China Study Group

2004-08-03 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Jonathan Lassen writes:

Thanks LP for posting the review of Hart-Landsberg and
Burkett's long MR piece. I just picked up a copy
yesterday, and have been looking it over. I've got my
own little quibbles with it (not enough emphasis on rural
China, which I think is desperately important right now, they lump
pre-1976 China together as 'Maoist' China, etc.), but
personally I think it's a very welcome and timely piece.
I hope it continues to spark debate and interest.

I do not like to diminish the MR. Just... put it in perspective. Who
funds it? Have you met the people who do?

(I have met some of them.)

Likewise, with groups using .orgs.

So, here, to save reader's time, is from the Web site of China Group:

China Study Group is a New York based non-profit organization
formed in 1995 to facilitate networking of scholars/activists,
and promote dissemination of info and research works,

Another New York intelligentsia leftist group.

Without roots, perhaps, based on the self-description:

Members of the CSG support the broad goals of the Chinese
revolution that triumphed in 1949, and seek to stimulate
knowledge and debate regarding its achievements and
limitations, as well as to offer a critical perspective of the
radical changes that have occurred in China over the past 25
years and an ongoing analysis of its role in the world today.

No mention of the money, though. Are these rich people in the CSG
support?

My guess is -- and this is prejudicial against me, not you -- that these
people are academics or dilettantes without any roots in the cultures
they write about. (Only a guess.)

Nonetheless, China exists without the CSG, so, please, do not interpret
my skeptical view of information from the CSG as a refutation of China.
I think China might possibly be there for a long time -- even without
me.

Ken.

--
I am the passenger
And I ride and I ride
I ride through the city's backside
I see the stars come out of the sky
Yeah, they're bright in a hollow sky
You know it looks so good tonight
  -- The Passenger
 Iggy Pop, 1977


Re: China Study Group

2004-08-03 Thread Jonathan Lassen
Hi Kenneth Campbell,
Who funds Monthly Review? I have no idea.
I do know a bit about China Study Group, since I work with them. The
annual budget is about 100 dollars, which is what the website costs. All
the labor is volunteer.
 My guess is -- and this is prejudicial against me, not you -- that these
 people are academics or dilettantes without any roots in the cultures
 they write about. (Only a guess.)
Some are academics, most are not. Most of the members are from China.
None are dilettantes.
Cheers,
Jonathan
 wrote:
Jonathan Lassen writes:

Thanks LP for posting the review of Hart-Landsberg and
Burkett's long MR piece. I just picked up a copy
yesterday, and have been looking it over. I've got my
own little quibbles with it (not enough emphasis on rural
China, which I think is desperately important right now, they lump
pre-1976 China together as 'Maoist' China, etc.), but
personally I think it's a very welcome and timely piece.
I hope it continues to spark debate and interest.

I do not like to diminish the MR. Just... put it in perspective. Who
funds it? Have you met the people who do?
(I have met some of them.)
Likewise, with groups using .orgs.
So, here, to save reader's time, is from the Web site of China Group:
China Study Group is a New York based non-profit organization
formed in 1995 to facilitate networking of scholars/activists,
and promote dissemination of info and research works,
Another New York intelligentsia leftist group.
Without roots, perhaps, based on the self-description:
Members of the CSG support the broad goals of the Chinese
revolution that triumphed in 1949, and seek to stimulate
knowledge and debate regarding its achievements and
limitations, as well as to offer a critical perspective of the
radical changes that have occurred in China over the past 25
years and an ongoing analysis of its role in the world today.
No mention of the money, though. Are these rich people in the CSG
support?
My guess is -- and this is prejudicial against me, not you -- that these
people are academics or dilettantes without any roots in the cultures
they write about. (Only a guess.)
Nonetheless, China exists without the CSG, so, please, do not interpret
my skeptical view of information from the CSG as a refutation of China.
I think China might possibly be there for a long time -- even without
me.
Ken.
--
I am the passenger
And I ride and I ride
I ride through the city's backside
I see the stars come out of the sky
Yeah, they're bright in a hollow sky
You know it looks so good tonight
  -- The Passenger
 Iggy Pop, 1977


Re: China Study Group

2004-08-03 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Hi Kenneth Campbell,

Hi Jonathan Lassen!

Who funds Monthly Review? I have no idea.

I have an idea... grin. But I love the publication, nonetheless.

I do know a bit about China Study Group, since I work with them. The
annual budget is about 100 dollars, which is what the website
costs. All the labor is volunteer.

Okay... that sounds noble. Volunteer labour is in most things -- like
Christian summer camps.

Some are academics, most are not. Most of the members are from
China. None are dilettantes.

As I hope you understood, I meant no offence. China needs no help from
us.

Ken.

--
An important scientific innovation rarely makes
its way by gradually winning over and converting
its opponents: it rarely happens that Saul becomes
Paul.  What does happen is that its opponents
gradually die out and that the growing generation
is familiarized with the idea from the beginning.
  -- Max Planck


Re: China Study Group

2004-08-03 Thread Jonathan Lassen
Kenneth Campbell wrote:
As I hope you understood, I meant no offence. China needs no help from
us.
I'm not sure why China provokes such strong feelings of
separateness/alienation.
Let's all just stay in our hermetically sealed container-states, it's
much safer.
JL