Yes I see those coming up -- but all of Jack's mail about Canyonlands 
and the such have come in only to me and not in the PDML folder..

when I replied I just hit reply to those...

in this reply to you, Dan, I'm doing "reply all"

Glad P.J. pointed out the annoyance with thunderbird

ann

On 5/28/2017 4:17 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Ann:

I can see at least two posts from you in this thread alone.


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On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:04 PM, ann sanfedele > wrote:


agreed :-)
but...  can you read me now?  I have yet to see my reply to list
of a few minutes ago show up - ugh

ann

On 5/28/2017 12:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something
or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of
replies lately
that seem to have been sent directly to the originating
persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been
doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when
crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply
to one person goes out to the whole list.






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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Daniel J. Matyola]

Ann:

I can see at least two posts from you in this thread alone.


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On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 1:04 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:

> agreed :-)
> but...  can you read me now?  I have yet to see my reply to list of a few
> minutes ago show up - ugh
>
> ann
>
> On 5/28/2017 12:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>
>>> So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
>>> software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies lately
>>> that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
>>> rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
>>> I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
>>> that happens.
>>>
>>
>> It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
>> person goes out to the whole list.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Jack Davis]

Ann, all recent mail I've sent you has been "on list."

J

- Original Message -
From: "John" <sesso...@earthlink.net>
To: "ann sanfedele" <ann...@nyc.rr.com>, "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
<pdml@pdml.net>
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 12:03:19 PM
Subject: Re: Really annoying new behavior

I received this as a personal reply from Ann, with two "To:" headers
Pentax-Discuss Mail List <p...@pdml.net>
Me <sxxx...@earthlink.net>

I have not yet seen it come up on the PDML list.

I'm sending this reply as "Reply All" which gives me
To: ann sanfedele <axx...@nyc.rr.com>
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <p...@pdml.net>

We'll see where it shows up.

(The "XXX" is so email addresses can't be harvested from the PDML
archive if this gets through there.)

On list emails I have the choice of "Reply List", "Reply All" & "Reply".
My default is set to "Reply" which so far does seem to make it show up
on the PDML (unless I hit an Earthlink server that's being blacklisted
by SpamEatingMonkey).

On 5/28/2017 13:49, ann sanfedele wrote:
> ok this is "reply all" let's try that..
> the first mail i sent using "reply list" never showed up in my folder -
> but my reply to list answering Larry did.
>
> I haven't gotten private mail that was essentially lsit based except
> from Jack - who really was writing me off list I think
>
> ann
>
> On 5/28/2017 1:22 PM, John wrote:
>> On 5/28/2017 12:51, Larry Colen wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> P. J. Alling wrote:
>>>> So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
>>>> software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies
>>>> lately
>>>> that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
>>>> rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
>>>> I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
>>>> that happens.
>>>
>>> It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
>>> person goes out to the whole list.
>>>
>>
>> That's not what seems to be happening though. Instead, a reply to the
>> whole list is turning in to a private reply.
>>
>> I've gotten a few of them on the "Maybe getting a new laptop" thread.
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Jostein]

Now that will take some getting used to...
Jostein

Den 28.05.2017 18.24, skrev P. J. Alling:
So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list 
software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of replies 
lately that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons 
email rather than to the list.  I haven't changed what I've been doing 
but now I have to remember to click reply list.  I really hate when crap 
like that happens.





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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[John]

I received this as a personal reply from Ann, with two "To:" headers
Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
Me 

I have not yet seen it come up on the PDML list.

I'm sending this reply as "Reply All" which gives me
To: ann sanfedele 
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 

We'll see where it shows up.

(The "XXX" is so email addresses can't be harvested from the PDML
archive if this gets through there.)

On list emails I have the choice of "Reply List", "Reply All" & "Reply".
My default is set to "Reply" which so far does seem to make it show up
on the PDML (unless I hit an Earthlink server that's being blacklisted
by SpamEatingMonkey).

On 5/28/2017 13:49, ann sanfedele wrote:

ok this is "reply all" let's try that..
the first mail i sent using "reply list" never showed up in my folder -
but my reply to list answering Larry did.

I haven't gotten private mail that was essentially lsit based except
from Jack - who really was writing me off list I think

ann

On 5/28/2017 1:22 PM, John wrote:

On 5/28/2017 12:51, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies
lately
that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
person goes out to the whole list.



That's not what seems to be happening though. Instead, a reply to the
whole list is turning in to a private reply.

I've gotten a few of them on the "Maybe getting a new laptop" thread.








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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[ann sanfedele]

ok this is "reply all" let's try that..
the first mail i sent using "reply list" never showed up in my folder - 
but my reply to list answering Larry did.


I haven't gotten private mail that was essentially lsit based except 
from Jack - who really was writing me off list I think


ann

On 5/28/2017 1:22 PM, John wrote:

On 5/28/2017 12:51, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies 
lately

that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
person goes out to the whole list.



That's not what seems to be happening though. Instead, a reply to the
whole list is turning in to a private reply.

I've gotten a few of them on the "Maybe getting a new laptop" thread.





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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[John]

On 5/28/2017 12:51, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies lately
that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one
person goes out to the whole list.



That's not what seems to be happening though. Instead, a reply to the
whole list is turning in to a private reply.

I've gotten a few of them on the "Maybe getting a new laptop" thread.


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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[ann sanfedele]

agreed :-)
but...  can you read me now?  I have yet to see my reply to list of a 
few minutes ago show up - ugh


ann

On 5/28/2017 12:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies lately
that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one 
person goes out to the whole list.










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Re: Really annoying new behavior

[Larry Colen]

P. J. Alling wrote:

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list
software is configured differently. I've sent a number of replies lately
that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons email
rather than to the list. I haven't changed what I've been doing but now
I have to remember to click reply list. I really hate when crap like
that happens.


It's so much more fun when what you think is a private reply to one 
person goes out to the whole list.







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Really annoying new behavior

[P. J. Alling]

So either Thunderbird has fixed or maybe broken something or the list 
software is configured differently.  I've sent a number of replies 
lately that seem to have been sent directly to the originating persons 
email rather than to the list.  I haven't changed what I've been doing 
but now I have to remember to click reply list.  I really hate when crap 
like that happens.



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