[Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS
HI IS ANYONE FRAMILIAR WITH BLACK PATTI RECORDS AND THE RELATIVE VALUE THANKS ZONO ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS
Yes, they are very common and not valuable at all. Please send to me. Ok, just kidding. Black Patti was pressed by Starr Piano (Gennett) for Chicago Record Company, which was started by Mayo Williams. It was a race record label. It only existed for about 6 months in 1927 and had only 54 releases. Quantities were small so the records are fairly rare and valuable. Glenn From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 5:22:35 AM Subject: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS HI IS ANYONE FRAMILIAR WITH BLACK PATTI RECORDS AND THE RELATIVE VALUE THANKS ZONO ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS
These recorded are valuable espeically the race recordings. There were some common of the day recordings recorded on the Black Patti, such as Dalhart, that are of lesser value than the race records. A few years back one of the 78RPM journals did a story on all the Black Patti records. -Original Message- From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 6:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS Yes, they are very common and not valuable at all. Please send to me. Ok, just kidding. Black Patti was pressed by Starr Piano (Gennett) for Chicago ecord Company, which was started by Mayo Williams. It was a race record abel. It only existed for about 6 months in 1927 and had only 54 releases. uantities were small so the records are fairly rare and valuable. lenn rom: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com o: phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Fri, February 25, 2011 5:22:35 AM ubject: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS HI S ANYONE FRAMILIAR WITH BLACK PATTI RECORDS AND THE RELATIVE VALUE HANKS ONO __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I've been looking for on over 20 years. I have many scarce records and labels, from 2 Decca's to a 7' paper label American Vitaphone. No BP tho'. Mike On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:39 AM, phonofo...@aol.com wrote: These recorded are valuable espeically the race recordings. There were some common of the day recordings recorded on the Black Patti, such as Dalhart, that are of lesser value than the race records. A few years back one of the 78RPM journals did a story on all the Black Patti records. -Original Message- From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 6:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS Yes, they are very common and not valuable at all. Please send to me. Ok, just kidding. Black Patti was pressed by Starr Piano (Gennett) for Chicago ecord Company, which was started by Mayo Williams. It was a race record abel. It only existed for about 6 months in 1927 and had only 54 releases. uantities were small so the records are fairly rare and valuable. lenn rom: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com o: phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Fri, February 25, 2011 5:22:35 AM ubject: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS HI S ANYONE FRAMILIAR WITH BLACK PATTI RECORDS AND THE RELATIVE VALUE HANKS ONO __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Black Patti record
Mike, Didn't we find a Black Patti record in Corvallis at a garage sale on our way to a anniversary party for Dottie Ira? Jerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] victrola number 4 a reproducer
on another note anyone know much about this reproducer other than it came out late 20s ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti record
Nope. I wish tho' I'm a big skunk and would have grabbed it right out of your hand if one was there. I think back then I could out run you. There was a Black Swan and some Paramounts. Mike On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 2:55 PM, DeeDee Blais deedeebl...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, Didn't we find a Black Patti record in Corvallis at a garage sale on our way to a anniversary party for Dottie Ira? Jerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti record
well if you don't want it send it to florida zono In a message dated 2/25/2011 6:01:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, deedeebl...@yahoo.com writes: Mike, Didn't we find a Black Patti record in Corvallis at a garage sale on our way to a anniversary party for Dottie Ira? Jerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] victrola number 4 a reproducer
I think the needle bars a kind of fragile and break easily. Dave --- On Fri, 2/25/11, zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] victrola number 4 a reproducer To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 7:17 PM on another note anyone know much about this reproducer other than it came out late 20s ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Let us not forget....
I would be interested in any information on the Let Us Not Forget records--both Diamond Disc and cylinder. I recently picked up a nice Blue Amberol long version with the Star Spangled Banner-- and have two DD's. Are there different 'takes' or pressings of these records? When was the speech actually recorded? Both my DD's are etched, but did it also come in a paper label version? Was there a special sleeve to go along with it? On the cylinder, what band is playing the National Anthem? and again, were there different versions? I know someone has researched this-- I'd love to know. Thanks- Brad ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] victrola number 4 a reproducer
Came with some suitcase models and the VV 1-70 tabletop, 1926-ish. Pot metal. Loran On Feb 25, 2011, at 4:17 PM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: on another note anyone know much about this reproducer other than it came out late 20s ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti record
I have a BP and two Black Swans, but I'm getting ready to move and I don't know exactly where they are at the moment! They sound like pretty much any Gennett race record. It's that the owner of the record label was African-American, I think, that makes them a bigger deal than other race records. Robert ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] victrola number 4 a reproducer
The #4 came out in, I believe, 1925 when Orthophonics were introduced. The 4-A is pot metal. The 4 is not and they're not too common. I picked up a 1-70 last fall with a really nice 4-A on it that wasn't falling apart. Be careful, I've had them crumble in my hands doing rebuilds. They sound really great if you can get them apart without them falling apart. You need to use a slightly cut down Grafonola gasket on one side and a regular white gasket on the other to get the best sound. It provides the perfect seal. Ebay seller soundgen was selling replacement gaskets that are super, but they seem to be unavailable these days. Sean On Feb 25, 2011, at 7:26 PM, David Dazer wrote: I think the needle bars a kind of fragile and break easily. Dave --- On Fri, 2/25/11, zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: From: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com Subject: [Phono-L] victrola number 4 a reproducer To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 7:17 PM on another note anyone know much about this reproducer other than it came out late 20s ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS
my bp record is the one the minister giving a sermon i wish it was the rarer blues one In a message dated 2/25/2011 11:45:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, smst...@gmail.com writes: I've been looking for on over 20 years. I have many scarce records and labels, from 2 Decca's to a 7' paper label American Vitaphone. No BP tho'. Mike On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 6:39 AM, phonofo...@aol.com wrote: These recorded are valuable espeically the race recordings. There were some common of the day recordings recorded on the Black Patti, such as Dalhart, that are of lesser value than the race records. A few years back one of the 78RPM journals did a story on all the Black Patti records. -Original Message- From: Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 6:46 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS Yes, they are very common and not valuable at all. Please send to me. Ok, just kidding. Black Patti was pressed by Starr Piano (Gennett) for Chicago ecord Company, which was started by Mayo Williams. It was a race record abel. It only existed for about 6 months in 1927 and had only 54 releases. uantities were small so the records are fairly rare and valuable. lenn rom: zonophone2...@aol.com zonophone2...@aol.com o: phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Fri, February 25, 2011 5:22:35 AM ubject: [Phono-L] BLACK PATTI RECORDS HI S ANYONE FRAMILIAR WITH BLACK PATTI RECORDS AND THE RELATIVE VALUE HANKS ONO __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget....
Those are great questions -- I'd love to know as well. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: out...@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:54:46 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Let us not forget I would be interested in any information on the Let Us Not Forget records--both Diamond Disc and cylinder. I recently picked up a nice Blue Amberol long version with the Star Spangled Banner-- and have two DD's. Are there different 'takes' or pressings of these records? When was the speech actually recorded? Both my DD's are etched, but did it also come in a paper label version? Was there a special sleeve to go along with it? On the cylinder, what band is playing the National Anthem? and again, were there different versions? I know someone has researched this-- I'd love to know. Thanks- Brad ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget....
There are definitely 2 'takes' issued: Edison says This is, uh, Edison speaking.. on Take A, and This is Edison speaking... on Take B. . The usual Edison studio band (New York Military) recorded the SSB at least twice on Disc, so one of those must have been used to dub the cylinder. Recorded Dec 30, 1918 in NYC. I was thinking that West Orange would've been easier for Edison, but perhaps the only Disc recorders were in the NYC studio, the West Orange experimental recordings (with the huge horns) being a few years in the future. - Original Message - From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget Those are great questions -- I'd love to know as well. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: out...@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:54:46 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Let us not forget I would be interested in any information on the Let Us Not Forget records--both Diamond Disc and cylinder. I recently picked up a nice Blue Amberol long version with the Star Spangled Banner-- and have two DD's. Are there different 'takes' or pressings of these records? When was the speech actually recorded? Both my DD's are etched, but did it also come in a paper label version? Was there a special sleeve to go along with it? On the cylinder, what band is playing the National Anthem? and again, were there different versions? I know someone has researched this-- I'd love to know. Thanks- Brad ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget....
Hi Brad, The first cylinders that came out of Let Us Not Forget did not have the music at the end. Essentially it is a 4 minute blue amberol with about a 2 minute speech on it. The later released cylinders have the additional music track added. This is actually the more desirable of the cylinders. There are at least a couple of takes. One you can hear a bump either at the beginning or at the end (I think it was the beginning) where either Edison or his assistant hit the recording horn. Also, I think on that same version, you can hear one of the recorders say cut at the end of the recording. These are the intersting variations that I know of. The cylinders were dubbed from diamond disc, but I haven't listened to my different diamond discs to hear the differences...I have just done it with the cylinder copies I have owned over the years. There was a special sleeve that came out with the Diamond Disc. I know that the first released diamond discs were etched. But you could still get that record later in the 1920's, and so could have a white label diamond disc. I have had 3 copies of Let Us Not Forget on diamond disc, and all 3 were etched. I wish I could find a white label copy, as the surface noise on these later diamond discs is so much more minimal. If you have Charles Gregory's wonderful set of books on diamond discs, check out volume 1, page 308 and 309 for a copy of the sleeve. Happy collecting. Mike Sorter, Riverside, CA -Original Message- From: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com To: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget hose are great questions -- I'd love to know as well. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: out...@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:54:46 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Let us not forget I would be interested in any information on the Let Us Not Forget ecords--both Diamond Disc and cylinder. I recently picked up a nice Blue mberol long version with the Star Spangled Banner-- and have two DD's. Are there different 'takes' or pressings of these records? When was the peech actually recorded? Both my DD's are etched, but did it also come in a paper label version? Was here a special sleeve to go along with it? On the cylinder, what band is playing the National Anthem? and again, were here different versions? I know someone has researched this-- I'd love to know. Thanks- Brad ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Hi Mike- Thanks! That is great information-- Do you know the actual date it was recorded? One of my diamond disc versions is, I think, historically significant. I purchased it off ebay a few years ago. The listing said it was 'in a box with papers from the Edison Institute'. Well... The box is a black box, about 1/2 thick. Inside there is a circular cut out area that cradles the record. On the edge of the box, printed in gold letters, it says An Address by - - - Thomas A. Edison. But what is really cool-- the letters chronicle an individual's efforts to obtain a copy of Let Us Not Forget beginning in 1936. He writes the Edison Site and receives a reply giving him names of individuals who have offered to sell copies to the site--He also, according to a later letter, wrote to Francis Jehl at the Edison Institute in Dearborn. Then there are letters of correspondence with the two individuals about selling their copies-- One offers him the record for $500-- and states that in years to come it should be worth $1,000 or more. The other letter is from a woman who offers him the record for $25.(This is 1936!) Of course, he bought the record from her (my record)-- But even more astounding is several correspondences he has with Francis Jehl-- in early 1938. As Jehl had requested in an early letter, the guy informs Jehl that he has finally obtained a copy of the record. Then, the gentleman and Jehl talk about Jehl's desire to once again hear the record. They talk about the need to have the correct phonograph to play it on (which apparently Jehl didn't have in Dearborn--hard to believe) and it culminates in Jehl confirming that he will make the trip from the Edison Institute in Dearborn to Flint, MI on Saturday afternoon, May 21, 1938 to listen to the record. I think it is a logical assumption that J ehl may have held this particular record in his hands before it was played for him. How cool is that!!?? I'm in the process of organizing all the correspondence in a notebook, so they don't deteriorate. Brad -Original Message- From: mdsorter mdsor...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:25 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget i Brad, The first cylinders that came out of Let Us Not Forget did not have the music at he end. Essentially it is a 4 minute blue amberol with about a 2 minute speech n it. The later released cylinders have the additional music track added. his is actually the more desirable of the cylinders. There are at least a ouple of takes. One you can hear a bump either at the beginning or at the nd (I think it was the beginning) where either Edison or his assistant hit the ecording horn. Also, I think on that same version, you can hear one of the ecorders say cut at the end of the recording. These are the intersting ariations that I know of. The cylinders were dubbed from diamond disc, but I aven't listened to my different diamond discs to hear the differences...I have ust done it with the cylinder copies I have owned over the years. There was a pecial sleeve that came out with the Diamond Disc. I know that the first eleased diamond discs were etched. But you could still get that record later in the 1920's, and so could have a white label iamond disc. I have had 3 copies of Let Us Not Forget on diamond disc, and all were etched. I wish I could find a white label copy, as the surface noise on hese later diamond discs is so much more minimal. If you have Charles regory's wonderful set of books on diamond discs, check out volume 1, page 308 nd 309 for a copy of the sleeve. Happy collecting. Mike Sorter, Riverside, CA Original Message- rom: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com o: Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 6:17 pm ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget hose are great questions -- I'd love to know as well. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: out...@aol.com Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:54:46 -0500 Subject: [Phono-L] Let us not forget I would be interested in any information on the Let Us Not Forget cords--both Diamond Disc and cylinder. I recently picked up a nice Blue berol long version with the Star Spangled Banner-- and have two DD's. Are there different 'takes' or pressings of these records? When was the eech actually recorded? Both my DD's are etched, but did it also come in a paper label version? Was ere a special sleeve to go along with it? On the cylinder, what band is playing the National Anthem? and again, were ere different versions? I know someone has researched this-- I'd love to know. Thanks- Brad ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _ ono-L mailing list tp://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Black Patti record
well if you don't want it send it to florida zono --- Better be a wee bit more specific than that, Zono. ;-) Dennis (in Florida) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget....
This Let Us Not Forget diamond disc and correspondence is really neat! Sounds like you have a little treasure on your hands! Francis Jehl was high up in the Edison company when Edison was alive, I believewho here on the list can recall? It would be neat to see a picture of the box with record and letters if there is any way you could post one.I noticed that someone else on the list gave the recording date, and talked about the different takes. Now I recall the Edisonummm...speaking line. Nice find! Mike -Original Message- From: Brad abell out...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget i Mike- Thanks! That is great information-- Do you know the actual date it as recorded? One of my diamond disc versions is, I think, historically significant. I urchased it off ebay a few years ago. The listing said it was 'in a box with apers from the Edison Institute'. Well... The box is a black box, about 1/2 hick. Inside there is a circular cut out area that cradles the record. On the dge of the box, printed in gold letters, it says An Address by - - - Thomas A. dison. But what is really cool-- the letters chronicle an individual's efforts to btain a copy of Let Us Not Forget beginning in 1936. He writes the Edison Site nd receives a reply giving him names of individuals who have offered to sell opies to the site--He also, according to a later letter, wrote to Francis Jehl t the Edison Institute in Dearborn. Then there are letters of correspondence with the two individuals about selling heir copies-- One offers him the record for $500-- and states that in years to ome it should be worth $1,000 or more. The other letter is from a woman who ffers him the record for $25.(This is 1936!) Of course, he bought the record rom her (my record)-- But even more astounding is several correspondences he as with Francis Jehl-- in early 1938. As Jehl had requested in an early etter, the guy informs Jehl that he has finally obtained a copy of the record. hen, the gentleman and Jehl talk about Jehl's desire to once again hear the ecord. They talk about the need to have the correct phonograph to play it on which apparently Jehl didn't have in Dearborn--hard to believe) and it ulminates in Jehl confirming that he will make the trip from the Edison nstitute in Dearborn to Flint, MI on Saturday afternoon, May 21, 1938 to listen o the record. I think it is a logical assumption that J ehl may have held this particular record in his hands before it was played for im. How cool is that!!?? I'm in the process of organizing all the orrespondence in a notebook, so they don't deteriorate. Brad -Original Message- rom: mdsorter mdsor...@aol.com o: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 10:25 pm ubject: Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget i Brad, he first cylinders that came out of Let Us Not Forget did not have the music at he end. Essentially it is a 4 minute blue amberol with about a 2 minute speech it. The later released cylinders have the additional music track added. is is actually the more desirable of the cylinders. There are at least a uple of takes. One you can hear a bump either at the beginning or at the d (I think it was the beginning) where either Edison or his assistant hit the cording horn. Also, I think on that same version, you can hear one of the corders say cut at the end of the recording. These are the intersting riations that I know of. The cylinders were dubbed from diamond disc, but I ven't listened to my different diamond discs to hear the differences...I have st done it with the cylinder copies I have owned over the years. There was a ecial sleeve that came out with the Diamond Disc. I know that the first leased diamond discs were etched. But you could till get that record later in the 1920's, and so could have a white label amond disc. I have had 3 copies of Let Us Not Forget on diamond disc, and all were etched. I wish I could find a white label copy, as the surface noise on ese later diamond discs is so much more minimal. If you have Charles egory's wonderful set of books on diamond discs, check out volume 1, page 308 d 309 for a copy of the sleeve. appy collecting. ike Sorter, Riverside, CA Original Message- om: Robert Wright esrobe...@hotmail.com : Phono L phono-l@oldcrank.org nt: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 6:17 pm bject: Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget hose are great questions -- I'd love to know as well. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org rom: out...@aol.com ate: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 19:54:46 -0500 ubject: [Phono-L] Let us not forget would be interested in any information on the Let Us Not Forget ords--both Diamond Disc and cylinder. I recently picked up a nice Blue erol long version with the Star Spangled Banner-- and have two DD's. re there different 'takes' or pressings of these records? When was the ech
Re: [Phono-L] Let us not forget....
There's a list of DD records in excel spreadsheet at the following link. http://www.truesoundtransfers.de/disco.htm You can search the document for different version of Star Spangled Banner. Glenn From: Brad abell out...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011 7:54:46 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Let us not forget I would be interested in any information on the Let Us Not Forget records--both Diamond Disc and cylinder. I recently picked up a nice Blue Amberol long version with the Star Spangled Banner-- and have two DD's. Are there different 'takes' or pressings of these records? When was the speech actually recorded? Both my DD's are etched, but did it also come in a paper label version? Was there a special sleeve to go along with it? On the cylinder, what band is playing the National Anthem? and again, were there different versions? I know someone has researched this-- I'd love to know. Thanks- Brad ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
