Re: non-Russian Great Russian Chauvinism.

2004-07-30 Thread Chris Doss
--- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(Andropov was Russian wasn't he? And isn't the Ukraine
part of great
Russia?)

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Yes, Andropov was Russian. It is rumored that he was
Jewish. (His great grand-niece is a friend of mine, by
the way.) But he was in power, what, a year? Chernenko
is a Ukrainian name.

Never call Ukraine the Ukraine to a Ukrainian
nationalist. You will get a black eye.

Ukraine means the borderlands.




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non-Russian Great Russian Chauvinism.

2004-07-29 Thread Devine, James
[was: : [PEN-L] Israel pushing for Kurdish state?]

Chris Doss:
If a Georgian with a goofy accent can be a Great
Russian chauvinist. Let's see, Stalin - Georgian,
Khrushchev = Ukrainian, Brezhnev = probably an ethnic
Ukrainian from Moldova, Gorbachev = from Ukraine
too... hey, were any of the Great Russian chauvinist
leaders actually Russian? Nope.

it's very common for newcomers to an in-group to be 
more adamant than the long-time insiders in their defense 
of the realm. (Look at Clarence Thomas, for example, 
unless you've eaten recently or plan to do so in the near 
future.) Of course, an outsider is more likely to be let into
the club and allowed to stay there if he or she is more
chauvinist than thou.

(Andropov was Russian wasn't he? And isn't the Ukraine part of great Russia?) 

Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine