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Hi again, Norm, please ignore what Eric and other luddites tell you about CD sound quality because it is far better than that of tapes and LPs. listening to a live performance is the only "real" sound, but that comes at the price of travel, admission, audience disturbances, etc. for some people, CDs are "too perfect" since the engineer can correct minor errors of the performers w/o retakes. (i remember (classic guitarist) Julian Bream saying, "I have a hard time keeping up to my recordings!") is that sound "bad"? the luddites will always insist that the pops, scratches and breaks "sound good". they probably still use washboards too! just ignore them. Well, it might not be the pops, scratches and breaks that appeal. Popular music is, like the ads say, a sorta soundtrack to a person's life - especially during that apprentice-snogging/leaving-home period (at least they're the bits that stand out to me). Music's job, in part at least, is to bloody well sound like it used to. The Led Zeppelin twin-set remastered CD bloody well doesn't! Bugger Jimmy Page's fingers tracing the fretboard between cords! That wasn't in the original! And what about all those bands who were engineered to sound best on car radios (a pretty sensible option in the sixties-seventies)? Didn't the Byrds like that Rickenbacker/Vox jangle precisely because it stood out on the ol' trannie? That ain't so much luddite thinking as mid-life crisis, I know, but you take my point ... Cheers, Rob.
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The reason music used to sound like vinyl is that it was on vinyl, pops, scratches, and all. But if you want to listen to final, feel free. Me, I am happy listening to classic jazz that was unavailable in vinyl. AND that sounds lots better than it could on dusty old '78s or LP salvaged from the 50s. Do you want to know what a Blue Note LP from 55 sounds like now, if you can find it? --jks please ignore what Eric and other luddites tell you about CD sound quality because it is far better than that of tapes and LPs. listening to a live performance is the only "real" sound, but that comes at the price of travel, admission, audience disturbances, etc. for some people, CDs are "too perfect" since the engineer can correct minor errors of the performers w/o retakes. (i remember (classic guitarist) Julian Bream saying, "I have a hard time keeping up to my recordings!") is that sound "bad"? the luddites will always insist that the pops, scratches and breaks "sound good". they probably still use washboards too! just ignore them. Well, it might not be the pops, scratches and breaks that appeal. Popular music is, like the ads say, a sorta soundtrack to a person's life - especially during that apprentice-snogging/leaving-home period (at least they're the bits that stand out to me). Music's job, in part at least, is to bloody well sound like it used to. The Led Zeppelin twin-set remastered CD bloody well doesn't! Bugger Jimmy Page's fingers tracing the fretboard between cords! That wasn't in the original! And what about all those bands who were engineered to sound best on car radios (a pretty sensible option in the sixties-seventies)? Didn't the Byrds like that Rickenbacker/Vox jangle precisely because it stood out on the ol' trannie? That ain't so much luddite thinking as mid-life crisis, I know, but you take my point ... Cheers, Rob. _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
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(i remember (classic guitarist) Julian Bream saying, "I have a hard time keeping up to my recordings!") Yeah, but that's because he is a notoriously erratic performer anyhow... and I bet he said that before the era of CDs.
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This would fall under my definition of fussy, but to each his own. I'll probably buy a $200 driver (Taylor TI2 Bubbleshaft; I know, go ahead and make up a joke) next spring. mbs I recommend a Linn turntable (basik), good value for a tidy sum! I think at 450, which I have been eyeing it for some years! I do have Linn speakers (lowest end) though and they are excellent:) Anthony
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Jim may teach there, but he does not preach there. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Ken Hanly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, December 03, 2000 1:04 PM Subject: [PEN-L:5415] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: needs Well Jim teaches at a Jesuit college doesnt he. And we all know Justin is a lawyer with a large libido. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - The human need for sex might be seen as good in some ways, since it helps the human race perpetuate itself over the generations. Not why _I_ think sex is good.
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Bananas are one thing. Raw materials are quite another, I would say. Same goes for outsourced plants. You could be right. I suspect capitalism would have developed w/ or without colonies, if not as quickly. mbs Max (and Louis), I am not disputing that there is much that is exploitative in the trade and investment relations involved in the integration of poorer countries into the world economy. Obviously Sweden is in many ways a special case. But, would the EU as a whole be drastically worse off if they were to cease importing bananas (and other items) from Central America? I don't think so. Heck, they were just trying to keep out United Fruit-shipped bananas quite recently for heck's sake! Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 04, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: [PEN-L:5484] RE: Re: Re: Re: needs, wants, definitions Just for shock purposes, I'll take Louis' side insofar as I don't think you have debunked his premise. Sweden is quite a special case, not only because it escaped damage in WWII. Even putting that aside, Sweden is integrated in a world system that is prey to L's charge. If it was an autarchy, you would have a point. mbs Louis, Guess I'll dust it up with you here.
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Barkely, But isn't that the point. Here is the EU trying to right an historic wrong by helping small producers rather than an exploitative US Corporation? Paul Paul Phillips, Economics, University of Manitoba Heck, they were just trying to keep out United Fruit-shipped bananas quite recently for heck's sake! Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Max Sawicky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, December 04, 2000 1:12 PM Subject: [PEN-L:5484] RE: Re: Re: Re: needs, wants, definitions Just for shock purposes, I'll take Louis' side insofar as I don't think you have debunked his premise. Sweden is quite a special case, not only because it escaped damage in WWII. Even putting that aside, Sweden is integrated in a world system that is prey to L's charge. If it was an autarchy, you would have a point. mbs Louis, Guess I'll dust it up with you here.
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I recommend a Linn turntable (basik), good value for a tidy sum! I think at 450, which I have been eyeing it for some years! I do have Linn speakers (lowest end) though and they are excellent:) Anthony xxx Anthony P. D'Costa, Associate Professor Comparative International Development University of WashingtonCampus Box 358436 1900 Commerce Street Tacoma, WA 98402, USA Phone: (253) 692-4462 Fax : (253) 692-5718 xxx On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Max Sawicky wrote: Depends on how fussy you are. I investigated buying a turntable in hopes of transferring our records to CD's. You can find them at Circuit City and Best Buy for a hundred bucks or so. Not many choices, but not hard to find a couple. mbs We should remember the imposed obsolescence part of the story. Nowadays, my wife's and my very large LP collection is largely useless unless we go out and buy a new turn-table, which are currently quite expensive (and sometimes hard to find). I don't have good enough ears to agree with Eric Clapton that CDs are anathema (since they don't sound good) and I'm not that worried about the difficulty of getting good cover art into such a small box, so besides the obsolesce part, they seem pretty good. No-one could ever play an LP in a car. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
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Try out a good vacuum tube amp and you will notice the difference in sound. xxx Anthony P. D'Costa, Associate Professor Comparative International Development University of WashingtonCampus Box 358436 1900 Commerce Street Tacoma, WA 98402, USA Phone: (253) 692-4462 Fax : (253) 692-5718 xxx On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Mikalac Norman S NSSC wrote: JL: I don't have good enough ears to agree with Eric Clapton that CDs are anathema (since they don't sound good) - please ignore what Eric and other luddites tell you about CD sound quality because it is far better than that of tapes and LPs. listening to a live performance is the only "real" sound, but that comes at the price of travel, admission, audience disturbances, etc. for some people, CDs are "too perfect" since the engineer can correct minor errors of the performers w/o retakes. (i remember (classic guitarist) Julian Bream saying, "I have a hard time keeping up to my recordings!") is that sound "bad"? the luddites will always insist that the pops, scratches and breaks "sound good". they probably still use washboards too! just ignore them. norm
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Well Jim teaches at a Jesuit college doesnt he. And we all know Justin is a lawyer with a large libido. Cheers, Ken Hanly - Original Message - The human need for sex might be seen as good in some ways, since it helps the human race perpetuate itself over the generations. Not why _I_ think sex is good.
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Justin, You've just got to remember that Louis runs the marxism list. Therefore, he gets to decide who is and is not a Marxist, or ex-Marxist, or proto-Marxist, or. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Justin Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, December 02, 2000 4:41 PM Subject: [PEN-L:5384] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: needs Are you attributing this split-level, materialist (in the invidious sense) view to me? Or casting aspersions on my parents, people about whom you know nothing? I didn't say anything about what needs would be good for people to have. I just said that a desirable socialism would generate more new needs, not diminish our needs. I am rather inclined to agree with you, Louis, that a middle-class, suburban American lifestyle is not sustainable for six or ten billion people, and that a sustaianble set of needs will have to be rather different from those we now have. I certainly disagree with Jim H's SUV socialism, a Suburban Assault Vehicle (or two) in every garage. But my point was just that even this is to say something different from saying that we have all the needs we ought, too many in fact, and that we ought to all cut back, live simply, etc. I also think that we will not get anywhere with first world workers telling them that they must sacrifice; rather, the needs that motivate them will have to arise rom a lived experience of common struggle, so that reording of priorities will not be experienced as sacrifice or renunciation of privilege. Workers in the advanced countries don't feel particularly privileged, even if they are better off than workers and peasants in poorer nations, and so guilt-tripping them will produce resentment rather than solidarity with those people in other countries. If you are calling me an "ex-Marxist," Louis, I don't accept the label. I don't know whether it makes sense to talk about "being a Marxist" at a time when there are no more mass workers' movement organized ariound avowedly Marxist principles; but unlike ex-Marxists, I don't say that Marxism as a theory has been refuted or shown to be defective. Indeed, I don't think so. It's only as a movement that I think that Marxism as it conceived itself in the 19th and 20th centuries has come a cropper. That may be a big "only," but it's still an important distinction. In any case, as I have told you many times over the years, I don't care if I qualify as a "Marxist" by someone's standards. I want to have true, defensible views that are politically effective. I don't think your classical Marxism qualifies on either count. I never did. Maybe that makes me a "never-Marxist," but it does not make me an "ex-Marxist." I'm not in my late 40's--yet. --jks Marx was talking about eliminating hunger, economic insecurity, war, racial injustice, poverty-induced disease, etc. He was not equating socialism with the life style of privileged workers in imperialist nations. In fact, this life style is unattainable without exploiting the rest of the world. It is something I used to hear from Heartfield ad nauseum, until he found greener pastures. It is a con job based on the notion that people in Africa, Asia and Latin America can aspire to the current life style of people in G7 nations. If anything, many of the privileges these folks enjoy must be curtailed for the health of the planet, starting with automobiles, easy access to tropical fruits, suburban housing of the kind found in greater New York, etc. Basically, all this is not only environmentally unsustainable, it is not what people are looking for. It amazes me to see ex-Marxists in their late 40s and 50s returning to the stifling middle-class values of their parents. It is split-level New Jersey filtered through the Grundrisse. Ugh. Louis Proyect Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/ ___ __ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
