Re: naming that system

2004-08-14 Thread Shane Mage
Michael A. Lebowitz wrote:
[Justin]:
Well, I don't want to get into this distraction on the Russian
question, but you could call the system bureaucratic collectivism
(Schachtman's term) or the command-administrative system (the
perestroichiki's term), or totalitarianism, or lots of things, but
the fact is we don't really have a good name for it.


How about the 'vanguard mode of production'?
Cf. Lebowitz,  'Kornai and the Vanguard Mode of Production' in
Cambridge Journal of Economics (May 2000).
Nope.  mode of production is an exclusively Marxist term and
concept,  and it signifies a whole epoch in the historical development
of conscious human labor characterized by a specific set of class
relations.  The reason that Schachtman was dead wrong was that
the Stalinist bureaucracy, which he fantasized as a historically
new *ruling class*, had no ability (or desire) to inaugurate a new
mode of production--its historical mission, now completed, was
to make prevalent and modern the capitalist mode of production
within the Great Russian Empire.
Incidentally, while Stalin, alas, was alive, I never heard any
of his  minions within, or acolytes without, the Russian Empire
dare to express anything but the greatest pride at the
appellation Stalinist.
Shane Mage
Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not
consent to be called
Zeus.
Herakleitos of Ephesos


Re: NJ gov.

2004-08-12 Thread Shane Mage
from what I hear, the problem was not so much the affair, as the revelation
that he's a friend of Dorothy.
dd
Who the hell is Dorothy?

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From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Michael
Perelman
Sent: 12 August 2004 21:49
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: NJ gov.
Why would an affair make him resign?  Is the Lt. Gov. a dem?
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu


Re: Kerry would have gone to war

2004-08-11 Thread Shane Mage
Michael Perelman writes:
The foreign policy difference between Bush  Kerry would probably be
that Kerry would be less likely to instigate crises, such as Haiti
-- maybe Venezuela, but faced with public pressure might react like
Bush, or even worse in order to prove that he is STRONG.

public pressure--this should be translated an orchestrated
media campaign, n'est-ce-pas?
Shane Mage
Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not
consent to be called
Zeus.
Herakleitos of Ephesos


Re: Looming natural gas shortages

2004-08-10 Thread Shane Mage
Louis Proyect writes:
Darley touches briefly on alternative sources of energy, such as
hydrogen, solar and wind, but discounts them as full-scale replacements
for oil and gas because their implementation is too expensive.
Nonsense.  Darley seems not to realize that hydrogen, which
must be produced, is not a source but a storage medium for
solar energy (of which wind is itself a natural storage medium).
Much worse, by saying that harnessing solar energy by means
of wind turbines or photovoltaic panels is too expensive, he
denies that there exist today huge quantities of unused or
misused resources that could be put to work right away--at little
or no sacrifice of socially necessary consumption--to provide
for all increases in electricity production while reducing steadily
the proportion of electric power derived from fossile fuel and
nuclear sources.  And this doesn't even begin to hint at the
cost reductions to be counted on from  economies of mass
production and from the scientific/technological progress always
produced by a very rapidly expanding new sphere of production.
If solar energy is too expensive for private capitalists today that
is merely one (more) illustration that the capitalist mode of
production has become a heavy fetter on the growth of the
social forces of production.  The solution is not rustication,
it is economic planning in preparation for the socialist transition
to communism.
Shane Mage
Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not
consent to be called
Zeus.
Herakleitos of Ephesos


Re: Economics and law

2004-08-10 Thread Shane Mage
CHARLES BROWN WROTE:
...Myself, I think the benefit of reducing the speed limit substantially (
maybe not to 5 miles per hour), and more safety features of the type you
mention would be worth it in the lives and injuries saved...
The French have reduced highway deaths by more than 25% over
the past year simply by enforcing existing speed limits (widespread
use of computer camera/radar automatic ticketing for speeding--
with very substantial fines)
Shane Mage
Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not
consent to be called
Zeus.
Herakleitos of Ephesos


Re: Loath by the rich: Why Hugo Chavez is heading for a stunning victory

2004-08-07 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: Loath by the rich: Why Hugo Chavez is heading
for


Michael Perelman writes:

Right wing polls show Chavez losing.
Isn't that correct, Michael L?
With the possibility of fraud, can we
really expect a victory?

Cheer up, Michael. Those polls are fixed or
downright inventions.
The actual news is of a massive popular mobilization for the
NO. 
Expect squeals of fraud from the routed
oligarchy.

Les
Gracchus du sud surgiront triomphales
Au grand dépit
des sbires imperiales

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not
consent to be called
Zeus.

Herakleitos of Ephesos



Re: Loath by the rich: Why Hugo Chavez is heading for a stunning victory

2004-08-07 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: Loath by the rich: Why Hugo Chavez is heading
for


See
VHeadline.com Venezuela

Right wing polls show Chavez loosing.
Isn't that correct, Michael L?
With the possibility of fraud, can we really expect a victory?


Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax 530-898-5901




Re: Tariq Ali on the US election

2004-08-06 Thread Shane Mage
Louis Proyect on Tariq Ali:
this is Browderism raised to the level of art.
No, its garden-variety Pabloism.
war in Iraq...is very much a neocon agenda,
dominated by the need to get the oil and appease the Israelis. (as
if Kerry wasn't gung-ho to appease the Isrealis!)




Nostradamus predicts...

2004-08-05 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Nostradamus predicts...


(Rediscovered Quatrain)

Les Gracchus du
sud surgiront triomphales
Au grand dépit des sbires imperiales
Bougrelas Ubu remplacera
Mais wirtschaft polnische restera

Michèl de Nôtre-Dame
(p.c.c. le petit poete)



Ooh! Ooh!! Helen!!!

2004-07-31 Thread Shane Mage
NY POST front-page headline:
PARIS: MY LOVER BEAT ME
La Guerre de Troie n'aura pas lieu


Dumbocrat tells the truth

2004-07-29 Thread Shane Mage
Dumbocrat candidate JFK just slipped up and told the truth:
I will double our special forces in order to conduct terrorist operations.
Thats what he said.
Shane Mage
Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not
consent to be called Zeus.
Herakleitos of Ephesos


Willy defines the difference

2004-07-26 Thread Shane Mage
Tonight the most recent dumbocratic POTUS announced that there
were profound differences between the two Factions:  the Bushits
used 9/11 to push the country too far to the right.  I kid you not--
that's what the man said!!!
Shane Mage
Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not
consent to be called Zeus.
Herakleitos of Ephesos


Re: C.I.A. Plays It Safe by Accentuating the Negative

2004-07-22 Thread Shane Mage
Jim Devine asks:
...there was an ad by the Committee on the Present Danger in the NY
TIMES yesterday...some of them were called honorable as their
titles. What makes someone officially honorable?
When someone is introduced to me as 'the honorable'
I hold fast to my wallet...Mark Twain


Re: The Future of the Green Party

2004-07-15 Thread Shane Mage
Michael Hoover wrote:
...[in 1936] fdr's biggest fear (not too realistic imo) apparently
was that lafollette might be able to bring together
progressive/'left' elements...
but until a year earlier, when the proverbial lone nut appeared, fdr's
biggest, and quite realistic, fear, was that Huey Long would bring
together enough left/progressive/workingclass/agrarian/Black
mass support to win the election...
Shane Mage
Thunderbolt steers all things...It consents and does not
consent to be called Zeus.
Herakleitos of Ephesos


Re: absolute general law of capitalist accumulation

2004-07-13 Thread Shane Mage
sartesian wrote:
One more thing... I went back and paged through Capital, and then picked up
Vol 1 of the Science of Logic, and damned if I can find anything anywhere in
Capital that approaches, parallels, the language Hegel uses in the Science
of Logic-- not that Hegel doesn't make sense-- but Capital, to a certain
extent,  is a demystification of Hegel.
In the depths of WW One Lenin felt called upon to study the Science
of Logic.  He found it revelatory, and in his Philosophical Notebooks
he wrote (I quote from memory, perhaps inexactly):
It is impossible to understand Das Kapital without a thorough
comprehension of Hegel's Science of Logic.  That is why, after
fifty years, none of the Marxists has understood Marx.
Shane Mage
When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: DONKEY. ELEPHANT. CHICKEN?

2004-07-07 Thread Shane Mage
Louis Proyect channels Matt Taibbi:
...For those of you who didn't follow this story, Cobb snatched the
Green Party nomination away from Nader last week largely through his
embrace of the so-called safe states strategy...
Only those who didn't follow this story will be taken in by this
lie.  Cobb didn't snatch the Green Party nomination away from Nader
for the simple reason that Nader didn't want the GP nomination and
made it very clear that he would reject it if offered.  Faced with
this arrogant ultimatum, the GP did what any self-respecting party
would: nominate its own candidate to campaign on its own program.
And the safe state strategy, for a party that can expect no
electoral college votes anywhere, makes perfect sense in this
election.  The great majority of the Left protest vote is to be
found in places like New York and California, where the case
against the *competent* Imperial candidate can be made most
clearly because the fear of throwing the election to Ubu and his
Bushits is such obviously hysterical nonsense in those states.
Ultraleftist naderism--the ill-concealed desire to inflict another four
years of Ubu as just punishment on America and the world--is just the
symmetrical counterpart of the Stalino/Socialdemocratico/Liberal
Popular Front effort to plebiscite Kerry and squash independent Left
political action once and for all.
Shane Mage
When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)
Ubu is roadkill.  Dick Cheney: Go Fuck Yourself.  The election
falls on Fortinbras.


Re: DONKEY. ELEPHANT. CHICKEN?

2004-07-07 Thread Shane Mage
Louis Proyect wrote:
If I could understand the above, I imagine that I'd take vigorous exception.


Re: Sowell

2004-07-01 Thread Shane Mage
k hanly wrote:
... the conclusion that minimum wages necessarily lead to greater
unemployment is surely not that evident...
Indeed.  Under rigorous neoclassical analysis it is easily demonstrated
that under monopsonistic or monopsonistically competitive labor
market conditions (ie., where the hiring of a marginal unit of labor-power
increases total labor cost by more than the cost of that marginal unit)
imposition of a minimum wage can, and a marginal increase in an
existing minimum wage will, increase total employment.
Shane Mage
When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: two kinds of neoclassical analysis

2004-07-01 Thread Shane Mage
James Devine wrote:
Shane Mage writes:Under rigorous neoclassical analysis it is easily
demonstrated
of course, rigorous neoclassical analysis is not the same as the
Chicago-school neoclassical analysis embraced by Sowell. For the latter,
rigorous refers to free market.
I don't know about Sowell, but I have to give credit where
credit is due. I learned the analytic demonstration I referred
to in Gary Becker's Economic Theory class at Columbia U Grad
School in 1959.  Incidentally, all Becker's teaching consisted of
reading from Milton Friedman's lecture notes--when he came to
this point he had to proclaim that it had no real-world applications!
Shane


Bushido: The Way of the Armchair Warrior

2004-06-04 Thread Shane Mage
The New Yorker
June 4, 2004
BUSHIDO:THE WAY OF THE ARMCHAIR WARRIOR
by EVAN EISENBERG
Issue of 2004-06-07
Posted 2004-05-31
Knowledge is not important. The armchair warrior strives to attain a
state beyond knowledge, a state of deep, non-knowing connection to
the universe: in particular, to that portion of the universe which
is rich, powerful, or related to him by blood.
The unenlightened speak of failures of intelligence. But the
armchair warrior knows that intelligenceÓÑthe effort of the mind to
observe facts, apply reason, and reach conclusions about what is
true and what ought to be doneis a delusion, making the mind turn in
circles like an ass hitched to a mill. The armchair warrior feels in
his hara, or gut, what ought to be done. He is like a warhorse that
races into battle, pulling behind him the chariot of logic and
evidence. When the people see the magnificent heedlessness of his
charge, they cannot help but be carried along.
The warrior spirit resides in the hara. It is this spirit, and not
any deed, that is the mark of the true warrior. Thus, a man who has
avoided military service may be a greater and braver warrior than a
man who has served his country in battle, sustained grave wounds,
performed heroic deeds, and been honored with clanking, showy medals
pinned to his garment.
Because human beings are prone to illusion, the sounds and sights of
battlethe groans of the wounded, the maimed bodies of ones
comradesmay remain in the mind for many years, like a cloud that
confuses judgment. Hence, a man who has fought on the battlefield
and has later risen to high office may be fearful of leading his
people to war. Such weakness does not afflict the armchair warrior,
who at all times is firm in his resolve.
The armchair warrior does not fear death, especially not the death
of other people.
The unenlightened mind is easily swayed by pictures. Since it fails
to grasp that life and death are illusions, the sight of the
flag-draped remains of those slain by the enemy may make it
susceptible to weakness and feelings of pity. Therefore, the
armchair warrior does not let the people see such images, except in
settings that can be properly controlled, such as his own campaign
advertisements.
Luxury is the enemy of Bushido. It saps the strength of the people
and makes them weak and complacent. Therefore, the armchair warrior
strives to take wealth away from the poor and the middle classes and
give it to the wealthy, who are already so weakened that they are
beyond help.
So-called wise men complain that the armchair warrior is producing
deficits, emptying the coffers of the state and sinking it ever
deeper into indebtedness to usurers and foreign moneylenders. In
their wisdom, these so-called wise men are like the scholar who came
to speak with Nan-in. Pretending to ask a question, the scholar
flaunted his learning for ten minutes while Nan-in, attending
politely, brewed a pot of tea. When the master filled the scholars
cup, he kept pouring until the tea overflowed the cup, ran onto the
table, and dripped to the floor, forming a great puddle.
The scholar, astonished, asked the meaning of Nan-ins action. The
mind is like this cup, said Nan-in. If you do not empty yourself,
how can you expect to be filled? The coffers of the state, too, are
like the cup. If they are not frequently emptied, how can they be
filled? Thus, the warrior takes it upon himself to empty the coffers
of the state into the pockets of his friends, his relations, and
other members of his class. Knowing well the corrupting power of
luxury, he distributes these treasures with reluctance. They are
accepted with equal reluctance. Yet not one among his fellows shirks
his duty.
The goal of life is awareness; the goal of awareness is freedom. If
the people of a foreign land do not wish to be free, it is the duty
of the armchair warrior to force them.
The warrior strengthens his resolve and that of his followers by
chanting sutras, mantras, or other strings of words, such as
weaponsofmassdestruction or linkstoalqaeda or
bringingdemocracytotheworld. It is not important that these words
bear any relation to reality or even that they have any definite
meaning. All that matters is that they be chanted repeatedly and
with great urgency.
The Chinese word for crisis combines the characters for danger and
opportunity. For the armchair warrior, the significance of this is
clear. Every crisis is an opportunity, and the lack of crisis poses
a grave danger. In crisis, the people turn to the warrior for
guidance. Hence, if a crisis has not occurred, the warrior creates
one. If a crisis is subsiding, the warrior inflames it. The
seventy-third hexagram of the I Ching is interpreted as follows: Two
towers fall. When smoke fills the peoples eyes, they can be led
anywhere.
Once, a group of travellers were on a perilous journey, in the
course of which they had to cross a river. Unluckily, their guide
forgot the location of the bridge, so the party had to ford the

Re: Hubbert's peak

2004-06-03 Thread Shane Mage
The stone age didn't end because people ran out of rocks (Sheik Yamani)


Re: Options expensing

2004-05-30 Thread Shane Mage
James Devine wrote:
it seems that options expensing is easy if firms are able to count
options as a cost in their taxes (if I remember what Nomi said
correctly). Simply count them as an equal cost when calculating
profits for the stockholders.
Of course.
It's reminiscent of a land reform program I heard about (perhaps a
fictional one, in Galbraith's THE TRIUMPH ) in which the landowners
were compensated for their expropriated land according to the value
that the claimed in their tax forms.
Fictionalized, but not in the least fictional.  Right after the barbudos
entered Havana on Jan. 1, 1959,  a large number of capitalist properties
were intervened and soon thereafter expropriated.  The owners
were offered full compensation *at the value they themselves had
estimated on their tax forms*.  This was the casus belli for the
45+ years of US economic, political, and covert military war against Cuba.
Shane Mage
When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: The Origins of Continents

2004-05-26 Thread Shane Mage
am I right to say that the division between Europe and Asia (which
aren't separate continents, strictly speaking) simply reflects the
us vs. them attitudes of the ancient Greeks?
Jim Devine
These supposed  us vs. them attitudes   are certainly not
to be found in Homer, Herodotos, Thucydides, Plato, Aristotle,
or Demosthenes.  For the ancient Greeks it was always much
more us vs. us.  Nor did they consider Europe, Asia, and
Libya to be continents in the sense indicated by Plato, but
rather as areas within a much larger landmass whose total
dimensions were only vaguely known.
Shane Mage

  -Original Message-
  From: Shane Mage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Tue 5/25/2004 9:23 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cc:
  Subject: Re: [PEN-L] The Origins of Continents

  Jayson Funke asks:
  Can anyone tell me of [the] origin of the term continents?
  The term is of Greek origin, *epeiros*.  It seems to have been first
  used in the sense of continent by Herodotos.  Plato, at Timaios 25A,
  speaks of the American  continent:  ...all that we have
  here, lying within the Pillars of Herakles, is evidently a bay with
  a narrow entrance [in Phaedo he compares the Mediterranean  to a frog
  pond] but that yonder [the Atlantic] is a real ocean, and the land
  surrounding it may most rightly be called, in the fullest and truest
  sense, a continent.
  Shane Mage
  When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
  things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
  downright silly.
  When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
  things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
  Weiner)


Re: The Origins of Continents

2004-05-25 Thread Shane Mage
Jayson Funke asks:
Can anyone tell me of [the] origin of the term continents?
The term is of Greek origin, *epeiros*.  It seems to have been first
used in the sense of continent by Herodotos.  Plato, at Timaios 25A,
speaks of the American  continent:  ...all that we have
here, lying within the Pillars of Herakles, is evidently a bay with
a narrow entrance [in Phaedo he compares the Mediterranean  to a frog
pond] but that yonder [the Atlantic] is a real ocean, and the land
surrounding it may most rightly be called, in the fullest and truest
sense, a continent.
Shane Mage
When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: Newsday: Iran wanted US to invade?

2004-05-21 Thread Shane Mage
The Great Satan doing God's work again!
Shane Mage
I am part of that force which always does good by attempting
to do evil. (Mephistopheles)
May 21, 2004
NEW YORK NEWSDAY
Chalabi aide is suspected Iranian spy
BY KNUT ROYCE
WASHINGTON BUREAU
May 21, 2004, 7:29 PM EDT
WASHINGTON -- The Defense Intelligence Agency has concluded that a
U.S.-funded arm of Ahmed Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress has been used
for years by Iranian intelligence to pass disinformation to the United
States and to collect highly sensitive American secrets, according to
intelligence sources.
Iranian intelligence has been manipulating the United States through
Chalabi by furnishing through his Information Collection Program
information to provoke the United States into getting rid of Saddam
Hussein, said an intelligence source Friday who was briefed on the
Defense Intelligence Agency's conclusions, which were based on a review of
thousands of internal documents.
The Information Collection Program also kept the Iranians informed about
what we were doing by passing classified U.S. documents and other
sensitive information, he said. The program has received millions of
dollars from the U.S. government over several years.
An administration official confirmed that highly classified information
had been provided [to the Iranians] through that channel.
The Defense Department this week halted payment of $340,000 a month to
Chalabi's program. Chalabi had long been the favorite of the Pentagon's
civilian leadership. Intelligence sources say Chalabi himself has passed
on sensitive U.S. intelligence to the Iranians.
Patrick Lang, former director of the intelligence agency's Middle East
branch, said he had been told by colleagues in the intelligence community
that Chalabi's U.S.-funded program to provide information about weapons of
mass destruction and insurgents was effectively an Iranian intelligence
operation. They [the Iranians] knew exactly what we were up to, he said.
He described it as one of the most sophisticated and successful
intelligence operations in history.
I'm a spook. I appreciate good work. This was good work, he said.
An intelligence agency spokesman would not discuss questions about his
agency's internal conclusions about the alleged Iranian operation. But he
said some of its information had been helpful to the U.S. Some of the
information was great, especially as it pertained to arresting high value
targets and on force protection issues, he said. And some of the
information wasn't so great.
At the center of the alleged Iranian intelligence operation, according to
administration officials and intelligence sources, is Aras Karim Habib, a
47-year-old Shia Kurd who was named in an arrest warrant issued during a
raid on Chalabi's home and offices in Baghdad Thursday. He eluded arrest.
Karim, who sometimes goes by the last name of Habib, is in charge of the
information collection program.
The intelligence source briefed on the Defense Intelligence Agency's
conclusions said that Karim's fingerprints are all over it.
There was an ongoing intelligence relationship between Karim and the
Iranian Intelligence Ministry, all funded by the U.S. government,
inadvertently, he said.
The Iraqi National Congress has received about $40 million in U.S. funds
over the past four years, including $33 million from the State Department
and $6 million from the Defense Intelligence Agency.
In Baghdad after the war, Karim's operation was run out of the fourth
floor of a secure intelligence headquarters building, while the
intelligence agency was on the floor above, according to an Iraqi source
who knows Karim well.
The links between the INC and U.S. intelligence go back to at least 1992,
when Karim was picked by Chalabi to run his security and military
operations.
Indications that Iran, which fought a bloody war against Iraq during the
1980s, was trying to lure the U.S. into action against Saddam Hussein
appeared many years before the Bush administration decided in 2001 that
ousting Hussein was a national priority.
In 1995, for instance, Khidhir Hamza, who had once worked in Iraq's
nuclear program and whose claims that Iraq had continued a massive bomb
program in the 1990s are now largely discredited, gave UN nuclear
inspectors what appeared to be explosive documents about Iraq's program.
Hamza, who fled Iraq in 1994, teamed up with Chalabi after his escape.
The documents, which referred to results of experiments on enriched
uranium in the bomb's core, were almost flawless, according to Andrew
Cockburn's recent account of the event in the political newsletter
CounterPunch.
But the inspectors were troubled by one minor matter: Some of the
techinical descriptions used terms that would only be used by an Iranian.
They determined that the original copy had been written in Farsi by an
Iranian scientist and then translated into Arabic.
And the International Atomic Energy Agency concluded the documents were
fraudulent.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc. |  Article

Re: US planes attack wedding party killing 40

2004-05-19 Thread Shane Mage
It was clearly a positional error.  The pilot thought he was in...
Massachussetts!
U.S. Reportedly Kills 40 Iraqis at PartyBAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A U.S.
helicopter fired on a wedding party early
Wednesday in western Iraq, killing more than 40 people, Iraqi officials
said. The U.S. military said it could not confirm the report and was
investigating.
Lt. Col Ziyad al-Jbouri, deputy police chief of the city of Ramadi, said
between 42 and 45 people died in the attack, which took place about 2:45
a.m. in a remote desert area near the border with Syria and Jordan. He said
those killed included 15 children and 10 women.
Dr. Salah al-Ani, who works at a hospital in Ramadi, put the death toll at
45.
Associated Press Television News obtained videotape showing a truck
containing bodies of those allegedly killed.
About a dozen bodies, one without a head, could be clearly seen. but it
appeared that bodies were piled on top of each other and a clear count was
not possible.
Iraqis interviewed on the videotape said partygoers had fired into the air
in a traditional wedding celebration. American troops have sometimes
mistaken celebratory gunfire for hostile fire.
I cannot comment on this because we have not received any reports from our
units that this has happened nor that any were involved in such a tragedy,
Lt. Col. Dan Williams, a U.S. military spokesman, wrote in an e-mail in
response to a question from The Associated Press.
We take all these requests seriously and we have forwarded this inquiry to
the Joint Operations Center for further review and any other information
that may be available, Williams said.
The video footage showed mourners with shovels digging graves. A group of
men crouched and wept around one coffin.
Al-Ani said people at the wedding fired weapons in the air, and that
American troops came to investigate and left. However, al-Ani said,
helicopters attacked the area at about 3 a.m. Two houses were destroyed, he
said.
U.S. troops took the bodies and the wounded in a truck to Rutba hospital, he
said.
This was a wedding and the (U.S.) planes came and attacked the people at a
house. Is this the democracy and freedom that (President) Bush has brought
us? said a man on the videotape, Dahham Harraj. There was no reason.
Another man shown on the tape, who refused to give his name, said the
victims were at a wedding party and the U.S. military planes came... and
started killing everyone in the house.
In July 2002, Afghan officials said 48 civilians at a wedding party were
killed and 117 wounded by a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan's Uruzgan
province. An investigative report released by the U.S. Central Command said
the airstrike was justified because American planes had come under fire.


Re: The Mysterious Death of Nick Berg

2004-05-13 Thread Shane Mage
Ubu to Bin Laden:  Those prison photos have put me in deep doo-doo.
I need your help again.  My guys in Iraq have
an American Jewish nogoodnik who would make
   a pretty picture.
Bin Laden to Al Zarqawi:  Our Friend needs image-assistance.  His
   people have a package ready.
Al Zarqawi to Bin Laden:   Mission accomplished.

Bin Laden to Ubu:  Well we did it, Bushbaby.  See you in October.

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64
I'm struck by the fact that we got to know about a few mysterious
circumstances (see, for instance, Robert H. Reid's AP story
Questions Surround Young American Shown Decapitated in Video, May
12, 2004) of the last days of Nick Berg only after his death: Nick
Berg being held in US custody for 13 days (which the government now
oddly denies), the FBI's visit to Nick's father Michael Berg, the
Bergs suing the government in federal court on April 5th, Nick being
released on April 6th, the Berg family losing contact with Nick on
April 9th (which is more than a month ago), Nick being last in
contact with U.S. officials in Baghdad on April 10 (Reid, May 12,
2004). Shouldn't we have heard about Nick Berg's disappearance about
a month ago, rather than just now, when it's too late? There are so
many newsworthy elements here, which the US media failed to
investigate and expose in time to save Berg's life.
The contrast between our lack of knowledge about Nick Berg and
intensive coverage of Japanese, Korean, Italian, Russian, and other
hostages (in their own national media, but also in the international
media) from the beginning to the end (be it death or release) of
their captivity is very striking. . . .
The rest of the posting at
http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/05/mysterious-death-of-nick-berg.html.
--
Yoshie
* Critical Montages: http://montages.blogspot.com/
* Bring Them Home Now! http://www.bringthemhomenow.org/
* Calendars of Events in Columbus:
http://sif.org.ohio-state.edu/calendar.html,
http://www.freepress.org/calendar.php,  http://www.cpanews.org/
* Student International Forum: http://sif.org.ohio-state.edu/
* Committee for Justice in Palestine: http://www.osudivest.org/
* Al-Awda-Ohio: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Al-Awda-Ohio
* Solidarity: http://www.solidarity-us.org/


Re: a victory of sorts in india...

2004-05-13 Thread Shane Mage
Isn't there someone here who can tell us how the BJP is really the
lesser of two evils?
Doug
No, but yesterday there would have been plenty around
to tell us how voting Communist Party (of your choice)
would throw the election to the BJP.
Shane


Stan Goff: Falluja Lives!

2004-04-18 Thread Shane Mage
The Bridge — A Rant
by Stan Goff
WARNING: This commentary may cause anxiety.
http://www.freedomroad.org/milmatters_22_bridge.html



Re: What the hell is Kerry doing?

2004-04-16 Thread Shane Mage
Isn't it obvious?  He knows, better than many Leftists, that
the USA is an out-and-out plutocracy, not any sort of
democracy.  So he's making a direct and pointed appeal
to the real electorate--guaranteeing that Imperial policy,
now being impeded by the general stupidity, ignorance, and
obscurantism of Ubu and his Bushits, will be pursued
intelligently and competently by tested servants of Empire.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)

I am waiting for Kerry to do something right.  Is the idiot trying
to morph into
Dukakis or is he trying to be indistinguishable from Bush?
Does he think that he can win as a liberal Republican?

I don't want to get into a lesser evil debate, just to find out if
anybody has any
idea what he is trying to accomplish.
--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu


Stratfor on President Kerry's Iraq imperial strategy

2004-04-15 Thread Shane Mage
THE STRATFOR WEEKLY
15 April 2004
Bush's Crisis: Articulating a Strategy in Iraq and the Wider War

Summary

President George W. Bush's press conference on Tuesday evening
was fascinating in its generation of a new core justification for
the Iraq campaign: building a democratic Iraq. It is unclear why
Bush would find this a compelling justification for the invasion,
but it is more unclear why the administration continues to
generate unconvincing arguments for its Iraq policy, rather than
putting forward a crisp, strategic and -- above all -- real
justification.
Analysis

It is clear that the current crisis in Iraq was not expected by
the Bush administration. That in itself ought not to be a
problem. Even the most successful war is filled with unexpected
and unpleasant surprises. D-Day in Normandy was completely fouled
up; the German Ardennes offensive caught the Allies by surprise.
No war goes as expected. However, in order to recover from the
unexpected, it is necessary to have a clear strategic framework
from which you are operating. This means a clearly understood
concept of how the pieces of the war fit together -- a concept
that can be clearly articulated to both the military and the
public. Without a framework that defines where you are going, you
can never figure out where you are. It becomes impossible to
place the unexpected in an understandable context, and it becomes
impossible to build trust among the political leadership, the
military and the nation. This is why the 1968 Tet offensive in
Vietnam was unmanageable -- yet the Ardennes offensive of 1944-
1945 was readily managed.
In a piece entitled Smoke and Mirrors: The United States, Iraq
and Deception which Stratfor published Jan. 21, 2003, we
commented on the core of the coming Iraq campaign, which was that
the public justification for the war (weapons of mass
destruction) and the strategic purpose of the war (a step in
redefining regional geopolitics) were at odds. We argued that:
In a war that will last for years, maintaining one's conceptual
footing is critical. If that footing cannot be maintained -- if
the requirements of the war and the requirements of strategic
clarity are incompatible -- there are more serious issues
involved than the future of Iraq.
During President George W. Bush's press conference this week,
that passage came to mind again. The press conference focused on
what has become the new justification for the war -- bringing
Western-style democracy to Iraq. A subsidiary theme was that Iraq
had been a potential threat to the United States because it
coddled terrorists. Mounting a multidivisional assault on a
fairly large nation for these reasons might be superficially
convincing, but they could not be the main reasons for invasion -
- and they weren't. We will not repeat what we regard as the main
line of reasoning (War Plan: Consequences http://www.stratfor.com/story.neo)
behind the invasion, because our readers are fully familiar with our
read of the situation. We will merely reassert that the real reason --
the capture of the most strategic country in the region in order to
exert pressure on regimes that were in some way enablers of al Qaeda -- was
more plausible, persuasive and defensible than the various public
explanations, from links to al Qaeda to WMD to bringing democracy
to the Iraqi masses. Such logic might work when it comes to
sending a few Marines on a temporary mission to Haiti, but not
for sending more than 130,000 troops to Iraq for an open-ended
commitment.
Answers and Platitudes

Bush's inability and/or unwillingness to articulate a coherent
strategic justification for the Iraq campaign -- one that
integrates the campaign with the general war on Islamists that
began Sept. 11 -- is at the root of his political crisis right
now. If the primary purpose of the U.S. invasion of Iraq was to
bring democracy to Iraq, then enduring the pain of the current
crisis will make little sense to the American public. Taken in
isolation, bringing democracy to Iraq may be a worthy goal, but
not one taking moral precedence over bringing democracy to
several dozen other countries -- and certainly not a project
worth the sacrifices now being made necessary.
If, on the other hand, the invasion was an integral part of the
war that began Sept. 11, then Bush will generate public support
for it. The problem that Bush has -- and it showed itself vividly
in his press conference -- is that he and the rest of his
administration are simply unable to embed Iraq in the general
strategy of the broader war. Bush asserts that it is part of that
war, but then uses the specific justification of bringing
democracy to Iraq as his rationale. Unless you want to argue that
democratizing Iraq -- assuming that is possible -- has strategic
implications more significant than democratizing other countries,
the explanation doesn't work. The explanation that does work --
that the invasion of Iraq was a stepping-stone toward changes in
behavior in other 

JFK's Secret Strategy revealed

2004-03-27 Thread Shane Mage
The STRATWHOR INTELLIGENCE BRIEF has revealed Dumbocratic
presidential candidate John F Kerry's four-step plan to take
over the White House:
1.)  Change his name to John F Kerredy and his campaign slogan
  from The Real Deal to JFK-The Real Second Coming, and
  nominate Senator John McCain as his Vice-President.
2.)  Make an all-out effort to convince Republicon voters-but
  not too many of them--that A VOTE FOR NADER IS A VOTE FOR
  BUSH (if this strategy is too successful, switch to an effort
  to persuade Nader voters that A VOTE FOR BUSH IS A VOTE
  FOR NADER).
3.)  Attack Bush for not making enough efforts to overthrow
  Venezuela's Marxist president Hugo Chavez.
4.)  The October Surprise to end all Surprises, Operation CRapture.
   On Halloween 2004 a secret Dumbocratic agent, pissed at
   having His name repeatedly disclosed in vain by Republicons,
   is to translate the US Supreme Court, all Bushit electoral-college
   candidates, and all born-again Politicians to a specially
   prepared Darkside location in the Sea of Hypocrity known
   as Camp X-Rated (V, L, no S).
but STRATWHOR has also learned that Republicon strategist Karl Rove
has formulated the following counter-strategy:
1.)   Dump Chaney and nominate Rudolf Giuliani for the Vice-Presidency.

2.)   Make an all-out effort to convince Dumbocratic voters--but
   not too many of them--that A VOTE FOR NADER IS A VOTE FOR
   KERREDY (if this strategy is too successful, switch to an effort
  to persuade Nader voters that A VOTE FOR KERREDY IS A VOTE
  FOR NADER).
3.)  Promise to extend Plan Colombia to Venezuela.

4.)  Replace Kerredy's Secret-Service bodyguards with a new
  elite force drawn from the Dallas Police Department.
STRATWHOR'S ANALYSIS:

Since it is overwhelmingly likely that the Electoral College
will be unable to elect a president, or even to convene, the
election will be decided by the House of Representatives
which, as usual, will vote with virtual unanimity to elect
ARIEL SHARON as the 44th President of the USA.


Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-26 Thread Shane Mage
some of my best friends are Philistines.
Not all Philistines are philistines.


Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine



 -Original Message-
 From: Shane Mage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:36 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [PEN-L] More on the labor theory of value
 JD wrote:
 Wagner's music is better than it sounds. -- Mark Twain
 (paraphrased).
 Mark Twain was making a perceptive comment on contemporary
 American standards of musical performance, not a philistine
 denegration of one of the greatest composers ever.
 Shane Mage

 When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
 things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
 downright silly.
 When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
 things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
 Weiner)


Re: More on the labor theory of value

2004-03-25 Thread Shane Mage
Isn't this being published a week too early?

We're being fiddled, say violinists

AP, Berlin
Wednesday March 24, 2004
The Guardian
Violinists at a German orchestra are suing for a pay rise on the grounds
that they play many more notes per concert than their musical colleagues
- a litigation that the orchestra's director yesterday called absurd.
The 16 violinists at the Beethoven Orchestra, in the former West German
capital Bonn argue that they work more than their colleagues who play
instruments including the flute, oboe and trombone.
The violinists also say that a collective bargaining agreement that
gives bonuses to performers who play solos is unjust.
But the orchestra's director Laurentius Bonitz said it was unreasonable
to compare playing a musical instrument with other jobs.
The suit is ridiculous, Bonitz said in a telephone interview. It's
absurd.
He also argued that soloists and musicians in other leading roles - such
as the orchestra's two oboe players - should perhaps make more money.
Maybe it's an interesting legal question but musically, it's very clear
to everyone, Bonitz said.
The case is scheduled to go before a labour judge later this year.





--

Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
fax 530-898-5901


Samir Amin on Paul Sweezy

2004-03-22 Thread Shane Mage
PAUL SWEEZY



Paul Sweezy was a great teacher with an open and inventive mind,  the

very example of a lucid and courageous militant life. A friend.



Paul Sweezy was one of those marxists for whom marxism did not stop at

Marx but started from him.  In Vol. II of Das Kapital, by putting to

work the key concept that total output comprises two productive

sectors--investment goods (Department I) and consumption

goods (Department II)--Marx began the undertaking of a rigorous

analysis of the process of capital accumulation.  He shone a light on

the contradictions within the system forced by the class struggle,

whose effects are expressed through inconsistencies in the

dynamics of expanded reproduction.  Marx thus offered a

framework for analysis of the uneven development of

global capitalism.



In the years after Marx's death, these leads to continue the working out

of the theoretical understanding of really existing capitalism gave rise

to inventive critical conceptual work from Rosa Luxemburg, Franz

Bortkiewicz, and those analysts of imperialism on whom Lenin

based his own analysis.  But later, the simplistic dogmatism imposed

in the Third International  was to call a halt to the necessary task

of tirelessly continuing the work of Marx.  Paul Sweezy is to be found

among those exceptional thinkers who rejected that false discipline.

That fact made him one of the main precursors of future social

thought and renewal of marxism.  By his analysis of the problem

of absorption of surplus-product he began a necessary renewal

of the theory of contemporary monopoly capitalism.  Above and

beyond that, by linking this analysis closely to that of imperialism

he placed the whole theory of capitalism squarely within its

real global dimensions.



Paul Sweezy was a clear-sighted and brave militant.  None better than

he to make the whole world understand both the true nature of the

American ruling class's imperialist program and those specific features

of its political culture which, ever since its birth and the conquest

of its West, have shaped that ruling class's mental outlook. Such

a work of unsparing critique required untamable courage like

that which Paul Sweezy demonstrated in McCarthyite times.



The best tribute we can pay to his memory is to continue

his brave and clear-sighted work with the same courage

and lucidity.



Re: Employer mobilization

2004-03-21 Thread Shane Mage
Mike Ballard wrote:

# Kerry Campaign Has $2.4 Million on Hand

# Bush Campaign Has $110 Million on Hand

Seems the capitalist political bird is flying with a
very large right-wing...
Remember that Kerry has a family fortune worth well
over a half-billion dollars.  Ralph Nader has characterized
the Republicon/Dumbocratic political duopoly as
a single party with two right wings.  Don't cry for Kerry, Australia.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: Historical Accuracy

2004-03-17 Thread Shane Mage
Joel Wendland completely misunderstands what Lou and Lenin
were talking about.  Lenin *counterposes* the differences
between Lloyd George and Churchill (differences within
the executive committee of British Imperialism) to the
differences between Lloyd George and Henderson--the
differences between the leader of the British capitalist class
and the leader of the British Labor Party, representing the
great majority of the British working class.  Lenin is attacking
the infantile leftists explicitly because they pay attention
only to the size of the differences and ignore the central
point, the class antagonism between capital and labor.
Their counterparts today are those who ignore the class
identity between Dumbocrats and Republicons  and seek
out differences between Ubu and Kerry in order to avoid
anything smacking of independent workingclass politics.
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64

Louis Proyect wrote:
In a Nov. 9, 1912, article on the U.S. elections Lenin wrote, This
so-called bipartisan system prevailing in America and Britain has been one
of the most powerful means of preventing the rise of an independent
working-class, i.e., genuinely socialist, party.
It is interesting how such words have so little importance to some
self-professed Marxists today. I much prefer Marx and Lenin to Dmitroff, no
matter his personal courage.
Here are some other words:

The differences between the Churchills and the Lloyd Georges--with
insignificant national distiinctions, these political types exist in all
countries--on the one hand, and between the Hendersons and the Lloyd Georges
on the other, are quite minor and unimportant from the standpoint of pure
(i.e. abstract) communism, i.e., communism that has not yet matured to the
stage of practical political action by the masses. However, from the
standpoint of this practical action by the masses, these differences are
most important. To take due account of these differences, and to determine
the moment when the inevitable conflicts between these friends, which
weaken and enfeeble all the friends taken together, will have come to a
head--that is the concern, the task, of a Communist who wants to be, not
merely a class-conscious and convinced propagandist of ideas, but a
practical leader of the masses in the revolution. (Lenin, Left-wing
Communism an Infantile Disorder, 1920).
He goes on in this vein further to argue for compromises, zig-zags,
retreats in order to speed up the achievement and then loss of political
power by the Hendersons. Clearly his main interest is not in making
so-called principled political points about third parties participating in
elections fairly, but about how to win real political power.
Sounds like Lenin had an ABC (anybody but Churchill) policy in 1920 that
roughly parallels current ABB arguments. Now if we compare this to the words
you quoted him saying in 1912, can we conclude that like Doug Ireland, et al
who refuse to support Nader this time, Lenin abandoned a more advanced
position under the political pressure? Is Doug Ireland (and others) a
Marxist-Leninist?
Joel Wendland
http://www.politicalaffairs.net
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Re: Historical accuracy

2004-03-17 Thread Shane Mage
Doug Henwood asks:

Could someone explain what Ralph Nader's candidacy has to do with the
development of a socialist party in the U.S.? I could swear he was a
petit bourgeois who believed in the beauties of small business and
competition.
Very simple.  The central class issue in US politics for my entire
political life has been the repeal of Taft-Hartley.  In 1948 Truman,
as one of his demagogic counters to the Henry Wallace third party
candidacy, promised the repeal of that slave-labor law--and,
once elected, dumped that as well as all his other promises.  Nader
has explicitly and strongly called for the repeal of Taft-Hartley.
So much for any impression of him as petit-bourgeois.  As for
the development of a socialist party in the US--the condition
sine qua non for that consumation devoutly to be wished is,
and has always been, the breaking away of the US Labor Movement
from its slavish subordination to the Dumbocratic faction of
the US capitalist class.  Any electorally meaningful progressive
third-party campaign is a step in that direction.  And all the
hysteria about Nader--maybe--costing the Dumbocrats enough
marginal votes in Florida and Missouri to return Ubu and his Bushits
to the White House is proof that Nader's campaign is electorally
meaningful.  And this is not to express any indifference to the
threat of a continuation of Ubuism.  On the contrary, the more
attractive and powerful is the Nader candidacy the larger
the prospective turnout (Spain, last Sunday, proved how
much fascistic parties are hurt by a big turnout).  And the
more possible is the crushing of Ubu by a tactical alliance
fin Octobre between Nader and Kerry (Kerry withdraws from
the race in Texas, Mississippi, Indiana, Virginia, Louisiana, and South
Carolina in return for Nader withdrawing from the race in
Florida, Missouri, Ohio, Michigan, Oregon, and West Virginia).  You
say that Kerry would rather see Ubu elected than make
such a deal?  My point about class politics, then, would be proven.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: Historical Accuracy

2004-03-17 Thread Shane Mage
Marvin Gandall writes:

...bourgeois-dominated but worker-based
parties like the Democratic party in the US...

If Marvin thinks the Dumbocrats are worker-based
they're most welcome to his support.
Shane Mage is right in noting that Lenin was talking of intervention in a
class party, ie. the Labour Party, but he is wrong when he says Left-Wing
Communism is concerned with the differences between the leader of the
British capitalist class and the leader of the British Labor Party and that
Lenin is attacking the infantile leftists explicitly because they pay
attention only to the size of the differences and ignore the central point,
the class antagonism between capital and labor. It makes me think he hasn't
read or doesn't recall the content of Lenin's polemic.
In fact, it was the so-called infantile leftists who made the class
antagonism between capital and labour the central point in arguing for
the need of the newly formed Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) to run
independently in elections against what they regarded as the
class-collaborationist Labour Party led by Henderson. This was the gist of
their appeal to Moscow when the Communist International ordered the
fledgling CPGB to instead enter the much larger Labour Party, to fold its
own banner, and to support the LP electorally as a rope supports a hanged
man.
What Lenin meant by this latter much-quoted expression is that by
encouraging the electoral efforts of the Labour Party, the LP workers --
supported by and patiently counseled by the Communist Party workers
campaigning with them in the ridings -- would more quickly come to recognize
the deficiencies of their own social-democratic leadership and program. When
Lenin came down on the side of the entrists, this was quite a shock to the
left-wing communists who wanted to hammer the LP leadership from the
outside and ideologically expose them before the working class.
The Labour Party, unlike the Liberals and Conservatives, was considered a
class party -- that is to say, it was founded and funded by the trade
unions, had substantial working class support, and was programatically
commited to the public ownership of the means of production, distribution,
and exchange, ie. socialism. Therefore it was regarded as an appropriate
venue for socialist participation and electoral support.
By these criteria, it would be impermissable to participate in or call for a
vote for the Democratic party.
By the same token, however, it would be equally unprincipled to call for a
vote for the Green Party as Louis does, and perhaps Shane as well. The Lenin
of Left-Wing Communism would have rightly characterized the Greens as a
progressive petit-bourgeois party which has neither has a connection to the
labour movement not a program based on public ownership.
The fact that the Greens represent a break with the two party system, to
which Louis attaches great importance, does not make it a working class
party anymore than Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose party of Lenin's time or
Ross Perot's Reform party more recently -- each also representing a break
with the two party system -- made them proletarian parties.
So I would ask Louis on what basis he believes participation in and
encouragement for the Green Party is in accordance with what he calls class
criteria, while an orientation to another bourgeois party -- in this case,
the Democrats, by far the much larger of the two and the one supported by
the trade unions and social movements -- is denounced as a betrayal?
Things, of course, have been turned on their head since Lenin wrote -- there
are no longer any working class parties fitting his description -- and this
necessarily affects our relationship to



 and social democratic parties
elsewhere. But I'll wait for he and Shane to reply before taking this up.
Marv Gandall

- Original Message -
From: Shane Mage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Historical Accuracy
Joel Wendland completely misunderstands what Lou and Lenin
were talking about.  Lenin *counterposes* the differences
between Lloyd George and Churchill (differences within
the executive committee of British Imperialism) to the
differences between Lloyd George and Henderson--the
differences between the leader of the British capitalist class
and the leader of the British Labor Party, representing the
great majority of the British working class.  Lenin is attacking
the infantile leftists explicitly because they pay attention
only to the size of the differences and ignore the central
point, the class antagonism between capital and labor.
Their counterparts today are those who ignore the class
identity between Dumbocrats and Republicons  and seek
out differences between Ubu and Kerry in order to avoid
anything smacking of independent workingclass politics.
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64

Louis Proyect wrote:
In a Nov. 9, 1912, article on the U.S

Re: the future of social security/medicare

2004-03-16 Thread Shane Mage
The social security crisis is *not* much inflated--it is pure fiction.
The Trust Fund--containing only US Gov't bonds--is sufficient
to pay all obligations for well over 50 years.  The scarecrow is
the threat that sometime before then, current social security/medicare
receipts will fall below current total outlays.  That would require
either new borrowing or tax increases to buy back the bonds.
So what!!  For social security/medicare to be unable to meet
expenses during our lifetime involves the US's default on its
entire national debt.  When that happens, social security/medicare
finances will be far down on the list of national emergencies.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)





The social security crisis is much inflated. As with any social inusrance
system, the ratio of workers to retirees flattens as the system matures.
But talk of a crisis is merely a wedge to open some political space for
privatization, a scheme that would speed, rather than delay, the day of
reckoning. Faster economic growth, lower unemployment, ora higher income
cap, (roughly $88,000 this year) would make the crisis disappear.
Joel Blau



Original Message:
-
From: ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:16:09 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: the future of social security/medicare
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
I do not expect to have
 Social Security or Medicare, for example.
what did you folks think of kuttner's piece in business week (march 2004):

if you have a BW online id (i do not):
http://www.businessweek.com/premium/content/04_11/b3874042_mz007.htm?se=1
essentially, if i understand him correctly, he quotes a few reports,
based on which he suggests that the funds will not run out by ~ 2025 (as
feared), unless bush continues his tax cut strategy including making
cuts permanent.
--ravi


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http://mail2web.com/ .


Re: Marx and the Civil War

2004-03-10 Thread Shane Mage
Michael wrote:

...I recall that Senator Hoare from Mass. [might more appropriately be
spelled Whore
In the mid-'30s, British Foreign Secretary Sir Samuel Hoare met
in Paris with French Foreign Minister Pierre Laval and signed
what came to be known as the Hoare-Laval agreement to
appease Mussolini on the Abyssinian invasion.  A pungent
British response was:
No more coals to Newcastle!
 No more Hoares to Paris!
Does anyone know who should get credit for this line?
Was it Churchill?
Shane Mage

 Mortals immortals, immortals mortals,
 living their deaths, dying their lives
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 62


Haiti Coup

2004-02-29 Thread Shane Mage
Eyewitnesses  reported on Pacifica reveal that Aristide DID NOT RESIGN!
He was kidnapped at about 5:30 AM by US Marines directly supervised
by the US Ambassador.  At the moment he is on a US plane somewhere,
incommunicado.  The State Department refuses to give any
information whatsoever to Representatives Rangel and Walters.
Meanwhile  the US installed death squads have begun massacring
Aristide's supporters.  The homes of the mayors of Port Au Prince
and P´etionville have been burned down. Refugees are being
kidnapped on the high seas and returned to the death squads.
All, as usual, in total violation of US and International law.
After this, how can anyone still be so foolish as to expect
that Ubu and the Bushits will permit a mere election to effect
a regime change in God's Country?
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all things.

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64



Re: a miracle?

2004-02-23 Thread Shane Mage
 An op-ed in the NY [TIMES] argues that since Israel's security barrier
goes deep into the West Bank it's a less than ideal security
barrier: What this wall is really doing is taking Palestinian
lands. That's not an original argument but the author is: Noam
Chomsky. Judging by a quickie Nexis search, it's the first time
the linguist and super-critic of U.S. policy has had his byline
in the paper.
The NYTimes seems to have reached the entirely reasonable
conclusion that Ubu and his Bushits are a vastly greater
danger to essential capitalist class interests than the whole
American Left could be even in its wildest dreams.
Shane Mage

(Not in favor of the mutual ruin of the contending classes)


Re: dems, etc

2004-02-21 Thread Shane Mage
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/20/04 8:08 PM 
Doug lives in New York:
*   NEW YORK
BUSH  2,403,374 (35.2%)
GORE  4,107,697 (60.2%)
NADER   244,030  (3.6%)
OTEHRS   66,898  (1.0%)
http://www.presidentelect.org/e2000.html   *
Joanna lives in California:
*   CALIFORNIA
BUSH   4,567,429 (41.7%)
GORE   5,861,203 (53.4%)
NADER418,707  (3.8%)
OTHERS   118,517  (1.1%)
http://www.presidentelect.org/e2000.html   *
Why waste two perfectly good votes and vote for Kerry when you have no
reason to?  It makes much more sense if you try to double the Green
Party votes in New York and California -- you'll have a more powerful
and energetic Green Party _and_ a Democratic President.
Yoshie

above corresponds to position i've held for as long as i can remember
(and, no doubt, have expressed on elists) - there is no national prez
election, electoral college mean that there are 50 state prez elections
(actually as many as 3000 given that county elections officers determine
ballot structure, so much for equal protection, but that's another
matter), my 'popular vote' has no relationship to such votes in any
other state...   michael hoover (who lives in florida where - for number
of reasons - evil of two lessers came into play in 2000)
As I've argued on another (LBO) list, this is a decisive argument
against the idea that a Nader or Green campaign would help Ubu:
For those of us who
find it more comforting to act *as if* this was a real
election (and I haven't yet excluded myself from that category)
the rational course would be to promote the strongest
possible alternative candidacy and then, in late October,
organize a one-to-two or three trade-off of (say) Nader votes
in close states (say Florida, Missouri, Ohio) for Dumbocrat votes in
uncontested states like California, New York, Texas, Indiana,
Mississippi, etc.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: Import-led development as a source of economic growth ?

2004-02-19 Thread Shane Mage
... the Chinese trade surplus from its export to the United States has a
quadrupling effect on added US gross domestic product (GDP). In other words,
for every dollar of US trade deficit in favor of China, the US economy
registers $4 of additional GDP in value-adding services, such as marketing,
distribution and retail markup, trade and consumer financing, etc.
These services add to the price of products--thus they do increase
the *current dollar* GDP.  But they add nothing at all to the *real*
quantity of produced *final* goods and services.  Thus they add
nothing at all to *real* GDP.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: Import-led development as a source of economic growth ?

2004-02-19 Thread Shane Mage
  These services add to the price of products--thus they do increase
 the *current dollar* GDP.  But they add nothing at all to the *real*
 quantity of produced *final* goods and services.  Thus they add
 nothing at all to *real* GDP.
But what is real GDP in that case ? The American concept is that handling
the goods adds value :-).

If I buy a dozen large brown eggs, the net contribution to
GDP in constant (say 1990) dollars is what I would have
had to pay for them in 1990.  It makes no *real GDP* difference at
all how much of the price I actually paid went to the farmer
and how much to various middlemen and indirect taxers.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: Kerry: The Cause of Israel is the Cause of America

2004-02-19 Thread Shane Mage
Editors' Note: We offer this unfettered pledge of fealty to Israel by
John Kerry as yet more evidence that there's scarcely a dime's worth
of difference between the major political candidates of both parties
on the life-and-death issues of our time.
This is not the issue on which to come down hard on the
Dumbocrats.  Apr`es tout, Paris vaut bien une messe!
Le Vert Galant


Re: patricians

2004-02-06 Thread Shane Mage
Michael asks:
...Who are the last non-patrician Dems to be elected Pres?  Johnson
 Truman both came
to the job as vice presidents, usually a throw away job
What was patrician about Carter, Clinton, and Gore (no, he *was*
elected and no, a blind populist Senator from Oklahoma is no
sort of patrician ancestor)?
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: Michael Moore et al

2004-01-17 Thread Shane Mage
CC wrote:
George Bush is NOT a fascist (he may be worse in some ways, but he is
not remotely the leader of a fascist movement)
So Ubu Potus is *worse* than a fascist!  And who is it who is supposed
not to care whether or not he consolidates and worsens yet further
his *worse than fascist* regime?
Shane Mage

 Mortals immortals, immortals mortals,
 living their deaths, dying their lives
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 62


Re: Nixon and Labor

2004-01-17 Thread Shane Mage
Michael wrote:
Lakoff's framing is very important.  We don't know how to do it -- at
least I have not figured out how.
But it's the simplest thing in the world--always has been.  Just
establish virtually monopoly control over all the means of
mass communication. Good luck.  :-)


Re: Americans best-informed people, ever

2003-12-20 Thread Shane Mage
Bob Herbert was being ironic.  Anyone who actually read the
column knows that by best he meant most informed
about trivia, and that such information is part of the
process of entertaining ourselves to death.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12/19/03 9:39 AM 
According to Bob Herbert in today's NY Times, Americans are the
best-informed people in the history of the world.
Bill
which explains why more than 50% (according to public opinion polls
anyway) of them still think that saddam hussein was responsible for
9/11...  santa claus


Re: Friendly folks and U.S. taxpayers

2003-12-11 Thread Shane Mage
It's very simple. Our people risked their lives. Friendly coalition folks
risked their lives, and therefore the contracting is going to reflect that,
and that's what the U.S. taxpayers expect, Ui said. Vino vendibili hedera
non opus est.
Non Ui sed Ubu


Re: On authority

2003-12-07 Thread Shane Mage
Michael wrote:

My friend, Aldo Matteucci, sent me this.  I would like to know more.
Maybe some of you have even seen the book.
Frauchiger, Urs. 1982. Was zum Teufel ist mit der Musik los (Bern:
Zyglogge).
 69 ff: The first to conduct was Carl Maria von Weber, in 1817, at
Dresden, followed by the composers Spohr and then Mendelssohn.  At the
time, Schumann pointed out the contradiction between the conductor's
baton and republican principles -- it was perceived  then as a political
act.
There were conductors long before the baton was introduced.
Bach, Mozart, Beethoven all conducted their own works--often
from the keyboard.  Jean Baptiste Lully (the favorite composer of
the Roi Soleil) used a wooden stave--and died from gangrene
after accidentally striking his own foot.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: unproductive expenditures and surplus-value

2003-12-04 Thread Shane Mage
James Devine wrote:
I don't understand this. Why should the wages  salaries of
unproductive labor-power (U) be included as part of surplus-value
(S)? didn't Marx once say that S corresponded to
profits+interest+rent (with the latter being phenomenal forms of the
former)? that excludes U.
from the point of view of the capitalist class, isn't U part of
_costs_? is it possible for the capitalists to accumulate based on
U? or must they accumulate based on S, net of U? If they can't use U
for accumulation (any more than they can use the wages  salaries of
productive labor-power for accumulation), why not focus on S, net of
U?
This, essentially, is exactly Marx's position:

The general law is, that all those expenses of circulation which only
arise from changes of form of commodities add no value to the latter.
They are merely expenses required for the realization of value or for
its conversion from one form into another.  The capital laid out for
these expenses (including the labor employed by it) belongs to the
*faux frais* [unproductive but necessary expenses] of capitalist
production. Its replenishment must be carried out from the {gross}surplus-
product and forms, from the point of view of the entire capitalist
class, a deduction from the {gross}surplus-value or surplus-product,
just as, for a laborer, the time required for the purchase of his
means of
subsistence is lost time. (v.II, p.143)
and
These costs form additional capital, but they produce no
surplus-value. They must be made good out of the value of
the commodities. For a portion of the value of the commodities
must once more be converted into these circulation costs; and no
additional surplus-value is created thereby.  So far as this concerns
the total capital of society it means that a portion of it must be
set aside for secondary operations which are no part of the process
of creating value, and that this portion of the social capital must
be continually reproduced for this purpose...the additional value,
which the merchant adds to the commodities by his expenses,
resolves itself into an addition of previously existing values.
(v.III. pp. 343-345)
Since addition of previously existing values is precisely
the way in which constant capital transfers value to the
product, it is clear that Marx regards the capital laid out
for unproductive but necessary labor as part of the circulating
portion of constant capital.

Fred Moseley has argued that the changes in the Marxian rate of
profit (measured counting U in the numerator) helps us understand
changes in the conventional rate of profit (with U as part of
costs). That makes more sense to me (on the abstract level). But, in
the end, isn't it the conventional rate of profit (CRP) that's
important to the laws of motion of capitalism? and in the
determination of the CRP, isn't the mathematical role of U _exactly
the same as_ the mathematical role of the wages  salaries of
_productive_ labor-power (V)?
Put in a different way, it's often assumed that (all else constant),
surplus-value production is proportional to V, i.e., S/V = s'.
Thus, if U/V rises, all else equal, the rate of profit falls, since
S/(V + U) = s'/(1 + U/V) falls.
But why can't s' rise to accomodate the rise in U/V? In fact,
Moseley and others who measure U and count it as part of
surplus-value show that S/V does rise rather than being constant. So
the rate of profit need not fall as a result of the rising U/V. In
other words, why not assume, for example, that S/(V + U) is constant
(as a first approximation)?
Marx's answer is that fixed constant capital can and does tend
to rise without limit, but employed productive labor-power is
limited both by the available labor force and by the strength of
the working class which, by constantly pressing for a reduction
in the workday or workweek, tends historically to reduce the
total productive labor-time, from which surplus-value takes the
form of a deduction.  Thus fixed capital must historically tend
to grow faster than relative surplus-value.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that
all things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: Western rationality

2003-11-11 Thread Shane Mage
Originally Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point - i.e.
the heart has its reasons of which reason doesn't see the relevance or in
which reason sees no point
This is not a correct translation.  The construction  *ne...point*
means not at all, thus much stronger than *ne...pas*, meaning
not.  Pascal is saying the heart has its reasons [ie., the
Roman Catholic Faith] that are completely unknown to our
rational faculties.
accordingly, it is quite wrong to read him as saying

 ...the rational intellect can understand the
reasons of the heart (affective impulses, inclinations, emotions welling
up naturally in the body) but does not admit them as a real factor in
argumentation or rational inference
since our rational faculties can never understand what
is completely unknown to them.
Shane Mage

To be Greek, one must have no clothes.
  To be Medieval, one must have no body.
  To be Modern, one must have no soul (Oscar Wilde)


Re: Hydrogen is not a fuel!

2003-10-14 Thread Shane Mage
Please read the thread you were replying to before reprinting
official drivel. This is what I posted yesterday:
   I am repeatedly surprised by the fascination many environmentalists
have with the wonderful future world of hydrogen.  Let's see, we build
power plants to generate electricity to extract hydrogren, then ship, by
pipe or other means the hydrogen to someplace else to make electricity?
And so we end up with less energy than we started with.  Why is this good?
Because the *solar* energy we started with is mostly unusable
until it is stored as hydrogen.  Wind farms in North Dakota.  Solar
farms in Arizona-New Mexico.  Enough for all our transportation uses
and much more.  Plus huge numbers of jobs from construction of the
farms, reconfiguration of the vehicle fleet, revitalization of
depressed areas, etc., etc.
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64

Hydrogen is most definitely not a pure energy source for earth-bound
inhabitants. and that is beacause most all of hydrogen is locked up
with oxygen in water, for example. to be available as hydrogen, one
needs to seperate the water molecule into components, and that takes
-- drum roll -- ENERGY. In another scheme, hydrogen is created from
mixing steam and methane.  And steam comes from 
Hydrogen IS an energy source for inhabitants of stars, because they
are lucky enough to have hydrogen in its elemental form, and also
lucky enough to have it in a form dense and hot enough to support
nuclear reactions.
We earthlings are not so lucky.

   As described in Joan Ogden's Hydrogen: The Fuel of the Future? in
   the same issue (page 69), the centerpiece of the present US
   Department of Energy plan to improve vehicle technology apparently
   involves a fuel-cell-powered vehicle, the Freedom Car. That
   vehicle, which would use stored hydrogen as fuel, could ultimately
   reduce petroleum consumption, greenhouse gas generation, and air
   pollution. However, a practical, economical hydrogen source that
   does not generate carbon dioxide will be required to obtain those
   benefits. The development of such a hydrogen source is a major
   challenge, as are the needs for practical hydrogen distribution and
   storage and for fuel-cell technology. It is uncertain just when
   such a hydrogen-powered vehicle could have a significant effect on
   the total fuel consumption of the US vehicle fleet; at best, that
   time is several decades away.
   http://www.aip.org/web2/aiphome/pt/vol-55/iss-11/p12.html



   Similar basic issues surround the Hydrogen Fuel Initiative, says
   Malcolm Weiss, a transportation specialist at the Massachusetts
   Institute of Technology. Separating hydrogen from sources such as
   natural gas produces nearly as much greenhouse gas as petroleum
   fuels, he says, and hydrogen gas cannot be moved through
   conventional pipelines. That means that it may be necessary to
   produce hydrogen at the pump, perhaps through electrolysis of
   water. But the technologies to do this cheaply do not yet exist.
http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v422/n6928/full/422104a_fs.html

   cf.
   http://www.nature.com/nsu/030609/030609-14.html
   http://www.nature.com/nsu/000330/000330-3.html


   Future fuel cells may be able to convert about 80% of the Gibb's
   free energy released by combining hydrogen with oxygen to make
   water into electrical energy (at present, this factor is around
   50%). Also included in this should be the losses in both
   electricity conversion and electric-motor efficiency, around 20%,
   to 'shaft energy' to move the car. Thus the overall efficiency is
   64%, much better than can be obtained from gasoline or diesel
   engines. So, we would need to generate around 230,000 tonnes of
   hydrogen daily -- enough in liquid form to fill 2,200 space-shuttle
   booster rockets or, as a gas, to lift a total of 13,000 Hindenburg
   airships. Hopefully the thirst for this enormous quantity could be
   quenched by a factor of two or three by employing more efficient
   aerodynamic and drive-train designs in future hydrogen
   vehicles. But then folks would probably drive that much more.
   Hydrogen is not a 'primal' energy source. Unlike fossil fuels or
   uranium, more energy is used to extract hydrogen from its source
   than is recovered in its end use. For simplicity, and to bypass
   issues of carbon and carbon dioxide sequestration, let us assume
   that the hydrogen is obtained by 'splitting' water with electricity
   -- electrolysis. Although this isn't the cheapest industrial
   approach to 'make' hydrogen, it illustrates the enormous production
   scale involved -- about 400 gigawatts of continuously available
   electric power generation have to be added to the grid, nearly
   doubling the present US national average power capacity. The number
   of new power plants that would need to be built -- based on
   presently available technologies

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-13 Thread Shane Mage
I wouldn't take issue with the contempt displayed for the
California electorate, the Lib-Dems,  and Schwarzenegger
personally.  But.  The one important progressive proposal
to emerge from the entire recall circus came from...
Schwarzenegger!  He promised a program to provide
hydrogen refueling facilities *every twenty miles* along
California's major highways by 2010.  How important this
idea is was recognized by the NYTIMES editorially with
the adjectives unrealistic and utopian.
Of course, this may turn out to be campaign verbiage.  But
I did have an experience that reflects favorably on
Schwarzenegger.  In May 2001 I served on the jury  in
a lengthy damage trial against GM for the death of a
husband in an SUV rollover.  He was gruesomely crushed
when the roof collapsed on his head.  GM claimed that
its design was not defective because reinforcing the
supporting columns would do nothing for safety.  We
found against GM.  On the next day I read in the
Financial Times an article reporting that before
Schwarzenegger agreed to buy a Hummer he had
insisted that GM include exactly the reinforcement
that had been at issue in our trial!
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64



Hi Pensters,

My view from down here and from having known people in
the rank  file voting public of California is that
they voted for Arnie because he promised them simple,
honest good governance and a 'strong' government.  The
government under Davis was seen as weak, which is why
so many people got screwed (the thinking goes) during
the 'energy crisis (fix).
The problem with the voting public is that they're,
for the most part, a bunch of ignorant fools who, like
the kool-aide drinkers of Jonestown, are looking for
an honest guy to lead them to the simple life away
from the slimy, weak polytricksters, like Davis.
The ground for this kind of debacle is fertilized on a
daily basis by mealy-mouthed liberals who won't stand
up for what they believe--mostly because the DP is in
the hands of a gang of bureaucrats beholden to various
sections of the ruling class. These politicians are
satisfied with playing the role of safety valve during
the toboggan ride to the bottom which Capital and the
Repugs are bound and determined to take the rest of
us.  They don't tell their constituencies that they're
being ripped off royally.  They tell them that
businessmen and the 'free-market' can save the day, if
the voters just choose to go with them on their nice
toboggan ride with cushions, instead of on the 'mean
old' Repugs' sled.
A lot of people see through this 'propaganda'--it's
all phoney--remember what Bobby D told you?  But,
because the major pollies in the DP, which is the only
voice given credibility as an opposition by the
corporate and State owned media (Camejo...who's he?
Joe Shit the ragman asks as he quaffs his Bud and
reads the sports section at the short bar) don't even
begin to educate their constituency (because they're
already bought and paid for as safety valves) the
voters who vote in quantity choose Arnie because Arnie
is better looking and he's like 'cool' baby.
Best to all,
Mike B)
--- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 obviously, Cooper doesn't like Camejo, for whatever
 reason. I thought, however, that one of MC's points
 was that the progressive wing and ethnic-minority
 grassroots of the DP (which are not the object of
 MC's derision here) sat out because Gray Davis was
 so bad. And most of them -- and MC, I'd guess -- are
 wedded to the lesser of two weevils logic which says
 if you're not voting for Ah-nold or Bustamente, you
 might as well vote for Gary Coleman or Mary Carey or
 Larry Flynt.
 Davis' explanation --  right white nativist
 anti-immigrant uprising fueled by talk shows  -- is
 true, but only part of the story. It's not only who
 voted for der Gropenfuehrer but also who didn't vote
  for Davis, or Bustamente. There were also a lot of
 people who voted for Mr. Universe for reasons
 besides those highlighted by Davis.
 btw, MC's article is from the curent L.A. WEEKLY.
 Jim
   -Original Message-
   From: Doug Henwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Sun 10/12/2003 2:48 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Cc:
   Subject: Re: [PEN-L] cooper on the Gray demise of
 the Lib-Dems


   As Eudora told me, the word Camejo was not found
 in this piece.
   Why, if this was a not-unadmirable uprising, as
 Marc Cooper argues,
   was there not more support for him (or Huffington)?
 Mike Davis'
   explanation - that it was a right white nativist
 anti-immigrant
   uprising fueled by talk shows  - seems more
 compelling, given the
   demographics of the vote. Arnie's vote was highest
 in the above-$75k
   households.
   Doug





=
*
A man's maturity consists in finding once again the seriousness he had
as a child at play.
Heraclitus, Greek philosopher (500 B.C

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-13 Thread Shane Mage
Eugene Coyle wrote:

   I am repeatedly surprised by the fascination many environmentalists
have with the wonderful future world of hydrogen.  Let's see, we build
power plants to generate electricity to extract hydrogren, then ship, by
pipe or other means the hydrogen to someplace else to make electricity?
And so we end up with less energy than we started with.  Why is this good?
Because the *solar* energy we started with is mostly unusable
until it is stored as hydrogen.  Wind farms in North Dakota.  Solar
farms in Arizona-New Mexico.  Enough for all our transportation uses
and much more.  Plus huge numbers of jobs from construction of the
farms, reconfiguration of the vehicle fleet, revitalization of
depressed areas, etc., etc.
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64


Re: Hydrogen is not a fuel!

2003-10-13 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: Hydrogen is not a fuel!


Eugene Coyle wrote:

...hydrogen is not a fuel.
It is a storage medium for energy extracted from other fuels --
whether wind or nuclear or whatever.

On the contrary, hydrogen is the energy source provided
by
virtually all the fuels in current use--petroleum, methane,
wood, cow dung, coal. A fuel (except uranium)
is nothing
but a way of storing and releasing solar energy in the form
of its hydrogen atoms.

...Shane Mage sees hydrogen as a way to
reconfigure our vehicle fleet. Why not think a
little about getting rid of the need for our vehicle
fleet?...

I thought about it a little, but could come up with no way
to get pigs to fly. Of course if our only means of
transportation were horseback and shank's mare we
might have enough horse manure to do without any
other source of hydrogen -:)

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64












Re: Quote du Jour: Paul Bremer on economic justice

2003-10-13 Thread Shane Mage
Did Chalabi oppose the war?  I doubt it.
Jurriaan meant Gulf War II.  He was of course a warhawk
for GWIII.  I have no idea what his position, if any,
was on GWI--except that he stayed well away from the action.
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64


Re: Saudis joins the privatisation push (putsch)

2003-09-29 Thread Shane Mage
The Saudi economy is dominated by huge state corporations that produce about
2 thirds of GDP.
http://www.idcworld.com/saudiprivate.htm

Some royal family members are in fact pushing for the privatisation. Where
is your evidence the royal family owns most of the economy privately?
Saudi Arabia, as its name declares, is the private property of the
al-Saud family.
Cheers, Ken Hanly
- Original Message -
From: Shane Mage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: Saudis joins the privatisation push (putsch)

 Privatization?  Since virtually everything there is already the property
 of the Saudi family, new foreign investment could scarcely
 increase the degree of privatization.  Besides, if the
 investment  is in new projects it would no more represent
 privatization than did Lenin's policy of concessions
 in the NEP.
 Shane Mage

 Thunderbolt steers all
 things.
 Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64

http://english.aljazeera.net/Articles/Economy/Saudis+push+privatisation.htm
 
 Saudis to push privatisation
 
 Monday 29 September 2003, 3:06 Makka Time, 0:06 GMT
 
 
 The Saudis decided last year to open up the economy
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Saudi Arabia is set to embark on an ambitious privatisation drive,
unveiling
 specifications for 21 water and power projects.
 
 
 Worth nearly $13 billion, details of the projects will be revealed on
Monday
 to local and foreign investors attending a conference of the 100 top
 companies in the Gulf region.
 
 The Saudi Electricity Company and the Water and Electricity Company will
 unveil specifications for 21 projects in the fields of power general and
 transmission and water desalination, the kingdom's Water and Electricity
 Minister, Ghazi bin Abd al-Rahman al-Qusaybi said.
 
 The kingdom last November had endorsed a plan to open up 20 vital sectors
 for local and foreign private investors in a bid to generate tens of
 billions of dollars to pay for a staggering public debt.
 
 Areas opened up to the private sector include telecommunications, water
 desalination, air transport, airport services, construction and
management
 of highways, seaport services and local oil refineries.



Re: Saudis joins the privatisation push (putsch)

2003-09-28 Thread Shane Mage
Privatization?  Since virtually everything there is already the property
of the Saudi family, new foreign investment could scarcely
increase the degree of privatization.  Besides, if the
investment  is in new projects it would no more represent
privatization than did Lenin's policy of concessions
in the NEP.
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64

http://english.aljazeera.net/Articles/Economy/Saudis+push+privatisation.htm

Saudis to push privatisation

Monday 29 September 2003, 3:06 Makka Time, 0:06 GMT

The Saudis decided last year to open up the economy





Saudi Arabia is set to embark on an ambitious privatisation drive, unveiling
specifications for 21 water and power projects.
Worth nearly $13 billion, details of the projects will be revealed on Monday
to local and foreign investors attending a conference of the 100 top
companies in the Gulf region.
The Saudi Electricity Company and the Water and Electricity Company will
unveil specifications for 21 projects in the fields of power general and
transmission and water desalination, the kingdom's Water and Electricity
Minister, Ghazi bin Abd al-Rahman al-Qusaybi said.
The kingdom last November had endorsed a plan to open up 20 vital sectors
for local and foreign private investors in a bid to generate tens of
billions of dollars to pay for a staggering public debt.
Areas opened up to the private sector include telecommunications, water
desalination, air transport, airport services, construction and management
of highways, seaport services and local oil refineries.


Re: China, again

2003-09-25 Thread Shane Mage
Elementary fallacy here:
[Far Eastern Economic Review]
...The renminbi is pegged to the dollar, so the U.S. currency's slide this
year has made Chinese exports even cheaper...
Cheaper, yes--but not against the dollar-denominated US products!
Indeed, if there is any effect at all it would be to divert Chinese
exports to non-dollar areas and thereby *lessen* China's
trade surplus vis-a-vis the US.
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64


Re: Regulation, state, economy

2003-08-28 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: Regulation, state, economy


Jurriaan wrote:
...When I
read Marx's Capital
in German, I
never found any place in which he uses the term primitive
accumulation, rather, he uses the term ursprungliche
Akkumulation, that
is to say,
the initial or original accumulation.

Do you have any source or evidence, which proves that Marx uses the
specific
words
primitive accumulation himself, rather than original
accumulation ?

In English, primitive and original, in
the strictest sense of
both words, are synonymous. In Cassel's
German-English
dictionary, the preferred equivalent of
ursprunglich
is primitive, followed by primordial.
original comes fifth.

Shane



Re: Dubya and farcical Keynesianism

2003-08-27 Thread Shane Mage
Jurriaan wrote:

As a Phd student, I really got the impression that really neoclassical
economic models boil down to a zero-sum trade-off between saving and
consumption, where saving is tacitly treated as automatically implying
investment. This is suggested by Keynes's formulas as well. Thus, what is
not consumed, is saved, and what is saved, is invested.
You seem to have forgotten that the Keynesian and [neo]classical
views are totally incompatible:  the latter view savings and
investment as equal *ex ante* (meaning that every decision
to save is necessarily accompanied by an equivalent decision
to invest and vice-versa) while for Keynes investment and
savings decisions are quite independent of each other.  That
aggregate savings and aggregate investment are equal *ex post*
is merely an accounting identity.  What counts is the quantity.
If at a given level of income intended savings exceed
investment, their identity is established by falling income
and employment, and conversely if investment exceeds intended
saving the identity is established at a higher level of income
and employment.  For Keynes, as for Marx, it is investment
that is the dynamic factor--and expected profitabilty that
drives investment.
Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.
When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N.
Weiner)


Re: God: a socialist view

2003-08-24 Thread Shane Mage
Jurriaan wrote:
...my particular view of God is...that...God refers to a universal
characteristic of the human (sub-)conscious mind, which every human
being gets gratis in virtue of being a member of the human
species...We could be more or less aware of that transcendent human
quality, the highest/deepest intentions or aspirations a human being
can have, we could be aware of it or not aware of it, that awareness
could take different forms, or evolve in different ways, develop in
different ways, and so on. We could feel in contact with God or out
of contact with God...
Nothing here to trouble an atheist--or, for that matter, anyone
who recognizes that Jurriaan is using the word God in a way
totally incompatible with every way in which the word God
has ever been used in any form of religious or antireligious discourse.  To
anyone who has read even a little Jung this usage is instantly
recognizable.  God here refers to an archetype of the
collective unconscious specifiable as the ground of numinosity.
Unfortunately, religious nonsense has been so deeply inculcated
in everyone's personal unconscious by prevalent modes of social
discourse that this usage of the word God will inevitably
have anything of value it might offer drowned in a sea of
purely associative feelings and emotions.  Stick to The Numina.
 Shane Mage

immortals mortals, mortals immortals, living their deaths, dying their lives

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 62


Re: 911 STUDY

2003-07-15 Thread Shane Mage
Michael Perelman wrote:

The lack of information available regarding 9-11 creates fertile ground
for conspiracy theories.
That is because a coverup is itself a conspiracy and is also
presumptive evidence that at least one prior conspiracy
is being covered up.  Hence the liberal use of disinformation
to obstruct effective investigation of that which is being
covered up.
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64


Re: EU v NA -- Hegel and frontiers

2003-06-23 Thread Shane Mage
Kenneth Campbell wrote:

...BMW clearly stands ahead of NA
car companies in trying to find a viable hydrogen car
Daimler-Chrysler is, about half, a NA company.  And it
is far ahead of BMW in developing a viable hydrogen
car--Daimler-Chrysler busses, powered by Ballard
(another NA company) fuel cells, are already on the
road in several European and North American cities
and many more are on order.
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64


Re: Susceptibility to Marx

2003-06-17 Thread Shane Mage
Barkley Rosser wrote:

 I'm not sure where it originates from, but I
have heard it claimed that Marx and Engels
said that distribution under socialism was to
be from each according to his ability, to
each according to his work.
If I recall correctly, the phrase is Stalinist in origin and
may even have been included in the 1936 Constitution.
Trotsky criticized it most severely, arguing that making
livelihood dependent on some measure of work is
the essence of the unfreedom that makes contribution
according to ability impossible as a universal rule
until the abundance characteristic of the higher stage
of communism had been achieved.
Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64


Re: Skewering stilted language and theory: F. Crews

2003-06-12 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: Skewering stilted language and theory: F.
Crews


Astrological theory is testable, but not in either of these
modes.
Predictions must be based on individual horoscopes and
refer
to specific dated events. The kind of test I have in mind
would
be based on the fact that everyday throughout the world
many
people win lottery jackpots and many others fall victim to
violent accidents or crimes. Match pairs of
lucky/unlucky
events. Submit the relevant horoscopes, double
blind, to
a panel of competent astrologers--say twenty matchings
each to fifty astrologers. Compare the total success
rate
to the expected random outcome. A sufficient positive
outcome (say, at a 99.9% confidence level) should be
enough to convince even the strictest Popperian that
the hypothesis that astrology is pseudoscience had
been falsified.

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that
all things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that
all things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.
(N. Weiner)

DD writes:
But as I have pointed out before, not, of course,
to
the paradigmatic example of a Popperian social
science,
astrology. Unlike any other social scientists,
the
astrologers provide me with twelve succinct,
specific
and easily falsifiable predictions every day with
my
daily newspaper.

the predictions of
astrology are too vague to be tested or falsified. (They're much
vaguer than those of Milton Friedman's codification of monetarism, for
example, which currently is seen as largely falsified by mainstream
macroeconomics.) A real test would be to reverse the normal
astrological process, predicting one's birthday -- or, easier, one's
sign -- based on personality tests and the like. (No google searches
allowed.)

Jim




Re: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: WSJ - Is This A GreatCountry?

2003-04-02 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: [PEN-L:36417] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: WSJ -
Is This A


Since winning the lottery is the way people get rich
(in their fantasies), why not propose exempting
lottery winnings from the federal income tax (which
would in fact only be fair, since such winnings
are
not income but transfers, and lottery losings
are
in practise never deductibles from pretax income)?

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that
all things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that
all things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.
(N. Weiner)

That's nuts. You know the failure rates
for small business better than I do. I just know that it is
veryhigh. And how amny of self-employed or entrepreneurs go into
their 60s (or 70s) with enough to retire on decently? jks

Max B. Sawicky
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 Better, I say, to have a political program
that speaks to individuals' ability to take
the most practical route out of wage slavery --
going into business for themselves.


I presume you mean collectively, in coops and the like? jks



Facilitating coops is important, but I also mean
individually.

mbs





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Re: trans-Atlantic spat

2003-03-15 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: [PEN-L:35601] trans-Atlantic
spat


James Devine wrote:

this story [about
Richard Perle] is interesting on several levels. For example, the
reference to neo-fascist Lyndon Larouche... [Perle protégé Laurent Murawiec, a former follower of
Lyndon LaRouche, who made news last year when he gave a PowerPoint
presentation before the Defense Policy Board that called for the
invasion of Saudi Arabia and the seizure of its oil
fields]

By coincidence, this afternoon I was handed a leaflet
written
by Larouche (who, by the way, I've never regarded as any
sort of fascist, despite his pet hatreds,
technocratic
utopianism, and bad prose). Near its start, Larouche
writes:

The issue of war or peace as such, is not Saddam Hussein
or
Iraq , but, primarily, two distinct but converging features
of
the current U.S. Bush administration. The first cause of
that
aspect of the crisis, is the influence of imperialist
followers
of the late fascist ideologue, Prtofessor Leo Strauss, in
creating the core of those war-mongers known variously as
the 'Chickenhawks' or 'neo-cons.' The second,
converging
cause of that critical factor, is the convergence among the
pro-imperialist 'neo-cons' inside the Bush Administration,
with the thoughtless and stubborn, 'barnyard-style
unilateralism' expressed by President George W. Bush
himself.
 The added feature of the crisis, on the U.S.
side, is that
Cheney's and Wolfowitz's lunatic tribe of neo-con
'Chickenhawk'
fanatics, is reenforced, on the side of the Democratic
Party,
by those organized-crime-linked, pro-imperialist hard-core
DLC Democrats who are typified by the circle of cronies of
right-wing ideologue and war-monger Senator Joseph
Lieberman.

Shane Mage

immortals mortals, mortals immortals, living their deaths, dying
their lives
 
Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 62







Re: Re: Re: Triplethink!

2003-02-12 Thread Shane Mage
Joanna wrote:


It only begs the question of reality if you assume reality to be 
real only insofar as it is immutable. However, if reality is 
continually changing/flowing, then mathematics might describe the 
relations that power that change...which wouldn't be the same thing 
at all as getting everything to stand still.

Joanna


But it only works if the [mathematical] relations
themselves are immutable--the immutable part (better, ground)
of reality.

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even 
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N. 
Weiner)



Re: Farrakhan on US and Oil

2003-02-12 Thread Shane Mage
Ken Hanly reposts Farrakhan:


No wonder he doesnt get much press coverage any more!

...Let's go to Nigeria. There's some sweet oil here. Do you know 
what America tried to do? They tried to separate the eastern region 
and call it Biafra, which started a civil war in Nigeria, causing 
thousands upon thousands of lives to be lost because of American 
foreign policy...

Thus Farrakhan remains as contemptible a liar as he was
when acting as Elijah Muhammad's hatchetman against
Malcolm X.  The Biafran independence struggle was set
off by a massive Muslim pogrom against Igbo people
throughout northern and central Nigeria.  The US government,
together with its British, Soviet, and Chinese Communist friends,
gave full and fulsome support to the genocidal starvation
siege  against the Biafran people.  Only deGaulle, out of all
world leaders, did even a little--very inadequate--bit to
help the starving Biafrans.

So much for Farrakhan.

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all 
things. 

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64




Re: Re: RE: RE: a slip of the Fox noose

2003-02-08 Thread Shane Mage
I guess I must be in the loyal opposition too. I want to understand 
Bin Laden the better to destroy him. I don't believe anyone here 
regards him as a freedom fighter. In fact, I don't think bin Laden 
and his gang regard themselves as freedom fighters

Don't get me wrong.  In my opinion Bin Laden is no
longer a direct agent of the worst criminals in the
CIA/NSA/NSC apparat.  But if he was, what would
he or they have done any differently?  In my
opinion, nothing.

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all 
things. 

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64




Boot on the Table

2003-02-06 Thread Shane Mage
Recalling the Brest-Litovsk negotiations, Trotsky
recalled that he felt a measure of relief when,
after all the Germano-Austrian diplomatic circumlocutions
about self-determination for Ukraine etc.,  General
Hoffman put his soldier's boot on the table  and
announced what the German Empire wanted and would take,
agreement or not.  In this public mailing, the ex-CIA
Stratfor puts the US Empire's boot down:

Here is your complimentary Stratfor Weekly, written by our
Chairman and Founder, Dr. George Friedman.

Please feel free to email this analysis to a friend.

The Region After Iraq

Summary

Desert Storm was about restoring the status quo ante. The 2003
war with Iraq will be about redefining the status quo in the
region. Geopolitically, it will leave countries like Syria and
Saudi Arabia completely surrounded by U.S. military forces and
Iran partially surrounded. It is therefore no surprise that the
regional powers, regardless of their hostility to Saddam Hussein,
oppose the war: They do not want to live in a post-war world in
which their own power is diluted. Nor is it a surprise, after
last week's events in Europe indicating that war is coming, that
the regional powers -- and particularly Saudi Arabia -- are now
redefining their private and public positions to the war. If the
United States cannot be stopped from redefining the region, an
accommodation will have to be reached.

Analysis

Last week, the focus was on Europe -- where heavy U.S. pressure,
coupled with the internal dynamics, generated a deep division.
From the U.S. point of view, regardless of what France and
Germany ultimately say about the war, these two countries no
longer can claim to speak for Europe. Ultimately, for the
Americans, that is sufficient.

This week, U.S. attention must shift to a much more difficult
target -- the Islamic world. More precisely, it must shift to the
countries bordering Iraq and others in the region as well. In
many ways, this is a far more important issue than Europe. The
Europeans, via multinational organizations, can provide
diplomatic sanction for the invasion of Iraq. The countries
around Iraq constitute an essential part of the theater of
operations, potentially influencing the course of the war and
even more certainly, the course of history after the war. What
they have to say and, more important, what they will do, is of
direct significance to the war.

As it stands at this moment, the U.S. position in the region, at
the most obvious level, is tenuous at best. Six nations border
Iraq: Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Turkey and Iran. Of
the six, only one -- Kuwait -- is unambiguously allied with the
United States. The rest continue to behave ambiguously. All have
flirted with the United States and provided varying degrees of
overt and covert cooperation, but they have not made peace with
the idea of invasion and U.S. occupation.

Of the remaining five, Turkey is by far the most cooperative. It
will permit U.S. forces to continue to fly combat missions
against Iraq from bases in Turkey as well as allow them to pass
through Turkey and maintain some bases there. However, there is a
split between the relatively new Islamist government of Turkey,
which continues to be uneasy about the war, and the secular
Turkish military, which is committed to extensive cooperation.
And apart from Kuwait, Turkey is the best case. Each of the other
countries is even more conflicted and negative toward an
invasion.

Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Iran are very different countries
and have different reasons for arriving at their positions. They
each have had very different experiences with Saddam Hussein's
Iraq.

Iran fought a brutal war with Iraq during the 1980s -- a war
initiated by the Iraqis and ruinous to Iran. Hussein is despised
by Iranians, who continue to support anti-Hussein exiles. Tehran
certainly is tempted by the idea of a defeated Iraq. It also is
tempted by the idea of a dismembered Iraq that never again could
threaten Iran, and where Iran could gain dominance over its
Shiite regions. Tehran certainly has flirted with Washington and
particularly with London on various levels of cooperation, and
clearly has provided some covert intelligence cooperation to the
United States and Britain. In the end, though -- however
attractive the collapse of Iraq might be -- internal politics and
strategic calculations have caused Iranian leaders to refuse to
sanction the war or to fully participate. Iran might be prepared
to pick up some of the spoils, but only after the war is fought.

Syria stands in a similar relation to Iraq. The Assad family
despises the Husseins, ideologically, politically and personally.
Syria sided openly with the United States in 1991. Hussein's
demise would cause no grief in Damascus. Yet, in spite of a
flirtation with Britain in particular -- including a visit with
both Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Charles for Syrian President
Assad -- Syria has not opted in for the war.

Nor have the 

Re: IRA/RothIRA

2003-02-05 Thread Shane Mage
What, if anything, would be the advantage of converting an IRA to a RothIRA?

Thanks,

Joanna


Advantage:  IRA withdrawals are taxable income, Roth IRA
	 withdrawals are tax free.

Disadvantage:  The entire balance transferred in the conversion
	  counts as taxable income in the year the
	  conversion occurs.

Thus, the greater your taxable income in the year of conversion
the worse are the odds of gaining by the transaction (that is,
the greater the percentage of the IRA that has to be liquidated
in order to pay the taxes).

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even 
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N. 
Weiner)



Re: Re: Sweezy's occ

2002-10-28 Thread Shane Mage
The Marxian concept Organic Composition of Capital
is the ratio between the number of units of
socially necessary labor time embodied in  the physical
capital stock owned by capitalists (as depreciated in proportion 
		to the physical and moral wear and tear since its 
initial		capitalization) and the number of units of socially 
necessary	*productive* (of surplus value) labor time performed 
in a		given accounting period (typically the time unit is 
the hour		and the accounting period is the Gregorian 
calendar year).
It is thus the ratio between a stock and a flow.
The proper symbolic expression is C/(s+v).
Simplifying for the benefit of algebraically challenged
readers, Marx made (in v.I) the assumption that the
entire capital stock turned over (ie., depreciated 100%)
every year.  This has led to much confusion among commentators.

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even 
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N. 
Weiner)


I thought that the c/v was a nice simplification of the concept -- even if
it made the proof more difficult.  It brings out a stark dead/living
labor distinction.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 11:32:02AM -0600, Forstater, Mathew wrote:

 The organic composition of capital (occ) is usually defined as c/v.
 With this definition, it is easy to show that the value rate of profit,
 s/(c+v), depends on the rate of surplus value, s/v, and the occ, because
 s/(c+v) = (s/v)/[(c/v) + 1].

 Why does Sweezy define the occ as c/(c+v) in The Theory of Capitalist
 Development?  This then leads him to a more complicated proof to show
 that s/(c+v) = s' (1 - q), where s' is the rate of surplus value and q
 is the occ by his definition, = c/(c+v).

 Thanks, mat


--
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: RE: Sweezy's occ

2002-10-28 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: [PEN-L:31644] RE: Sweezy's
occ


Jim Devine wrote:

To be serious, it seems
to me that how one measures the degree of capital intensity
of production (the OCC) depends on one's theory and the purpose of
one's research.

For example, I would
measure the OCC in a deliberately incorrect way. I use
K/Y, the ratio of the stock of fixed capital to total output. This
would measure who was winning in the race between the tendency for
capital intensity (K/L, where L = labor hired) to rise and the
tendency for labor productivity (Y/L) to rise. The former tendency
(that Marx stressed) is only relevant to determining profit rates when
the latter tendency (which is often an effect of the former) is
weaker.

This leaves the problem of units of measure. If K is
a quantity
of Marxian labor-time-units, then K/L is just Marx's
Organic
Composition of Capital when L is *productive* labor
performed;
if L is total labor (productive+unproductive) then
labor
productivity becomes meaningless; if K is a so-called
real quantity then all the measurement problems
in
calculating the real capital stock--especially
the
totally defective price indices for capital goods and the
grossly approximative allowances for depreciation and
obsolescence--deprive the resulting numbers of any
relevance.

In addition, this approach can never give a theoretical
grounding
to the Law of the Falling Tendency of the Rate of
Profit
because under it there is no necessity for the productivity
of labor to tend to increase less rapidly than capital
intensity.
However, when the Marxian units of measure are used
consistently it can be proven that, whatever rate of
increase of labor productivity results on average and over
time from increasing Organic Composition, the rate of
profit *must* tend historically to fall (even though, for
limited periods, this tendency can be denied expression by
the
countervailing factors discussed by Marx).

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that
all things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that
all things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.
(N. Weiner)





Re: US, Khaddafy, and ObL

2002-10-12 Thread Shane Mage
Michael Perelman asks:


Does anyone know about this or is it just conspiracy fodder?

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/10/09/1034061258269.html

The Age (Melbourne)   October 10 2002

Media gag on alleged plot to kill Gaddafi

By Paul Daley



Mr Shayler - a 36-year-old

former MI5 officer who is accused of

 disclosing government secrets to

the media and in a book

By bringing this charge, the British Government
is in fact admitting the truth  of the allegation



London – The British media have been gagged from reporting sensational
courtroom evidence of former MI5 spy David Shayler, including his
alleged
proof that the British secret service paid $270,000 for al Qaeda
terrorists
to assassinate Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi in 1986.

In its efforts to contain Mr Shayler's allegations to the privacy of the

court, the government has even stopped the media from reporting its
successful attempt to win a gag order.

The decision by an Old Bailey judge to stop the media from reporting
parts
of Mr Shayler's evidence came on Monday after two senior ministers,
David
Blunkett and Jack Straw, signed Public Interest Immunity certificates.

The certificates, which were submitted to the court, insisted that the
media
and the public leave the court if the activities of the security and
intelligence agencies were raised by the defence.

The then Labour opposition strenuously opposed the Tory government's use
of
the certificates during the arms-to-Iraq prosecution in the early '90s.
Some
guilty verdicts were subsequently overturned on appeal because the
defence
successfully argued that it had been deprived of relevant information.

When such certificates are issued, it is standard practice for the judge
to
read the applications and publicly hear the arguments for and against a
gagging order, before ruling. But in the case of Mr Shayler - a
36-year-old
former MI5 officer who is accused of disclosing government secrets to
the
media and in a book - the government wanted the judge, Justice Alan
Moses,
to consider the application in private.

The British media widely reported on Monday that lawyers acting for Mr
Shayler had accused the government of trying to intimidate Justice
Moses.
But on Tuesday the newspapers - many of which had mounted their own
legal
case against the application of the certificates - reported simply that
the
court had heard legal arguments relating to Mr Shayler's trial. The
judge
ruled that they (the legal arguments) cannot be reported, The Guardian
reported.

Although Mr Shayler's jury trial is expected to begin next week in the
Old
Bailey, any evidence relating to sensitive security or intelligence
matters
will be kept private. After the judge's ruling on Monday, several
articles
detailing Mr Shayler's anticipated evidence - and the government's
efforts
to keep it secret - were withdrawn from newspaper websites across the
country.

It is believed the government successfully applied to have parts of the
trial heard in camera. This applies to evidence on sensitive
operational
techniques of the security and intelligence services.

It is also believed that the court agreed to keep the identities of MI5
agents secret and to allow them to give evidence from behind screens.





--

Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chico, CA 95929
530-898-5321
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Re: Re: Re: Re: My views on Stalin

2002-08-14 Thread Shane Mage

I think that we have had enough of Stalin.

As Lenin said 80 years ago...

  Shane Mage

immortals mortals, mortals immortals, living their deaths, dying their lives

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 62




Re: Re: query: George Bernard Shaw

2002-07-31 Thread Shane Mage

Devine, James wrote:

does anyone know where I can find G.B. Shaw's theory of 
exploitation (based on rent theory)?

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




If you want Shaw's own words, why not try The Intelligent Woman's 
Guide to Socialism and Capitalism (1928).  (He used the term 
Woman of course in a general sense to mean both women and men.

There is also a Fabian pamphlet Socialism and Superior Brains 
which deals with this in passing, and also is an interesting 
anti-elitist argument from a very elitist point of view.

Also, and crucially, look at the section on *Das Rheingold*
in The Perfect Wagnerite.

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even 
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N. 
Weiner)




Re: : Oxymoron of the Day (was Expertise)

2002-07-29 Thread Shane Mage

  ...incompetent ones[experts]




Re: Expertise

2002-07-28 Thread Shane Mage

Justin speaks of expert judges (in the legal system) who are 
empowered to definitively resolve disputes by entering enforceable 
orders.

Exactly what are judges in the American plutocracy expert in
outside of convincing the plutocrats and their political agents that
they are reliable defenders of plutocracy in general and of their
sponsors' interests in particular?  In the law, as for instance
William Rehnquist, Clarence Thomas, Kenesaw Mountain Landis,
John Marshall, the US Supreme Court (with very few exceptions)
for its entire history, the State courts in the South, etc.,
etc., ad nauseam?  If so, then the law, sir, is an ass.

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even 
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N. 
Weiner)




Re: Anthrax attack in Africa

2002-07-02 Thread Shane Mage

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/02/opinion/02KRIS.html

The NY Times had an interesting [op]editorial blasting the FBI for not
arresting the anthrax suspect, who the author seems to think is the guilty
party.  In the course of the story, the author asks:

Have you examined whether Mr. Z has connections to the biggest anthrax
outbreak among humans ever recorded, the one that sickened more than
10,000 black farmers in Zimbabwe in 1978-80? There is evidence that the
anthrax was released by the white Rhodesian Army fighting against black
guerrillas, and Mr. Z has claimed that he participated in the white army's
much-feared Selous Scouts.

I don't recall this incident, but it suggests a US connection.  Any
comments?

The article was a valiant effort to produce an unconspiracy
theory for the anthrax episode--patriotic motivation plus
bureaucratic FBI fumbling.  Chip Berlet himself could have done
no better.  Totally, pathetically, unconvincing, of course.

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even 
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N. 
Weiner)




Re: RE: Totalitarian (the word)

2002-05-27 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: [PEN-L:26387] RE: Totalitarian (the
word)


James Devone wrote:

Plato's
totalitarianism really only applies --to the extent that
it really does -- to the Guardians (who are brainwashed, lack
individual property, control over who they marry,
etc.)...

So, you regard Socrates' prescriptions--equality between the
sexes, abolition
of private property and the patriarchal family, higher education,
etc.--as prescriptions for *totalitarianism*?

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that
all things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that
all things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.
(N. Weiner)



Re: Well grubbed, old mole!

2002-05-05 Thread Shane Mage

Is there any reason to think Marx ever read Toussenel?  And, even if
he did, is there any reason to think more than one in a million of
his readers did?  But nobody anywhere has an excuse for not remembering
Well said, old mole! Canst work i'th earth so fast? A worthy pioner!
(Hamlet, I, 5, lines 162-163).

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all 
things. 

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64


Is it coincidence that on the day of the second round of the French
presidential elections I should stumble across the following quotation from
Toussenel in Walter Benjamin's Arcades Project?

The mole is... not the emblem of a single character. It is the emblem of a
whole social period: the period of industry's infancy, the Cyclopean
period... It is the... allegorical expression of the absolute predominance
of brute force over intellectual force... Many estimable analogists find a
marked resemblance between moles, which upturn the soil and pierce passages
of subterranean communication... and the monopolizers of railroads and stage
routes... The extreme nervous sensibility of the mole, which fears the
light... admirably characterizes the obstinate obscurantism of those
monopolizers of banking and of transportation, who also fear the light.
{elipses in Benjamin's citation]

Clearly, Marx's famous mole from the Eighteenth Brumaire must have been
Toussenel's. Marx also makes use of the Cyclopean image in his discussion
of modern industry in Das Kapital.

Toussenel's _L'Espirit des betes_ was published in 1847.

Tom Walker




Re: Re: The Blame Game

2002-04-22 Thread Shane Mage


Michael Perelman asks:

...How much to the right of Gore is Chirac?
  --

By American standards, Chirac is clearly to the left of Gore.

Shane Mage




Re: Le Pen triumph thanks to ultra-leftists

2002-04-22 Thread Shane Mage

Chris Burford, in the name of Stalin (aka Dimitrov)  invokes a
completely nonexistent fascist menace and thereby supports--Chirac!
Typical.

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all 
things. 

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64


Time to read Dimitrov!

The danger of fascism remains everywhere under conditions of 
bourgeois democracy.






Disaster in France-What Must Be Done Now

2002-04-21 Thread Shane Mage

The French presidential election's first round today produced
a catastrophic result for the traditional parties of the Left.
Socialist candidate Lionel Jospin got fewer than 16% of the
vote, 1.5 points less than the fascistic nationalist Jean-Marie
Le Pen and 4 points behind Chirac.  Eliminated from the May 5
runoff ballot (only the top two from the first round stay on
the ballot), Jospin announced his withdrawal from political life.
The French Communist Party's leader, Robert Hue, got a
minuscule 3.5%, a fitting reward for his consistent support
for Jospin's centrist policies throughout the five-year rule
of the Gauche Plurielle cabinet.  In contrast, the three
Trotskyist candidates got more than 11% of the vote-about
6.5% for Arlette Laguiller (Lutte Ouvrière), 4.5% for Olivier
Bésancenot (Ligue Communiste Révolutionnaire) and 0.5%
for Daniel Gluckstein (Parti des Travailleurs).  The other two
major leftist candidates, Noel Mamere (Verts) and Jean-Pierre
Chévenement (Mouvement des Citoyens) each got slightly
more than 5%, while Christiane Taubira (Radicaux de Gauche)
less than 2%.

The lesson of this electoral disaster is clear--the immediate need
for the broadest United Front of the Left on the basis of a militant,
aggressive program.  There must be no rallying behind Chirac
to block Le Pen.  That would be like supporting Hindenburg
to block Hitler.  The alternative is union behind a write-in
candidate for the second round, whether or not French electoral
law permits such votes to be counted.  The indicated, indeed the
only thinkable, candidate is José Bové, who is not only a principled,
militant, totally independent leftist, but also, and by far, the
most popular political figure in France.  Bové might well win a
majority on May 5, and in any case would be positioned to
lead a united Left to victory over the discredited Chiraquiens
in the June parliamentary elections and thus force the
resignation of Chirac (whatever happens, Le Pen will certainly
not be elected on May 5).

But there is no time at all for delay.  The French Left must pick
itself up off the floor and get back in the ring within the next
two or three days.  Victory is more than possible, but not if
*anyone's* sectarian posing gets in the way.

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all things.

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64




Re: Nash equilibrium's relevance

2002-04-11 Thread Shane Mage

James Devine quotes Hal R. Varian of the NY TIMES:

What Mr. Nash recognized was that in any sort of strategic interaction, the
best choice for any single player depends critically on his beliefs about
what the other players might do. Mr. Nash proposed that we look for outcomes
where each player is making an optimal choice, given the choices the other
players are making. This is what is now known as a Nash equilibrium.

   'Can this contract be made against best defense?' What a stupid
 question.  The opponents never find the best defense.
The Hideous Hog




Desperate hope based on dubious assumption

2002-03-31 Thread Shane Mage

 From Financial Times, 30-31/3:

...the Saudi leader [Crown Prince Abdullah], who is scheduled to
meet with Mr Bush at his Texas ranch next month, insists that
the US president will help. 'I have confidence that once Bush is
aware of the circumstances and understands the situation,
he will do something, because he is a human being.'

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all things.

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64




Re: Re: Re: Barcelona

2002-03-17 Thread Shane Mage

At  3/17/2002, you wrote:

I thought that the total size of the demonstration was more like 
100,000. That is very welcome considering how mass demonstrations 
have fallen away in the USA.

Lef of center press here (Argentina) reported that 250,000 
protesters marched through Barcelona

Alan

This evening's report on Le Journal (France 2's evening news,
carried in NYC on Channel 25) put the size of today's demo at
500,000--more than twice the turnout expected by the
organizers.

Shane




Re: Re: Marx vs. Roemer

2002-03-11 Thread Shane Mage

Justin wrote:

I just think that you can explain
some profits by normal bourgeois means (buying low and selling high) or
monopoly advantages, as in MArx's discussion of differential rent--which
leads me to thing that even he doesn't accept thestrict version of the LTV,
but only uses it as an idealizationso you have profit that is 
generated by possession of monoply advantages that does not 
represent value in Marx's sense. Note that this profit is not a 
result of redistribution of SV, a point that can be made if we 
imagine a situation with two capitalists, one of whom acquires a 
monopoly and behaves as monopolists due. His monopoly rent is not 
redistribute from the other guy, it's due rather to his possession 
of the monopoly (Marx's point): so, profits without value that are 
therefore NOT due to the expoloitation of labor--rather to the 
exploitation of consumers


A monopolist is able to get an above-average rate of return on its capital.
Nonmonopolists (except, perhaps, in Lake Woebegone..) must therefore
receive a below-average return on their capital.  The economic process
determining these different returns to different capitals is a process of
distributing the value of the total surplus product among the various
claimants to that surplus value.  Marx's Law Of Value applies  to the
aggregate surplus as produced.  Because Marx defined value as
a determinate quantity of labor time and capital as *capitalized*
surplus value  he was able to view the capitalist system as a dynamic
entity subject to quantitatively determined laws of motion such
as the Law of the Falling Tendency of the Rate of Profit which
has been shown both to be empirically true and to be a strict
consequence of the fundamental social relationships defining a
capitalist economic system.

Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even 
downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all 
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N. 
Weiner)




Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx vs. Roemer

2002-03-11 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: [PEN-L:23827] Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx vs.
Roemer



 When we read on a printed
page the doctrine of Pythagoras
that all
 things are made of numbers, it seems mystical,
mystifying,
even
 downright silly.
 
 When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of
Pythagoras
that
 all things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently
true. (N.
 Weiner)


Um, the GUI wasn't invented until after Weiner was dead so
the
above seems of dubious
origin.


I don't remember the origin of that quote.
Ma se non e vero e ben trovato


The space-time continuum? Even continuum existence itself?
Except as an idealization neither the one entity nor the other
can make any claim to be a primordial category in the
description of nature. [John Wheeler]

Ian



But can nature be described without
mathematics?
And are any natural entities needed to
describe arithmoi?
If the answer to both questions is negative, which then is
primordial?

Shane





Re: Re: Re: Re: Marx vs. Roemer

2002-03-11 Thread Shane Mage

Shane writes in response to Justin:

A monopolist is able to get an above-average rate of return on its capital.
Nonmonopolists (except, perhaps, in Lake Woebegone..) must therefore
receive a below-average return on their capital. 

This does not necessarily follow.  Suppose, for example, that capitalists
enjoy monopoly (more accurately, monopsony) wage-setting power in
markets for labor power due to the empirically relevant fact that workers
face significant costs of job search (this is a typical feature of search
models; see for example the survey article on monopsony in labor markets by
Boal and Ransom in the J. of Econ Lit, 1997).  Then more monopsony power,
and thus more surplus value, for one capitalist does not imply less for any
other capitalist.  Rather it implies that workers as a class perform more
surplus labor

No.  If one capitalist holds monopsony power over a significant group
of workers it follows that the other capitalists, dealing with a smaller
labor-power market, will have to pay above-average wages and
thus settle for below-average profits.



The economic process
determining these different returns to different capitals is a process of
distributing the value of the total surplus product among the various
claimants to that surplus value.  Marx's Law Of Value applies  to the
aggregate surplus as produced.  Because Marx defined value as
a determinate quantity of labor time and capital as *capitalized*
surplus value  he was able to view the capitalist system as a dynamic
entity subject to quantitatively determined laws of motion such
as the Law of the Falling Tendency of the Rate of Profit which
has been shown both to be empirically true and to be a strict
consequence of the fundamental social relationships defining a
capitalist economic system.

For what it's worth, I'd say the empirical relevance of this law remains
an open question, as does the sense in which it is a strict conseqeuence
of the fundamental social relationships defining a capitalist system.


If I failed to prove both points in my 1963 dissertation, please
enlighten me on any defective points in my argument.

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all 
things. 

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64




Saving Private Taliban

2001-11-19 Thread Shane Mage

from the NYTimes (website  19/11):
  Several hundred Pakistani fighters are also 
believed to have sought
 refuge in Kunduz, including relatives of some 
powerful clerics, this
 intelligence official said. Saving them could 
improve President
Musharraf'S strained relations with his country's hard-line religious
parties, which have opposed his assistance to the 
United States.

 Northern Alliance commanders and numerous 
refugees from Kunduz said
 in recent days that at least two airplanes landed 
at Kunduz airport,
 presumably to take away some of those who had 
retreated to the city. The
 commanders speculated that the planes were from 
Pakistani intelligence,
 but officials in Islamabad emphatically denied 
knowledge of the flights.

Is there anyone in  the world who imagines that airplanes could fly into
and out of this besieged terrorist stronghold without the explicit and
deliberate approval of the highest US  command authorities?

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all things.

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64




Re: Edward Said

2001-10-05 Thread Shane Mage
Title: Re: [PEN-L:18153] Edward Said


Jim Devine asks:

according to a SLATE summary of an
article in the WEEKLY [DOUBLE] STANDARD, An article scorns Edward Said specifically
and post-colonial theory in general. As Said has watched his dream of
an alliance between Western liberalism and Arab nationalism crumble
with the World Trade Center, he has turned to the same
Orientalist language he's spent his career attacking. For
example, he recently derided the terrorists for their primitive
ideas, magical thinking, and lying religious
claptrap.

is this true?

primitive ideas, magical thinking, and
lying religious claptrap are certainly true
descriptions
of bin Laden and his fellow Islamistic Crusaders. But since Said
would certainly, and precisely correctly, use the same terms for
Falwell, Robertson, and the rest of their fellow-travelers in the
God Bless... crew, there's obviously nothing at all
Islamistic about his expressing, not for the first time,
this home truth.

Shane Mage

Thunderbolt steers all
things.

Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64









Re: Humid peek

2001-07-09 Thread Shane Mage

[was: [PEN-L:14852] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: Yet another take
on  Hubbert's peak]

 But I guess a glass at 50% capacity is always half empty.
  
   pessimist: the glass is half empty.
  
   optimist: the glass is half full.
  
   realist: it's half a glass of water.
  
   surrealist: it's a cow.
  

engineer: the glass is badly designed, being twice as big as it needs to be.

Socrates:  are you in the process of filling it or of drinking from it?



Shane Mage

When we read on a printed page the doctrine of Pythagoras that all things
are made of numbers, it seems mystical, mystifying, even downright silly.

When we read on a computer screen the doctrine of Pythagoras that all
things are made of numbers, it seems self-evidently true.  (N. Weiner)




Re: Re: ergonomics, etc.

2001-03-25 Thread Shane Mage

Nathan wrote:

...It just does not cut it to argue that Nader voters did not help elect
Bush

We could only have "helped elect" Bush if Bush had in fact been elected.
Which, of course, was the opposite of what happened...

National exit polls said that half of Nader voters would have supported
VicePresident Al Gore had Nader not been on the ticket. Thirty percent
said they
would not have voted and the rest would have gone for Bush.

In Florida, that would have translated into an additional 30,000 vote margin
for Gore.

This counterfactual, plus rotten data (no option to vote for any other
candidate?),
allows no inference about the Florida vote.  If I had voted in Florida,
and Nader had not been on the ballot, I would most certainly have
voted proudly for David McReynolds, the Socialist candidate, who *was*
on the Florida ballot.  Absent a Nader option, why should any voter
disgusted enough with Gore and Clinton to vote instead for the
leftist Nader-LaDuke ticket, *not* have voted for McReynolds?
Do you know of a single Florida voter whose electoral preferences
went 1) Nader, 2)Gore, 3)McReynolds?

Shane Mage

"Thunderbolt steers all things."


Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64





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