Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite infestation in the tropics

[Hazra Medica]

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Thanks, Alex!


I did come across a document suggesting the use of a desiccant but that was 
after I had already wrapped the items to protect them from termites and 
hurricanes.  I shall "cheerfully" unwrap everything I've sealed like death and 
do as you have suggested.  Thank you for being so quick and thoughtful with 
your responses.


Warm regards.


Hazra C. Medica
Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters
Ministry of Trade, Industry, Commerce & Consumer Affairs
Ministry of Sports, Culture & National Festivals
St. John's,  Antigua W.I.






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Sent: Tuesday, 07 November 2017 23:35:21
To: pestlist@museumpests.net
Subject: Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite infestation in the 
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Hi Hazra
It's a bit hard to say with mould. Some mould attacks can spread very quickly, 
but it depends on the conditions (i.e. heat and rh), the material being stored, 
the mould type and how much mould is present.
Given the urgency of your problem freezing is a good way to go, but maybe you 
could use barrier bags (the ones we use for low oxygen work) instead of PE for 
freezing? The benefits are the conditions inside the bag won't fluctuate like 
they can in PE bags and the barrier properties prevent most pests from finding 
the bagged items (e.g. silverfish). Barrier bags come in a range of pre-fab 
sizes - check with Jerry Shiner at Keepsafe for sizes, etc.
If the storage area is high in humidity then you might want to consider placing 
a desiccant or buffer in the bags before you seal them?
Best wishes
Alex


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Hi Alex,


Thank you so much for taking the time out to respond to my questions.  I've 
indeed been thinking freezing might be my best option.  I do have another 
question given your mention of the risk of  mould. How long is it safe to have 
these items bagged/wrapped tightly in plastic before we subject them to 
freezing?  I am trying my best to move rather quickly with this project but 
sometimes things go slow.


Best regards.


Hazra Medica

Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters
Ministry of Trade, Industry, Commerce & Consumer Affairs
Ministry of Sports, Culture & National Festivals
St. John's, Antigua W.I.





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To: pestlist@museumpests.net

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Hi Hazra
Bagging infested/suspect materials and freezing will be a great approach for 
treatment of the items.
Storing the (treated) materials up off the floor post freezing (i.e. on blocks 
or tables) will enable you to keep an eye out for further termite attack.
If you're dealing with drywood termites then even small wooden items can 
contain colonies, but again freezing would be a suitable approach (assuming 
items won't be damaged by freezing).
You could go down the low oxygen path for treatment, but it's much more 
expensive. One large bag could be used to treat the entire collection, or you 
could make several smaller bags. The small bag approach provides you with a 
stable storage environment for the collection while you work through 
cataloging, etc. Another major advantage is that you won't be facing a mould 
problem when it comes time to open the bags (a real risk when leaving items 
bagged in pe in poor conditions).
As for treatment of the termite infestation (if you're looking at staying in 
the same building) it will depend upon the species of termite that is 

Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite infestation in the tropics

[Hazra Medica]

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Joel,


Thank you for this bit of information.  I'll unwrap and re-wrap with the 
necessary precautions to avoid causing any unnecessary harm.


Best regards.


Hazra C. Medica
Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters
Ministry of Trade, Industry, Commerce & Consumer Affairs
Ministry of Sports, Culture & National Festivals
St. John's,  Antigua W.I.




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Sent: Wednesday, 08 November 2017 06:31:25
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If the RH inside the bags is 30% to 50% mold should not be an issue. Usually 
60% and above is where you run into problems. JTV






Joel Voron   Colonial Williamsburg Foundation

  Conservation Dept.

 Integrated Pest Management

  Office 757-220-7080

Cell 757-634-1175

  E-Mail jvo...@cwf.org





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Hi Alex,


Thank you so much for taking the time out to respond to my questions.  I've 
indeed been thinking freezing might be my best option.  I do have another 
question given your mention of the risk of  mould. How long is it safe to have 
these items bagged/wrapped tightly in plastic before we subject them to 
freezing?  I am trying my best to move rather quickly with this project but 
sometimes things go slow.


Best regards.


Hazra Medica

Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters
Ministry of Trade, Industry, Commerce & Consumer Affairs
Ministry of Sports, Culture & National Festivals
St. John's, Antigua W.I.





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>
Sent: Monday, 06 November 2017 20:31:30
To: pestlist@museumpests.net
Subject: Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite infestation in the 
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Hi Hazra
Bagging infested/suspect materials and freezing will be a great approach for 
treatment of the items.
Storing the (treated) materials up off the floor post freezing (i.e. on blocks 
or tables) will enable you to keep an eye out for further termite attack.
If you're dealing with drywood termites then even small wooden items can 
contain colonies, but again freezing would be a suitable approach (assuming 
items won't be damaged by freezing).
You could go down the low oxygen path for treatment, but it's much more 
expensive. One large bag could be used to treat the entire collection, or you 
could make several smaller bags. The small bag approach provides you with a 
stable storage environment for the collection while you work through 
cataloging, etc. Another major advantage is that you won't be facing a mould 
problem when it comes time to open the bags (a real risk when leaving items 
bagged in pe in poor conditions).
As for treatment of the termite infestation (if you're looking at staying in 
the same building) it will depend upon the species of termite that is 
attacking, building type and other factors. Assuming that they're subterranean 
termites then baiting may be suitable as it will allow you to destroy the 
colony, but you may also be able to locate and destroy the nest directly.
Best wishes
Alex

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Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite infestation in the tropics

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   If you can make a small breech in the wrap without risking the pieces you 
could get the desiccant packets in without the hassle of unwrapping them and 
just tape up the slit.  JTV


Joel Voron   Colonial Williamsburg Foundation

  Conservation Dept.

 Integrated Pest Management

  Office 757-220-7080

Cell 757-634-1175

  E-Mail jvo...@cwf.org


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Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 8:02:39 AM
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Joel,


Thank you for this bit of information.  I'll unwrap and re-wrap with the 
necessary precautions to avoid causing any unnecessary harm.


Best regards.


Hazra C. Medica
Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters
Ministry of Trade, Industry, Commerce & Consumer Affairs
Ministry of Sports, Culture & National Festivals
St. John's,  Antigua W.I.




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Sent: Wednesday, 08 November 2017 06:31:25
To: pestlist@museumpests.net
Subject: Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite infestation in the 
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If the RH inside the bags is 30% to 50% mold should not be an issue. Usually 
60% and above is where you run into problems. JTV






Joel Voron   Colonial Williamsburg Foundation

  Conservation Dept.

 Integrated Pest Management

  Office 757-220-7080

Cell 757-634-1175

  E-Mail jvo...@cwf.org





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On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Hazra Medica 
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Hi Alex,


Thank you so much for taking the time out to respond to my questions.  I've 
indeed been thinking freezing might be my best option.  I do have another 
question given your mention of the risk of  mould. How long is it safe to have 
these items bagged/wrapped tightly in plastic before we subject them to 
freezing?  I am trying my best to move rather quickly with this project but 
sometimes things go slow.


Best regards.


Hazra Medica

Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters
Ministry of Trade, Industry, Commerce & Consumer Affairs
Ministry of Sports, Culture & National Festivals
St. John's, Antigua W.I.





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> on 
behalf of Alex Roach 
>
Sent: Monday, 06 November 2017 20:31:30
To: pestlist@museumpests.net
Subject: Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite infestation in the 
tropics

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Hi Hazra
Bagging infested/suspect materials and freezing will be a great approach for 
treatment of the items.
Storing the (treated) materials up off the floor post freezing (i.e. on blocks 
or tables) will enable you to keep an eye out for further termite attack.
If you're dealing with drywood termites then even small wooden items can 
contain colonies, but again freezing would be a suitable approach (assuming 
items won't be damaged by freezing).
You could go down the low oxygen path for treatment, but it's much more 
expensive. One large bag could be used to treat the entire collection, or you 
could make several smaller bags. The small bag approach provides you with a 
stable storage environment for the collection while you work through 
cataloging, etc. Another 

Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite infestation in the tropics

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Hi Todd

Regarding the thickness of the plastic wrap/bags, thicker garbage
bags/sheet plastic is used mainly as it is stronger when handling and there
is less moisture transmission through the film than with thinner films. As
a rough guide
- disposable shopping bags/bin liners are about 1ml (you should double bag
if using this type)
- ziplock-style sandwich bags are about 2ml (and some have a moisture
barrier layer)
- 'tough' garbage/garden refuse bags may be 4-6ml. Many of these types of
bags have reinforced layers that adds to their strength.

You're not creating an oxygen barrier so holes and tears aren't such an
issue. If you find scrapes or tears just repair them with tape.

One more thing. When you're freezing a lot of items you may find water
building-up under and between bags of frozen items. You can reduce this by
using fans to keep air moving over the objects post freezing.

 Best wishes
Alex

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> Hello Everyone,
>
> Good thread- very informative.
>
> Since the topic of freezing is going on here, I was wondering if I could
> pick your brains on a few things.  Hopefully this doesn't take us to far
> off topic.
>
> 1)  Does anyone here have strong opinions about the mil of plastic used in
> freezing treatments?  Is there a good "go to mil" that you like
> for freezing bags?  Is the only downside to a thinner mil its greater
> likelihood of tearing, or does it have a less desirable affect in other
> aspects of freezing too?
>
> 2)  How big of a problem is it, when loading a freezer, if a small scuff
> is made in the plastic?  If there is any hole/scuff in the plastic membrane
> (even a small fraction of an inch) does that compromise the object
> inside?  If the scuff is made only on the outer bag, and it is "double
> bagged", does that outer bag need to be taken off and "re-bagged"?
>
> If anyone has opinions on these issues I would appreciate your feedback.
>
> Thanks!
> Todd Holmberg
> Collection Maintenance Technician
> Minneapolis Institute of Art
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Hazra Medica 
> wrote:
>
>> This is a message from the Museumpests.net  List.
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>>
>> Excellent idea, Joel!  Will save so me much time and tears.
>>
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>>
>> *Hazra C. Medica*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters Ministry of Trade, Industry,
>> Commerce & Consumer Affairs Ministry of Sports, Culture & National
>> Festivals St. John's  Antigua W.I.*
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* pestlist-ow...@museumpests.net 
>> on behalf of Voron, Joel 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 08 November 2017 09:09:25
>>
>> *To:* pestlist@museumpests.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite
>> infestation in the tropics
>>
>> This is a message from the Museumpests.net  List.
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>>
>>If you can make a small breech in the wrap without risking the pieces
>> you could get the desiccant packets in without the hassle of unwrapping
>> them and just tape up the slit.  JTV
>>
>>
>> *Joel Voron   **Colonial Williamsburg Foundation*
>>
>>   Conservation Dept.
>>
>>  Integrated Pest Management
>>
>>   Office 757-220-7080 <(757)%20220-7080>
>>
>> Cell 757-634-1175 <(757)%20634-1175>
>>
>>   E-Mail jvo...@cwf.org
>>
>>
>> [image: 1474552137245_IMG_0499.JPG]
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* pestlist-ow...@museumpests.net 
>> on behalf of Hazra Medica 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 8, 2017 8:02:39 AM
>> *To:* pestlist@museumpests.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite
>> infestation in the tropics
>>
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>> Joel,
>>
>>
>> Thank you for this bit of information.  I'll unwrap and re-wrap with the
>> necessary precautions to avoid causing any 

Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite infestation in the tropics

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Excellent idea, Joel!  Will save so me much time and tears.


Many thanks.


Hazra C. Medica
Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters
Ministry of Trade, Industry, Commerce & Consumer Affairs
Ministry of Sports, Culture & National Festivals
St. John's  Antigua W.I.




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   If you can make a small breech in the wrap without risking the pieces you 
could get the desiccant packets in without the hassle of unwrapping them and 
just tape up the slit.  JTV


Joel Voron   Colonial Williamsburg Foundation

  Conservation Dept.

 Integrated Pest Management

  Office 757-220-7080

Cell 757-634-1175

  E-Mail jvo...@cwf.org


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Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 8:02:39 AM
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Joel,


Thank you for this bit of information.  I'll unwrap and re-wrap with the 
necessary precautions to avoid causing any unnecessary harm.


Best regards.


Hazra C. Medica
Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters
Ministry of Trade, Industry, Commerce & Consumer Affairs
Ministry of Sports, Culture & National Festivals
St. John's,  Antigua W.I.




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Sent: Wednesday, 08 November 2017 06:31:25
To: pestlist@museumpests.net
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If the RH inside the bags is 30% to 50% mold should not be an issue. Usually 
60% and above is where you run into problems. JTV






Joel Voron   Colonial Williamsburg Foundation

  Conservation Dept.

 Integrated Pest Management

  Office 757-220-7080

Cell 757-634-1175

  E-Mail jvo...@cwf.org





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Hi Alex,


Thank you so much for taking the time out to respond to my questions.  I've 
indeed been thinking freezing might be my best option.  I do have another 
question given your mention of the risk of  mould. How long is it safe to have 
these items bagged/wrapped tightly in plastic before we subject them to 
freezing?  I am trying my best to move rather quickly with this project but 
sometimes things go slow.


Best regards.


Hazra Medica

Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters
Ministry of Trade, Industry, Commerce & Consumer Affairs
Ministry of Sports, Culture & National Festivals
St. John's, Antigua W.I.





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> on 
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>
Sent: Monday, 06 November 2017 20:31:30
To: pestlist@museumpests.net
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Hello Everyone,

Good thread- very informative.

Since the topic of freezing is going on here, I was wondering if I could
pick your brains on a few things.  Hopefully this doesn't take us to far
off topic.

1)  Does anyone here have strong opinions about the mil of plastic used in
freezing treatments?  Is there a good "go to mil" that you like
for freezing bags?  Is the only downside to a thinner mil its greater
likelihood of tearing, or does it have a less desirable affect in other
aspects of freezing too?

2)  How big of a problem is it, when loading a freezer, if a small scuff is
made in the plastic?  If there is any hole/scuff in the plastic membrane
(even a small fraction of an inch) does that compromise the object
inside?  If the scuff is made only on the outer bag, and it is "double
bagged", does that outer bag need to be taken off and "re-bagged"?

If anyone has opinions on these issues I would appreciate your feedback.

Thanks!
Todd Holmberg
Collection Maintenance Technician
Minneapolis Institute of Art

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>
> Excellent idea, Joel!  Will save so me much time and tears.
>
>
> Many thanks.
>
>
> *Hazra C. Medica*
>
>
>
> *Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters Ministry of Trade, Industry,
> Commerce & Consumer Affairs Ministry of Sports, Culture & National
> Festivals St. John's  Antigua W.I.*
>
>
> --
> *From:* pestlist-ow...@museumpests.net 
> on behalf of Voron, Joel 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 08 November 2017 09:09:25
>
> *To:* pestlist@museumpests.net
> *Subject:* Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite
> infestation in the tropics
>
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>
>If you can make a small breech in the wrap without risking the pieces
> you could get the desiccant packets in without the hassle of unwrapping
> them and just tape up the slit.  JTV
>
>
> *Joel Voron   **Colonial Williamsburg Foundation*
>
>   Conservation Dept.
>
>  Integrated Pest Management
>
>   Office 757-220-7080 <(757)%20220-7080>
>
> Cell 757-634-1175 <(757)%20634-1175>
>
>   E-Mail jvo...@cwf.org
>
>
> [image: 1474552137245_IMG_0499.JPG]
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* pestlist-ow...@museumpests.net 
> on behalf of Hazra Medica 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 8, 2017 8:02:39 AM
> *To:* pestlist@museumpests.net
> *Subject:* Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite
> infestation in the tropics
>
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>
> Joel,
>
>
> Thank you for this bit of information.  I'll unwrap and re-wrap with the
> necessary precautions to avoid causing any unnecessary harm.
>
>
> Best regards.
>
>
> *Hazra C. Medica*
>
>
>
> *Advisor/Consultant on Cultural Matters Ministry of Trade, Industry,
> Commerce & Consumer Affairs Ministry of Sports, Culture & National
> Festivals St. John's,  Antigua W.I.*
>
>
> --
> *From:* pestlist-ow...@museumpests.net 
> on behalf of Voron, Joel 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 08 November 2017 06:31:25
> *To:* pestlist@museumpests.net
> *Subject:* Re: [pestlist] Suggestions re solutions for termite
> infestation in the tropics
>
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> If the RH inside the bags is 30% to 50% mold should not be an issue.
> Usually 60% and above is where you run into problems. JTV
>
>
>
>
>
> Joel Voron   Colonial Williamsburg Foundation
>
>   Conservation Dept.
>
>  Integrated Pest Management
>
>   Office 757-220-7080
>
> Cell 757-634-1175
>
>   E-Mail jvo...@cwf.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2017, at 5:25 PM, Hazra Medica  wrote:
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