Re: Threading?
You are absolutely correct, and I am guilty of a major brainfart. I confused you with JCO. Jostein Den 16. august 2018 00.32.53 CEST, skrev jtainter : >Hmmm. I don't recall having such a habit. > >I've noticed for some time that unrelated posts or even threads will >suddenly pop up within a specific thread. I assume this is cuased by >some glitch in the software. > >Joe > > >-Original Message- >>From: Jostein >>Sent: Aug 15, 2018 11:07 AM >>To: pdml@pdml.net >>Cc: jtain...@mindspring.com >>Subject: Re: Threading? >> >>It's been like that for a long time, really. On and off. >>I don't know all the causes, but Joe Tainter's habit of starting new >>threads by replying to existing ones certainly adds to the confusion. >:-) >> >>Some mail clients, and some mail servers, seems to break the email >>metadata (message heads) too. Which leads to messages orphaned from >the >>rest of the tread. >> >>Jostein >> >> >>Den 11.08.2018 22:02, skrev John Sessoms: >>> Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just >me? >>> >>> Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely >different >>> topics. >>> >>> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Threading?
Back when I used to get PDML using the digests I was told it broke threading. But I don't think it arbitrarily inserted my replies into unrelated threads. On 8/15/2018 18:32, jtainter wrote: Hmmm. I don't recall having such a habit. I've noticed for some time that unrelated posts or even threads will suddenly pop up within a specific thread. I assume this is cuased by some glitch in the software. Joe -Original Message- From: Jostein Sent: Aug 15, 2018 11:07 AM To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: jtain...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Threading? It's been like that for a long time, really. On and off. I don't know all the causes, but Joe Tainter's habit of starting new threads by replying to existing ones certainly adds to the confusion. :-) Some mail clients, and some mail servers, seems to break the email metadata (message heads) too. Which leads to messages orphaned from the rest of the tread. Jostein Den 11.08.2018 22:02, skrev John Sessoms: Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me? Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different topics. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Threading?
Hmmm. I don't recall having such a habit. I've noticed for some time that unrelated posts or even threads will suddenly pop up within a specific thread. I assume this is cuased by some glitch in the software. Joe -Original Message- >From: Jostein >Sent: Aug 15, 2018 11:07 AM >To: pdml@pdml.net >Cc: jtain...@mindspring.com >Subject: Re: Threading? > >It's been like that for a long time, really. On and off. >I don't know all the causes, but Joe Tainter's habit of starting new >threads by replying to existing ones certainly adds to the confusion. :-) > >Some mail clients, and some mail servers, seems to break the email >metadata (message heads) too. Which leads to messages orphaned from the >rest of the tread. > >Jostein > > >Den 11.08.2018 22:02, skrev John Sessoms: >> Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me? >> >> Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different >> topics. >> >> -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Threading?
It's been like that for a long time, really. On and off. I don't know all the causes, but Joe Tainter's habit of starting new threads by replying to existing ones certainly adds to the confusion. :-) Some mail clients, and some mail servers, seems to break the email metadata (message heads) too. Which leads to messages orphaned from the rest of the tread. Jostein Den 11.08.2018 22:02, skrev John Sessoms: Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me? Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different topics. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Threading?
At 09:32 PM 8/11/2018, Subash Jeyan wrote: >... probably because he starts a new thread by replying to an existing thread >and changing the subject, which i'll admit is as much a valid way of starting >new threads as any other ... It is not a valid way of starting new threads because the message with the changed subject and all replies to it remain part of the original thread. Email headers contain a variety of information, and changing the subject field does not change the references field upon which threading and archiving depend. The only way to start a new thread is to write an entirely new message with the new subject (unless one is an IT geek who fully understands headers and how to edit them to fool the mailing list software, and even for an IT geek it is easier to just create a new message). As far as the email software is concerned changing the subject affects nothing because the software does not parse the subject field to determine threading, it parses the references field to determine threading. Dale H. Cook, many years as 35mm SLR photographer, now Pentax K-70 w/ Pentax-DA 18-270mm walking- around lens or SMC Pentax-A 50mm/f2 lens -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Threading?
On 8/11/2018 21:32, Subash Jeyan wrote: i did. mostly new threads started by one particular member messes up the threading, probably because he starts a new thread by replying to an existing thread and changing the subject, which i'll admit is as much a valid way of starting new threads as any other. but it breaks the thread in mail clients such as mine which sort threads by subject. btw, i get none of your mails; they always end up in my gmail spam folder. i do see them when someone replies to your mail though. It's a known issue between Yahoo & Gmail. Yahoo broke something to do with mailing lists. Gmail can't cope. You can create a filter in Gmail to tell it not to send emails to SPAM. Create a new contact in Gmail for johnsessoms at yahoo dot com Then go into Gmail settings and create a filter from the new contact and select "Never send it to Spam". https://www.jotform.com/help/404-How-to-Prevent-Emails-from-Landing-in-Gmail-s-Spam-Folder I guess someone will have to reply to and quote this message in its entirety before Dan & Subash can see it. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Threading?
That's because you use Gmail & I'm having to use Yahoo. There's a known issue with Yahoo and Gmail not playing nice. Mostly Yahoo's fault, but Gmail is not entirely blameless. On 8/11/2018 17:48, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Postings from John Sessoms appear in my spam folder. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 5:16 PM, mike wilson wrote: I've noticed, in the last day or so, that I don't get original emails from JS, only replies. They don't even appear in my spam, as mails from a few others (including myself...) do regularly. On 11 August 2018 at 21:07 "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: I have not noticed that. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me? Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different topics. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- Science - Questions we may never find answers for. Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Threading?
i did. mostly new threads started by one particular member messes up the threading, probably because he starts a new thread by replying to an existing thread and changing the subject, which i'll admit is as much a valid way of starting new threads as any other. but it breaks the thread in mail clients such as mine which sort threads by subject. btw, i get none of your mails; they always end up in my gmail spam folder. i do see them when someone replies to your mail though. On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 16:07:22 -0400 "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > I have not noticed that. > > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, John Sessoms > wrote: > > > Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just > > me? > > > > Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely > > different topics. > > > > > > -- > > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > > Religion - Answers we must never question. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Threading?
Postings from John Sessoms appear in my spam folder. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 5:16 PM, mike wilson wrote: > I've noticed, in the last day or so, that I don't get original emails from > JS, only replies. They don't even appear in my spam, as mails from a few > others (including myself...) do regularly. > > > > On 11 August 2018 at 21:07 "Daniel J. Matyola" > wrote: > > > > > > I have not noticed that. > > > > > > Dan Matyola > > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, John Sessoms > wrote: > > > > > Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me? > > > > > > Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different > > > topics. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > > > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > PDML@pdml.net > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > > follow the directions. > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Threading?
I've noticed, in the last day or so, that I don't get original emails from JS, only replies. They don't even appear in my spam, as mails from a few others (including myself...) do regularly. > On 11 August 2018 at 21:07 "Daniel J. Matyola" wrote: > > > I have not noticed that. > > > Dan Matyola > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > > > Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me? > > > > Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different > > topics. > > > > > > -- > > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > > follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Threading?
I have not noticed that. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 4:02 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > Has anyone else noticed messed up threading on PDML? Or is it just me? > > Lately several topics appear threaded under other completely different > topics. > > > -- > Science - Questions we may never find answers for. > Religion - Answers we must never question. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Threading?
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OT - Test of Gmail threading
Just checking again. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Test of Gmail threading
who is this anon person anyway? 2010/5/20 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com: Just checking again. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Test of Gmail threading
Someone you don't know.
On 5/20/2010 3:59 PM, eckinator wrote:
who is this anon person anyway?
2010/5/20 Anthony Farrfarranth...@gmail.com:
Just checking again.
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Re: OT - Test of Gmail threading
What makes you so sure?
2010/5/20 P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com:
Someone you don't know.
On 5/20/2010 3:59 PM, eckinator wrote:
who is this anon person anyway?
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Re: OT - Test of Gmail threading
Just because...
On 5/20/2010 4:22 PM, eckinator wrote:
What makes you so sure?
2010/5/20 P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com:
Someone you don't know.
On 5/20/2010 3:59 PM, eckinator wrote:
who is this anon person anyway?
2010/5/20 Anthony Farrfarranth...@gmail.com:
Just checking again.
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Re: OT - Test of Gmail threading
Last name is Ymous Den 20. mai 2010 kl. 21.59 skrev eckinator: who is this anon person anyway? 2010/5/20 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com: Just checking again. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Test of Gmail threading
From: eckinator who is this anon person anyway? 2010/5/20 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com: Just checking again. regards, Anthony ? ?Of what use is lens and light ? ?to those who lack in mind and sight ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (Anon) Some guy named Al. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Test of Gmail threading
2010/5/21 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: From: eckinator who is this anon person anyway? 2010/5/20 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com: Just checking again. regards, Anthony ? ?Of what use is lens and light ? ?to those who lack in mind and sight ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (Anon) Some guy named Al. I see the mighty Dodge sign bearing down on me... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: bullshit thread about threading threads
Maybe changing the subject of this thread will get it out of the PAW or WOW. It's just becoming blather and is serving no one any useful purpose. As for your previous subject line (Re: wow for the pda users, for walkden, wow. pow wow, pee wee prickly paw paw, how now bow wow dun cow) ... well, I guess you must be trying to make a point ... Anders Hultman wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, Bob W wrote: If the dates and times are working properly then that's all you need. The replies must have come after the first post. Sort by subject and date/time. You could even better sort by thread. Each message should have a In-Reply-To-header that tells which mail it is a reply to, regardless of subject changes.
Re: Mike:Email Threading
Lawrence Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Using] Sort by Threads [...] all Mike's responses would appear as a new thread, instead of following the post he was replying to. Yup. Same here. Annoying. I found that the Reference: field header (which has the message ID of the email you are replying to in order to sort the emails into threads) was missing in your emails. That's the reason. The References: header is not formally required for email (it's a USENET News thing), so some email software doesn't generate it. It's a bloody good idea, though, which is why most email software does. :-) Or could it be a problem with my email program instead? Nope. -tih -- Tom Ivar Helbekkmo, Senior System Administrator, EUnet Norway www.eunet.no T: +47-22092958 M: +47-93013940 F: +47-22092901
Re: Mike:Email Threading
Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think [the mis-threading is] because I read, and respond to, the Digest. Thus when I respond to a thread, I have to manually title the reply. That probably breaks the chain. Aha -- yeah, that would do it. In most of the other cases I've seen, though, it's a missing feature of the email software used. It's very tempting to simply re-title each reply, but people complain when I do that, so now I try to copy the existing thread title and paste it in. Please keep doing that. Keeping the subject intact at least makes your new posting a new sub-thread of the main one. Do change the subject when you totally are, though. :-) -tih -- Tom Ivar Helbekkmo, Senior System Administrator, EUnet Norway www.eunet.no T: +47-22092958 M: +47-93013940 F: +47-22092901
Re: Mike:Email Threading
That's the reason. The References: header is not formally required for email (it's a USENET News thing), so some email software doesn't generate it. It's a bloody good idea, though, which is why most email software does. :-) I use MS Entourage, which came bundled with the MS Word that a client bought for me because he wanted an editing project done in Word. As soon as I get my eMac and go all System OSX native, I'll be using the e-mail software built in to OSX. Maybe that will do better. Sorry again for the unintentional annoyance. (For that matter, sorry for the intentionally annoying bits, too. s) --Mike
Re: Mike:Email Threading (was Re: Three Tips and an Announcement)
Not sure if this happens to other people, but my email program is not able to sort Mike's emails. So all Mike's responses would appear as a new thread, instead of following the post he was replying to. Sorry, Mike, I did not mean to pick on you :-) A few other posters' emails behave the same way. Just that your emails are on my always read list, that's why I find it so noticeable. Lawrence, I think that's because I read, and respond to, the Digest. Thus when I respond to a thread, I have to manually title the reply. That probably breaks the chain. It's very tempting to simply re-title each reply, but people complain when I do that, so now I try to copy the existing thread title and paste it in. --Mike
Re: Mike:Email Threading (was Re: Three Tips and an Announcement)
All email programs seem to have their own way of recognising threads, but none I have encountered so far have a 100% hit rate. Best, Jostein === At 2003-02-04, 00:40:00 you wrote: === On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Mike Johnston wrote: Finally, I'm pleased to report that my weekly column, The Sunday Morning Photographer, has just been picked up by photo.net First, congratulations! I am glad that a wider audience can now enjoy your column. Here's an unrelated topic. To handle the large volume of this list, I use Sort by Threads to select the topics I am interested in. Not sure if this happens to other people, but my email program is not able to sort Mike's emails. So all Mike's responses would appear as a new thread, instead of following the post he was replying to. Sorry, Mike, I did not mean to pick on you :-) A few other posters' emails behave the same way. Just that your emails are on my always read list, that's why I find it so noticeable. I found that the Reference: field header (which has the message ID of the email you are replying to in order to sort the emails into threads) was missing in your emails. I am not familiar with Entourage, so I do not know if there is a setting you can change. Anyone else who have noticed this problem? Or could it be a problem with my email program instead? -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4-- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Best regards. Jostein http://oksne.net 2003-02-04
Re: Mike:Email Threading (was Re: Three Tips and an Announcement)
On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 03:01 AM, Mike Johnston wrote: It's very tempting to simply re-title each reply, but people complain when I do that, so now I try to copy the existing thread title and paste it in. --Mike And it's a much appreciated change. Dan Scott
Mike:Email Threading (was Re: Three Tips and an Announcement)
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Mike Johnston wrote: Finally, I'm pleased to report that my weekly column, The Sunday Morning Photographer, has just been picked up by photo.net First, congratulations! I am glad that a wider audience can now enjoy your column. Here's an unrelated topic. To handle the large volume of this list, I use Sort by Threads to select the topics I am interested in. Not sure if this happens to other people, but my email program is not able to sort Mike's emails. So all Mike's responses would appear as a new thread, instead of following the post he was replying to. Sorry, Mike, I did not mean to pick on you :-) A few other posters' emails behave the same way. Just that your emails are on my always read list, that's why I find it so noticeable. I found that the Reference: field header (which has the message ID of the email you are replying to in order to sort the emails into threads) was missing in your emails. I am not familiar with Entourage, so I do not know if there is a setting you can change. Anyone else who have noticed this problem? Or could it be a problem with my email program instead? -- --Lawrence Kwan--SMS Info Service/Ringtone Convertor--PGP:finger/www-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vex.net/~lawrence/ -Key ID:0x6D23F3C4--
