Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
Richard Hainsworth wrote: Moreover, a survey should be testing perceptions, even if the perceptions contradict what some feel are facts. It sometimes pays to be agnostic about what can be counted as a fact to learn how other people think. Eg., in the real world there are those who perceive as fact the timeline of the history of life as set out in the Old Testament of the Bible, and there are those that look to other mechanisms for testing timeline theories, such as a the geological record. Dont want to start a religious war, just wanting to indicate that a survey can be useful if worded in a value-free manner. There are also those who perceive as fact that the biblical and geological timelines are not mutually exclusive and are both plausible. -- Darren Duncan
Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Richard Hainsworth rich...@rusrating.ru wrote: On 01/01/11 03:41, Daniel Carrera wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Chas. Owenschas.ow...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 21:39, Xue, Brianbrian@amd.com wrote: I want to adding one more answer about what are people waiting for before they start using Perl 6. There hasn't an official release of PERL6.0, just Rakudo. I'm afraid of Rakudo is cancelled, I don't want to make my product based on an uncertainty matter. snip This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what Perl 6 is. As far as I know there will never be a release of Perl 6.0 (it definitely won't be PERL6.0). Perl 6 is a specification and a set of tests. Any program that can pass the test suite and conforms to the specification IS a Perl 6. Right now the program that passes the most tests and conforms most closely to the specification is Rakudo. But Xue still has a valid point that even the Perl 6 spec doesn't exist yet. Moreover, a survey should be testing perceptions, even if the perceptions contradict what some feel are facts. It sometimes pays to be agnostic about what can be counted as a fact to learn how other people think. [...] just wanting to indicate that a survey can be useful if worded in a value-free manner. It would be nice to figure out what is the percentage of people who don't yet look at Perl 6 because there was not official Perl 6.0 release or in more general what are the blocking issues for them. I just would like to make sure that by asking the question we don't strengthen the belief that there ever will be an official Perl 6.0 release. Of course that might be part of *my* misunderstanding that I think there won't be such thing. I don't have trouble if the questions and the possible answers already provide some form of education pointing people to the possible real answers. So for example: I'll start learning Perl 6 (select one or more that fits your opinion) *) when Larry Wall declares that Perl 6.0 is ready *) after Rakudo 1.0 is released *) when the default running perl -v in my Linux distribution will say it is version 6.0 or later *) After the Learning Perl 6th edition will be published *) After DBI and DBD::Mysql is ported *) never *) I have already started to learn Other: What do you think? regards Gabor
Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: It would be nice to figure out what is the percentage of people who don't yet look at Perl 6 because there was not official Perl 6.0 release or in more general what are the blocking issues for them. I just would like to make sure that by asking the question we don't strengthen the belief that there ever will be an official Perl 6.0 release. ... So for example: I'll start learning Perl 6 (select one or more that fits your opinion) *) when Larry Wall declares that Perl 6.0 is ready *) after Rakudo 1.0 is released *) when the default running perl -v in my Linux distribution will say it is version 6.0 or later *) After the Learning Perl 6th edition will be published *) After DBI and DBD::Mysql is ported *) never *) I have already started to learn Other: What do you think? I think that's pretty good. Though personally, I can imagine the first two not being mutually exclusive. That is, if Rakudo 1.0 is released but Larry Wall hasn't said that Perl 6.0 is ready, I'd scratch my head and wonder. In turn, if Perl 6.0 is ready and Rakudo hasn't released a 1.0 I might figure that they still need more time. Daniel. -- No trees were destroyed in the generation of this email, but a large number of electrons were severely inconvenienced.
Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
On 01/01/2011 10:15 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote: It would be nice to figure out what is the percentage of people who don't yet look at Perl 6 because there was not official Perl 6.0 release or in more general what are the blocking issues for them. I just would like to make sure that by asking the question we don't strengthen the belief that there ever will be an official Perl 6.0 release. Of course that might be part of *my* misunderstanding that I think there won't be such thing. I don't have trouble if the questions and the possible answers already provide some form of education pointing people to the possible real answers. So for example: I'll start learning Perl 6 (select one or more that fits your opinion) *) when Larry Wall declares that Perl 6.0 is ready *) after Rakudo 1.0 is released Given the current version number scheme (year.month), it's highly unlikely that we'll ever see a Rakudo 1.0. So I'd change that to after a production release of a Perl 6 compiler *) when the default running perl -v in my Linux distribution will say it is version 6.0 or later *) After the Learning Perl 6th edition will be published *) After DBI and DBD::Mysql is ported *) never *) I have already started to learn Other: What do you think? Maybe add *) when it's about as fast as perl5 I think it's an interesting question. Cheers, Moritz
Re: Questions for Survey about Perl
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org wrote: Given the current version number scheme (year.month), it's highly unlikely that we'll ever see a Rakudo 1.0. So I'd change that to after a production release of a Perl 6 compiler People might be expecting that when Rakudo is ready it would have a 1.0 release. I sure did. Using year + month is nice in a way, but it means that you don't immediately know if the release is production vs devel, or whether it's a major vs minor release. Daniel. -- No trees were destroyed in the generation of this email, but a large number of electrons were severely inconvenienced.
