[PEN-L:12964] Re: talk on teachers

1999-10-26 Thread michael perelman

Michael, only one small point.  Thanks in part to Nathan Newman #6 was killed.

Michael Yates wrote:

 6.  The California State University system is preparing to "hand control
 of its inter-campus computer and telecommunications system to a private
 consortia managed by Microsoft and its hardware allies, GTE, Hughes, and
 Fujitsu."  This privatization of public education is fueled by the same
 forces that have led to the privatization of all sorts of public
 services from garbage collection to prisons to college food services and
 campus police.


--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]





[PEN-L:12962] Re: The Internet Anti-Fascist: Tuesday,19 Oct 1999 -- 3:85(#343)

1999-10-26 Thread Paul Kneisel

Charles Brown's message on this thread illustrates one of the key issues
we're up against. I think Brown's error inadvertent, for his conclusion
"Ban the Klan" is much closer to English and Continental legal views.

He wrote:

"As a matter of fact, the vast majority of lawyers have the same position
that Max and Jim have on this: that the First Amendment protects KKK rights
to speech and assembly. Lawyers are indoctrinated with this position in
Constitutional Law classes in law school.  What you enunciate below is a
typical lawyers's position. The ACLU has a typical lawyer's position on
this issue. I can't think of one lawyer who agrees with me on banning the
KKK. 

"The ACLU and liberals always advocate a counterdemonstration, but they
never organize one."

Corrections, I think, are as follows:

1) "right of free speech and assembly"

This is a limited set of rights. "Free speech" does not hold when there is
a "clear and present danger" doctrine. Calling for crimes nationally
against minorities when rightwing forces are committing such crimes is one
argument against *absolute* free speech; that fascist organizing for
criminal activity occurs today under the clear/danger exception.

A similar exception holds for "assembly." One may assemble in order to
commit crimes; the right to assemble does not protect the criminal
conspiracy. A classic case was the 1950s Mafia conference in upstate NY.

In this sense we can argue that the Klan is a criminal conspiracy and that
a Klan rally is another form of organizing for that conspiracy. In this
case, neither issues of speech or assembly apply.

2) "I can't think of one lawyer who agrees with me"

This reflects a chauvinistic position towards law. Too many people treat
the U.S. Constitution as binding on the world and U.S. legal thinking as
the only valid thought internationally.

However, there are two other dominant systems: the English/Common and
Napoleonic/Continental law. Let us not forget them when we argue broad
issues of ethics and morality as opposed to narrow issues of U.S. law.

And, yes, lots of lawyers would agree with C. Brown; e.g. the "Klan" *is*
banned in Germany; Canada has strict laws of organizing to whip up hatred,
etc.

(Again, please note that I am not accusing Brown of "chauvinism;" his
position on the Klan shows he is innocent; it is only his expression of
arguments that reflect this.)

3) "The ACLU and liberals always advocate a counterdemonstration, but they
never organize one."

This is substantially correct, but I believe Norm Seigel of the NY Civil
Liberties Union helped organize the noon Democratic Party demo against the
Klan.

The standard civil libertarian argument is "the answer to bad speech is not
censorship but good speech and more of it."

Historically, one finds a lot of people saying this to counter anti-fascist
organizing but very few organizing the "good speech." I faced this when we
smashed fascist organizing efforts to create their special white-power
music group on Usenet. My standard response to these civil libertarians is
"that answer to people who want to censor bad speech is to actually
organize good speech and more of it instead of telling them that it is the
answer."

Reality is even worse, here, then Brown wrote. Unfortunately, many people
maintain that when the Klan urges that Blacks be lynched this does not
violate the rights of the victims but is instead "free speech." At the same
time, they maintain that anti-lynching protests are improper and are not
"free speech" for they violate that same "free speech" right for the Klan.

This points to a failure in our organizing and a need for additional
theoretical and agitational work.

In closing, I share Brown's sentiment to "ban the Klan." But in arguing
with people I think it more effective to attack the notion that the Klan is
a criminal enterprise (like a corporation that uses slave labor) and can be
prosecuted as such; thus "speech" and "assembly" are inapplicable terms.

By way of example, one might recite the Ten Commandments while reciting a
rape. Arresting the rapist would necessarily limit his ability to so
recite. But few would argue that the arrest could not take place or that
rape could not be criminalized because it violated "freedom of religion."

  --  tallpaul
  editor: The Internet Anti-Fascist





[PEN-L:12940] Re: Re: Re: Know Your Yids c.

1999-10-26 Thread Michael Hoover

 Christianity however is widely corrupting across all sectors of the 
 population
 and any blunting of its force  would translate almost immediately into
 increased political possibility.
 Carrol

Marx, _Capital, vol. 1:
'The religious world is but the reflex of the real world.  And for a
society based upon the production of commodities, in which the producers
in general enter in social relations with one another by treating their
products as commodities and values, whereby they reduce their individual
private labour to the standard of homogeneous human labour - for such a
society, Christianity with its *cultus* of abstract man, more especially
in its bourgeois developments, Protestantism, deism, etc., is the most
fitting form of religion.   Michael Hoover





[PEN-L:12941] Re: Elections in Argentina (posted to theMarxism list)

1999-10-26 Thread Chris Burford

I thought de la Rua, who was indeed victorious, signalled support for small
and medium businesses. This alliance appears therefore to represent a
united front of classes and strata that does not explicitly invite the
multinationals to wipe their feet on the Argentinan economy.

De la Rua has just been visited by the leader of the Chilean socialist
party with signals of joint cooperation. Is this not a positive move that
the centre left in South America may be finding ways to win elections and
to resist the globalisation of the multi-nationals.

Of course this is not the pure marxism that prefers to submit blank polling
slips in the hope of starting a new movement that may be revolutionary, but
then again, may just be pure. Not all views within marxism think political
purity and the avoidance of compromise, are hallmarks of marxism.


Chris Burford

London





[PEN-L:12945] Re: Re: Elections in Argentina

1999-10-26 Thread michael perelman

I second Rod's alert.

Rod Hay wrote:

 Another personal attack starting.

 Original Message Follows
 From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Burford is the spin doctor for all these compromised left and liberal
 formations.

 You are as much of a Marxist as Anthony Giddens.

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[PEN-L:12949] BLS Daily Report

1999-10-26 Thread Richardson_D

BLS DAILY REPORT, MONDAY, OCTOBER 25, 1999

Regional and state unemployment rates in the United States were stable in
September, with all regions reporting little or no change from August, the
Bureau of Labor Statistics reports.  The national unemployment rate was
unchanged at 4.2 percent. Nonfarm employment rose in 28 states and the
District of Columbia and declined in 22 states.  Changes in nonfarm
employment were small, however -- 34 states posted a monthly shift of 0.2
percentage point or less. ...  (Daily Labor Report, page D-1).

More job opportunities have been created for women in the past 2 decades,
but they still earn two-thirds of what men make, a United Nations report
said late last week.  The 1999 World Survey on the Role of Women in
Development will provide fodder for next year's General Assembly review of
progress since the 1995 U.N. women's conference. ...  The report said the
trend for companies to branch out globally has given more women employment
opportunities. ...  The survey, which is published every 5 years, showed
that in the U.S., El Salvador, and Sri Lanka, wage gaps between men and
women have narrowed.  The reason:  Increases in trade and international
competition in the past 20 years eroded well-paying blue-collar wages in
industries where men were once the well-entrenched insiders, the report
said.  But in countries such as Japan, Singapore, Taiwan, and Myanmar, wage
gaps between men and women have widened.  The report said women suffered
most in the Asian economic crisis. ...  (Wall Street Journal, page B23A).

For most Americans, college remains affordable, according to a graph in USA
Today (page 1A).  More than half of the students who were attending a 4-year
institution during 1999 to 2000 paid less than $4,000 in tuition and fees.
Almost three-quarters pay tuition of less than $8,000. The percentages given
show 51 percent pay under $4,000; 21 percent, $4,000 to $7,999; 6 percent,
$8,000 to $11,999; 8 percent, $12,000 to $15,999; and 7 percent, $20,000 and
over in tuition and fees.  Source of the data is The College Board.


 application/ms-tnef


[PEN-L:12956] rain Chiapas

1999-10-26 Thread Jim Devine

does anyone know what the impact of recent disastrous rains in Mexico has 
been on Chiapas, the power of the Zapatistas, or the political situation in 
general?

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/JDevine.html





[PEN-L:12960] Re: Wood on Brenner on Market Dependence

1999-10-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi

Jim wrote:
The key sentence above is "A tenant could, for instance, remain in
possession of land, but his survival and his tenure could nonetheless be
subject to market imperatives, whether he employed wage labor or was
himself the direct producer." The problem with this statement is that _if
the tenant has possession of the land_, what keeps him or her from using
some of this land to grow the crops needed to produce subsistence, "the
means of self-reproduction"?

A lot of farmers -- especially small ones -- have followed the path of
risk-avoiding survival-oriented self-subsistence. They may eventually
decide that they don't like the kind of poverty life-style this implies in
the long run (as farms that do specialize and accumulate become richer),
but they do have the option of opting out in the short to medium run.

So, maybe your disagreement with Wood is not so much about her basic
narrative as whether you focus on the long or short run?  What are
necessary inputs for self-reproduction are historically created (both
objectively and subjectively), right?  So, as long as the market shapes our
environment and expectations, aren't we "subject to market imperatives"?

Yoshie





[PEN-L:12961] Re: Re: Re: BLS Daily Report

1999-10-26 Thread Ken Hanly

If someone said that "high school" is affordable to most Americans that
would probably be found quite unacceptable. Why is it that the state's
obligation to provide education to everyone who can benefit does not extend
to post-secondary education?University should be free, as it is in Cuba. I
don't know what the situation in Europe is but I expect in many countries
tuition is less than in the US or paid for by the state. In the former USSR
it seems to me I recall that students used to complain about their living
expenses!
  Cheers, Ken Hanly


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Tuition might be affordable, but in my classes I would guess the typical
 student works 15 to 20 hours a week.  This outside work has increased
 enormously in the past two decades and represents the chief cause in the
 decline in what we can teach in a typical semester.
  -- Michael Perelman
 Economics Department
 California State University
 Chico, CA 95929

 Tel. 530-898-5321
 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]






[PEN-L:12959] Dogmatism (was Re: Know Your Yids (sic) c.)

1999-10-26 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi

Jim D. wrote:
We should also note that any kind of dogmatism -- including Marxist
dogmatism -- represents a "widely corrupting" force.

The problem is that the definition of dogmatism is basically subjective, as
most people use the term.  When someone holds forth what we think of as a
wrong or incorrect position, we say, "he's dogmatic."  When someone's view
agrees with ours (even if it is expressed with a sense of certitude  even
worded in a way that may be off-putting to others), we say, "right on,
brother!"  And noone notices his or her own 'dogmatism.'  We only notice
'other people's dogmatism.'

Yoshie





[PEN-L:12958] Re: Wood on Brenner on Market Dependence

1999-10-26 Thread Rod Hay

Try the Poverty of Philosophy.


Jim Devine asked:

(Does anyone know _where_ Marx said that worker co-ops could end up
exploiting themselves?)

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[PEN-L:12955] Wood on Brenner on Market Dependence

1999-10-26 Thread Jim Devine

As usual, I'm way behind pen-l on this (though I think it was lbo-talk that 
discussed this article). I finally got to read Ellen Meiksins Wood's 
article "the Politics of Capitalism," from MONTHLY REVIEW, September 1999.

Her article goes beyond the usual description of how markets constrain and 
shape individuals. Following Brenner (she says), we should treat market 
dependence as a force independent of proletarianization in encouraging 
capitalist-type behavior: " market-dependence, and the imperatives of 
competition  that went with it, did not depend on the complete separation 
of the producers from the means of production. The essential condition was 
the separation from the means of subsistence, the means of 
self-reproduction [i.e., dependence on the market for consumption goods]. A 
tenant could, for instance, remain in possession of land, but his survival 
and his tenure could nonetheless be subject to market imperatives, whether 
he employed wage labor or was himself the direct producer. This kind of 
market-dependence  was a cause of complete dispossession, a cause, not a 
result, of the expropriation of the English peasantry [Marx's primitive 
accumulation]. People in possession of land were driven off the land not 
just by direct coercion but also by the operation of economic [i.e., 
market] forces, the forces of an increasingly competitive market. So a mass 
proletariat was the result, not the cause, of those market imperatives." 
(p. 22)

She goes further to point to the market as a "discipliner" and a 
"regulator" of the activity of countries and worker-controlled firms, 
encouraging her to reject all types of market socialism. She makes the 
valid point that workers under capitalism should expect economic crisis 
whether they struggle or not. Thus that they shouldn't hold back from the 
struggle in fear of stimulating a crisis (though unfortunately she says 
nothing about the tactics or strategy needed). I agree with most if not all 
of her political conclusions.

It's interesting that MONTHLY REVIEW has shifted from excessive emphasis on 
monopoly (exemplified by Baran  Sweezy's MONOPOLY CAPITAL in 1964) to 
excessive emphasis on competition (seen above). I wish Wood had paid 
attention to the various ways in which markets are less than perfect, so 
that market forces are not totally constraining. For example, Howard 
Botwinnick book argues that workers can capture the technological and 
monopoly  rents that capitalists usually appropriate.  But Wood portrays 
the market almost as a Weberian iron cage.

But that's not what concerns me here. Rather, I just do not believe Wood's 
basic story. (If it is an accurate portrayal of Brenner's view, I am not 
the Brenner-clone that Louis P. and Jim B. seem to think I am.)

The key sentence above is "A tenant could, for instance, remain in 
possession of land, but his survival and his tenure could nonetheless be 
subject to market imperatives, whether he employed wage labor or was 
himself the direct producer." The problem with this statement is that _if 
the tenant has possession of the land_, what keeps him or her from using 
some of this land to grow the crops needed to produce subsistence, "the 
means of self-reproduction"?

A lot of farmers -- especially small ones -- have followed the path of 
risk-avoiding survival-oriented self-subsistence. They may eventually 
decide that they don't like the kind of poverty life-style this implies in 
the long run (as farms that do specialize and accumulate become richer), 
but they do have the option of opting out in the short to medium run.

Thus, the market does not automatically impose a logic of accumulation that 
Wood suggests it does. Worker-controlled co-ops need not convert themselves 
into capitalist ones, despite market dependence. It does seem likely that 
they'll remain small. Worker-controlled firms may end up subordinated 
subcontractors to capital, perhaps "exploiting  themselves" (as Wood says 
Marx said) in a way that profits capital. But market competition need not 
mean a conversion to full-scale capitalism, even though it limits the 
ability of worker-controlled co-ops to socialist ideals. BTW, the co-op 
form itself encourages less-that-full fulfillment of socialist ideals, 
because it spurs their membership to be exclusive, organized very much like 
a college fraternity. (The former Yugoslavia created an institutional 
framework to avoid this result, as I'm sure Paul Phillips will point out. 
But the point remains that such a framework was needed.)

(Does anyone know _where_ Marx said that worker co-ops could end up 
exploiting themselves?)

Similarly, Cuba's immersion in the world market doesn't mean that it 
automatically becomes fully capitalist (even with all the nastiness that 
the US has thrown that country's way). (As Michael P. notes, Cuba has 
pursued clearly non-capitalist techniques in agriculture. One can point to 
Cuban government authoritarianism, but that 

[PEN-L:12954] From Henry Liu

1999-10-26 Thread Louis Proyect

Louis,

Please post this on the Marxism list, LBO and Pen-l.  It is an example of the
struggle going on in influencing Chinese economic policy.  Sorry I am too busy
to be a subscriber.  Hope to be able to return after a while.

The full name of Jainyi is omitted because he used to be a Foreign Ministry
official.

Regards,

Henry
*

Henry:

I completely agree with you.  In my article delivered to one of the members
of the standing committee of the politbureau of CPC in last
April, I explained with ample examples and history of state-owned
enterprises both in China and West (including the US and western
european countries), and with theories, too, that the success of an
enterprise has nothing to do with the ownership structure but with the
corporate governance and management of the enterprise.  During my
approxmiately three years' of research, I discussed this issue with over
one hundred Chinese and foreign experts, scholars and managers, most of
them agreed with me after discussion.  I remember vividly my discussions
with a senior vice president of a Fortune 500 company and he agreed with
me.  I feel that the Chinese leaders are just trying to hide their
failure in managing the state-owned enterprises behind the so-called
reform theories.  Because they do not have the skill, knowledge and
courage needed to govern, improve and manage the state-owned
enterprises.  

The task we are facing now is how to make our views (which I think are
correct) known to the Chinese people and leaders.  We need to do
something.

Best regards.

Jianyi

--
From:  Henry C.K. Liu ¹ù¤l¥ú[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:  Monday, October 25, 1999 11:45 PM
Subject:  SOE Reform


The Decision on Some Major Issues Concerning the Reform and Development of
State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs) adopted by the Fourth Plenary Session of the
15th Central Committee of the Communist) Party of China (CPC)  made several
assumptions that may not necessarily be valid.

1)  It assumes that private corporations are more efficient than state-own
enterprises. This is not always true.
Experience in the US has shown that efficiency of an enterprise is the
result of good or bad management, rather than whether an enterprise is
publicly or privately owned.  Accountability for management must be present
in any enterprise.  It can be introduced regardless of the type of ownership.
Privatization is not a panacea.  Russia is full of examples where
privatization has resulted in total paralysis of many critical sectors of
the Russian economy.

2) It is a myth that market economy is more productive than centrally
planned economy.  That myth had been promoted by Reagan/Thatcher.  That
myth requires the exploitation of an underdeveloped third world to carry
the advanced economies.  As a developing economy, following market
fundamentalism will only condamn China to the rank of the exploited in the
US led globalization regime.

3) Private ownership is not socially benign.  Once a nation permits the
privatization of the means of production, the road to socialism becomes
obscure.  Privatization is not economically more efficient.  It only
appears so because private corporations are not required to assume social
responsibilities.

The Chinese state-owned enterprises need reform.  But it is doubtful that
privatization is the answer.  An accountable mangement system in which
managers are rewarded and punished according to performance is needed.
But that does not require private ownership.  There are many companies in
the US that operates on mutual ownership, owned by the customers, like a
cooperative.  A well-known example is the Prudential Insurance Company of
America, the 3rd largest insurance company in the US.

Henry

From the People's Daily

Establishment of Modern Enterprise System-Orientation of SOE Reform
  This article is written by Chen Qingtai on
what he has gained from studying the Decision of the Fourth Plenum of the
15th CPC Central Committee. The article runs in part as follows:
  The Decision on Some Major Issues Concerning
the Reform and Development of State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs) adopted by the
Fourth Plenary Session of the 15th Central Committee of the
Communist) Party of China (CPC) once again stresses: "Establishment of a
modern enterprise system is the inevitable requirement for the development of
socialized mass production and a market economy, the effective way for
integrating the system of public ownership with the market economy and the
orientation of the reform of State-owned enterprises."
  Problems Needed to Be Resolved in the
Establishment of a Modern Enterprise System
  1. Realizing the separation of ownership from
the property right of the enterprise's legal person, enabling the
enterprise 

[PEN-L:12953] de la Rúa: a low-key conservative

1999-10-26 Thread Louis Proyect

Comment / Lex (Financial Times) 

ARGENTINA: Victory for low-key conservative 

The victory of Fernando de la Rúa, a low-key conservative, in Argentina's
presidential elections is good for democracy in a country that has long
favoured flamboyant strongmen. Whether it will be enough to restore
international investors' faith in Argentina's economic prospects is less
clear.

In the short term, things are improving. Mr de la Rúa's commitment to
stability and the peso's one-to-one peg to the dollar are beyond question.
His fiscal stance may be even tougher than his predecessor's - necessarily
so, since Argentina's budget deficit will rise to about 2.5 per cent of
gross domestic product if left untamed. The new government is expected
rapidly to announce spending cuts and tax increases that should win warm
praise (and possibly more money, if needed) from the International Monetary
Fund. Happily, the economy appears to have bottomed out, though it will
still shrink by 3-4 per cent this year.

But the long-term outlook is less bright. Without an absolute majority in
Congress and two-thirds of the provinces controlled by the defeated
Peronists, Mr de la Rúa may have trouble pushing through necessary labour
and tax reforms. A new revenue-sharing agreement with the spendthrift
provinces is also needed. Yet without structural progress, Argentina will
find it harder to persuade investors to stump up $17bn next year to cover
its external financing needs. Meanwhile, with a tightening fiscal policy
and no flexibility to cut interest rates due to the dollar link, recovery
from recession is likely to be anaemic. Argentina's growth, at around 2 per
cent next year, will be half that of Mexico or Brazil. There are more
attractive markets in Latin America. 


Louis Proyect

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[PEN-L:12952] Re: Re: BLS Daily Report

1999-10-26 Thread Doug Henwood

William S. Lear wrote:

Is there information available as to the increases in tuition at
various levels over, say, the past 20 years?

See http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/Digest97/d97t312.html. Full listing of 
tables is at http://nces.ed.gov/pubs/Digest97/listtables.html.

Doug





[PEN-L:12951] Re: Re: BLS Daily Report

1999-10-26 Thread michael

Tuition might be affordable, but in my classes I would guess the typical
student works 15 to 20 hours a week.  This outside work has increased
enormously in the past two decades and represents the chief cause in the
decline in what we can teach in a typical semester.
 -- Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]





[PEN-L:12950] Re: BLS Daily Report

1999-10-26 Thread William S. Lear

On Tuesday, October 26, 1999 at 12:11:05 (-0400) Richardson_D writes:
...
For most Americans, college remains affordable, according to a graph
in USA Today (page 1A).  More than half of the students who were
attending a 4-year institution during 1999 to 2000 paid less than
$4,000 in tuition and fees.  Almost three-quarters pay tuition of less
than $8,000. The percentages given show 51 percent pay under $4,000;
21 percent, $4,000 to $7,999; 6 percent, $8,000 to $11,999; 8 percent,
$12,000 to $15,999; and 7 percent, $20,000 and over in tuition and
fees.  Source of the data is The College Board.

Is there information available as to the increases in tuition at
various levels over, say, the past 20 years?


Bill





[PEN-L:12948] Re: South African nukes

1999-10-26 Thread Patrick Bond

Yes indeed, SA's nukes were destroyed by FW de Klerk's regime, 
in 1992 I believe. It was probably out of fear that the ANC was too 
close to Libya and Cuba. But who knows what really went on... 
(SA exploded a nuke in 1979.) (The country's nuclear energy 
reactor, near Cape Town, which was a front for the nuke 
programme, remains...) 

(Shall we talk chemicals weapons, next?)

(And Mandela? Anything to raise export revenues, including gun 
sales to Rwanda, DRC, Algeria, Columbia and Turkey: just go go 
go. Gotta pay back the NY bankers who lent money to PW Botha, 
after all...)
 
 On 24 Oct 99, at 18:20, michael perelman wrote:
 
  I thought that SA disabled the weapons before the ANC took over.
  
  Jim Devine wrote:
  
   Before the abolition of apartheid in South Africa, it was pretty much known
   that the R of SA had nuclear weapons. Was this knowledge accurate? what is
   Mandela's attitude toward these nukes, if they exist? what is the SA
   state's attitude?
  
   Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   http://clawww.lmu.edu/Faculty/JDevine/JDevine.html
  
  --
  Michael Perelman
  Economics Department
  California State University
  Chico, CA 95929
  
  Tel. 530-898-5321
  E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
Patrick Bond
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] * phone:  2711-614-8088
home:  51 Somerset Road, Kensington 2094 South Africa
work:  University of the Witwatersrand
Graduate School of Public and Development Management
PO Box 601, Wits 2050, South Africa
email:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[PEN-L:12946] Re: RE: Re: Know Your Yids c.

1999-10-26 Thread Mathew Forstater

Another good Israeli source on Zionism, Palestine, and related issues
besides Shahak is Moshe Menuhin (father of the violinist Yehudi Menuhin).
One of his books is called The Stifling and Smearing of a Dissenter (also
published as Jewish Critics of Zionism), and another is The Decadence of
Judaism in Our Time.  Some good work has been done analyzing
Israel/Palestine from a Marxian reserve army of unemployed framework, with
"race"/"ethnicity"/religion/nationality/etc. mediating hierarchies among
workers.  A truly mind boggling story.  I can dig up the references and my
notes if anyone is interested.  Unbelievably little on this in the "radical
political economy" literature, at least in the U.S. Mat





[PEN-L:12944] Re: Elections in Argentina

1999-10-26 Thread Rod Hay

Another personal attack starting.

Original Message Follows
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Burford is the spin doctor for all these compromised left and liberal 
formations.

You are as much of a Marxist as Anthony Giddens.






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[PEN-L:12943] Elections in Argentina (posted to the Marxism list)

1999-10-26 Thread Louis Proyect

Burford wrote:
I thought de la Rua, who was indeed victorious, signalled support for small
and medium businesses. This alliance appears therefore to represent a
united front of classes and strata that does not explicitly invite the
multinationals to wipe their feet on the Argentinan economy.

De la Rua is a capitalist politician. Argentina is suffering from
capitalism. Socialists are opposed to capitalism. Burford's training in
Stalinism whets his appetite for any bourgeois politician who utters
reformist formulas, from Blair to Clinton, to their Latin American
counterparts.

De la Rua has just been visited by the leader of the Chilean socialist
party with signals of joint cooperation. Is this not a positive move that
the centre left in South America may be finding ways to win elections and
to resist the globalisation of the multi-nationals.

The Chilean Socialist Party is not the party of Allended. It has virtually
pledged to continue Pinochet's "revolution" in the same manner that Clinton
has dedicated himself to continuing the Reagan "revolution". Burford is the
spin doctor for all these compromised left and liberal formations.

Of course this is not the pure marxism that prefers to submit blank polling
slips in the hope of starting a new movement that may be revolutionary, but
then again, may just be pure. Not all views within marxism think political
purity and the avoidance of compromise, are hallmarks of marxism.

You are as much of a Marxist as Anthony Giddens.

Louis Proyect

(The Marxism mailing list: http://www.panix.com/~lnp3/marxism.html)





[PEN-L:12930] Re: Northern progressive strategy

1999-10-26 Thread Chris Burford

It may be helpful to give another brief example of the stance of the
northern progressive organisations campaigning against neo-liberalism.

This is from the website of War against Want:

Certainly reformatory; not, I submit, reformist.

Chris Burford

London




[Extract from pamphlet on globalisation:]

Whose world is it anyway? 

In the last thirty years the world economy has been systematically
liberalised and deregulated. World markets have become dangerously out of
control. International bodies such as the WTO, IMF and UN have expanded
their role in world governance but have so far failed to regulate
globalisation. With transnationals more powerful than many nation-states
and currency speculation outstripping the means of central banks and the
IMF, answers must be found.

Regulation is the key. People must reclaim a stake in how the world is run.
Much depends on whether politicians are willing to mobilise and reform
these global institutions to make them effective and increase their
accountability. As long as they are instruments of the rich North they will
continue to serve only a small percentage of the globe.