Response:

I got a call not long ago from my 5-year-old daughter's school. It seems
that she refused to repeat the "Pledge of Allegiance" because she felt "it
is a bunch of lies." Somehow, as a Blackfoot, she has a problem with the
concept of alleging the actuality [the promise is a lie also] of "liberty
and justice for all", "one nation indivisible" (She is a member of a nation
within a nation and knows children of many other Indian nations) and she
knows that whatever one's religion or concept of "God", supporting fascist
dictatorships, overthrowing sovereign states, supporting torture and
mindcontrol, imperialism and genocide in the Americas and elsewhere etc has
nothing to do with any relgion's concept of "God" and "God's" Commandments
(as articulated not as actually practiced)or a "nation under God".

The actual pledge of Allegiance was written in 1893 by Francis Bellamy as an
open instrument and attempt to do mass brainwashing in the school system. It
is interesting how in the US so many point to "mass brainwashing" under
"communism" while themselves being the most uncritical and
Stepford-Wives-and-Husbands-like products of true mass brainwashing by the
schools, churches, politicians and media of America. I asked my classes how
many supported bombing in Yugoslavia, Kosovo etc?; those who supported it, I
asked them to go up to the maps and show me the areas being bombed and not
one could.

BTW Henry, excellent selections from the Works of Chairman Mao to quote; I
can't see even a sliver of "Mein Kampf" in any of them.

Jim C


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>>> "Henry C.K. Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/29/99 10:51AM >>>
Typical.  I suggested a comparison of Kennedy's campaign speeches to Lin
Biao's
preface to Quotations From Mao, Professor DeLong produced a Kennedy
graduation
address at Harvard on Robert Frost.
Kennedy described through his adulation of Frost, an America I did not
recognize
in the 60s, nor now, nor do I see it going in that direction. 

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Charles: How about the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, recited mindlessly,
daily by millions of school children about the same time as the Red Books ?

How about if we get some of the nominating speeches at Dem and Rep party
conventions ?

How about George Washington never told a lie ?

How about television commercials and their praises of commodities ?

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Lin Biao wrote in his preface:

> In studying the works of Chairman Mao, one should have specific
> problems in mind, study and apply his works in a creative way,
> combine study with application, first study what must be urgently
> applied in order to get quick results, and strive hard to apply what
> one is studying.

> We have compiled Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung in order to help
the
> broad masses learn Mao Tse-tung's thought more effectively.
> In organizing their study, units should select passages that are
> relevant to the situation, their tasks, the current thinking of their
> personnel, and the state of their work.

It does not read like dictatorial oppression to me, as Professor DeLong
claims.

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Charles: So, what we have in the selective quotations earlier by Brad D. is
a form of distortion by omission. To call the above "bootlicking " and
adherence to an autocrat is a gross distortion.


Charles Brown

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More to the point, let me quote directly from the Quotations From Mao:

17. SERVING THE PEOPLE

We should be modest and prudent, guard against arrogance and rashness, and
serve
the Chinese people heart and soul. . . .

                "China's Two Possible Destinies" (April 23, 1945), Selected
Works,
Vol. III, p. 253.

Our point of departure is to serve the people whole-heartedly and never for
a
moment divorce ourselves from the masses, to proceed in all cases from the
interests of the people and not from the interests of
individuals or groups, and to understand the identity of our responsibility
to the
people and our responsibility to the leading organs of the Party.

                   "On Coalition Government" (April 24, 1945), Selected
Works,
Vol. III, p. 315.*

The organs of state must practise democratic centralism, they must rely on
the
masses and their personnel must serve the people.

   On the Correct Handling of Contradictions Among the People (February 27,
1957),
1st pocket ed., p.
 
8.*

Comrade Bethune's spirit, his utter devotion to others without any thought
of
self, was shown in his great sense of responsibility in his work and his
great
warm-heartedness towards all comrades and the people.
Every Communist must learn from him.
.. . . . . . . . . . .
We must all learn the spirit of absolute selflessness from him. With this
spirit
everyone can be very useful to the people. A man's ability may be great or
small,
but if he has this spirit, he is already noble-minded and pure, a man of
moral
integrity and above vulgar interests, a man who is of value to the people.

        "In Memory of Norman Bethune" (December 21, 1939), Selected Works,
Vol.
II, pp. 337-38.*

Our Communist Party and the Eighth Route and New Fourth Armies led by our
Party
are battalions of the revolution. These battalions of ours are wholly
dedicated to
the liberation of the people and work
entirely in the people's interests.

                       "Serve the People" (September 8, 1944), Selected
Works,
Vol. III, p. 227.

All our cadres, whatever their rank, are servants of the people, and
whatever we
do is to serve the people.
 How then can we be reluctant to discard any of our bad traits?

                                            "The Tasks for 1945" (December
15,
1944).

Our duty is to hold ourselves responsible to the people. Every word, every
act and
every policy must conform to the people's interests, and if mistakes occur,
they
must be corrected -- that is what being
responsible to the people means.

    "The Situation and Our Policy After the Victory in the War of Resistance
Against Japan" (August 13,
                                                 1945), Selected Works, Vol.
IV,
p. 16.

Wherever there is struggle there is sacrifice, and death is a common
occurrence.
But we have the interests of the people and the sufferings of the great
majority
at heart, and when we die for the people it is a
worthy death. Nevertheless, we should do our best to avoid unnecessary
sacrifices.

                       "Serve the People" (September 8, 1944), Selected
Works,
Vol. III, p. 228.

All men must die, but death can vary in its significance. The ancient
Chinese
writer Szuma Chien said, "Though death befalls all men alike, it may be
weightier
than Mount Tai or lighter than a feather." To die for the people is
weightier than
Mount Tai, but to work for the fascists and die for the exploiters and
oppressors
is lighter than a feather.

                                                                  Ibid., p.
227.*

To material like the above, Lin Biao wrote:

"We have compiled Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung in order to  help
the
broad masses learn Mao Tse-tung's thought more effectively.
In organizing their study, units should select passages that are
relevant to the situation, their tasks, the current thinking of their
personnel, and the state of their work.

It is our hope that all  comrades will learn earnestly and diligently, bring
about
a new  nation-wide high tide in the creative study and application of
Chairman
Mao's works and, under the great red banner of Mao Tse-tung's thought,
strive to
build our country into a great  socialist state with modern agriculture,
modern
industry, modern  science and culture, and modern national defence!"


Now, it is interesting to compare Mao's praise of Dr. Bethune's to Kennedy
celebration of Frost.  (Bethune was a Canadian surgeon who helped the
People's
Liberation Army during the revolution.)

Mao talked about: "We must all learn the spirit of absolute selflessness
from him.
With this spirit everyone can be very useful to the people. A man's ability
may be
great or small, but if he has this spirit, he is already noble-minded and
pure, a
man of moral integrity and above vulgar interests, a man who is of value to
the
people."

Kennedy, on the other hand, talked about: "In America our heroes have
customarily
run to men of large accomplishments."  Sounds perilously close to Fascism.

Frost is a fine Poet.  Yet Kennedy seems to me to be concerned with how to
bake a
fancier cake (even acknowledging that Frost was often skeptical about
projects for
human improvement), while Mao praised Bethune's spirit of a concern for
saving
lives of soldiers engaged in a liberation struggle.

One may not necessarily be morally superior to the other, in a timeless
sense.
Yet, personally, I identify more with the mission of Bethune.  But then, as
Professor DeLong implies, in my admiration for Mao, I don't really have the
sensitivity to appreciate the fine points of human aspiration. I am too
fixated on
mundane problems on the eliminating hunger rather than the designer dresses
and
French cousine of the Jacky White House

Brad De Long wrote:

> I didn't expect to be called a racist for daring to suggest that the
> people of China deserved better than to be ruled by a boot-licking
> theocrat like Lin Biao either...

As I said for the nth time, it is your callous lampoon of Chinese language
that
was an racist act, not your disagreement with Lin Biao.

Henry C.K. Liu



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