economy in novels: booklist

2002-11-21 Thread David Zimmerman
Here are two book lists. The first lists the major texts of a graduate course I teach on "19th-Century American Literature and the Marketplace" (I am a literature professor). They're not all novels. The second lists books of literary criticism that focus on pre-20th-century American and British literature about economics, markets, exchange, finance, money, etc.  I did not list scholarly treatments of labor and literature.

REQUIRED TEXTS :
Caroline Kirkland, Home as I Found It. Who'll Follow? (1839)
Henry David Thoreau, Walden (1854)
P. T. Barnum, The Life of P.T. Barnum, Written by Himself (1855)
Nathaniel Hawthorne, The House of the Seven Gables (1851)
Harriet Beecher Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin (1852)
William Craft, Running a Thousand Miles for Freedom (1860)
Harriet Wilson, Our Nig (1859)
William Dean Howells, The Rise of Silas Lapham (1885)
Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson (1894)
Edith Wharton, The House of Mirth (1905)
Frank Norris, The Pit (1903)
Theodore Dreiser, Sister Carrie, Penguin edition (1981) [1900]
Mark Twain, "The Man that Corrupted Hadleyburg" (1898)
course reader materials

RELEVANT LITERARY CRITICISM:
Jeffrey Sklansky, The Soul's Economy : Market Society and Selfhood in American Thought, 1820-1920 (2002)
Mohamed Zayani, Reading the Symptom: Frank Norris, Theodore Dreiser, and the Dynamics of Capitalism (1999)
Christophe Den Tandt, The Urban Sublime in American Naturalism (1998)
Lori Merish, Sentimental Materialism: Gender, Commodity Culture, and Nineteenth-Century American Literature (1997)

Brook Thomas, American Literary Realism and the Failed Promise of Contract (1997)
Bill Brown, The Material Unconscious: American Amusement, Stephen Crane, and the Economics of Play (1996)
James Livingston, Pragmatism and the Political Economy of Cultural Revolution, 1850-1940 (1997), ch. 6
Da Zheng, Moral Economy and American Realist Fiction (1996)
Richard Godden, Fictions of Capital, the American Novel from James to Mailer (1992)
Mark Seltzer, Bodies and Machines (1992), pt. II
Howard Horwitz, By the Law of Nature: Form and Value in Nineteenth-Century America (1991)
Gillian Brown, Domestic Individualism: Imagining Self in Nineteenth-Century America (1990)
Susan Coultrap-McQuin. Doing Literary Business: American Women Writers in the Nineteenth Century (1990)
Amy Kaplan, The Social Construction of American Realism (1988)
Walter Benn Michaels, The Gold Standard and the Logic of Naturalism: American Literature at the Turn of the Century (1987)
Michael T. Gilmore, American Romanticism and the Marketplace (1985)
June Howard, Form and History in American Literary Naturalism (1985)
Christopher Wilson, The Labor of Words: Literary Professionalism in the Progressive Era (1985)
Roy Male, ed. Money Talks: Language and Lucre in American Fiction (1979)
Lisle Abbott Rose, "A Bibliographical Survey of Economic and Political Writings, 1865-1900." American Literature 15:4 (Jan. 1944), 381-410
Walter F. Taylor, The Economic Novel in America (1942)
Claude R. Flory, Economic Criticism in American Fiction, 1792-1900 (1937)

On British and other literature:
Catherine Gallagher. The Industrial Reformation of English Fiction (1985)
Sandra Sherman, Finance and Fictionality in the Eighteenth Century: Accounting for Defoe (1996)
John Vernon, Money and Fiction: Literary Realism in the Nineteenth and Early Twentieth Centuries (1984)
James Thompson, Models of Value: Eighteenth-Century Political Economy and the Novel (1996)
Catherine Ingrassia, Authorship, Commerce, and Gender in Early Eighteenth-Century England : a Culture of Paper Credit (1998)
Rachel Bowlby, Just Looking: Consumer Culture in Dreiser, Gissing, and Zola (1985)
Patrick Brantlinger, Fictions of State: Culture and Credit in Britain, 1694-1994 (1996)
Catherine Gallagher. Nobody's Story: The Vanishing of Women Writers in the Marketplace, 1670-1820 (1994)
Audrey Jaffe, Scenes of Sympathy: Identity and Representation in Victorian Fiction (2000)
Marc Shell, Money, Language, and Thought: Literary and Philosophical Economies from the Medieval to the Modern Era (1982)
Marc Shell,The Economy of Literature (1979)
Jean-Joseph Goux, The Coiners of Language (trans. 1994)


David Zimmerman
English Dept.
University of Wisconsin, Madison
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Re: Re: Re: economy in novels

2002-11-15 Thread Mohammad Maljoo
Also, see . Bruna Ingrao, “Economic Life in Ninteenth-Century Novels: What 
Economists might Learn from Literature,” in Guido Erreygers (ed.), 
_Economics and Interdisciplinary Exchange_ (London and New York:
Routledge, 2001).

Mohammad Maljoo







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Stephen Hymer's Monthly Review article on Robinson Crusoe is an excellent
example of using novels to teach economics.
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Re: economy in novels

2002-11-15 Thread Michael Hoover
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism they portray. 
Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say, Dickens' Hard Times). 
Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat

jack conroy's 'the disinherited',  meridel lesuer's 'the girl' (both depression 
era)...   michael hoover




Re: economy in novels

2002-11-15 Thread Tom Walker
Oh, I almost forgot to mention Walter Brierley's The Sandwichman, 1937. I
recommended this one before in reply to a Pen-l thread a couple of years ago
on Workplace Literature. So I'll just recycle my 2 1/2 year old message:

Louis Proyect wrote or quoted:

Marx warned that, in a capitalist system, the worker becomes a
commodity, and indeed, the most despised of commodities. Saunders'
correction is that the worker becomes an advertisement, and, indeed, the
most wretchedly inarticulate of advertisements. . . 

I would like to here and now start a cult for a 1937 book by Walter
Brierley titled, The Sandwichman. Actually, I'd like to start a cult for
about 25 pages in the book, from 201 to 226, wherein the unemployed
protagonist, Arthur Gardner, temporarily works at two 'jobs'. The first
assignment is as the sandwichman of the book's title, advertising a sale
at a furniture store. The second is as an adult education night school
lecturer, presenting a series of six lectures on drama, one on
pre-Shakespearean, one -- or two, perhaps -- on Shakespeare, then
Restoration and the Romantic comedy in one, then two on the moderns.

As a sandwichman for the furniture store, Arthur wears a sign that
proclaims: SALE! SALE! SALE! LATHAM'S! LATHAM'S! LATHAMS!. His lectures,
in Fritchburn, a little village about half-way between Pirley and
Leawood, are advertised by an paper stuck to a bus-stop hoarding
announcing Arthur's name in large capitals and the subject of
that evening's lecture.

Arthur manages to delude himself into believing that hawking culture as
if it were furniture is somehow more 'respectible' than hawking furniture,
but other than the delusion, the former comes off as a more profound
humiliation than the former.


Tom Walker
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Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Katherine Campbell
 A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
 they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
 Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat

The Cave by Jose Saramago?  New translation reviewed in today's Christian
Science Monitor.

Kathy Campbell




Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat


*   ...In the morning I walked to the bank.  I went to the 
automated teller machine to check my balance.  I inserted my card, 
entered my secret code, tapped out my request.  The figure on the 
screen roughly corresponded to my independent estimate, feebly 
arrived at after long searches through documents, tormented 
arithmetic.  Waves of relief and gratitude flowed over me.  The 
system had blessed my life.  I felt its support and approval.  The 
system hardware, the mainframe sitting in a locked room in some 
distant city.  What a pleasant interaction.  I sensed that something 
of deep personal value, but not money, not that at all, had been 
authenticated and confirmed.  A deranged person was escorted from the 
bank by two armed guards.  The system was invisible, which made it 
all the more impressive, all the more disquieting to deal with.  But 
we were in accord, at least for now

(Don DeLillo, _White Noise_ [1984], Chapter 10)   *
--
Yoshie

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Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Michael Pollak

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Mat Forstater wrote:

 A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
 they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
 Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts.

I think the greatest of all time is _JR_ by William Gaddis.  It might be
kind of hard to fit into a student schedule, though.  Although the picture
of capitalism should be perfectly clear after the first hundred pages or
so.

Michael




Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Christian Gregory
Hey Mat,

A friend (you know who you are) recently turned me on to Gaddis' _JR_. [It's
difficult, but (so far) interesting.] If your student doesn't want something
quite so formally experimental, he might try Richard Powers' _Gain_ (which is
really great); Paul Erdman wrote dimestore econ novels in the 70's--the most
well known is _The Crash of '79_. And, of course, there's always _Bonfire of
the Vanities_. If you want early in the century, you could do worse than Frank
Norris' _The Pit_ and _The Octopus_. I also think it might be interesting to
compare these to the non-fiction narrative of Michael Lewis, who is a pretty
fair storyteller.

Christian




Re: Economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Tom Walker
The Scarlet Empire, David M. Parry, 1906. This one is definitely not post
WWII, but it is notable for its explicit treatment of the point of view of
American right-wing industrialists. Parry was president of the National
Association of Manufacturers at the time he wrote the novel and the N.A.M.
was engaged in its infamous open shop campaign of union busting.  The
novel, set in the undersea socialist dystopia of Atlantis projects the dire
consequences of legislation establishing an eight-hour day.

For a stark contrast, pair that chestnut with Gabe Sinclair's _The Four Hour
Day_, 2000  http://www.fourhourday.org/, Taken together, the two novels
neatly bookend the 20th century and its distracted economic thinking. In my
view, they also clearly show why the central economic question is the
determination of the hours of work, not the determination of the prices of
commodities. To the extent that political economy focuses on the latter and
neglects the former, it is an exercise in mystification.

Tom Walker
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Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat


*   ...Our sentence does not sound severe.  Whatever commandment 
the prisoner has disobeyed is written upon his body by the Harrow. 
This prisoner, for instance -- the officer indicated the man -- 
will have written on this body: HONOR THY SUPERIORS!...Can you 
follow it?  The Harrow is beginning to write; when it finishes the 
first draft of the inscription on the man's back, the layer of cotton 
wool begins to roll and slowly turns the body over, to give the 
Harrow fresh space for writing.  Meanwhile the raw part that has been 
written on lies on the cotton wool, which is specially prepared to 
staunch the bleeding and so makes all ready for a new deepening of 
the scriptSo it keeps on writing deeper and deeper for the whole 
twelve hours.  The first six hours the condemned man stays alive 
almost as before, he suffers only pain.  After two hours the felt gag 
is taken away, for he has no longer strength to scream.  Here, into 
this electrically heated basin at the head of the Bed, some warm rice 
pap is poured, from which the man, if he feels like it, can take as 
much as his tongue can lap.  Not one of them ever misses the chance. 
I can remember none, and my experience is extensive.  Only about the 
sixth hour does the man lose all desire to eat.  I usually kneel down 
here at that moment and observe what happens.  The man rarely 
swallows his last mouthful, he only rolls it around his mouth and 
spits it out into the pit.  I have to duck just then or he would spit 
it in my face.  But how quiet he grows at just about the sixth hour! 
Enlightenment comes to the most dull-witted.  It begins around the 
eyes.  From there it radiates.  A moment that might tempt one to get 
under the Harrow oneself.  Nothing more happens than that the man 
begins to understand the inscription, he purses his mouth as if he 
were listening.  You have seen how difficult it is to decipher the 
script with one's eyes; but our man deciphers it with his wounds.  To 
be sure, that is a hard task; he needs six hours to accomplish it. 
By that time the Harrow has pierced him quite through and casts him 
into the pit, where he pitches down upon the blood and water and the 
cotton wool.  Then the judgment has been fulfilled, and we, the 
soldier and I, bury him

(Franz Kafka, In the Penal Colony [written in 1914, first published 
in 1919], Trans. Willa and Edwin Muir)   *

Cf. John Frow, In the Penal Colony, _Australian Humanities Review_ 
April-June 1999, 
http://www.lib.latrobe.edu.au/AHR/archive/Issue-April-1999/frow3.html
--
Yoshie

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Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread joanna bujes
At 08:31 PM 11/13/2002 -0600, you wrote:

A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat



These three are roughly about the same time period: WWI to the depression.


Fitzgerald Great Gatsby

Laxness Independent People

Silone Fontamara

Joanna




Re: Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Carrol Cox


Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:
 

 
 (Franz Kafka, In the Penal Colony

The Christian criticism of the 1940s and 1950s turned this work upside
down, into a justification of Divine Justice.

Carrol




Re: Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Stephen Hymer's Monthly Review article on Robinson Crusoe is an excellent
example of using novels to teach economics.
-- 
Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929

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RE: Re: Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Devine, James
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no, they count as propaganda. They use a lot of references to things that are true (according to current knowledge) to back up a world-view that says that markets are the natural state of the world and the best way of doing things (perhaps aided by wise technocrats). 


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Re: Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Do most economics principles texts count as fiction?
-- 
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Economics Department
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Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Michael Pollak

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Devine, James wrote:

  Do most economics principles texts count as fiction?

 No, they count as propaganda.

It's possible for something to be both, even to be great at both, to be
great literature and great propaganda.  Shakespeare's _Richard III_, for
example.

Michael




Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote:




 (Franz Kafka, In the Penal Colony


The Christian criticism of the 1940s and 1950s turned this work upside
down, into a justification of Divine Justice.

Carrol


Here's a bit about Kafka's life that Mat might pass to his student, 
in case s/he gets hermeneutically challenged by a Christian reading:

*   ...Mention has already been made of Kafka's work as an 
insurance assessor in the Workers' Accident Insurance Institute, and 
its possible role as a source for his imaginative fiction.  Indeed 
[Max] Brod thought it self-evident that, as he put it, 'whole 
chapters of the novels _The Trial_ and _The Castle_ derive their 
outer covers, their realistic wrappings, from the atmosphere Kafka 
breathed in the Workers Accident Institute'.  He also recalls Kafka's 
anger at the meekness of workers mutilated in avoidable industrial 
accidents, who approached the Institute as suppliants instead of 
storming it and smashing it to bits.[21]  To this we might add 
Kafka's experiences of the family businesses, the fancy-goods store 
owned by his father and the asbestos works in which he was for a time 
a partner.  Undoubtedly, these provided him with first-hand 
experience of industrial relations, practices, and conditions.  In 
'Letter to his Father' Kafka recalls Hermann Kafka's 'tyrannising' 
way with his employees, whom he regarded as 'paid enemies', to which 
Kafka adds that his father was in turn their 'paying enemy'.[22]  In 
his diary he expresses his sympathy for the women in the asbestos 
factory whose work threatens to turn them into dehumanized, 
exploitable objects before they escape at the end of each shift 
(5.XI.12; D1[_The Diaries of Franz Kafka 1910-13_, ed. Max Brod, tr. 
Joseph Kresh, London: Secker and Warburg, 1948]: 231).  His 
professional duties brought him into contact with industrial 
enterprises in and around Prague, with the devious ways of employers 
unwilling to pay the appropriate accident insurance premiums for 
their workers, and often with the complicity of workers themselves. 
And he was himself, of course, also an employee, familiar with the 
uncertainties and frustrations of his class.  It has only recently 
been realised that, in 1912, as Anthony Northey reports:

Kafka the insurance agency employee was also involved in the creation 
of an Association of Officials of the Workers' Accident Insurance 
Institute, the closest these white-collar workers could come to 
forming a union: Kafka was treasurer of the Association for a brief 
period.  Thus, Kafka occupied the two conflicting position of 
factory-owner and union leader at the same time.[23]

He was evidently underpaid for his level of qualifications, and as a 
Jew was lucky to find employment at the Institute -- he happened to 
know the President in 1908, Dr. Otto Pribram, himself a converted 
Jew.  In 1917, Kafka wrote to Brod that the Institute was now 'closed 
to Jews' (13.XI.17; LFFE [_Letters to Friends, Family, and Editors_, 
ed. Max Brod, tr. Richard and Clara Winston, NY: Schocken, 1978]: 
165).  His professional experiences undoubtedly inform his fictional 
presentations of technology, for example in _The Man who Disappeared_ 
[Amerika/America] and 'In the Penal Colony'.  They are also reflected 
in the detailed attention to the conditions of employment imposed on 
K. in _The Castle_.  Andrew Weeks has traced the parallels between 
this novel and the protracted struggle of Habsburg civil servants 
(the white-collar 'trade union' to which Kafka belonged) for a code 
of service, illuminating the connections with a class struggle very 
close to Kafka's heart.[24]  Issues of status, autonomy and 
dependence, are already present, for K. at least, 'between the lines' 
of the letter which seems to confirm his appointment as the Castle's 
land-surveyor, but in which he perceives a threat to reduce his 
existence to 'life as a worker.  Service, foreman, work, conditions 
of pay, duty, worker, the letter was swarming with it' (DS [_Das 
Schloß (The Castle)_: 35).  K. is fearful that such a life, planned 
for him by the Castle, will be one of subjugation, effectively 
nullifying the threat he poses, in his own mind, at least, to the 
established order


[21] Max Brod, _Franz Kafka: a Biography_, tr. G. Humphreys Roberts 
and Richard Winston (New York: Schocken, 1973), pp. 82-4.
[22] 'Letter to his Father', in _Wedding Preparations in the Country 
and other Posthumous Writings_, with Notes by Max Brod, tr. Ernst 
Kaiser and Eithne Wilkins (London: Secker and Warburg, 1954), p. 181.
[23] Anthony Northey, _Kafka's Relatives: their Lives and his 
Writing_ (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 1991), p. 96.
[24] [W.J.]  Dodd (ed.), _Kafka: The Metamorphosis, The Trial and The 
Castle_, [London: Longman, 1995], pp. 171-88.

(Bill Dodd, The Case for a Political Reading, _The Cambridge 
Companion to Kafka_, ed. Julian Preece, pp. 138-139)   *
--
Yoshie

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Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat


J.K. Huysmans, _Against the Grain [A Rebours]_ (1884), Chapter 16:

*   After the aristocracy of birth, it was now the turn of the 
aristocracy of money; it was the Caliphate of the counting-house, the 
despotism of the Rue du Sentier, the tyranny of commerce with its 
narrow-minded, venal ideas, its ostentatious and rascally instincts.

More nefarious, more vile than the nobility it had plundered and the 
clergy it had overthrown, the bourgeoisie borrowed their frivolous 
love of show, their decrepit boastfulness, which it vulgarized by its 
lack of good manners, stole their defects which it aggravated into 
hypocritical vices.  Obstinate and sly, base and cowardly, it shot 
down ruthlessly its eternal and inevitable dupe, the populace, which 
it had itself unmuzzled and set on to spring at the throat of the old 
castes!

Now the victory was won.  Its task once completed, the plebs had been 
for its health's sake bled to the last drop, while the bourgeois, 
secure in his triumph, throned it jovially by dint of his money and 
the contagion of his folly.  The result of his rise to power had been 
the destruction of all intelligence, the negation of all honesty, the 
death of all art; in fact, the artists and men of letters, in their 
degradation, had fallen to their knees and were devouring with ardent 
kisses the unwashed feet of the high-placed horse-jockeys and 
low-bred satraps on whose alms they lived!

...It was the vast, foul bagnio of America transported to our 
Continent; it was, in a word, the limitless, unfathomable, 
incommensurable firmament of blackguardism of the financier and the 
self-made man, beaming down, like a despicable sun, on the idolatrous 
city that grovelled on its belly, hymning vile songs of praise before 
the impious tabernacle of Commerce.

Well, crumble then, society! perish, old world! cried Des 
Esseintes, indignant at the ignominy of the spectacle he had conjured 
up,--and the exclamation broke the nightmare that oppressed him. 
*
--
Yoshie

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Re: Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Perphaps Goebels succeeded utterly in hijacking the word propaganda,
but in the 70 years or so since that hijacking, no one has really come
up with a word to serve the original quite neutral or even positive
meaning of the term -- namely, truthful writing intended to deepen the
understanding of those who have already grasped the truth of that which
is being explained but require a deeper understanding if they are to act
successfully on the basis of that truth. Education or political
education works in some contexts, but is not always or ususally
satisfactory. I think it's worthwhile to cling to the term (with
whatever parenthetical explanation is necessary) whenever that is at all
possible.

Carrol

Michael Pollak wrote:
 
 On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Devine, James wrote:
 
   Do most economics principles texts count as fiction?
 
  No, they count as propaganda.
 
 It's possible for something to be both, even to be great at both, to be
 great literature and great propaganda.  Shakespeare's _Richard III_, for
 example.
 
 Michael




Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Michael Pollak

On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carrol Cox wrote:

 Perphaps Goebels succeeded utterly in hijacking the word propaganda,
 but in the 70 years or so since that hijacking, no one has really come
 up with a word to serve the original quite neutral or even positive
 meaning of the term -- namely, truthful writing intended to deepen the
 understanding of those who have already grasped the truth of that which
 is being explained but require a deeper understanding if they are to act
 successfully on the basis of that truth.

Perhaps so, but that's not what's going on in the case of Richard III.
It's propaganda in sense of being a lie.  Richard III was actually a very
nice guy.  The view of him in Shakespeare's play is pure Tudor propaganda
to make their usurpation look legitimate, because after a monster like
that, anything would look like deliverance.

Of course it contains deeper truths about human nature that are
beautifully put and that's what makes it great art.  But there's no doubt
that there's a big political lie at the center of it.

Michael




Re: Economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Hari Kumar
I am impressed by both the scope of offerings - and the volume of
replies to this question!
I am surprised however, by the lack of The Jungle by old Upton
Sinclair;
 the lack of Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressel
(altho' I guess it could be classed as old - tho' if Shakespeare's
old Richard remains eternally youthful - I agree - then so does
Tressel).
I second Haldnor Laxnesss  I.Silone  Smebene Ousmene - but I do miss
other 3rd world writers. (I don't know what world Iceland or Italy is -
OK)...
Try: Mulk Raj Anand Coolie  Untouchable
Abdul Bismillah The Song of the Loom;
Chaman Nahal Azadi
Premchand Ghodan - The gift of a cow.
Sarat Manesh For an appreciation of Sarat see:
http://www22.brinkster.com/harikumar/SocialistArt/SARAT_BLAND.htm
I also enjoy Yashar Kemal - virtually anything.
Oh - And as an explicit and especial antidote to Jim Devine for his sci
fi - I offer Nikolai Ostrovsky How the Steel Was Tempered.
Hari K




Re: Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Carrol Cox


Michael Pollak wrote:
 
 On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Carrol Cox wrote:
 
 
 Perhaps so, but that's not what's going on in the case of Richard III.
 It's propaganda in sense of being a lie.

I agree it was a lie -- but sticking to the old vocabulary, it was
(lying) agitation rather than (lying) propaganda. It was oral (not in
print at the time of its intended propaganda effects) and rather than
appealing to and explicating principles it depended on various stock
responses in the audience.

  Richard III was actually a very
 nice guy.  The view of him in Shakespeare's play is pure Tudor propaganda
 to make their usurpation look legitimate, because after a monster like
 that, anything would look like deliverance.

To be fair to Shakespeare, had not the sainted Thomas More started this
strain of agitation? And the two Henrys had pretty much wiped out anyone
with even an indirect link to the more legitimate kings prior to Henry
VII. Hence by Shakespeare's time there wasn't all that much need for
Anti-Yorkist propaganda, there not being any Yorks left.

It's been an awfully long time since I read the history plays, but I
sort of remember a good deal of the excitement for someone today -- i.e.
someone who knows what Shakespeare was going to write later -- was to
see his grip on his material suddenly begin to firm up after the total
chaos/dullness of Henry VI Part I (with the second and third parts being
little better). Suddenly with RIII we have the Shakespeare we recognize
now.

 
 Of course it contains deeper truths about human nature that are
 beautifully put and that's what makes it great art.

Being rather skeptical of the (non-trivial) existence of anything that
can be called human nature I'm not sure I can buy this. It's wonderful
art because that fellow sure could spin words-- and particulrly he could
pen some awfully good polemics for women on the losing side (though with
a subtext that was pretty anti-woman).

Carrol

  But there's no doubt
 that there's a big political lie at the center of it.
 
 Michael




Re: economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread joanna bujes
Oh, of course, I left out the old testament of capitalism

Robinson Crusoe

and the new testament

Lost Illusions (Balzac)

cause you said you wanted more modern stuff.

Joanna




Re: Economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Charles Jannuzi
I am surprised however, by the lack of The 
Jungle by old Upton
Sinclair

There are other worthwile works (I mean authored
by others) of the muckraking period to consider.
I'd start listing some, but, to be honest, I'm
not paid to maintain my interest in 19th and
early 20th century American literature and my
immediate knowledge has fallen to the wayside.

I've often thought of using some of Sinclair's
stuff to get university students interested in
20th century history. Upton Sinclair was one of
my favorite writers actually, back when I had
time to read fiction.

And I'm glad someone else thought of Robinson
Crusoe, too!

More suggestions:

Sister Carrie by Theodore Dreiser

O. Henry's short stories 

C. Jannuzi

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Re: Economy in novels

2002-11-14 Thread Charles Jannuzi
The whole book is at gosh.com

Sister Carrie, by Theodore Dreiser 

  



The Lure Of The Material--Beauty Speaks For
Itself 

  

The true meaning of money yet remains to be
popularly explained and comprehended.  When each
individual realises for himself that this thing
primarily stands for and should only be accepted
as a moral due--that it should be paid out as
honestly stored energy, and not as a usurped
privilege--many of our social, religious, and
political troubles will have permanently passed.
As for Carrie, her understanding of the moral
significance of money was the popular
understanding, nothing more.  The old definition:
Money: something everybody else has and I must
get, would have expressed her understanding of
it thoroughly.  Some of it she now held in her
hand--two soft, green ten-dollar bills--and she
felt that she was immensely better off for the
having of them.  It was something that was power
in itself.  One of her order of mind would have
been content to be cast away upon a desert island
with a bundle of money, and only the long strain
of starvation would have taught her that in some
cases it could have no value.  Even then she
would have had no conception of the relative
value of the thing; her one thought would,
undoubtedly, have concerned the pity of having so
much power and the inability to use it.

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economy in novels

2002-11-13 Thread Forstater, Mathew
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat




Re: economy in novels

2002-11-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat


Herman Melville, The Paradise of Bachelors and the Tartarus of 
Maids (1855) [a short story]
Joseph Conrad, _Nostromo_ (1904)
Dashiell Hammett, _Red Harvest_ (1929)
Josephine Herbst, _Pity Is Not Enough_ (1933)
Tillie Olsen, _Tell Me a Riddle_ (1956) [a collection of short stories]
Sembene Ousmane, _God's Bits of Wood_ (1960/1962)
George Lamming, _In the Castle of My Skin_ (1970)
William Gaddis, _JR_ (1975)

Cf.

*   The Rise of Capitalism

by Donald Barthelme

The first thing I did was make a mistake. I thought I had understood 
capitalism, but what I had done was assume an attitude -- melancholy 
sadness -- toward it. This attitude is not correct. Fortunately your 
letter came, at that instant. Dear Rupert, I love you every day. You 
are the world, which is life. I love you I adore you I am crazy about 
you. Love, Marta. Reading between the lines, I understood your 
critique of my attitude toward capitalism. Always mindful that the 
critic must studiare da un punto di vista formalistico e semiologico 
il rapporto fra lingua di un testo e codificazione di un -- But here 
a big thumb smudges the text -- the thumb of capitalism, which we are 
all under. Darkness falls. My neighbor continues to commit suicide, 
once a fortnight. I have this suicides geared into my schedule 
because my role is to save him; once I was late and he spent two days 
unconscious on the floor. But now that I have understood that I have 
not understood capitalism, perhaps a less equivocal position toward 
it can be hammered out. My daughter demands more Mr. Bubble for her 
bath. The shrimp boats lower their nets. A book called Humorists of 
the 18th Century is published.

Capitalism places every man in competition with his fellows for a 
share of the available wealth. A few people accumulate big piles, but 
most do not. The sense of community falls victim to this struggle. 
Increased abundance and prosperity are tied to growing 
productivity. A hierarchy of functionaries interposes itself 
between the people and the leadership. The good of the private 
corporation is seen as prior to the public good. The world market 
system tightens control in the capitalist countries and terrorizes 
the Third World. All things are manipulated to these ends. The King 
of Jordan sits at his ham radio, inviting strangers to the palace. I 
visit my assistant mistress. Well, Azalea, I say, sitting in the 
best chair, what has happened to you since my last visit? Azalea 
tells me what happened to her. She has covered a sofa, and written a 
novel. Jack has behaved badly. Roger has lost his job (replaced by an 
electric eye). Gigi's children are in the hospital being detoxified, 
all three. Azalea herself is dying if love. I stroke her buttocks, 
which are perfection, if you can have perfection, under the 
capitalistic system. It is better to marry that to burn, St. Paul 
says, but St. Paul is largely discredited now, for the toughness of 
his views does not accord with the experience of advanced industrial 
societies. I smoke a cigar, to disoblige the cat.

Meanwhile Marta is getting angry. Rupert, she says, you are no 
better than a damn dawg! A plain dawg has more sensibility than you, 
when it comes to a woman's heart! I try to explain that it is not my 
fault but capitalism's. She will have none of it. I stand behind the 
capitalistic system, Martha says. It has given us everything we 
have -- the streets, the parks, the great avenues and boulevards, the 
promenades and malls -- and other things, too, that I can't think of 
right now. But what has the market been doing? I scan the list of 
the fifteen Most Loved Stocks:

Occident Pet 983,100 28 5/8 + 3 *
Natomas 912,300 58 3/8 + 18 *

What chagrin! Why wasn't I into Natomas, as into a fine garment, that 
will win you social credit when you wear it to the ball? I am not 
rich again this morning! I put my head between Marta's breasts, to 
hide my shame.

Honoré de Balzac went to the movies. He was watching his favorite 
flick, The Rise of Capitalism, with Simone Simon and Raymond 
Radiguet. When he had finished viewing the film, he went out and 
bought a printing plant, for fifty thousand francs. Henceforth, he 
said, I will publish myself, in handsome expensive deluxe editions, 
cheap editions, and foreign editions, duodecimo, sexdecimo, 
octodecimo. I will also publish atlases, stamp albums, collected 
sermons, volumes of sex education, remarks, memoirs, diaries, 
railroad timetables, daily newspapers, telephone books, racing forms, 
manifestos, libretti, abecedaries, works on acupuncture, and 
cookbooks. And then Honoré went out and got drunk, and visited his 
girlfriend's house, and, roaring and stomping on the stairs, 
frightened her husband to death. And the husband was buried, and 
everyone 

Re: economy in novels

2002-11-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
A student wants to read some novels to compare the views on capitalism
they portray. Any suggestions? (something more contemporary than, say,
Dickens' Hard Times). Post-WWII or thereabouts. Thanks, Mat


Here's Lu Xun's view of feudalism, capitalism, and imperialism

A Madman's Diary

[From _Selected Stories of Lu Hsun_, translated by Yang Hsien-yi and 
Gladys Yang, Published by Foreign Languages Press, Peking, 1960, 
1972.  Printed in the People's Republic of China.]

Two brothers, whose names I need not mention here, were both good 
friends of mine in high school; but after a separation of many years 
we gradually lost touch.  Some time ago I happened to hear that one 
of them was seriously ill, and since I was going back to my old home 
I broke my journey to call on them, I saw only one, however, who told 
me that the invalid was his younger brother.

I appreciate your coming such a long way to see us, he said, but 
my brother recovered some time ago and has gone elsewhere to take up 
an official post.  Then, laughing, he produced two volumes of his 
brother's diary, saying that from these the nature of his past 
illness could be seen, and that there was no harm in showing them to 
an old friend.  I took the diary away, read it through, and found 
that he had suffered from a form of persecution complex.  The writing 
was most confused and incoherent, and he had made many wild 
statements; moreover he had omitted to give any dates, so that only 
by the colour of the ink and the differences in the writing could one 
tell that it was not written at one time.  Certain sections, however, 
were not altogether disconnected, and I have copied out a part to 
serve as a subject for medical research.  I have not altered a single 
illogicality in the diary and have changed only the names, even 
though the people referred to are all country folk, unknown to the 
world and of no consequence.  As for the title, it was chosen by the 
diarist himself after his recovery, and I did not change it.

I

Tonight the moon is very bright.

I have not seen it for over thirty years, so today when I saw it I 
felt in unusually high spirits.  I begin to realize that during the 
past thirty-odd years I have been in the dark; but now I must be 
extremely careful.  Otherwise why should that dog at the Chao house 
have looked at me twice?

I have reason for my fear.

II

Tonight there is no moon at all, I know that this bodes ill.  This 
morning when I went out cautiously, Mr. Chao had a strange look in 
his eyes, as if he were afraid of me, as if he wanted to murder me. 
There were seven or eight others, who discussed me in a whisper.  And 
they were afraid of my seeing them.  All the people I passed were 
like that.  The fiercest among them grinned at me; whereupon I 
shivered from head to foot, knowing that their preparations were 
complete.

I was not afraid, however, but continued on my way.  A group of 
children in front were also discussing me, and the look in their eyes 
was just like that in Mr. Chao's while their faces too were ghastly 
pale.  I wondered what grudge these children could have against me to 
make them behave like this.  I could not help calling out: Tell me! 
But then they ran away.

I wonder what grudge Mr. Chao can have against me, what grudge the 
people on the road can have against me.  I can think of nothing 
except that twenty years ago I trod on Mr. Ku Chiu's account sheets 
for many years past, and Mr. Ku was very displeased.  Although Mr. 
Chao does not know him, he must have heard talk of this and decided 
to avenge him, so he is conspiring against me with the people on the 
road.  But then what of the children?  At that time they were not yet 
born, so why should they eye me so strangely today, as if they were 
afraid of me, as if they wanted to murder me?  This really frightens 
me, it is so bewildering and upsetting.

I know. They must have learned this from their parents!

III

I can't sleep at night.  Everything requires careful consideration if 
one is to understand it.

Those people, some of whom have been pilloried by the magistrate, 
slapped in the face by the local gentry, had their wives taken away 
by bailiffs, or their parents driven to suicide by creditors, never 
looked as frightened and as fierce then as they did yesterday.

The most extraordinary thing was that woman on the street yesterday 
who spanked her son and said, Little devil!  I'd like to bite 
several mouthfuls out of you to work off my feelings! Yet all the 
time she looked at me.  I gave a start, unable to control myself; 
then all those green-faced, long-toothed people began to laugh 
derisively.  Old Chen hurried forward and dragged me home.

He dragged me home.  The folk at home all pretended not to know me; 
they had the same look in their eyes as all the others.  When I went 
into the study, they locked the door outside as if cooping up a 
chicken or a duck.  This incident left me even more bewildered.

A few 

Re: economy in novels

2002-11-13 Thread Charles Jannuzi
I can get you to between the wars: Dos Passos
(better than Fitzgerald or Sinclair Lewis, if you
ask me). 

The stuff Frank Norris did in the late 19th
century is very interesting as well. 
CJ


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Re: economy in novels

2002-11-13 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
At 8:59 PM -0800 11/13/02, Charles Jannuzi wrote:

The stuff Frank Norris did in the late 19th century is very 
interesting as well.

*   At Marcus's shout McTeague looked up and around him. For the 
instant he saw no one.  The white glare of alkali was still unbroken. 
Then his swiftly rolling eyes lighted upon a head and shoulder that 
protruded above the low crest of the break directly in front of him. 
A man was there, lying at full length upon the ground, covering him 
with a revolver.  For a few seconds McTeague looked at the man 
stupidly, bewildered, confused, as yet without definite thought. 
Then he noticed that the man was singularly like Marcus Schouler.  It 
WAS Marcus Schouler.  How in the world did Marcus Schouler come to be 
in that desert?  What did he mean by pointing a pistol at him that 
way?  He'd best look out or the pistol would go off.  Then his 
thoughts readjusted themselves with a swiftness born of a vivid sense 
of danger.  Here was the enemy at last, the tracker he had felt upon 
his footsteps.  Now at length he had come on and shown himself, 
after all those days of skulking.  McTeague was glad of it.  He'd 
show him now.  They two would have it out right then and there.  His 
rifle!  He had thrown it away long since.  He was helpless. Marcus 
had ordered him to put up his hands.  If he did not, Marcus would 
kill him.  He had the drop on him.  McTeague stared, scowling 
fiercely at the levelled pistol.  He did not move.

Hands up! shouted Marcus a second time.  I'll give you three to do 
it in. One, two

Instinctively McTeague put his hands above his head.

Marcus rose and came towards him over the break.

Keep 'em up, he cried.  If you move 'em once I'll kill you, sure.

He came up to McTeague and searched him, going through his pockets; 
but McTeague had no revolver; not even a hunting knife.

What did you do with that money, with that five thousand dollars?

It's on the mule, answered McTeague, sullenly.

Marcus grunted, and cast a glance at the mule, who was standing some 
distance away, snorting nervously, and from time to time flattening 
his long ears.

Is that it there on the horn of the saddle, there in that canvas 
sack? Marcus demanded.

Yes, that's it.

A gleam of satisfaction came into Marcus's eyes, and under his breath 
he muttered:

Got it at last.

He was singularly puzzled to know what next to do.  He had got 
McTeague.  There he stood at length, with his big hands over his 
head, scowling at him sullenly.  Marcus had caught his enemy, had run 
down the man for whom every officer in the State had been looking. 
What should he do with him now?  He couldn't keep him standing there 
forever with his hands over his head.

Got any water? he demanded.

There's a canteen of water on the mule.

Marcus moved toward the mule and made as if to reach the bridle-rein. 
The mule squealed, threw up his head, and galloped to a little 
distance, rolling his eyes and flattening his ears.

Marcus swore wrathfully.

He acted that way once before, explained McTeague, his hands still 
in the air.  He ate some loco-weed back in the hills before I 
started.

For a moment Marcus hesitated.  While he was catching the mule 
McTeague might get away.  But where to, in heaven's name?  A rat 
could not hide on the surface of that glistening alkali, and besides, 
all McTeague's store of provisions and his priceless supply of water 
were on the mule. Marcus ran after the mule, revolver in hand, 
shouting and cursing.  But the mule would not be caught.  He acted as 
if possessed, squealing, lashing out, and galloping in wide circles, 
his head high in the air.

Come on, shouted Marcus, furious, turning back to McTeague.  Come 
on, help me catch him.  We got to catch him.  All the water we got is 
on the saddle.

McTeague came up.

He's eatun some loco-weed, he repeated.  He went kinda crazy once before.

If he should take it into his head to bolt and keep on running

Marcus did not finish.  A sudden great fear seemed to widen around 
and inclose the two men.  Once their water gone, the end would not be 
long.

We can catch him all right, said the dentist.  I caught him once before.

Oh, I guess we can catch him, answered Marcus, reassuringly.

Already the sense of enmity between the two had weakened in the face 
of a common peril.  Marcus let down the hammer of his revolver and 
slid it back into the holster.

The mule was trotting on ahead, snorting and throwing up great clouds 
of alkali dust.  At every step the canvas sack jingled, and 
McTeague's bird cage, still wrapped in the flour-bags, bumped against 
the saddlepads.  By and by the mule stopped, blowing out his nostrils 
excitedly.

He's clean crazy, fumed Marcus, panting and swearing.

We ought to come up on him quiet, observed McTeague.

I'll try and sneak up, said Marcus; two of us would scare him 
again.  You stay here.

Marcus went forward a step at a time.  He was almost within arm's 
length of the bridle when the