Re: Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon

2002-10-12 Thread Doyle Saylor
Greetings Economists,
Tom's comment is correct about attachments.  However, that seems to me to
point out another problem with email lists.  Email is not designed to carry
graphical content.  Web pages are more efficient means of communicating
collaborative graphical imagery.  A portal based place for groups to share
resources and archived forums, chats, lists etc. meets a lot of people's
needs better.

To my mind designing a left oriented environment that tries to build our
sort of social relations is the direction that Ralph was trying to point at.
We have a lot to work out with the web to build for the working class.  The
most important part it seems to me is collaborate work not just write notes
back and forth.  The depth is missing from individual efforts.  A movie made
for public consumption requires many hands, and so it is with a left web,
many hands building something.  Where the viruses create havoc it also
stifles peoples efforts to express themselves.

That isn't to say Tom's comment is right and how one ought to direct notes
to this list, but I strongly advocate we build something more for the left.
To focus more strongly upon the collaborative work that we can do.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor




Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon

2002-10-11 Thread Carrol Cox

Has anyone else seen and opened the 483k attachment to Ralph Johansen's
post? I don't think such posts should be sent except after a preliminary
post announcing that they are coming and that they are virus-free?

Carrol




Re: Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon

2002-10-11 Thread Michael Perelman

Yes, I have asked before not to send big things like this.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:15:47PM -0500, Carrol Cox wrote:
 Has anyone else seen and opened the 483k attachment to Ralph Johansen's
 post? I don't think such posts should be sent except after a preliminary
 post announcing that they are coming and that they are virus-free?
 
 Carrol
 

-- 
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

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RE: Re: Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon

2002-10-11 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31260] Re: Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon





It doesn't seem to have a virus, though. (I didn't save it. I just opened it. Norton didn't object. Nor did Kramden.) 

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine




 -Original Message-
 From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 1:17 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [PEN-L:31260] Re: Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon
 
 
 Yes, I have asked before not to send big things like this.
 
 On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:15:47PM -0500, Carrol Cox wrote:
  Has anyone else seen and opened the 483k attachment to 
 Ralph Johansen's
  post? I don't think such posts should be sent except after 
 a preliminary
  post announcing that they are coming and that they are virus-free?
  
  Carrol
  
 
 -- 
 Michael Perelman
 Economics Department
 California State University
 Chico, CA 95929
 
 Tel. 530-898-5321
 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 





Re: RE: Re: Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon

2002-10-11 Thread Ralph Johansen
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31260] Re: Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon



Criminentlies, cmrds, I am learning. I posted as original rather than as 
attachment because I have correspondents who tell me they don't open attachments 
or can't do so. But no more. I had no URL to send, because this was my rendering 
of a 25-year old Guindon cartoon. 

And I sent it as a memento of thejingoist holiday coming up, 
withoutsuspecting that it consumed 423k. 

Advice, please. Should I send things that are this long only following an 
invitation to request that they be sent separately? That's no fun. What other 
way? Anyhow, my apologies.

I also installed Norton-Symantec several months ago, and now a device to 
let me know whether virus alerts are bogus. Alarums and night creatures abound 
in the hazardous world of the binary digit. I should maybe get out the way, or 
go find a twitlist.

Incidentally, I've just read Nelson Peery's The Future is Up to Us, and I 
find it to be loaded with thoughtful material.It needs review and 
analysis, but maybe this has happened and I've missed it. I find only Lew 
Rosenbaum's reviewvia Google, which is not very analytical. Peery in part 
takes off from Marx's observation [without attribution, by the way] in the 
Grundrisse about the destruction of the value relation through robotization 
marking the crisis of legitimacy for capital. And Peery owes the reader a 
bibliography or footnotes, although I understand that this book comprises 
interviews and conversations.
Ralph

  - Original Message - 
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  Devine, James 

  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:26 
  AM
  Subject: [PEN-L:31262] RE: Re: Re: 
  Columbus as prototype - after Guindon
  
  It doesn't seem to have a virus, though. (I didn't save it. I 
  just opened it. Norton didn't object. Nor did Kramden.)  Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine 
  
   -Original Message-  
  From: Michael Perelman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 1:17 PM  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
  Subject: [PEN-L:31260] Re: Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon 
 Yes, I have asked before not to send big things like this. 
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 
  03:15:47PM -0500, Carrol Cox wrote:   Has 
  anyone else seen and opened the 483k attachment to  Ralph Johansen's   post? I don't 
  think such posts should be sent except after  a 
  preliminary   post announcing that they are 
  coming and that they are virus-free?   
Carrol   
--  Michael Perelman  Economics 
  Department  California State University 
   Chico, CA 95929  
   Tel. 530-898-5321  
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Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon

2002-10-11 Thread Tom Walker
Better: do not send attachments to a list. If you receive attachments do not
open them. Only open attachments if you know who they are coming from and
what they are.

Tom Walker
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