Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism
Any idea how many of these were sold? :) Dave --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 7:10 PM Dave, I think it was a small trip wire fastened to the pin on a hand grenade concealed inside the phonograph. It was very effective at stopping the thief, but the main problem was the totally destroyed phonograph... :) Curt Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 09:14:47 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism I remember Karl Frick used to advertise something that he said stopped reproducer theft. I always wondered what that was. Dave --- On Mon, 11/8/10, john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net wrote: From: john9...@pacbell.net john9...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:35 AM Neal Maken used to sell what he called a reproducer locking screw to prevent theft. Same thing, I imagine. Good idea! John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 08:28:58 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism For the Edison Standard on display at our local museum, I used a very short 5-40 allen head set screw. This was placed in the carriage and tightened down before the real reproducer set screw was put on. It is not likely a thief would have an allen wrench of that size unless he reads this and comes prepared. I always did this if I placed a machine on consignment, too. Never lost a reproducer. Dave --- On Mon, 11/8/10, jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net wrote: From: jim...@earthlink.net jim...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 11:19 AM Have already adopted this precaution. Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net [Original Message] From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 07-Nov-2010 4:30:28 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism One of the antique malls I've been in does not leave reproducers attached to any of the machines. If you want buy the phono, you have to ask one of the attendants to fetch you the reproducer. Jim On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:29 PM, jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Just returned from The Antique Gallery in Round Rock, Texas where I rent a stall to sell antique records the occasional phonograph. All of the dealer's in antique phonographs have had their machines vandalized by theft of soundboxes, reproducers tone arms. Stolen from my booth were the gun-metal finish Diamond Disc Reproducer from an Edison Baby Console Phonograph, the Diamond B Reproducer from an Edison Fireside Model B Phonograph a Victor No. 2 Soundbox from a Victrola 100. These were shiny all-original (except for gaskets in the No. 2) in excellent condition played extremely well, especially the Diamond B. A few months ago a Victor No. 2 Soundbox (which I replaced) from the Victrola 100 one of its horn door knobs were stolenThe thief did not take two Gold-Plated Diamond Disc Reproducers, one from an A-250 the other from a C-250. These were less shiny that what was stolen. (I understand that a Diamond Disc Reproducer, a Columbia tone arm with S oundbox whatever Soundbox was on a Haywood Wakefield wicker upright made for some other company were stolen from other dealers at The Antique Gallery.) I have a replacement for the Victor No. 2 Soundbox (finish not as nice as on one that was stolen) but need to replace the Diamond B gun-metal Diamond Disc Reproducers. And, to report this to Police I would like to know what such all-original excellent sounding Reproducers should be valued at. The manager of The Antique Gallery does not know when these items were taken but they were still there when I was at the Mall about 6 weeks ago. Have they turned up on E-bay or Craigslist? Let me know if anyone has a good Diamond A Diamond Disc Reproducer for sale. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___
Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism
HI ALL I KNOW EDISON PUT THE SERIAL NUMBER UNDER THE IDELIA NAME PLATE GLAD TO KNOW ITS UNDER ALL -Original Message- From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Nov 8, 2010 9:45 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism Each Edison reproducer has its own serial number. The B D CHK and the small tops shared serial numbers, the R and S shared serial numbers, the O and N shared serial numbers. The N-56 can be found with both RS and ON serial numbers. The DD reproducers all have serial numbers, they started out with just numbers and ran through F. I saw a home on eBay with the serial number drilled off, I wonder if they knew the serial number is also under the ID plate? Edison DD reproducers have letters before the serial numbers some are codes: On the regular reproducer Edison started out with numbers and worked his way up and then started over with A and he got clear up to the letter F. On the regular DD you will note numbers A to F on the standard DD reproducer. With the DD reproducers the letter designations appear to have been changed when he made changes or improvements to the reproducers. Except for in the A series when the when the dome of the cup was made thicker resulting in about a 2 oz. weight increase and the elimination of the inner sleeve these changes are not readily noticeable visually, but the later ones have better sound. NS after the serial number is an Edisonic 7960 NS is an example of this. NS after the serial number beginning with letter is a Converted Edisonic F88690 NS is an example of this. You could trade in a regular reproducer with $6.75 and save $12.75 on an Edisonic that normally cost $19.50; Edison then modified the head with a larger limit loop and installed the heavy weight and thicker diaphragm on it. The standard diaphragm varies between .009 and .011; the Edisonic is more consistent around .0125. The cheap yellow notebook paper is .003, common white paper is .005. LG is long play LonG EM is one with Duncan stop Electric Model LD is the Dance Loud Dance NS stands for New Standard. Each phonograph and reproducer had a serial number, when the model O came out it was two days wages and Edison was serious about keeping track and control of his products mainly to protect his patents. With regards to DD serial numbers, 947, a copper oxidized is the earliest serial number I have seen, F80885 in the gun metal or antique finish is the latest and it was converted to an Edisonic so the serial number is F80885 NS. I have seen three Dance reproducers that were converted to the New Standard they have serial numbers like LD 9838 NS, LD 9476 NS, and did not have the small spring or the cross bar it was connected to above the reproducer’s cup. I have seen two with the Duncan stop that have been converted with serial numbers like EM 8497 NS. Do you have the Serial numbers or some other identifying marks on those items that were stolen. So if they show up on Craigslist or Ebay, we can trap those the sleazy Crooks that made off with the Reproducers ?? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an Edison Fireside. As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the carriage. It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling from my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose. This allows the rubber coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a more uniform carriage pressure. But this original setup was not satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring to suspend the horn from the crane. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an Edison Fireside. As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the carriage. It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling from my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose. This allows the rubber coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a more uniform carriage pressure. But this original setup was not satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring to suspend the horn from the crane. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
Is it certain that there was never a compression spring fitted over the threaded post between the crane and capture nut that would have allowed the weight of the horn to float upon the reproducer and carriage? It would seem that a springless support would be a rather obvious design flaw to such a compulsive over-engineer as Edison. A loose spring could easily be lost and thus not evident in surviving examples. Are there any original parts sheets for this type of horn support? From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an Edison Fireside. As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the carriage. It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling from my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose. This allows the rubber coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a more uniform carriage pressure. But this original setup was not satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring to suspend the horn from the crane. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
If you look at the pictures at the link I posted yesterday, you can see there was no way a spring could have been inserted between the suspension and the capture nut. The capture nut is molded as part of the suspension bolt. John Robles --- On Tue, 11/9/10, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote: From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:11 AM Is it certain that there was never a compression spring fitted over the threaded post between the crane and capture nut that would have allowed the weight of the horn to float upon the reproducer and carriage? It would seem that a springless support would be a rather obvious design flaw to such a compulsive over-engineer as Edison. A loose spring could easily be lost and thus not evident in surviving examples. Are there any original parts sheets for this type of horn support? From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an Edison Fireside. As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the carriage. It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling from my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose. This allows the rubber coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a more uniform carriage pressure. But this original setup was not satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring to suspend the horn from the crane. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
Sorry John. All I have is my phone right now and can't see the pics for some reason. Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:42:09 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring If you look at the pictures at the link I posted yesterday, you can see there was no way a spring could have been inserted between the suspension and the capture nut. The capture nut is molded as part of the suspension bolt. John Robles --- On Tue, 11/9/10, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote: From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:11 AM Is it certain that there was never a compression spring fitted over the threaded post between the crane and capture nut that would have allowed the weight of the horn to float upon the reproducer and carriage? It would seem that a springless support would be a rather obvious design flaw to such a compulsive over-engineer as Edison. A loose spring could easily be lost and thus not evident in surviving examples. Are there any original parts sheets for this type of horn support? From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an Edison Fireside. As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the carriage. It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling from my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose. This allows the rubber coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a more uniform carriage pressure. But this original setup was not satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring to suspend the horn from the crane. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
I can send it to you later if you'd like to see it. John Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 10:05:05 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Sorry John. All I have is my phone right now and can't see the pics for some reason. Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:42:09 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring If you look at the pictures at the link I posted yesterday, you can see there was no way a spring could have been inserted between the suspension and the capture nut. The capture nut is molded as part of the suspension bolt. John Robles --- On Tue, 11/9/10, John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com wrote: From: John Maeder appywan...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 6:11 AM Is it certain that there was never a compression spring fitted over the threaded post between the crane and capture nut that would have allowed the weight of the horn to float upon the reproducer and carriage? It would seem that a springless support would be a rather obvious design flaw to such a compulsive over-engineer as Edison. A loose spring could easily be lost and thus not evident in surviving examples. Are there any original parts sheets for this type of horn support? From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 08:47:35 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an Edison Fireside. As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the carriage. It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling from my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose. This allows the rubber coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a more uniform carriage pressure. But this original setup was not satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring to suspend the horn from the crane. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
what do tou mein by no spring,that not new product,your suppose to sell it complete,and what is the price you never told me your price i am having trouble to get the price out of you people PS.and dose gramophomes is not miniature,and before shipping any thing i whant to be clear about everyting the price the shipping price and the description of any items is that clear,your shipping nothing before my autorisation is that clear. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring People I know have one and it lifts up the reproducer one the one end of the record, on the other is it way too heavy on a fireside. My idea is to convert it to the new style. Thanks for the reply, I never gave this any thought until they had the problem. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:36 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I would not think that they would track well, without the 'give' of the spring. The rigid bolt connection seems as if it would be very stiff. For those who are unfamiliar with this early horn, I have posted a picture of the horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/ John Robles --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:08 PM Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
WTF is that all about??? John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:51:17 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring what do tou mein by no spring,that not new product,your suppose to sell it complete,and what is the price you never told me your price i am having trouble to get the price out of you people PS.and dose gramophomes is not miniature,and before shipping any thing i whant to be clear about everyting the price the shipping price and the description of any items is that clear,your shipping nothing before my autorisation is that clear. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring People I know have one and it lifts up the reproducer one the one end of the record, on the other is it way too heavy on a fireside. My idea is to convert it to the new style. Thanks for the reply, I never gave this any thought until they had the problem. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:36 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I would not think that they would track well, without the 'give' of the spring. The rigid bolt connection seems as if it would be very stiff. For those who are unfamiliar with this early horn, I have posted a picture of the horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/ John Robles --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:08 PM Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
Thanks to all for the wonderful help and information. Steve From: gbogan...@charter.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:30:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an Edison Fireside. As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the carriage. It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling from my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose. This allows the rubber coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a more uniform carriage pressure. But this original setup was not satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring to suspend the horn from the crane. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
That's pretty much my experience too. Can't tell you how long I fudged with the rubber coupler to get it to play a full record! Pretty interesting setup, none the less. Loran On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Greg Bogantz gbogan...@charter.net wrote: I have an early 10 panel cygnet horn and springless crane on an Edison Fireside. As you surmise, the system doesn't work very well as the force placed on the carriage by the horn varies with the position of the carriage. It happens to work on my particular example because the rubber coupling from my reproducer to the horn is old and somewhat loose. This allows the rubber coupler to move vertically a bit as the carriage moves which results in a more uniform carriage pressure. But this original setup was not satisfactory, I'm sure, and that's why the later versions use the spring to suspend the horn from the crane. Greg Bogantz ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
Folks, Again, This is what is required to make it work and what was originally supplied with the early style Edison Cygnet horn cranes. You dont need the spring as long as you have the older style crane. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORN-CONNECTOR-EDISON-COLUMBIA-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-/320611493258?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4aa5ef258a Steve On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:57 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: WTF is that all about??? John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:51:17 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring what do tou mein by no spring,that not new product,your suppose to sell it complete,and what is the price you never told me your price i am having trouble to get the price out of you people PS.and dose gramophomes is not miniature,and before shipping any thing i whant to be clear about everyting the price the shipping price and the description of any items is that clear,your shipping nothing before my autorisation is that clear. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring People I know have one and it lifts up the reproducer one the one end of the record, on the other is it way too heavy on a fireside. My idea is to convert it to the new style. Thanks for the reply, I never gave this any thought until they had the problem. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:36 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I would not think that they would track well, without the 'give' of the spring. The rigid bolt connection seems as if it would be very stiff. For those who are unfamiliar with this early horn, I have posted a picture of the horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/ John Robles --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:08 PM Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
hello,i made up my mind now that evry it clear,i guest i wont buy any of your products,PS.dont send me any of dose gramophones i whont accept any of them so every that is clear for you,forget about evrey thing once again i dont whant to order any of your product. From: ander...@tampabay.rr.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:07:27 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Folks, Again, This is what is required to make it work and what was originally supplied with the early style Edison Cygnet horn cranes. You dont need the spring as long as you have the older style crane. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORN-CONNECTOR-EDISON-COLUMBIA-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-/320611493258?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4aa5ef258a Steve On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:57 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: WTF is that all about??? John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:51:17 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring what do tou mein by no spring,that not new product,your suppose to sell it complete,and what is the price you never told me your price i am having trouble to get the price out of you people PS.and dose gramophomes is not miniature,and before shipping any thing i whant to be clear about everyting the price the shipping price and the description of any items is that clear,your shipping nothing before my autorisation is that clear. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring People I know have one and it lifts up the reproducer one the one end of the record, on the other is it way too heavy on a fireside. My idea is to convert it to the new style. Thanks for the reply, I never gave this any thought until they had the problem. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:36 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I would not think that they would track well, without the 'give' of the spring. The rigid bolt connection seems as if it would be very stiff. For those who are unfamiliar with this early horn, I have posted a picture of the horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/ John Robles --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:08 PM Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
cue Rod Serling:Letters from the edge of ... the Twilight Zhone ! - Original Message - From: john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Jean-Charles- Who are you trying to communicate with??? If you have a problem with a seller on this board you need to take it up with them privately and off the public list. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:42:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring hello,i made up my mind now that evry it clear,i guest i wont buy any of your products,PS.dont send me any of dose gramophones i whont accept any of them so every that is clear for you,forget about evrey thing once again i dont whant to order any of your product. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
i told you people whaht i had to tell you ,now dont get smart,what is my bunesse is not yours,and be calm AND I DONT WHANT ANY OF YOUR PRODUCT. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:01:54 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Jean-Charles- Who are you trying to communicate with??? If you have a problem with a seller on this board you need to take it up with them privately and off the public list. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:42:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring hello,i made up my mind now that evry it clear,i guest i wont buy any of your products,PS.dont send me any of dose gramophones i whont accept any of them so every that is clear for you,forget about evrey thing once again i dont whant to order any of your product. From: ander...@tampabay.rr.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:07:27 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Folks, Again, This is what is required to make it work and what was originally supplied with the early style Edison Cygnet horn cranes. You dont need the spring as long as you have the older style crane. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORN-CONNECTOR-EDISON-COLUMBIA-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-/320611493258?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4aa5ef258a Steve On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:57 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: WTF is that all about??? John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:51:17 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring what do tou mein by no spring,that not new product,your suppose to sell it complete,and what is the price you never told me your price i am having trouble to get the price out of you people PS.and dose gramophomes is not miniature,and before shipping any thing i whant to be clear about everyting the price the shipping price and the description of any items is that clear,your shipping nothing before my autorisation is that clear. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring People I know have one and it lifts up the reproducer one the one end of the record, on the other is it way too heavy on a fireside. My idea is to convert it to the new style. Thanks for the reply, I never gave this any thought until they had the problem. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:36 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I would not think that they would track well, without the 'give' of the spring. The rigid bolt connection seems as if it would be very stiff. For those who are unfamiliar with this early horn, I have posted a picture of the horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/ John Robles --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:08 PM Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
From the wording, it looks like someone in Nigeria has hacked his email. From the Desk of Kat Hall Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) Review Coordinator Author Liaison www.champagnebooks.com www.carnalpassions.com www.thewritersvineyard.com -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:39 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring i told you people whaht i had to tell you ,now dont get smart,what is my bunesse is not yours,and be calm AND I DONT WHANT ANY OF YOUR PRODUCT. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:01:54 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Jean-Charles- Who are you trying to communicate with??? If you have a problem with a seller on this board you need to take it up with them privately and off the public list. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:42:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring hello,i made up my mind now that evry it clear,i guest i wont buy any of your products,PS.dont send me any of dose gramophones i whont accept any of them so every that is clear for you,forget about evrey thing once again i dont whant to order any of your product. From: ander...@tampabay.rr.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:07:27 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Folks, Again, This is what is required to make it work and what was originally supplied with the early style Edison Cygnet horn cranes. You dont need the spring as long as you have the older style crane. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORN-CONNECTOR-EDISON-COLUMBIA-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-/320611493258?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4aa5ef258a Steve On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:57 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: WTF is that all about??? John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:51:17 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring what do tou mein by no spring,that not new product,your suppose to sell it complete,and what is the price you never told me your price i am having trouble to get the price out of you people PS.and dose gramophomes is not miniature,and before shipping any thing i whant to be clear about everyting the price the shipping price and the description of any items is that clear,your shipping nothing before my autorisation is that clear. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring People I know have one and it lifts up the reproducer one the one end of the record, on the other is it way too heavy on a fireside. My idea is to convert it to the new style. Thanks for the reply, I never gave this any thought until they had the problem. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:36 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I would not think that they would track well, without the 'give' of the spring. The rigid bolt connection seems as if it would be very stiff. For those who are unfamiliar with this early horn, I have posted a picture of the horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/ John Robles --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:08 PM Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
I'm actually loving this. Rant on, Johnny-Chuck! On Nov 9, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com wrote: i told you people whaht i had to tell you ,now dont get smart,what is my bunesse is not yours,and be calm AND I DONT WHANT ANY OF YOUR PRODUCT. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 00:01:54 + Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Jean-Charles- Who are you trying to communicate with??? If you have a problem with a seller on this board you need to take it up with them privately and off the public list. John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 18:42:23 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring hello,i made up my mind now that evry it clear,i guest i wont buy any of your products,PS.dont send me any of dose gramophones i whont accept any of them so every that is clear for you,forget about evrey thing once again i dont whant to order any of your product. From: ander...@tampabay.rr.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 14:07:27 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring Folks, Again, This is what is required to make it work and what was originally supplied with the early style Edison Cygnet horn cranes. You dont need the spring as long as you have the older style crane. http://cgi.ebay.com/HORN-CONNECTOR-EDISON-COLUMBIA-CYLINDER-PHONOGRAPH-/320611493258?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4aa5ef258a Steve On Nov 9, 2010, at 12:57 PM, john9...@pacbell.net wrote: WTF is that all about??? John Robles Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 12:51:17 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring what do tou mein by no spring,that not new product,your suppose to sell it complete,and what is the price you never told me your price i am having trouble to get the price out of you people PS.and dose gramophomes is not miniature,and before shipping any thing i whant to be clear about everyting the price the shipping price and the description of any items is that clear,your shipping nothing before my autorisation is that clear. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 22:14:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring People I know have one and it lifts up the reproducer one the one end of the record, on the other is it way too heavy on a fireside. My idea is to convert it to the new style. Thanks for the reply, I never gave this any thought until they had the problem. Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 19:11:36 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring I would not think that they would track well, without the 'give' of the spring. The rigid bolt connection seems as if it would be very stiff. For those who are unfamiliar with this early horn, I have posted a picture of the horn and crane and the suspension bolt at this link: http://s197.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/john9ten/Early%20Cygnet%20Horn/ John Robles --- On Mon, 11/8/10, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com Subject: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring To: phonolist phonol...@yahoogroups.com, Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Monday, November 8, 2010, 6:08 PM Hello, Does anyone have an early cygnet horn without the spring? How do these work without the coil spring? I have seen them but it does not look like a workable system to me. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list
Re: [Phono-L] Early cygnet horn without the spring
Jean-Charles, Please be civil. Nobody is trying to sell you anything. If you do not wish to receive emails from Phono-L, I will be happy to unsubscribe you. Best, Loran On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Jean-Charles Leblanc jeancharle...@hotmail.com wrote: i told you people whaht i had to tell you ,now dont get smart,what is my bunesse is not yours,and be calm AND I DONT WHANT ANY OF YOUR PRODUCT. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
