Re: Rust community in distress

[Daniel Sockwell via perl6-users]

Depending on how many would leave the original product, the pace of 
development of both could be slowed down by a factor of 2 or even more.


That's technically correct (which, after all, is the best kind of 
correct, https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/909991-futurama ).


But while the pace of development *could* be slowed down by a lot, it 
could also be almost entirely unchanged – and, ime, the modal fork gets 
little traction and basically doesn't impact the original project 
(obviously with large exceptions at the tail).  And that's what I expect 
with Rust/Crabby (was that the name of the fork? I just watched the video 
and have already forgotten…)


I have more thoughts re: Rust's issues, but I'll save those for sometime 
when I'm not about to board an airplane.


Jun 9, 2023 4:06:22 PM Vadim Belman :


There is a fork, already. At least, this is what he says in the video.

There is a catch though, and it is mentioned in the video too. A few 
catches, actually. 


First, such conflict-based forks cause harm to project reputation. 

Second, it confuses potential supporters and this could reduce project 
funding. 


Third, developers would get separated between projects. Depending on 
how many would leave the original product, the pace of development of 
both could be slowed down by a factor of 2 or even more.


Best regards,
Vadim Belman

On Jun 9, 2023, at 2:40 AM, İsmail Arılık  
wrote:


This is the open source world! So if there is a problem between the 
management of Rust and the community, a fork would come and be popular 
soon. Leaving Rust shouldn't be an option I think since it is really a 
good language. 


On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, 07:04 Darren Duncan  
wrote:
And here Rust seemed to be massively gaining in popularity, and was 
just
supported officially for Linux kernel driver support etc. -- Darren 
Duncan


On 2023-06-08 11:17 a.m., Parrot Raiser wrote:

See https://youtu.be/QEnuzwCWpgQ 

This is not meant to be an example of schadenfreude.  Rust is an 
interesting
language, whose ecological niche has little in common with Perl's or 
Raku's. Its
principal rival is Go, which is definitely more corporate.   
Alphabet already
controls far too much.  (Yes, that sentiment may not be compatible 
with a gmail

account.)
It is unfortunate when any worthwhile Open Source project suffers 
from community
or personality conflicts. It's worth noting them, to help us avoid 
similar

situations.

Re: Rust community in distress

[Vadim Belman]

There is a fork, already. At least, this is what he says in the video.

There is a catch though, and it is mentioned in the video too. A few catches, 
actually. 

First, such conflict-based forks cause harm to project reputation. 

Second, it confuses potential supporters and this could reduce project funding. 

Third, developers would get separated between projects. Depending on how many 
would leave the original product, the pace of development of both could be 
slowed down by a factor of 2 or even more.

Best regards,
Vadim Belman

> On Jun 9, 2023, at 2:40 AM, İsmail Arılık  wrote:
> 
> This is the open source world! So if there is a problem between the 
> management of Rust and the community, a fork would come and be popular soon. 
> Leaving Rust shouldn't be an option I think since it is really a good 
> language. 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, 07:04 Darren Duncan  > wrote:
>> And here Rust seemed to be massively gaining in popularity, and was just 
>> supported officially for Linux kernel driver support etc. -- Darren Duncan
>> 
>> On 2023-06-08 11:17 a.m., Parrot Raiser wrote:
>> > See https://youtu.be/QEnuzwCWpgQ 
>> > 
>> > This is not meant to be an example of schadenfreude.  Rust is an 
>> > interesting 
>> > language, whose ecological niche has little in common with Perl's or 
>> > Raku's. Its 
>> > principal rival is Go, which is definitely more corporate.   Alphabet 
>> > already 
>> > controls far too much.  (Yes, that sentiment may not be compatible with a 
>> > gmail 
>> > account.)
>> > It is unfortunate when any worthwhile Open Source project suffers from 
>> > community 
>> > or personality conflicts. It's worth noting them, to help us avoid similar 
>> > situations.
>> 

Re: Rust community in distress

[Darren Duncan]

The video is less than 10 minutes long, its not that much effort to watch.

The TL;DW is some bad stuff happened but some things are improving after.

-- Darren Duncan

On 2023-06-09 12:26 a.m., Veesh Goldman wrote:
Could I get a TL;DW on that video? I love Rust, and would hate to see anything 
bad happen to it


On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 9:40 AM İsmail Arılık wrote:

This is the open source world! So if there is a problem between the
management of Rust and the community, a fork would come and be popular soon.
Leaving Rust shouldn't be an option I think since it is really a good 
language.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, 07:04 Darren Duncan wrote:

And here Rust seemed to be massively gaining in popularity, and was just
supported officially for Linux kernel driver support etc. -- Darren 
Duncan

On 2023-06-08 11:17 a.m., Parrot Raiser wrote:
 > See https://youtu.be/QEnuzwCWpgQ
 >
 > This is not meant to be an example of schadenfreude.  Rust is an
interesting
 > language, whose ecological niche has little in common with Perl's or
Raku's. Its
 > principal rival is Go, which is definitely more corporate.   Alphabet
already
 > controls far too much.  (Yes, that sentiment may not be compatible
with a gmail
 > account.)
 > It is unfortunate when any worthwhile Open Source project suffers
from community
 > or personality conflicts. It's worth noting them, to help us avoid
similar
 > situations.

Re: Rust community in distress

[Veesh Goldman]

Could I get a TL;DW on that video? I love Rust, and would hate to see
anything bad happen to it

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 9:40 AM İsmail Arılık 
wrote:

> This is the open source world! So if there is a problem between the
> management of Rust and the community, a fork would come and be popular
> soon. Leaving Rust shouldn't be an option I think since it is really a good
> language.
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, 07:04 Darren Duncan  wrote:
>
>> And here Rust seemed to be massively gaining in popularity, and was just
>> supported officially for Linux kernel driver support etc. -- Darren Duncan
>>
>> On 2023-06-08 11:17 a.m., Parrot Raiser wrote:
>> > See https://youtu.be/QEnuzwCWpgQ 
>> >
>> > This is not meant to be an example of schadenfreude.  Rust is an
>> interesting
>> > language, whose ecological niche has little in common with Perl's or
>> Raku's. Its
>> > principal rival is Go, which is definitely more corporate.   Alphabet
>> already
>> > controls far too much.  (Yes, that sentiment may not be compatible with
>> a gmail
>> > account.)
>> > It is unfortunate when any worthwhile Open Source project suffers from
>> community
>> > or personality conflicts. It's worth noting them, to help us avoid
>> similar
>> > situations.
>>
>>

Re: Rust community in distress

[İsmail Arılık]

This is the open source world! So if there is a problem between the
management of Rust and the community, a fork would come and be popular
soon. Leaving Rust shouldn't be an option I think since it is really a good
language.

On Fri, Jun 9, 2023, 07:04 Darren Duncan  wrote:

> And here Rust seemed to be massively gaining in popularity, and was just
> supported officially for Linux kernel driver support etc. -- Darren Duncan
>
> On 2023-06-08 11:17 a.m., Parrot Raiser wrote:
> > See https://youtu.be/QEnuzwCWpgQ 
> >
> > This is not meant to be an example of schadenfreude.  Rust is an
> interesting
> > language, whose ecological niche has little in common with Perl's or
> Raku's. Its
> > principal rival is Go, which is definitely more corporate.   Alphabet
> already
> > controls far too much.  (Yes, that sentiment may not be compatible with
> a gmail
> > account.)
> > It is unfortunate when any worthwhile Open Source project suffers from
> community
> > or personality conflicts. It's worth noting them, to help us avoid
> similar
> > situations.
>
>

Re: Rust community in distress

[Darren Duncan]

And here Rust seemed to be massively gaining in popularity, and was just 
supported officially for Linux kernel driver support etc. -- Darren Duncan


On 2023-06-08 11:17 a.m., Parrot Raiser wrote:

See https://youtu.be/QEnuzwCWpgQ 

This is not meant to be an example of schadenfreude.  Rust is an interesting 
language, whose ecological niche has little in common with Perl's or Raku's. Its 
principal rival is Go, which is definitely more corporate.   Alphabet already 
controls far too much.  (Yes, that sentiment may not be compatible with a gmail 
account.)
It is unfortunate when any worthwhile Open Source project suffers from community 
or personality conflicts. It's worth noting them, to help us avoid similar 
situations.

Rust community in distress

[Parrot Raiser]

See https://youtu.be/QEnuzwCWpgQ

This is not meant to be an example of schadenfreude.  Rust is an
interesting language, whose ecological niche has little in common with
Perl's or Raku's. Its principal rival is Go, which is definitely more
corporate.   Alphabet already controls far too much.  (Yes, that sentiment
may not be compatible with a gmail account.)
It is unfortunate when any worthwhile Open Source project suffers from
community or personality conflicts. It's worth noting them, to help us
avoid similar situations.