Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades
Super Takumar doesn't count, but the SMC Takumar screwmount 135/2.5 I've not seen. Send a picture... Regards, Bob S. On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:03 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: I've never seen a screwmount 135/2.5 Takumar design. Well I'll have to take pictures then. : ) I've got two copies of the Super Takumar and one copy of the Version 2 Super-Multi-Coated Takumar (all 135mm f2.5). And I've got a SMCP (K) 135mm f2.5 on the way. I'm either going to sell the K or the Version 2, but not sure yet which. Kinda silly to have both. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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My guess is that among camera bodies the Pentax LX would probably be a contender for King of Silent Upgrades. On 7/25/2013 10:45 AM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Doesn't solve that problem. Now they just call you or email you with the same crap! Need your carpets cleaned? I'm thinking of getting another phone line/number that is auto forwarded to the caller ID of any incoming calls. Placing your number on the the Do Not Call list the FCC runs does absolutely no good. If you google one of the numbers that call, you will see websites that listed the number in 2009 as being in violation of the DNC law. On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:34 , Mark Roberts wrote: More likely 0% compliance. In my experience nothing clears a street faster than someone with a clipboard taking a survey. I'll walk blocks out of my way to avoid 'em. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Had to Google those two acronyms: Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete, Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t Agree With Are Bullstuff). On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interesting article, thanks for the link. It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact) *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html) Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other. http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Had to Google those two acronyms: Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete, Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t Agree With Are Bullstuff). On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks for the pointer, Aahz. If I read net comments much I really fear for humanity's future. Read them too much and I start to root for humanity's demise. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, but /we/ know. On 7/25/2013 11:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Interesting article, thanks for the link. It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact) *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html) Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other. http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Had to Google those two acronyms: Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete, Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t Agree With Are Bullstuff). On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:16 , Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the pointer, Aahz. If I read net comments much I really fear for humanity's future. Read them too much and I start to root for humanity's demise. Mark! Oh, Mark! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I loved this part: Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were announced . . . Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with, you can't do that, it's state law! -- Walt On 7/25/2013 10:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Interesting article, thanks for the link. It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact) *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html) Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other. http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Had to Google those two acronyms: Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete, Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t Agree With Are Bullstuff). On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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While attending College in Rhode Island, I used to approach people who were wearing a t-shirt with an out of state attraction, and say matter of factly You do know that under General Law paragraph X, wearing apparel that advertised an out of state attraction, or scenic wonder, was punishable by a fine of XX dollars, with a possible x number of days in jail. Amazingly a good number of out of state residents believed that I spoke the truth, almost all of the state residents did. On 7/25/2013 12:34 PM, Walt wrote: I loved this part: Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were announced . . . Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with, you can't do that, it's state law! -- Walt On 7/25/2013 10:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Interesting article, thanks for the link. It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact) *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html) Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other. http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Had to Google those two acronyms: Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete, Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t Agree With Are Bullstuff). On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Walt wrote: I loved this part: Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were announced . . . Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with, you can't do that, it's state law! Might be the same kid. Some people never learn. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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You probably could have gotten 100% compliance had you been carrying a clipboard. -- Walt On 7/25/2013 11:51 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: While attending College in Rhode Island, I used to approach people who were wearing a t-shirt with an out of state attraction, and say matter of factly You do know that under General Law paragraph X, wearing apparel that advertised an out of state attraction, or scenic wonder, was punishable by a fine of XX dollars, with a possible x number of days in jail. Amazingly a good number of out of state residents believed that I spoke the truth, almost all of the state residents did. On 7/25/2013 12:34 PM, Walt wrote: I loved this part: Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were announced . . . Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with, you can't do that, it's state law! -- Walt On 7/25/2013 10:12 AM, Darren Addy wrote: Interesting article, thanks for the link. It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact) *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html) Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other. http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Had to Google those two acronyms: Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete, Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t Agree With Are Bullstuff). On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/25/2013 12:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Walt wrote: I loved this part: Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were announced . . . Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with, you can't do that, it's state law! Might be the same kid. Some people never learn. True. Most of them just refine the edges of their bullshit over the years. -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Walt wrote: On 7/25/2013 11:51 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: While attending College in Rhode Island, I used to approach people who were wearing a t-shirt with an out of state attraction, and say matter of factly You do know that under General Law paragraph X, wearing apparel that advertised an out of state attraction, or scenic wonder, was punishable by a fine of XX dollars, with a possible x number of days in jail. Amazingly a good number of out of state residents believed that I spoke the truth, almost all of the state residents did. You probably could have gotten 100% compliance had you been carrying a clipboard. More likely 0% compliance. In my experience nothing clears a street faster than someone with a clipboard taking a survey. I'll walk blocks out of my way to avoid 'em. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 25 Jul 2013, at 18:34, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: You probably could have gotten 100% compliance had you been carrying a clipboard. More likely 0% compliance. In my experience nothing clears a street faster than someone with a clipboard taking a survey. I'll walk blocks out of my way to avoid 'em. They once commissioned a study to find out exactly how many blocks people were prepared to walk to avoid someone carrying a clipboard. Unfortunately they couldn't find any respondents. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Bob W wrote: On 25 Jul 2013, at 18:34, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: You probably could have gotten 100% compliance had you been carrying a clipboard. More likely 0% compliance. In my experience nothing clears a street faster than someone with a clipboard taking a survey. I'll walk blocks out of my way to avoid 'em. They once commissioned a study to find out exactly how many blocks people were prepared to walk to avoid someone carrying a clipboard. Unfortunately they couldn't find any respondents. Tranquilizer darts. It's the only humane way. -- Mark Roberts - Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nothing new with silent upgrades. They've been happening for years in the auto industry. Many reasons - cost reductions, product improvements, vendor changes, warranty reductions, process improvements, product competition Nothing to see here, move on Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com Subject: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Video game consoles...hell anything electronic has revisions over production runs. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: Nothing new with silent upgrades. They've been happening for years in the auto industry. Many reasons - cost reductions, product improvements, vendor changes, warranty reductions, process improvements, product competition Nothing to see here, move on Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com Subject: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/25/2013 3:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Bob W wrote: On 25 Jul 2013, at 18:34, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: You probably could have gotten 100% compliance had you been carrying a clipboard. More likely 0% compliance. In my experience nothing clears a street faster than someone with a clipboard taking a survey. I'll walk blocks out of my way to avoid 'em. They once commissioned a study to find out exactly how many blocks people were prepared to walk to avoid someone carrying a clipboard. Unfortunately they couldn't find any respondents. Tranquilizer darts. It's the only humane way. That makes it hard to tell the survey takers from the Collectors... -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The only Pentax 135mm that is better than the K135/2.5 is the A135/1.8. (Screwmount, original K mount, newer K, M, A, F or FA) Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting article, thanks for the link. It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact) *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html) Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other. http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Had to Google those two acronyms: Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete, Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t Agree With Are Bullstuff). On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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But the Version 2 of the last Takumar would have been its equal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: The only Pentax 135mm that is better than the K135/2.5 is the A135/1.8. (Screwmount, original K mount, newer K, M, A, F or FA) Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting article, thanks for the link. It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact) *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html) Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other. http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Had to Google those two acronyms: Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete, Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t Agree With Are Bullstuff). On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't know about that. The last version of the Takumar Screwmounts were carried on in the 1st versions of the K Mounts. The first K135/3.5 (52mm filter) is different from the later K135/2.5 (58mm filter). I've never seen a screwmount 135/2.5 Takumar design. There are some sad 135/2.8 bayonet mount 'Takumars', but without SMC coated glass. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: But the Version 2 of the last Takumar would have been its equal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: The only Pentax 135mm that is better than the K135/2.5 is the A135/1.8. (Screwmount, original K mount, newer K, M, A, F or FA) Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting article, thanks for the link. It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact) *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html) Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other. http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Had to Google those two acronyms: Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete, Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t Agree With Are Bullstuff). On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6 http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 7/25/2013 1:18 PM, Walt wrote: On 7/25/2013 12:00 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Walt wrote: I loved this part: Responses claimed with absolute certainty there were laws that prevented any changes once a lens was released unless they were announced . . . Reminds me of the kid in sixth grade who settled every argument with, you can't do that, it's state law! Might be the same kid. Some people never learn. True. Most of them just refine the edges of their bullshit over the years. -- Walt It don't matter how much you polish a turd. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The SMCP 135mm f 2.5 and SMCP 135mm f3.5 were both part of the lens line at the same time. A high/low option. One had the choice of the fast expensive lens of the slower bargain lens, I have examples of both, and both are excellent performers, with the build quality you'd expect from the original K series lenses, when inexpensive didn't didn't equal cheap. I also have one of the second version, of the SCMT 135mm f2.5, the same optical formula as the SMCP 135mm. I can't remember the differences between it and the earlier version, but I seem to remember finding the information on the AHOC web page, (I could be wrong about that I may have found that information elsewhere), and my copy definitely matched the later version. The SMCP 135mm f3.5 also was a carry over from the SMCT 135mm f3.5, which seems to have been a carry over without optical changes, except for the coatings and open aperture metering from the Super Takumar 135mm f3.5. On 7/25/2013 6:37 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: I don't know about that. The last version of the Takumar Screwmounts were carried on in the 1st versions of the K Mounts. The first K135/3.5 (52mm filter) is different from the later K135/2.5 (58mm filter). I've never seen a screwmount 135/2.5 Takumar design. There are some sad 135/2.8 bayonet mount 'Takumars', but without SMC coated glass. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: But the Version 2 of the last Takumar would have been its equal. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: The only Pentax 135mm that is better than the K135/2.5 is the A135/1.8. (Screwmount, original K mount, newer K, M, A, F or FA) Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:12 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting article, thanks for the link. It would seem that the optical change in the Super-Multi-Coated 135mm f2.5 from version 1 (5 elements in 4 groups) to version 2 (6 elements in 6 groups), the same optical design that was carried over to the first SMC K version) was an example of a silent change made by Pentax. They did change the Part Number (which dealers would have noticed, and you can find stamped in the little A/M switch) but many people are completely oblivious to the fact that these are (in fact) *completely* different lenses with the same name. (In this case it was an upgrade. The 6 element design (K) is one of the highest rated Pentax lenses... 9.31 out of 10 http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/SMC-Pentax-K-135mm-F2.5-Lens.html) Especially aggregious is the supposed Review Page on Pentax Forums for the lens, which groups the two optical designs together so you don't know if the reviewer is reviewing the one or the other. http://www.pentaxforums.com/lensreviews/Super-Multi-Coated-TAKUMAR-Super-Takumar-135mm-F2.5.html On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: Had to Google those two acronyms: Two of the common languages spoken on forums are CAKWAF (Complete, Absolute Knowledge Without Any Facts) and AFIDAWAB (Any Facts I Don’t Agree With Are Bullstuff). On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Roger Cicala of lensrentals.com talks about silent lens upgrades and makes a few snarky comments about the blogosphere along the way: http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/07/silent-changes (Figured this was only semi-OT given the recent discussion about lens differences.) -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * He's Quebecois. He puts mayonnaise on *everything*. --siob...@virulent.org -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- There are two kinds of computer users those who've experienced a hard drive failure, and those that will. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow
Re: Semi-OT: silent lens upgrades
On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote: I've never seen a screwmount 135/2.5 Takumar design. Well I'll have to take pictures then. : ) I've got two copies of the Super Takumar and one copy of the Version 2 Super-Multi-Coated Takumar (all 135mm f2.5). And I've got a SMCP (K) 135mm f2.5 on the way. I'm either going to sell the K or the Version 2, but not sure yet which. Kinda silly to have both. -- Photography is a Bastard left by Science on the Doorstep of Art - Peter Galassi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
