Re: profits and corporate speculation

2001-04-04 Thread Tom Walker

And by the way, it was Gretchen Morgenson who did the piece in Forbes a few
years back on employee stock options. Louis Proyect just posted a piece by
her on consumer debt. I guess she's another one of those gloom and doom
loving lefties.




profits and corporate speculation

2001-04-03 Thread Michael Perelman

I remember reading somewhere -- maybe
someone could remind me of the reference
-- how companies like Microsoft and Dell
were speculating on options in their own
stocks and that these speculations
created a significant fraction of their
profits.  It sounded more an extreme
than the zaitech phenomenon in Japan
during their boom where a good deal of
profits were the result of speculative
gains in holdings of other companies.

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Re: profits and corporate speculation

2001-04-03 Thread Timework Web


Several years ago there was a spate of reporting about how employee stock
option plans were essentially watering the stocks. There was an article in
Forbes and one in the Wall Street Journal that I recall. Part of this had
to do with the failure (much protected by the big five) of accounting
standards to require a clear reserve fund to offset the anticipated cost
of redeeming the options. A securities research organization in Britain
ran some estimates of what the profits would like like for a number of
corps if they were required to set aside a reserve -- microsoft was one
example whose profits essentially disappeared with the more transparent
accounting.


Michael Perelman wrote,

I remember reading somewhere -- maybe
someone could remind me of the reference
-- how companies like Microsoft and Dell
were speculating on options in their own
stocks and that these speculations
created a significant fraction of their
profits.


Tom Walker
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